Judge says its now a murder investigation
DontBelieveTheHype
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I read through it. I dont know what to make of it. Its things like these that make be doubt the hoax. If anyone has anything to reply to differ than do. I wonder how far they can go through the lawsystem with all these investigations if this was not true. Or maybe these papers are false. I dont know.
I read through it. I dont know what to make of it. Its things like these that make be doubt the hoax. If anyone has anything to reply to differ than do. I wonder how far they can go through the lawsystem with all these investigations if this was not true. Or maybe these papers are false. I dont know.
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1) Either MJ is dead OR
2) MJ is made to look dead-to further an investigation to completion.
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If the case has been ruled as manslaughter and even the court papers released, why Murray was free to return to his practice? Is he Defendant in the case or a key witness? What about Klein and other doctors who allegdly gave MJ Propofol and other drugs? Oh yeah, we also saw the pharmacy they've searched, there's a big thread on that!
There were attorneys from TMZ, AP, LA Times, Las Vegas Review attending.
So that press was present at the hearing and that they could afterwards get access to the documents. Obviously the content of the documents were not that spectacular or we would have had an avalanche of "revealed truths" in the tabloids. We did not witness this. So the material was obviously not interesting enough to make a story out of it.
BUT:
The attorneys on top of the document are listed as Mr. Donald J. Campbell and Mr. J. Colby Williams.
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Their office claims to have a reputation in:
commercial litigation, catastrophic personal injury / wrongful death resp. fire & burn cases resp. product liablilty, nightclub and security liability
So what do they have to do with any murder case?
Exactly! The investigator on the case told the woman that rang him (youtube) that an arrest would be made in the new year so Murray is allowed to treat patients until the New Year <!-- s
What a load of horse s**t.
Please bear with me as this is my first post. I've been a lurker on the mjhd forum and now here. Before reading these papers I was at about 50% belief that mj may be alive and did a hoax on purpose, with 25% belief that something just went wrong but he's still alive, and 25% that he is dead.
After reading these papers I am about 75% believing that he is dead. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
#1 - these papers have too much detailed information to be fake
#2 - you can print out fake papers, but to file affadavits and legally open case material can't really be faked
And given the information in the papers about the medications, it leads me to
#3 - the family's reactions to mj's "death."
If these papers and/or reports of him having an addiction or over dependance on medications are true, then how his family is reacting - unemotional - is quite normal. Having dealt with family members suffering with addictions, it's like a long, drawn out death. You try to intervene(as Janet said they did), but ultimately, have no control over the addicts choices. Even if their choices are going to ultimately cause their demise. And when you do lose such a family member, you tend to be more numb and/or angry than grief stricken. You're angry over their choices and how they threw away their gifts, talents, and family's love for some chemicals. And numb because you've been watching this person die for Y.E.A.R.S. It's not a sudden "shock." It's an expected end and sometimes it's almost a relief because at least you know that that person is in a better place(hopefully), and you're no longer waiting for "the call" that tells you that your loved one is gone.
I've gone over and over the "clues" but many seem far reaching by those of us in love with endless hope that he is still alive and we're waiting and wanting to see him alive and happy. I want this too. But I don't believe it to be.
I'll continue to lurk as I'll probably be chased off of here after this post.
I just felt the need to share.
Especially not if we are talking performance art.
You won't be run off...we're all here to figure this out, whether it's good or bad news. Lots of people have doubts, not everyone believes 100% that he is alive. Some days I'm hopeful, other days not so much. But I will be here until there is no doubt in my mind either way. Even if you believe there is a 1% chance this is a hoax, then you're still one of us. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Welcome to the boards, I hope you will continue to post. I try and investigate all parts of this case, conspiracy, murder and hoax. I am here because of the hoax. But you do make a good point.
This is interesting... <!-- m -->http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2009/10 ... d-in-home/<!-- m --> Did you guys know that at the UCLA press conference Jermaine said Dr. Tohme was MJ's personal doctor, not Murray, and that he was at the house with him? This is the first time I've heard that.
After reading these papers I am about 75% believing that he is dead. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
#1 - these papers have too much detailed information to be fake
#2 - you can print out fake papers, but to file affadavits and legally open case material can't really be faked
And given the information in the papers about the medications, it leads me to
#3 - the family's reactions to mj's "death."
If these papers and/or reports of him having an addiction or over dependance on medications are true, then how his family is reacting - unemotional - is quite normal. Having dealt with family members suffering with addictions, it's like a long, drawn out death. You try to intervene(as Janet said they did), but ultimately, have no control over the addicts choices. Even if their choices are going to ultimately cause their demise. And when you do lose such a family member, you tend to be more numb and/or angry than grief stricken. You're angry over their choices and how they threw away their gifts, talents, and family's love for some chemicals. And numb because you've been watching this person die for Y.E.A.R.S. It's not a sudden "shock." It's an expected end and sometimes it's almost a relief because at least you know that that person is in a better place(hopefully), and you're no longer waiting for "the call" that tells you that your loved one is gone.
I've gone over and over the "clues" but many seem far reaching by those of us in love with endless hope that he is still alive and we're waiting and wanting to see him alive and happy. I want this too. But I don't believe it to be.
I'll continue to lurk as I'll probably be chased off of here after this post.
I just felt the need to share.
I think you should continue to post and state your opinion and findings. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
The "problem" with this, is that the title says "Murder Investigation"..and if that is true, then I
believe the family should at least (for Appearance sake!) show more outrage and shock.
I for one, could not believe my eyes when I saw the photos of Jermaine with a Jackson 5 shirt on
a couple of days after Michael's death! What was he trying to say..."remember me?!"
If it turns out to be TRUE that Michael was murdered..then I will truely HATE his family..as they
have done nothing but jet-set around the world for interviews, concerts, ect. and I seriously hope it
back-fires on them.
And while on this subject, it "could" be, that some of Michaels REAL friends did not attend the
funeral because they could not stand the "grandstanding" of some of the family members.
(we did not look enough into this at all)
- murder of MJ
- murder of somebody else (date 25/06/2009)
- murder of somebody else (other date)
- murder as performance art (a fake of a fake is no crime)
Heads up please.
Does anybody know whether Tenderoni is with us ? He knew quite a bit about jurisdiction.
Maybe somebody could contact Tenderoni please? Txs.
I don't like how most of his family, ok, JERMAINE(wait, add Joe too) is acting either.
It's evident that Michael was surrounded by opportunists who didn't give a flying fig about his well being.
Even some members of his own family seem this way which is really sad. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
And as for his family showing more outrage and shock- if he had a problem with medications and surrounded himself with leeches who would get them for him, then there's really no shock there that he would end up dead. It was just a matter of time. When you're dealing with people who have addictions, one thing you learn is that they escalate. They only grow and get worse. And Michael was a man with endless amounts of money and resources to get whatever he wanted... It's really a miracle that there weren't a bunch of overdose scares where he ended up in the hospital from taking too much of something by accident.
And how can you be outraged when these are the people that Michael may have chosen to surround himself with so that he could get the medications that he wanted? Again, the main emotions would probably be: anger, frustration, and numbness. He had endless resources for help if he did have a problem.
We're looking at this from a fan's point of view instead of a family member.
They were the ones who got to see ALL of his sides - good and bad.
They were the ones who got to worry endlessly about their son/brother being surrounded by horrible people because they give him what he wants.
They were the ones who got to stage futile interventions while watching their loved one deteriorate and slowly edge closer to their demise by their own hands.
We got to appeciate what he had to offer the world with his talent and generosity.
Did/do we REALLY know him?????
No.
We can feel like we did/do, but we didn't/don't.
As far as it being someone else who died, I guess that's possible. But unless they legally changed their name to "Michael Joseph Jackson" then that person is not who's murder is being investigated...
I agree that the ambulance photo looks wrong, years old. Which was one of my main reasons for doubting his death.
But then again, I think there's a lot more going on than what we're being allowed to see. There may be other reasons why we've never seen a real pic of him in the ambulance. And why some things don't add up. I'm just becoming less hopeful that one of those reasons is that he's alive and happy. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
edited to add: All of what I'm writing is assuming that he *did* have an addiction/dependancy problem as has been stated in the paperwork linked above as well as by his own family members and friends. Sure, it could be a cover, but why unanimously slander him so he could fake his "death?" It would also make the family less assertive in his "murder" as they can't really be sure that it's a "murder" if he was an addict who demanded too many medications. Drug dealers aren't charged with murder because their clients overdose.
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I agree, he didn't look like a dead man, no way.
We know that dr Murray was allowed to go back to work. The news reporting he was back to work was released by TMZ on November 23rd (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/23/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-texas-office-work-video/).
What I find odd is that 3 days after the investigation turns into a murder investigation, the prime suspect - a doctor - is allowed to practice medicine again. Unless I misunderstood something, he was already the target of a murder investigation, when he was allowed to go back to his work. It still doesn't make sense to me. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
The fact that all these documents have TMZ or whoever across them on every page, does that make a difference? Maybe if you put that then you can say well look it was our own documents which were produced in association with Mr Jackson simply for a movie he is making? I do not know the legalities of it maybe someone with a legal background would know. Most of the information could be put down as that because if the Media choose to take a statement from Jermaine and then footage put out by the Jacksons as being gospel well then that is their problem. Has anyone seen anything from a regular source as opposed to TMZ ET or other such places. It is all really odd.