Stripper Claims She was at MJ's House with Murray

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  • "who claims she was working at Sam's Hof Brau on June 24, 2009"
    She was working on the 24th and of course that could run into the 25th but shouldn't the article also say the 25th?

    hof•brau —n.
    an informal, German-style restaurant or tavern.
    http://dictionary.infoplease.com/hofbrau

    Sam's Hofbrau,
    1751 E. Olympic Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90021. (213) 623-3989
    Sam's Hofbrau - Restaurant, Bar and Adult Cabaret. The only topless strip club in downtown Los Angeles. We have a full bar and kitchen.
    Free admission. Open 7 days a week from 11am to 2am.
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  • paula-cpaula-c Posts: 7,221
    In the photo that TMZ published by Murray, the feel she was very angry <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • Stripper Claims She was at MJ's House with Murray
    Originally posted 4 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

    TMZ has learned ... Joe Jackson's lawyer will interview a stripper who not only claims Dr. Conrad Murray was at a strip club hours before Michael Jackson died, but that she was at Michael Jackson's house after being invited by the doctor.

    0628-murray-strip-club-ex.jpg

    The stripper -- who claims she was working at Sam's Hof Brau on June 24, 2009 -- claims Dr. Murray was at the club drinking just before midnight.

    Now we've learned Brian Oxman, who is repping Joe in his wrongful death lawsuit, has spoken with the stripper's "rep" who has scheduled a meeting. Among the topics -- the stripper claims weeks before Jackson died, Dr. Murray invited her to Jackson's home in Holmby Hills. She claims she went late one night -- after the club closed -- and Jackson was there, however he was in a deep sleep.

    In Oxman's letter of intent to sue Dr. Murray, he accused the doc of drinking at Sam's Hof Brau before treating MJ.

    Dr. Murray's reps have strongly denied he was at the club on June 24. And, they say, Murray doesn't drink.

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    Isn't the story that Michael was not able to find some sleep?!? <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->

    I'm sure there were nights when Michael was able to sleep.

    So he was sleeping the night b4 he "died"? I thought he was up all night, taking different drugs to help him sleep b4 he demanded propofol.

    Could this hoax get anymore obvious??!!??

    And this stripper (I dont want to judge at all) but dont you think if Murray was really there she would want to cash in on it, instead of waiting a year??? Being a strippers, you would think (again I dont wanna judge), she could use that money.

    Read it again sweetie. She wasn't there that night. She was there a night previous. They must have had her statement last year because it was in the news last year that Dr. Murray was at the club. She was probably their witness then. As for the cash - I don't know what grade this club is so I can't say what kind of cash she pulls in but it's possible that she didn't want it all over the news and bring a lot of press to the place for job security reasons or just plain doesn't want to be hounded and I'm sure if any of this be the case she had an agreement with the lawyers from the git-go. I'll talk but keep me out of the news. She could be working her way through school...have kids. That's what I would do. If she's a class-act exotic dancer, she is probably a survivor and very independent. Just some of the possible scenarios.

    Every stripper has kids and is working thru school, right? Where have I heard that b4? And I've read it sweetie.....Lets be real. This stripper probably doesnt even exist.

    She, if she even exist is probably on MJ's payroll, like Murray's barber.

    Also, if MJ was in a deep sleep whenever she was there, he would most likely be under the influence of propofol, so Murray should be watching him. How would she know MJ was sleeping, did Murray take her for a tour of the house?

    So she doesnt want to be hounded by media, but a yr later (like many other things around the death) decides to come forward now?????

    IMO, the stripper doesnt exist, just another actor on MJ's payroll
  • wishingstarwishingstar Posts: 2,927
    71 = hof brau (the number on the ambulance) = dreaming, spider, John Doe

    such coincidences.........
    just sayin' <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
    L.O.V.E.
  • MissinMJMissinMJ Posts: 73
    Ok let's disect this....

    First of all MJ got home from the rehearsal at around 1:30 if I'm not mistaken and when he got home he could not get to sleep so that's what the medicine was for in the first place.

    Then we got to think about the reports of where Murray was before 1:30 he was on his way from Santa Monica for reason I forget but he was not at the house. This would erase the fact that he didn't know the address. There are a lot of inconsistancies we have to look back on the story we've been investagating for the last year.
  • Stripper Claims She was at MJ's House with Murray
    Originally posted Jun 29th 2010 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

    TMZ has learned ... Joe Jackson's lawyer will interview a stripper who not only claims Dr. Conrad Murray was
    at a strip club hours before Michael Jackson died, but that she was at Michael Jackson's house after being
    invited by the doctor.

    0628-murray-strip-club-ex.jpg

    The stripper -- who claims she was working at Sam's Hof Brau on June 24, 2009 -- claims Dr. Murray was at
    the club drinking just before midnight.

    Now we've learned Brian Oxman, who is repping Joe in his wrongful death lawsuit, has spoken with the
    stripper's "rep" who has scheduled a meeting. Among the topics -- the stripper claims weeks before Jackson
    died, Dr. Murray invited her to Jackson's home in Holmby Hills. She claims she went late one night -- after the
    club closed -- and Jackson was there, however he was in a deep sleep.

    In Oxman's letter of intent to sue Dr. Murray, he accused the doc of drinking at Sam's Hof Brau before treating
    MJ.

    Dr. Murray's reps have strongly denied he was at the club on June 24. And, they say, Murray doesn't drink.

    Articles Posting Date:
    Jun 29th 2010 1:00 AM

    6 - 2 - 9 - 2 - 1 - 1
    6, 9, 11, 22
    6 + 2 + 9 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 21
    2 + 1 = 3 - The number 3 is a very mystical and spiritual number featured in many folktales (three wishes, three guesses, three little pigs, three bears, three billy goats gruff). In ancient Babylon the three primary gods were Anu, Bel (Baal), and Ea, representing Heaven, Earth, and the Abyss. Similarly, there were three aspects to the Egyptian sun god: Khepri (rising), Re (midday), and Atum (setting). In Christianity there is the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Plato saw 3 as being symbolic of the triangle, the simplest spatial shape, and considered the world to have been built from triangles.
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1086220/number-symbolism/248160/3

    The DOTS in this article are all related to Larry Silverstein, who owned the WTC Buildings, and the insurance on those buildings.

    SCSMJHM

    SC - Supreme Court
    The Supreme Court of the United States is the highest judicial body in the United States, and leads the federal judiciary. It consists of the Chief Justice of the United States and eight Associate Justices, who are nominated by the President and confirmed with the majority vote of the Senate ("advice and consent"). Once appointed, Justices effectively have life tenure, serving "during good Behaviour", which terminates only upon death, resignation, retirement, or conviction on impeachment. The Court meets in Washington, D.C. in the United States Supreme Court Building. The Supreme Court is primarily an appellate court, but it has original jurisdiction over a small range of cases.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States

    SMJ - Summary Judgment
    A Summary Judgment is a determination made by a court without a full trial. Such a judgement may be issued as to the merits of an entire case, or of specific issues in that case.

    In common law systems, the interpretation of that law, that is to say, any question as to what the law actually is in a particular case, are decided by the judge; in rare cases jury nullification of the law may act to contravene or complement the instructions or orders of the judge, or other officers of the court. A fact finder has to decide what the facts are and apply the law. In traditional common law the fact finder was a jury, but in many jurisdictions the judge now acts as the fact finder as well. It is the fact finder who decides "what really happened," and it is the judge who applies the law to the facts as determined by the fact finder, whether directly or by giving instructions to the jury.

    Absent an award of summary judgment (or some other type of pretrial dismissal), a lawsuit will ordinarily proceed to trial, which is an opportunity for each party to present evidence in an attempt to persuade the fact finder that such party is saying "what really happened," and that, under the judge's view of applicable law, such party should prevail.

    The necessary steps before a case can get to trial include disclosing documents to the opponent by discovery, showing the other side the evidence, often in the form of witness statements. This process is lengthy, and can be difficult and costly.

    A party moving (applying) for summary judgment is attempting to eliminate its risk of losing at trial, and possibly avoid having to go through discovery, by demonstrating to the judge, by sworn statements and documentary evidence, that there are no material issues of fact remaining to be tried. If there's nothing for the jury to decide, then, the moving party asks rhetorically, why have a trial? The moving party will also attempt to persuade the court that the undisputed material facts require judgment to be entered in favor of the moving party. In many jurisdictions, a party moving for summary judgment takes the risk that, although the judge may agree there are no material issues of fact remaining for trial, the judge may also find that it is the non-moving party who is entitled to judgment as a matter of law.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_judgment

    A judge hears the facts of a particular case and decides which laws are pertinent and how they would be applied if the case went to trial. Base don this decision both parties then decide whether to go to trial, many times cases are settled at this point because to go through all the trial procedures is LENGTHY and COSTLY.

    HM - High Maintenance
    high-maintenance
    1. Describes a system which requires a high degree of maintenance to ensure proper functioning and without which it is likely to break down.
    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/high-maintenance
    Costly to maintain so it will function properly or be in a poor shape.

    TTNIMD

    TT - Twin Towers
    The tallest two towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, destroyed September 11, 2001
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Towers

    NI - Named Insurance
    named insured
    Specifically named individual or firm (usually the policyholder) with whom an insurance contract is made, and whose interests are protected under the policy. In some cases, more than one entity may be designated as named insureds.
    http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/named-insured.html

    MD - Maximum Demand
    Maximum - the largest possible quantity
    http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=maximum

    Demand
    1.exact; claim as due or just: "The bank demanded payment of the loan"
    2. lay legal claim to
    http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=demand

    Requesting payment on the maximum amount of an insurance policies payout after an event covered by the insurance.

    Putting the DOTS together:

    The Great 9/11 Insurance Bonanza
    March 26, 2010 by Gene Cappa
    "An Insurance Policy that had been set up for the WTC Complex only weeks before the Twin Towers went down" says Investigative Journalist Laurence De Mello.
    Larry Silverstein - "The Harder I Worked The Luckier I Became"

    De Mello continues, "In 1980, ..real estate tycoon Silverstein, won a bid from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to construct 7 World Trade Center to the north of the WTC.

    Building 7 World Trade Center was situated above a (Con Ed) power substation, which imposed unique structural design constraints. When the building first opened in 1987, Silverstein had difficulties attracting tenants. In 1988, Salomon Brothers signed a long-term lease, and became the main tenants of the building.

    But this building was also losing money. Silverstein was interested in acquiring the entire World Trade Center complex, and put in a bid when the Port Authority put it up for lease in 2000. (he had waited over 20 years for this!).

    In January 2001, Silverstein, via Silverstein Properties, made a $3.2 billion bid for the lease to the World Trade Center. Silverstein was initially outbid by $50 million by Boston Properties and Brookfield Properties with Vornado Realty, who were also competing for the lease''.

    Silverstein won the bid when a deal between the initial lease applicant and the Port Authority fell through, Silverstein signed the lease on July 24, 2001, only weeks (48 days) before the towers were destroyed on 11th September of the same year.

    Larry Silverstein had acquired what was considered a very expensive ''white elephant''.
    A white elephant is an idiom for a valuable possession of which its owner cannot dispose and whose cost (particularly cost of upkeep) is out of proportion to its usefulness or worth.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant

    Here comes a Red Flag; After Silverstein closed his deal he stated; "This is a dream come true," "We will be in control of a prized asset, and we will seek to develop its potential, raising it to new heights." Yet this was a comment that was meant to make the public think this was a good investment. He didn't want to draw attention to the fact that he was buying the dead asset which the WTC was immediately before 9/11. Why ? Because he already knew what was going to happen!

    This was written in "'Business week'' with regard to the WTC before 9/11. From an economic standpoint, the Trade Center -- subsidized since its inception -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace.

    The Port Authority had made several attempts over the years to get the permits required to demolish the entire site but were always refused because of the "asbestos problem'' and the serious danger that "asbestos" would cause to the local community should the buildings be "demolished'' in the conventional manner.

    Silverstein's only consent to get around that risk to health was that the building could be literally dismantled "'floor by floor'',which could never have been a viable operation. Other New York developers had apparently been driven to bankruptcy by the costly mandated renovations and the prospect of $200 million to plug those losses, which represented an entire year's worth of revenues from the World Trade Towers at full rental capacity.Which it wasn't even at "Full Rental capacity".

    So even after Larry Silverstein's multi billion dollar acquisition in July of 2001 the Towers still required further funds of some $200 million in renovations and improvements to make the buildings rentable. Most of the 200 million renovation funds related to the removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built.

    Here we see a Red Flag; Where would that money have come from if Silverstein already had to invest 14 million of his own money to close the deal? This 14 million of Silverstein's personal funds being used in the deal tells us there was no more investors money available when he bought the lease in July 2001, so how would Silverstein have found another 200 million dollars to bring the WTC up to the standard for it to start to pay its own way?

    Red Flag; One has to ask why would the biggest real estate developer in the USA acquire a group of buildings that were losing hundreds of thousands of dollars per month? Especially as this new lease did not give him the right to redevelop the WTC site to make it a viable investment.

    Now here's the interesting clause to the 99 year lease that was "TURNING SILVERSTEIN ON''; although Silverstein was not permitted to redevelop the site, HE DID HAVE THE RIGHT TO REBUILD THE STRUCTURES SHOULD THEY BE DESTROYED.

    Now remember, Silverstein invested not only 3.2 billion dollars of other people's money into the deal, but also 14 million dollars of his own money! Now that's a very unusual investment step to take by a real estate genius, putting all that money into a site that was continuously a monumental financial loss.

    A site that can never be developed in a way that was financially feasible! How does one justify that move to ones 3.2 billion dollar investors? I would love to have seen the Business Plan for that! We should certainly ask for those!

    After closing the WTC deal in late July 2001, Silverstein immediately insured his "'white elephant'' buildings. The insurance coverage on the property 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism.

    And more curiously, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, separate attacks.
    Two planes, Two Buildings = Two attacks in Silverstein's claim

    The total potential PAYOUT WAS $7.1 BILLION, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.

    From Forbes.com 6th Dec 2004, "A federal jury on Monday ruled that the assault on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center was in fact two occurrences for insurance purposes".

    A US Supreme Court judge decided in a Summary Judgment that the attacks on the TWO buildings, by TWO planes was TWO different EVENTS and that Larry Silverstein could claim the maximum amount under the insurance policies held on the buildings. After receiving this ruling, the insurance companies weighed the chances of winning/losing at trial as well as the costs of going to trial, and settled by paying the maximum amount under the policies to Larry Silverstein.

    The finding in U.S. District Court in Manhattan means leaseholder Larry Silverstein may collect up to $4.6 billion, according to reports.

    That means Silverstein got his buildings demolished in hours, he gets his insurance payments giving him 1.3 billion dollars more than he paid for the WTC 99 year lease, he gets free rein to build a state of the art, healthy, cost effective complex in the centre of Manhattan.

    And all only 48 days after he signed the contracts!

    No wonder he used his own 14 million dollars, he KNEW he was getting it back!


    Here we also start to think, hold on, if so many BIG people knew that the buildings were not permitted to be demolished due to health risks from asbestos, why were the locals told the air was "safe to breath'' immediately after the 9/11 collapse?

    The Port authority had applied for years for permits and had been refused yet they lied saying the air was safe. Why?

    Then we have those famous words of Silvestein days after the 9/11 horror,

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    "I remember getting a call from the, uh, Fire Department Commander, telling me they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said, "You know, we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it, uh...and they made that decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse." ~ Larry Silverstein, owner of New York's World Trade Center Building 7, which was demolished on 9/11/2001.

    So they just pulled it, in just a couple of hours, just like that!

    Hmmm, go to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and our very qualified friends will tell you just how many weeks of planning it takes to just "PULL IT''.
    http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?f=The-Great-9-11-Insurance-B-by-Gene-Cappa-100326-353.html
  • ForstAMoonForstAMoon Posts: 1,126
    it is interesting to see that the strip club has a link to TMZ post on the previous story... in a club link under the TMZ post you can also see TMZ video

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  • paula-cpaula-c Posts: 7,221
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  • GraceGrace Posts: 2,864
    Well, who or what is a stripper?

    I was immediately reminded of these:

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    And what nice explanations these are:

    Definition:

    1. [noun] a chemical compound used to remove paint or varnish

    2. [noun] a worker who strips the stems from moistened tobacco leaves and binds the leaves together into books
    Synonyms: stemmer, sprigger

    3. [noun] a performer who provides erotic entertainment by undressing to music
    Synonyms: striptease artist, striptease, stripteaser, exotic dancer, ecdysiast, peeler

    4. [noun] an oil well whose production has declined to less than ten barrels a day
    Synonyms: well
    http://www.elook.org/dictionary/stripper.html
  • simplymesimplyme Posts: 649
    Stripper Claims She was at MJ's House with Murray
    Originally posted 4 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

    TMZ has learned ... Joe Jackson's lawyer will interview a stripper who not only claims Dr. Conrad Murray was at a strip club hours before Michael Jackson died, but that she was at Michael Jackson's house after being invited by the doctor.

    0628-murray-strip-club-ex.jpg

    The stripper -- who claims she was working at Sam's Hof Brau on June 24, 2009 -- claims Dr. Murray was at the club drinking just before midnight.

    Now we've learned Brian Oxman, who is repping Joe in his wrongful death lawsuit, has spoken with the stripper's "rep" who has scheduled a meeting. Among the topics -- the stripper claims weeks before Jackson died, Dr. Murray invited her to Jackson's home in Holmby Hills. She claims she went late one night -- after the club closed -- and Jackson was there, however he was in a deep sleep.

    In Oxman's letter of intent to sue Dr. Murray, he accused the doc of drinking at Sam's Hof Brau before treating MJ.

    Dr. Murray's reps have strongly denied he was at the club on June 24. And, they say, Murray doesn't drink.

    <!-- m -->http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/29/stripper- ... eath-died/<!-- m -->
    Isn't the story that Michael was not able to find some sleep?!? <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->

    I'm sure there were nights when Michael was able to sleep.

    So he was sleeping the night b4 he "died"? I thought he was up all night, taking different drugs to help him sleep b4 he demanded propofol.

    Could this hoax get anymore obvious??!!??

    And this stripper (I dont want to judge at all) but dont you think if Murray was really there she would want to cash in on it, instead of waiting a year??? Being a strippers, you would think (again I dont wanna judge), she could use that money.

    Read it again sweetie. She wasn't there that night. She was there a night previous. They must have had her statement last year because it was in the news last year that Dr. Murray was at the club. She was probably their witness then. As for the cash - I don't know what grade this club is so I can't say what kind of cash she pulls in but it's possible that she didn't want it all over the news and bring a lot of press to the place for job security reasons or just plain doesn't want to be hounded and I'm sure if any of this be the case she had an agreement with the lawyers from the git-go. I'll talk but keep me out of the news. She could be working her way through school...have kids. That's what I would do. If she's a class-act exotic dancer, she is probably a survivor and very independent. Just some of the possible scenarios.

    Every stripper has kids and is working thru school, right? Where have I heard that b4? And I've read it sweetie.....Lets be real. This stripper probably doesnt even exist.

    She, if she even exist is probably on MJ's payroll, like Murray's barber.

    Also, if MJ was in a deep sleep whenever she was there, he would most likely be under the influence of propofol, so Murray should be watching him. How would she know MJ was sleeping, did Murray take her for a tour of the house?

    So she doesnt want to be hounded by media, but a yr later (like many other things around the death) decides to come forward now?????

    IMO, the stripper doesnt exist, just another actor on MJ's payroll

    I'm only stating possible scenarios. No need to get your knickers all in a twist. Michael may or may not have been under propofol the night she was allegedly there. Dr. may or may not have been watching Michael. Dr. allegedly gave her a tour. So what I say. Who wouldn't want to tour his home. Dr. probably told her that Michael was sleeping. Michael may not have been sleeping and told Dr. to tell her that because he didn't want to come down. Michael may have even told him to give her a tour. The guards were there. Since the story was in the news last year, I'm suggesting that she was the original source and now the source has been made public with or without the sources consent.

    As for strippers going to school..you don't think strippers go to school apparently - and stippers have husbands and families? I am being real. I have known two prostitutes [one I knew well and the other in passing, but that one was always studying every time I saw her] that put themselves through medical school. I saw one finish and go for her license. Thank goodness she did before she got caught. I don't know about the other one [the one always studying] because I moved and don't know what happened. I do know she was dedicated to her studies. I have known others too that worked hard to achieve their degrees, goals and did. I know a lot about them. This is how I know what survivors they are and how independent they can be. I know another that owns a pricey store at a mall. So you might have heard it before, but it's true. Not all strippers and prostitutes are lying junkies completely dependent on someone else. I've known some of those too. Some are junkies, some are junkies and dependent to the point they can't get home by themselves simply because they're under someones finger and don't know the way home. One I was very fond off and often wonder where she is today. Well, I'm talking too much and guess this will be my speech for the week.
    Edit-
    I want to add that I've known 3 strippers. One of them was very unpleasant. Two of them had husbands and families and left the business. The unpleasant one...I don't know. That gal made enemies everywhere she went.
  • nefarinefari Posts: 1,227
    I am suddenly invisioning Michael, Murray and the stripper toasted singing the Tom Sneddon song while we look at these clues <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • it is interesting to see that the strip club has a link to TMZ post on the previous story... in a club link under the TMZ post you can also see TMZ video

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    First Article on that page is another TMZ article.
    Dr. Conrad Murray: The Strip Club Story is BS

    On the link there is an article on the bottom of the page.
    New Times LA says we're the best strip club in Los Angeles!

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    La Dolce Vita - Only the relevant bits
    La Dolce Vita (Italian for "the sweet life" or "the good life" is a 1960 film by the critically acclaimed director Federico Fellini. The film is a story of a passive journalist's week (7 Days) in Rome, and his search for both happiness and love that will never come. Cited as the film that signals the split between Fellini's earlier neo-realist films and his later art films, it is considered one of the great achievements in world cinema.

    Plot
    Based on the most common interpretation of the storyline, the film can be divided into a prologue, seven major episodes interrupted by an intermezzo, and an epilogue. If the evenings of each episode were joined with the morning of the respective preceding episode together as a day, they would form seven consecutive days, which may not necessarily be the case.

    1st Day Sequence: A helicopter transports a statue of Christ over an ancient Roman aqueduct outside Rome while a second, Marcello's news helicopter, follows it into the city.
    MJ in the helicopter? Many suspected it might be a dummy on the stretcher.

    1st Dawn Sequence: Marcello returns to his apartment at dawn to find that his fiancée, Emma, has overdosed. On the way to the hospital, he declares his ever-lasting love to her and again as she lies in a semi-conscious state in the emergency room.
    Over dose and awake on the stretcher at UCLA

    2nd Day Sequence: That day, he goes on assignment for the arrival of Sylvia, a famous Swedish-American actress, at Ciampino airport where she is met by a horde of news reporters.
    The Airport, Jermaine and reports about a mysterious flight taking off etc.

    2nd Day Sequence: During Sylvia's press conference
    The O2 Press Conference?

    4th Day Sequence: Late afternoon, Marcello, his photographer friend Paparazzo, and Emma drive to the outskirts of Rome to cover the story of the purported sighting of the Madonna by two children. Although the Catholic Church is officially sceptical, a huge crowd of devotees and reporters gathers at the site.
    Ben Evenstad and the ambulance photograph as well as the video that seems like MJ in the yard of the Carolwood house.

    4th Night Sequence: Marcello responds that it is better to be chosen than to choose.
    Outside on the terrace, Marcello confesses to Steiner his admiration for all he stands for, but Steiner admits he is torn between the security that a materialistic life affords and his longing for a more spiritual albeit insecure way of life. Steiner philosophizes about the need for love in the world and fears what his children may grow up to face one day.

    5th Night Sequence:When Fanny invites Marcello’s father back to her flat, he suffers a mild heart attack.
    Randy Jackson?

    4th Dawn Sequence: Despite Marcello's insistence that he stay and talk, his father hops a taxi to catch the first train home.

    6th Night Sequence: Marcello, Nico (Nico), and other friends met on the Via Veneto are driven to a castle owned by aristocrats at Bassano di Sutri outside Rome.
    Unaware of her duplicity. Dualism?

    7th Night Sequence: he returns to find her contentedly picking flowers at the same spot he left her.
    Sunflowers?

    7th Dawn Sequence: Marcello comments on how its eyes stare even in death.
    Reports that Michael's eyes were open even when he slept so they couldn't tell if he was "alive" or not etc?

    The film ends in a long close-up of Paola's sad yet smiling face.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Dolce_Vita
  • Stripper Claims She was at MJ's House with Murray
    Originally posted 4 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

    TMZ has learned ... Joe Jackson's lawyer will interview a stripper who not only claims Dr. Conrad Murray was at a strip club hours before Michael Jackson died, but that she was at Michael Jackson's house after being invited by the doctor.

    0628-murray-strip-club-ex.jpg

    The stripper -- who claims she was working at Sam's Hof Brau on June 24, 2009 -- claims Dr. Murray was at the club drinking just before midnight.

    Now we've learned Brian Oxman, who is repping Joe in his wrongful death lawsuit, has spoken with the stripper's "rep" who has scheduled a meeting. Among the topics -- the stripper claims weeks before Jackson died, Dr. Murray invited her to Jackson's home in Holmby Hills. She claims she went late one night -- after the club closed -- and Jackson was there, however he was in a deep sleep.

    In Oxman's letter of intent to sue Dr. Murray, he accused the doc of drinking at Sam's Hof Brau before treating MJ.

    Dr. Murray's reps have strongly denied he was at the club on June 24. And, they say, Murray doesn't drink.

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    Isn't the story that Michael was not able to find some sleep?!? <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->

    I'm sure there were nights when Michael was able to sleep.

    So he was sleeping the night b4 he "died"? I thought he was up all night, taking different drugs to help him sleep b4 he demanded propofol.

    Could this hoax get anymore obvious??!!??

    And this stripper (I dont want to judge at all) but dont you think if Murray was really there she would want to cash in on it, instead of waiting a year??? Being a strippers, you would think (again I dont wanna judge), she could use that money.

    Read it again sweetie. She wasn't there that night. She was there a night previous. They must have had her statement last year because it was in the news last year that Dr. Murray was at the club. She was probably their witness then. As for the cash - I don't know what grade this club is so I can't say what kind of cash she pulls in but it's possible that she didn't want it all over the news and bring a lot of press to the place for job security reasons or just plain doesn't want to be hounded and I'm sure if any of this be the case she had an agreement with the lawyers from the git-go. I'll talk but keep me out of the news. She could be working her way through school...have kids. That's what I would do. If she's a class-act exotic dancer, she is probably a survivor and very independent. Just some of the possible scenarios.

    Every stripper has kids and is working thru school, right? Where have I heard that b4? And I've read it sweetie.....Lets be real. This stripper probably doesnt even exist.

    She, if she even exist is probably on MJ's payroll, like Murray's barber.

    Also, if MJ was in a deep sleep whenever she was there, he would most likely be under the influence of propofol, so Murray should be watching him. How would she know MJ was sleeping, did Murray take her for a tour of the house?

    So she doesnt want to be hounded by media, but a yr later (like many other things around the death) decides to come forward now?????

    IMO, the stripper doesnt exist, just another actor on MJ's payroll

    I'm only stating possible scenarios. No need to get your knickers all in a twist. Michael may or may not have been under propofol the night she was allegedly there. Dr. may or may not have been watching Michael. Dr. allegedly gave her a tour. So what I say. Who wouldn't want to tour his home. Dr. probably told her that Michael was sleeping. Michael may not have been sleeping and told Dr. to tell her that because he didn't want to come down. Michael may have even told him to give her a tour. The guards were there. Since the story was in the news last year, I'm suggesting that she was the original source and now the source has been made public with or without the sources consent.

    As for strippers going to school..you don't think strippers go to school apparently - and stippers have husbands and families? I am being real. I have known two prostitutes [one I knew well and the other in passing, but that one was always studying every time I saw her] that put themselves through medical school. I saw one finish and go for her license. Thank goodness she did before she got caught. I don't know about the other one [the one always studying] because I moved and don't know what happened. I do know she was dedicated to her studies. I have known others too that worked hard to achieve their degrees, goals and did. I know a lot about them. This is how I know what survivors they are and how independent they can be. I know another that owns a pricey store at a mall. So you might have heard it before, but it's true. Not all strippers and prostitutes are lying junkies completely dependent on someone else. I've known some of those too. Some are junkies, some are junkies and dependent to the point they can't get home by themselves simply because they're under someones finger and don't know the way home. One I was very fond off and often wonder where she is today. Well, I'm talking too much and guess this will be my speech for the week.
    Edit-
    I want to add that I've known 3 strippers. One of them was very unpleasant. Two of them had husbands and families and left the business. The unpleasant one...I don't know. That gal made enemies everywhere she went.

    Relax. I'm not gonna fight with you over tabloid garbage.

    We need to stop taking TMZ's words as the gospel, these are clearly bs stories with hidden meanings. Thats why TMZ is posting these stories and not a legitimite news source (if they even exist).

    Btw, if we are going off of what the media reports, Murray gave MJ propfol every night for 6 weeks. So he gave MJ the drug, picked up the stripper and brought her back? I dont think so.

    Also, I dont have anything against strippers. Anyone who makes money legally is cool wit me <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->

    Remember, it's all for L.O.V.E <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
  • palmprepalmpre Posts: 181
    <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> @ the video
  • paula-cpaula-c Posts: 7,221
    Serenitys_Dream, well, ... as always <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    ok, so I think TMZ is trying to show the contradictions btw the stories. We were told that Michael had insomnia but here we read that he could sleep well and he was in a deep sleep. Or did TMZ try to mean he was in a deep sleep because Murray gave him proforol again and got the stripper inside the house? hmmm...
  • suspicious mindsuspicious mind Posts: 5,984
    so did this stripper happen to mention if micheal was hooked up to an iv <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> . i'm guessing most people would have noticed that.

    also anyone remember the home movies where liz decorated the house for christmas? when she knocked on his bedroom door he commented on being hard to wake up.
  • darkchilddarkchild Posts: 1,161
    Hmmmmmm, Hey Uncle Harvey, I thought MJ was always reported to have insomnia. Now, a stripper says that MJ was in a deep sleep. Well, Uncle Harvey, I guess the Greatest Show on the Earth continues.
  • teerockjelliteerockjelli Posts: 205
    Well, who or what is a stripper?

    I was immediately reminded of these:

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    And what nice explanations these are:

    Definition:

    1. [noun] a chemical compound used to remove paint or varnish

    2. [noun] a worker who strips the stems from moistened tobacco leaves and binds the leaves together into books
    Synonyms: stemmer, sprigger

    3. [noun] a performer who provides erotic entertainment by undressing to music
    Synonyms: striptease artist, striptease, stripteaser, exotic dancer, ecdysiast, peeler

    4. [noun] an oil well whose production has declined to less than ten barrels a day
    Synonyms: well
    http://www.elook.org/dictionary/stripper.html

    Oh My F***ing God <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> LMAO

    not because I thought this sounded like some nonsense <!-- s:| -->:|<!-- s:| --> (cause I wasn't there that night <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> JUST KIDDING)

    it's because when I worked for a furniture refurbishing a few years back I would apply the stripper to get the chemicals off the natural wood... the joke was either "Tee's gonna do the stripping" or "Tee's our best stripper" LOL I used to hate that but they were right LOL

    *** I HAVE TO SAY THIS AS A JOKE *** I loved bringing the wood back to is natural state... ROTF I enjoyed that job LOL <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • DancingTheDreamDancingTheDream Posts: 4,923
    WEEKS BEFORE? HOW MANY? BECAUSE SOMEONES SAY THAT MURRAY WASS AT THE HOUSE SOME WEEKS BEFORE, OTHERS SAY MONTHS... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> I WANT TO KNOW WHEN MURRAY GET TO THE HOUSE? AND INMEDIATLY HE TAKE A STRIPPER INTO MJ HOUSE... COME ON!
    THEN, IF MJ WAS ADDICTED TO PROPOFOL MURRAY MUST GAVE HIM WEEKS BEFORE TO JUNE 25 TOO... OR NOT?
    THIS IS <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

    My understanding was that Murray was only hired 6 days before June 25th???
  • simalvessimalves Posts: 730
    @ Dancingthedream

    Glad to have you back. I was sad as I knew you had gone to LA and thought you had given up and so decided to stay away. Hope you feel better soon and can post more.

    The other day I watched one of the tributes the 2020 Michael Jackson After Life and guess what they spoke about the making of the video and this is what they said about Ola Ray and I quote
    Landis wanted to give Michael his first on screen girlfriend. Among those he auditioned was a 23 year old beauty named Ola Ray. Back in 1980 Ola Ray had cited Michael as her favorite singer in her bio for Playboy.

    This does make her a stripper, doesn't it???

    I have seen a few pics of her and she could look like the mother of Blanket.

    They also went through unnecessary stuff like how she loved him and spent time together in the trailer and how he could have gone to third base and how he knew what he was doing.
  • simalvessimalves Posts: 730
    So that also proves to those who debate about Michael and his association with strippers that he was quite open about it.

    His first onscreen girlfriend was a well known stripper.

    She was Miss JUNE 1980
  • I have to be honest, there is nothing about this story that surprises me. Hell, there is nothing about MJ's "death" that surprises. Every trifflin SOB is now coming forward saying that they used to be cool with MJ and that they were best friends and all this other crap. Why she waited this long to say something, who knows and who cares!!! All I know is that this is nothing new and that, unfortunately, this is only going to get worse. Even though we all know that this is a HOAX, MJ's kids dont need to be reading this garbage and those are the only three that I am concerned about right now. If we are supposed to be a group united for Michael and against the media circus, then none of us should believe this story or any other one that TMA or whomever tries to post about Michael. I am from Oswego, Illinois. Until I see that man in my local Walmart on US 34, I dont believe anything that I read from the media and none of you should either. Stay strong and keep the faith. He will return to us soon!!! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • So that also proves to those who debate about Michael and his association with strippers that he was quite open about it.

    His first onscreen girlfriend was a well known stripper.

    She was Miss JUNE 1980

    Michael wrote:
    “Like the old Indian proverb says do not judge a man until you’ve walked 2 moons in his moccasins."
    "If a man could say nothing against a character but what he can prove, history could not be written."
    "Animals strike, not from malice, but because they want to live, it is the same with those who criticize, they desire our blood, not our pain."


    MichaelJacksononstagecircax1995.jpg

    Michael has always said not to judge others especially if we haven't experienced the circumstances of their life.

    Maybe the "Secret Girlfriend" was a Stripper at one time and this story is placed in the media to see how we will react and judge this woman because if Michael plans to be with this woman after his return, then it will be a sensationalized story in the tabloids. It could be that he is also preparing us for such revelations about someone he cares about. Just a thought to consider.
  • MashMikeMashMike Posts: 1,312
    well Ola Ray is the same girl from Michael's Thriller
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