<br />TS/Front's track record is very strong to excellent, which gives me strong confidence. But that we are not understanding the way he means is a very strong possibility. Though he likes to trick us in his words, doesn't mean he is an out and out fake or liar. Just because MJ pranked people he knew sometimes, didn't mean he was generally a liar or hurter of people. TS/Front said not to go just by their words but by the evidence we have accumulated over all this time. Our faith in TS/Front/Back/Michael is resting on a strong foundation of the proofs laid down by our forum in great detail on accessible threads, 3 1/2 years of our intensive labor. Do we discount this as nothing? Now we have some few steps requiring some trust in him, or like going through a dark tunnel for a little bit. But that light will be coming soon. Can we be strong for him? TS has put so much time and effort in all his investments here on this forum. What are we afraid of? Looking like fools (too late for that)? Being left high and dry (too late for that)? We (at least the ones who have been here all this time since the beginning) have really gone too far to go back, and most of us would not just abandon this journey. I know I won't, as long as Souza keeps this forum going. There is a core group that is going to be faithful no matter what. If we truly love Michael, where else is there to go--another forum? Hardly. TS will come through as he said, but we must allow for that trickery of meaning behind his words, or reading between the words/lines. If we believe MJ truly hoaxed his death, we know he's been operating by stealth and incognito for many years, so why would this be any different. He's doing it for LOVE, he doing it for the fans, and he's doing it for the planet. History will be affected--this is no small potatoes. What stuff are we made of? When the going gets tough, the tough get going. And all that talk. Love you guys, and I want to bolster your faith. I truly believe we are on the right track here on this forum, with TS and Front. Let's cheer him (them) on, and support him! We have no idea how ridiculously blessed we really are here! MJ here! Simply magical!! (MJonline) :icon_e_wink:<br /> :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile<br /><br />
<br /><br />Thanks MJonMind. Great Pep talk. I'm here for as long as it takes. No quitting for me. I think you're right. This isn't only for us. It's for the whole world. No small potatoes like you say. That's why I joined the army of love, to help heal the world. So, we can't quit until it's done. <br />
<br /><br />Same here, I agree with you guys. One thing that I am wondering since I am not a native english speaker is the real meaning when he says: "if Michael doesn't BAM by Jan 1st" I think this means that if Michael is to BAM will ONLY be on Jan 1st, 2013, or am I wrong? or in this case the word BY means that is a deadline and won't BAM beyond that date?<br />Please I need help in this guys!!<br />BTW TS explained that BAM means a PHYSICAL---> MICHAEL IN THE FLESH <--- COMEBACK.<br />
<br /><br />I think he means if Michael doesn't BAM before Jan. 1st than it's going to be on Jan. 1st but no later than that.<br />
TouchedbyanAngel,MJonMind,SimPattyK, Wow Great Posts. I love all this. Sim, great connections with pictures. I don't know how you do it. It's interesting how all these prophecies have similarities especially with the number 7. Think about all the sevens in the book of revelation. I think the 7 stars in the Pleiades, Orion, and Jupiter are important. I'll have to look at all this again ! <br /><br />Love You All :bearhug:
<br />Sim, the speed you whip your pictorals up, amazing! Thought-provoking! <br />The Jewish menorah with 9 candles that Paris is lighting, is a tradition of men, which Jesus spoke against, as is Hanukkah. The Biblical candle-stand in Revelation, as Sim showed, has 7 candles with Jesus or Son of Man, as the center one, or standing among 7 candles, pictured both ways.<br />
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;<br />13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.<br />14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;<br />15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.<br />16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the [size=12pt]sun[/size] shineth in his strength.
<br /><br /><br /><br />I like the way you show the Dutch 7 sleeve morphing into the 'Star of David', or 'Solomon's seal' or Jewish star. "As above so below". Like heaven defeats hell. Verse 17-18:<br />
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:<br />18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
<br />Sounds like at the MJ memorial, "I'm alive and I'm here forever." And there's the painting of MJ with the book and key.<br />Also the X shape of the Dutch 7 sleeve, is the Greek letter symbol for Christ, thus Christmas is often shortened to X-mas.<br />http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/xmasabbr.asp<br /><br />Too Short and TS (if MJ) are both African Americans, who I believe are descendants of the true Hebrew Israelites, and are bringing out truths of Scripture. Too Short sings about Judas Maccabiatch and Yom Kippur, which TS does extensive teaching on. TS talks of the Apocryphal book Maccabees telling of Jeremiah hiding the true Ark of the Covenant which Ron Wyatt found. He also talked of the wise of this world not knowing this understanding of the Bible and EOW. Part of the battle for truth may include this aspect of who the true writers of the Bible were, thus who will unseal what has been sealed. TS talks of how things he's said have not been understood completely by the best and wisest. I really believe there is something Special being revealed to us. Perhaps I'm over-blowing it, but this is my hunch.<br /><br />[...]
<br />Thank you for adding so much interesting info @MjonMind! I love reading you! <br />Everything seems to connect in some strange incredible way! :icon_eek:<br /><br /><br />
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<br />TouchedbyanAngel,MJonMind,SimPattyK, Wow Great Posts. I love all this. Sim, great connections with pictures. I don't know how you do it. It's interesting how all these prophecies have similarities especially with the number 7. Think about all the sevens in the book of revelation. I think the 7 stars in the Pleiades, Orion, and Jupiter are important. I'll have to look at all this again ! <br /><br />Love You All :bearhug:
Love back @DWA ; :bearhug:<br />Yep Jupiter too! It explains why both Elvis and Michael were caught in so many photos pointing their Jupiter finger...<br />And then also the RAINBOW connections....
[...]Since December 21st and December 22nd seem to pass by without any significant happening, despite all the CLUES hinting to them as possible BAM dates, I was just thinking... that maybe we could really take into consideration the fact that maybe BAM will happen according to @TS's own deadline: "By January 1st, 2013". <br />Which means somewhere [ "close to midnight" :icon_geek: ] between December 31st and January 1st. We also had some @Front- clues about a possible BAM at New Year's Eve! @Wishingstar and I have discussed it at that time... And I also made this montage below... What do you guys think?
@Sim....yes I remember that crystal ball talk......it always intrigued me......if ever the world was watching something, a New Year's countdown would be a world event....didn't TS mention BAM would be in the California time zone? I do think it's impossible to figure when or how BAM will occur..... [...]
Yesss. Also I think that the Front's clock may be showing the tIME! not the date as we interpreted so far. So instead of December 21st , maybe the clock is really showing us the TIME [hour, minutes] when he BAMs --> 12:21. Which also makes me think about "It's not the END , it's the BEGINNING", meaning: The "END" of his life [911 call - 12:21] meant the BEGINNING of the death hoax and NOW the END of the death hoax on [we can assume] January 1st, 2013 at 12:21 is the new BEGINNING !
Crystal ball in NYC... 12.21am, 1st Jan in NY is 9.21pm [21:21], still 2012, in CALIFORNIA... OMG?
Juke Box, that's a great idea/possibility! YUP YUP :icon_bounce: Maybe you're on to something who knows!<br />Anyway, with a second BAM-date erased from my guESstimate-list, THAT ^^ would be our [my third] and last hope for a BAM, at least any time soon, these days! :bowdown: Because who knows what this hoax [Michael] has in store for us! Maybe all of this is actually meant for us to take us on the highest peak of emotions, only to take us down in the next phase of total disbelief and doubts in a return, only to shake us and totally take us by surprise again and push our spirits high with a BAM that nobody would hope for anymore next year!! :affraid: I believe he planned everything to be like that, all the clues that were meant for a wide range of purposes: inform us, educate us, give us hope, make us laugh or doubt :animal0017: or even mislead us One can never know what to expect next! ANYTHING is [im]possible in Hoaxland, because for Michael "only the sky is the limit!" Oh my! What a roller coaster of emotions we've been through so far! Lots of UPs and DOWNs! Truly a great adventure! Michael you're a BIG naughty, teasing TRICKSTA!! You'd better get yo sexy smart butt back to us as soon as possible or else there won't be any sain hoaxer around :icon_lol: <br /><br /><br />ALSO, BAM or no-BAM, it doesn't mean Michael is dead NOR that TS is a fake informer! <br />I'm not gonna "rewind" all the family validations that we received for both TS and Front! Remember TS even told us that if he's a fake informer , than so are Paris and LaToya! As "tricky" his phrase ( from Aug 17, 2011 ) may sound to some ["you may know that TS is a fake informer"], he then went to say ( in his next post of Aug 29, 2011 ): <br />[size=12pt]TS: I finished my last post with this statement, “I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!” And now I will finish this post with the following statement, “If MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that Paris is a fake informer—and even La Toya, since she verified the pariisjaxn Twitter account more than once.”[/size]<br /><br /><br />Anyway.... whatever happens in the following days, I'll never stop hoping for a BAM, especially because I know that ONE of the MAIN purposes of this hoax is ---> WHAT comes after the BAM !<br /><br />
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[size=12pt]And when bamsday does come—[/size]whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing! But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, [size=12pt]there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE).[/size] <br />And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics : [size=12pt]“What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.”[/size]
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<br /><br />Sim, since you've posted about the crystal ball drop, Front and TS connections, I haven't been able to stop thinking about the NYE countdown at Times Square.<br /><br />It makes so much sense -- New Year's, fireworks, BAM. Just... how's MJ gonna do it? Is he going to perform? Won't the organizers of the new year party know? Is he gonna be registering as an MJ impersonator? Is he gonna appear before or after 12 Midnight EST? <br /><br />I know some of the people here don't like to anticipate or guess what BAM will be like but please bear with me.. I'm brimming full with excitement... Especially with the day approaching...<br /><br /> :icon_bounce:<br /><br />
V was taking over TV station, not the event.<br /><br />These days you don't need to be there in person. <br />Telephone cable or web access via satellite.<br />Hologram. Plug in. Make.believe. Mariah Carey rehearsed it well.<br />
<br />[...]<br />Sim, since you've posted about the crystal ball drop, Front and TS connections, I haven't been able to stop thinking about the NYE countdown at Times Square.<br /><br />It makes so much sense -- New Year's, fireworks, BAM. Just... how's MJ gonna do it? Is he going to perform? Won't the organizers of the new year party know? Is he gonna be registering as an MJ impersonator? Is he gonna appear before or after 12 Midnight EST? <br /><br />I know some of the people here don't like to anticipate or guess what BAM will be like but please bear with me.. I'm brimming full with excitement... Especially with the day approaching...<br /><br /> :icon_bounce:
<br />1. YES ! THAT ^^ is a possible outcome for Michael's BAM! <br /><br />and<br /><br />2. Ever since TS has posted his latest update about Murray's case ( see here ), I can't stop thinking that maybe the BAM could happen in Court, during a LIVE trial where Michael shows up as "exceptional new evidence" / witness.<br /><br />and<br /><br />3. @ellyd: comes up with another possible BAM-scenario: something to do with high TECH, hologram, online BAM, etc...<br />I can envision Michael's BAM doing some V-speech on an important [popular] website or several major websites/networks.<br />But I'd have a problem with a HOLOGRAM! - That wouldn't be a BAM!! nobody would believe he's alive!! They would say it's just like when they brought Elvis to sing with Celine or like with 2PAC during that Coachella festival . So .... I'd prefer the REAL deal , no holograms for a credible BAM! loll
Some thoughts on a showdown.<br />Issue with NYE or any other major "general" festivity is that people will be occupied with themselves.<br />Issue with Doc Murray's trial is that nobody really cares about it - except some fans and TMZ. <br />If MJ would step out proclaiming "I'm alive and it was me all the time and I saved the world" it would end in "ah, right, oumhh, Michael Jackson... so, he did fake his death? what for? exposure of evil? oh really? well, how much did he make when he was "dead"? ah, right." Over.<br />Not taking into account the inevitable instant revival of haters.<br /><br />An "official" major drumbeat can only take place on a general stage which is watched by many - and certainly by those who are relevant. An incisive event would require pinpointed, thorough exposure of those who are responsible for general issues which are of interest for many. Thus, the originators of issues have to take center stage, not MJ. MJ may or may not come out from behind the curtain. Any whatsoever drumbeat must not be aiming MJ's praise anyway. Sometimes private triumph with family and friends is much more satisfactory than blowing the trumpets for everyone. In the end, it's all in God's and not in MJ's name. I still think we'll see some folks pretty naked but that they will have to take off their clothes by themselves, piece by piece. That's far more getting dignity and self-reflection back into focus than any quick robbery by third parties. (Haven't we already seen some public unclothing? Dreamteamers at Carolwood?)<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0_TpI5W00A<br /><br />Don't underestimate our part in making them take their well-ironed, starched suits off.
Now this would be a very cool BAM... Except it's illegal but still would be cool <br /><br /> /><br /> the above link should take you to the right time.. but just in case it's at 6:22 onwards<br /><br />
JukeBox: regarding our discussion on TS deadline and Front's crystal ball .... What do you think?<br />Are this TMZ article and Dontesuesuzzfaithkeeper ] connected or am I imagining things? lol <br /><br /><br />
<br />Some thoughts on a showdown.<br />Issue with NYE or any other major "general" festivity is that people will be occupied with themselves.<br />Issue with Doc Murray's trial is that nobody really cares about it - except some fans and TMZ. <br />If MJ would step out proclaiming "I'm alive and it was me all the time and I saved the world" it would end in "ah, right, oumhh, Michael Jackson... so, he did fake his death? what for? exposure of evil? oh really? well, how much did he make when he was "dead"? ah, right." Over.<br />Not taking into account the inevitable instant revival of haters.<br /><br />An "official" major drumbeat can only take place on a general stage which is watched by many - and certainly by those who are relevant. An incisive event would require pinpointed, thorough exposure of those who are responsible for general issues which are of interest for many. Thus, the originators of issues have to take center stage, not MJ. MJ may or may not come out from behind the curtain. Any whatsoever drumbeat must not be aiming MJ's praise anyway. Sometimes private triumph with family and friends is much more satisfactory than blowing the trumpets for everyone. In the end, it's all in God's and not in MJ's name. I still think we'll see some folks pretty naked but that they will have to take off their clothes by themselves, piece by piece. That's far more getting dignity and self-reflection back into focus than any quick robbery by third parties. (Haven't we already seen some public unclothing? Dreamteamers at Carolwood?)<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0_TpI5W00A<br /><br />Don't underestimate our part in making them take their well-ironed, starched suits off.<br />
<br /><br />Mm.. it's hard to imagine how "the originators of issues" can "take centre stage", without someone hugely influential pointing them out. jmho
JukeBox: regarding our discussion on TS deadline and Front's crystal ball .... What do you think?<br />Are this TMZ article and Dontesuesuzzfaithkeeper ] connected or am I imagining things? lol <br /><br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />@SimPattyK The tweet by Donte seems to be intentional! I do not think it's surprising for TMZ to have news articles on the Ball Drop and Times Square countdown as the event has huge coverage everywhere, but it could be a very subtle clue!<br /><br />Happy new year everyone! ))
@SimPattyK The tweet by Donte seems to be intentional! I do not think it's surprising for TMZ to have news articles on the Ball Drop and Times Square countdown as the event has huge coverage everywhere, but it could be a very subtle clue!
<br />The thing is that Donte had posted the crystal ball - twit almost a month before I brought up the subject in this thread. So IDK but I don't think it was only an intentional reference to our discussions here...<br />And the TMZ article TIMING is interesting... it was posted today (yesterday) about things that happened last year. And that montage showing the image of a crystal ball 4 times, seems blatant, like they wanted us to notice that.<br />But maybe I'm just over-hoaxed right now lolll :icon_lol:<br />
your most welcome sim..glad i seen that :woohoo2:...only 30 more minutes until the ball drops in NYC...happy new year to all.<br />huggs n keep the faith<br />suzz<br /> :bearhug:
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