Tuscon Shootings - HOAX?
gwynned
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I'll get straight to the point. I don't think the Arizona shootings happened and I'm sure you can guess who might be behind the plot.
Odd things about the shootings and similarities to the MJ Hoax
1. Photoshopped mug shot. Laughner's mug shot is everywhere. Does it look at all like a 22 year old? The two haves of the face don't even match. It doesn't look like any mug shot I've ever seen. He is shown with no hair (hmmmm...) but in the courtroom sketch he is drawn with short hair. For more info, here's a link to an ATS discussion that I found. <!-- m -->http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread649329/pg1<!-- m -->
2. Initial facts are wrong. Sheriff releases his statement about WHY this might have happened but seems to keep getting his facts wrong, the biggest 'mistake' is saying that Giffords had died. Also seems odd in a high profile case for a sheriff to be the spokesperson, but given his name 'Dupnick, I suppose it's to be expected he wouldn't get the facts straight. Here's a bit more on this.
Kelly said she was wondering if it was the right time for Dupnik to be, in her words, "injecting speculative opinion" about the case. He replied that he thought that the issue had to be raised. "Free speech is free speech but it's not without consequences," he said. But Kelly pressed him further. "With respect, sheriff, I know that you're a Democrat and you ran for office as a Democrat, and I just want to press you on that a little. I'm sure some of our viewers are asking themselves why you are putting a political spin on this when they may be asking why you the sheriff aren't just focused on the facts, on uncovering the facts," she said.
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3. No videos or cell phone shots. See if you can find ANY shots of the crime scene that identify the location. All I've seen are emergency vehicles and people carrying stretchers in a parking lot. Could be anywhere. Where are the surveillance cameras? (Oh, I know, just like at the Pentagon at 9-11, they just disappeared).
4. Strange connection to 9-11 with the death of the 9 year old girl. Now this is a tough one. If I am wrong and this girl did die, of course, my heart goes out to her family. In another thread I posted the Dateline interview with her parents the day after the event. There were no tears and the mom smiled a couple of times. Unfortunately, that video is no longer avialable, though you can see that it existed. <!-- m -->http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 6#40994490<!-- m -->
5. Giffords had a Youtube channel and subscribed to two channels. One was Laughners. The subscription has since been removed.
6. Here's a recent interview with the 'hero' who brought down the assassin. Sorry, he doesn't seem credible or like someone who had just risked his life in a mass shooting. He also contradicts his story throughout. Were there two assassins?
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7. Was there a second shooter? (reminiscent of JFK ....Jared LEE Laughner, LEE Harvey Oswald)....There were shots of the guy and then he was immediately released. As was the cab driver who was questioned and immediately released. Who takes a cab to an assassination.
8. Why are we hearing NOTHING about the judge? A federal judge died and we are hearing nothing. Why is the media so sure Giffords was the target and not the judge. He had been under death threats.
9. It was a rally and estimates the crowd was about 24-36 or so. Pretty pathetic. If it was so small, how did the girl even hear about it?
10. Why all the media attention on Laughner. The wildest speculation based on nothing. In fact, it was within hours the media poured out their stories about the still 'alleged' assassin. Did he even do it? He has remained silent except to say that he is Jared Lee Laughner. Is he like Murray?
The reactions I get from people when I suggest this is 'IMPOSSIBLE' 'RIDICULOUS.' It's all over the TV!!!! I'm hoping that after the shock wears off, people will come back and start to question the official story.
We've always speculated as to how Michael might shock the world. Could he have fooled the whole world.....again?
Odd things about the shootings and similarities to the MJ Hoax
1. Photoshopped mug shot. Laughner's mug shot is everywhere. Does it look at all like a 22 year old? The two haves of the face don't even match. It doesn't look like any mug shot I've ever seen. He is shown with no hair (hmmmm...) but in the courtroom sketch he is drawn with short hair. For more info, here's a link to an ATS discussion that I found. <!-- m -->http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread649329/pg1<!-- m -->
2. Initial facts are wrong. Sheriff releases his statement about WHY this might have happened but seems to keep getting his facts wrong, the biggest 'mistake' is saying that Giffords had died. Also seems odd in a high profile case for a sheriff to be the spokesperson, but given his name 'Dupnick, I suppose it's to be expected he wouldn't get the facts straight. Here's a bit more on this.
Kelly said she was wondering if it was the right time for Dupnik to be, in her words, "injecting speculative opinion" about the case. He replied that he thought that the issue had to be raised. "Free speech is free speech but it's not without consequences," he said. But Kelly pressed him further. "With respect, sheriff, I know that you're a Democrat and you ran for office as a Democrat, and I just want to press you on that a little. I'm sure some of our viewers are asking themselves why you are putting a political spin on this when they may be asking why you the sheriff aren't just focused on the facts, on uncovering the facts," she said.
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3. No videos or cell phone shots. See if you can find ANY shots of the crime scene that identify the location. All I've seen are emergency vehicles and people carrying stretchers in a parking lot. Could be anywhere. Where are the surveillance cameras? (Oh, I know, just like at the Pentagon at 9-11, they just disappeared).
4. Strange connection to 9-11 with the death of the 9 year old girl. Now this is a tough one. If I am wrong and this girl did die, of course, my heart goes out to her family. In another thread I posted the Dateline interview with her parents the day after the event. There were no tears and the mom smiled a couple of times. Unfortunately, that video is no longer avialable, though you can see that it existed. <!-- m -->http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 6#40994490<!-- m -->
5. Giffords had a Youtube channel and subscribed to two channels. One was Laughners. The subscription has since been removed.
6. Here's a recent interview with the 'hero' who brought down the assassin. Sorry, he doesn't seem credible or like someone who had just risked his life in a mass shooting. He also contradicts his story throughout. Were there two assassins?
<!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-3GTwal ... r_embedded<!-- m -->
7. Was there a second shooter? (reminiscent of JFK ....Jared LEE Laughner, LEE Harvey Oswald)....There were shots of the guy and then he was immediately released. As was the cab driver who was questioned and immediately released. Who takes a cab to an assassination.
8. Why are we hearing NOTHING about the judge? A federal judge died and we are hearing nothing. Why is the media so sure Giffords was the target and not the judge. He had been under death threats.
9. It was a rally and estimates the crowd was about 24-36 or so. Pretty pathetic. If it was so small, how did the girl even hear about it?
10. Why all the media attention on Laughner. The wildest speculation based on nothing. In fact, it was within hours the media poured out their stories about the still 'alleged' assassin. Did he even do it? He has remained silent except to say that he is Jared Lee Laughner. Is he like Murray?
The reactions I get from people when I suggest this is 'IMPOSSIBLE' 'RIDICULOUS.' It's all over the TV!!!! I'm hoping that after the shock wears off, people will come back and start to question the official story.
We've always speculated as to how Michael might shock the world. Could he have fooled the whole world.....again?
Comments
No - I live in Arizona not far from where this occurred. Believe me, it's no hoax.
With all due respect, I think we need to look at the facts in the case which don't add up. But since you live near there, perhaps you can explain some the anomolies that I outlined.
Doesn't exclude the question about a second sniper and why and by whom the media have been directed the way they are presenting the story.
I tend to come to the conclusion from my observations over the years that the first one "breaking" the news to a news agency is the one who will be followed by copy and paste journalism like a piper - be the story true or false.
The first one to top "being speedy enough" was TMZ by reporting the death before the death was even announced - reporters being faster talking about a story than the story itself.
Being the first to feed the rest is the only way to control to a certain extent which word will be spread.
So we may prepare for a new pattern of "predictive" journalism.
"Conductive" and "addictive" journalism doesn't seem to sufficient in the long run.
Conductive journalism was applied to full extent to the Tucson events.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QqAVFwGwaI
Funeral took place Thursday at St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Church. I assure you this isn't a hoax. Are you implying that this little girl faked her death, and her parents are "in on it"? What would be the point in that? What would a fake shooting in Tucson prove? It's not like the target was a HUGE political figure like Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden. And Tucson isn't really a city with political dominance.
The mugshot is interesting though.
...still don't think it's a hoax.
Again, if I am wrong, my sincere apologies to her family. But I'm not buying it. Oddly, the Judge is being buried at the same church. First we have word that Giffords and Loughner went to the same small synagogue. Now we hear that this girl and the Judge will have services from the same church. How convenient.
Too bad that video of her parents is no longer available.
Has anyone else noticed that Loughner has become the newest MONSTER? He's a satanist, a radical leftist, a 9-11 truther, a mental patient, a loner, etc. Whatever one might conclude from this, the media has provided little in terms of facts and lots of emotional manipulation and conjecture. In the meantime, Loughner remains silent. In the interview with the hero who tackled him, he mad mention that someone said 'you have the wrong guy.'
And then there is the miraculous recovery of Gabby Giffords, even though she was shot at point blank range right through the brain. Doctors operated for 2 hours. Really? Someone pointed out that this is the first and only assasination attempt since JFK where the victim was shot in the head. Is there a message here?
Your response reminds me of the response I still get from people who insist that MJ is dead. People die all the time. But that doesn't prove that MJ is dead anymore than your assertion that deranged people kill proves that the massacre in Tuscon really happened. You are entitled to your beliefs, but I am investigating the facts. And they don't add up.
Well said! My heart goes out to the victim's families.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Well, I don't view everything as a hoax either. If you are a beLIEver, what convinced you that Michael was alive? What concrete evidence would suffice to convince you that the Tuscon shooting was a hoax?
Remembering what happened and remembering those traumatized families surviving those who died on 9/11 is something we owe the victims.
However:
Scratching in not mending wounds and repeating and reinforcing the traumata as something appearing now somewhat "natural" by recalling only the terror (again and again) in the first place and not expressing empathy in the first place is nothing we owe the victims.
This is raising my eyebrows.
When reading about mind programming, this is only as successful as it is constantly repeating the program triggering symbols and traumata.
It's like pressing the "enter" button on a keyboard when wanting an action (or non-action).
This is what we witness in Hollywood movies, TV "reality shows" and emotionally targetting tabloid trash. Too much is being produced to keep the programs and the programmed running as desired.
I agree with Souza. This is a fish - also when taking mass shooting, sick minded lunatics and evil souls into account.
It would appear that I am far from alone in thinking there was no shooting. Very interesting parallels to the MJ hoax as well.
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=761&start=30
http://www.examiner.com/utah-county-libertarian-in-salt-lake-city/glenn-beck-says-that-cars-gov-website-will-track-your-computer#ixzz1EwmKKjOo
http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/glenn-beck-s-week-of-corrections-part-one-video?cid=parsely#parsely
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/glenn-beck/transcript/george-soros-warns-fox-news-dictatorship
Not to forget the Kelly twins:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsn0rAMpFlI
Like the MJ hoax, once you start to look carefully at all the evidence, the hoax is so obvious you wonder how you never saw it. Also like the MJ hoax, there's a lot of humor in it. The photos of Beck and Loughner side by side are hysterical.
The mugshot of Loughner is shopped IMO, be it with or without similarities to Glenn Beck's face.
Add a little shade, a little too much at the wrong area - and then a mugshot must have a white background, mustn't it?
The blog link is more than interesting.
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=761
Your first post! Many people said the same thing when we started investigating the MJ death hoax. They thought we were insulting the family or something. Or are you only interested in trying to derail this particular thread?
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Scroll down and check out some of the short films where he identifies the participants. It didn't happen.