My 12 yr old son is a high functioning Autistic, meaning he is not as severe. While he has socializing problems, he does ok after he gets to know someone a little. He does love his animals, he prefers human interaction more. My son does not have a hunched over appearance at all. He is very smart in the things that interest him, like someone above said. He is a wonderful artist, and a whiz on the computer and at video games. He just has problems with the easy things. One thing is being able to express his emotions. Although he is a happy, loving and very affectionate young man. He loves everyone and says "I have only Peace, Love & Joy in my heart Mom". He is my special Angel!!
That's why I am not convinced that an Autistic child would be easy to mind control. They are in their own little world. If someone were to try that with my son he would invert into himself and would probably completely shut down and quit talking all together. I have witnessed children at school making fun of him and thank God he does not seem to internalize it. But again if he did he probably would not be able to tell us, as he does not know how to convey those feelings. I would not even venture to say what things Michael has endured in his life as I was not witness to it and therefore will not speculate on it. Only Michael knows what happened to him and just maybe he would like to forget it and put it behind him.
My 12 yr old son is a high functioning Autistic, meaning he is not as severe. While he has socializing problems, he does ok after he gets to know someone a little. He does love his animals, he prefers human interaction more. My son does not have a hunched over appearance at all. He is very smart in the things that interest him, like someone above said. He is a wonderful artist, and a whiz on the computer and at video games. He just has problems with the easy things. One thing is being able to express his emotions. Although he is a happy, loving and very affectionate young man. He loves everyone and says "I have only Peace, Love & Joy in my heart Mom". He is my special Angel!!
That's why I am not convinced that an Autistic child would be easy to mind control. They are in their own little world. If someone were to try that with my son he would invert into himself and would probably completely shut down and quit talking all together. I have witnessed children at school making fun of him and thank God he does not seem to internalize it. But again if he did he probably would not be able to tell us, as he does not know how to convey those feelings. I would not even venture to say what things Michael has endured in his life as I was not witness to it and therefore will not speculate on it. Only Michael knows what happened to him and just maybe he would like to forget it and put it behind him.
Gob Bless you all, I love you!
God bless your boy, and may he always have a loving mother like you to love him <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Yes I am familiar with aspergers, one of my class mates had asperger. It's indeed a mild form and I remember he was very sweet. A loner, shy, had bunches of pets and was never nasty. He read a lot as well, knew everything about the subjects that mattered to him.
For some reason that reminds me how I often wish MJ had been born with a sharper tongue and attitude..
My 12 yr old son is a high functioning Autistic, meaning he is not as severe. While he has socializing problems, he does ok after he gets to know someone a little. He does love his animals, he prefers human interaction more. My son does not have a hunched over appearance at all. He is very smart in the things that interest him, like someone above said. He is a wonderful artist, and a whiz on the computer and at video games. He just has problems with the easy things. One thing is being able to express his emotions. Although he is a happy, loving and very affectionate young man. He loves everyone and says "I have only Peace, Love & Joy in my heart Mom". He is my special Angel!!
That's why I am not convinced that an Autistic child would be easy to mind control. They are in their own little world. If someone were to try that with my son he would invert into himself and would probably completely shut down and quit talking all together. I have witnessed children at school making fun of him and thank God he does not seem to internalize it. But again if he did he probably would not be able to tell us, as he does not know how to convey those feelings. I would not even venture to say what things Michael has endured in his life as I was not witness to it and therefore will not speculate on it. Only Michael knows what happened to him and just maybe he would like to forget it and put it behind him.
Gob Bless you all, I love you!
And that is exactly what they want, to push away the core person and have the alters surface.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
My 12 yr old son is a high functioning Autistic, meaning he is not as severe. While he has socializing problems, he does ok after he gets to know someone a little. He does love his animals, he prefers human interaction more. My son does not have a hunched over appearance at all. He is very smart in the things that interest him, like someone above said. He is a wonderful artist, and a whiz on the computer and at video games. He just has problems with the easy things. One thing is being able to express his emotions. Although he is a happy, loving and very affectionate young man. He loves everyone and says "I have only Peace, Love & Joy in my heart Mom". He is my special Angel!!
That's why I am not convinced that an Autistic child would be easy to mind control. They are in their own little world. If someone were to try that with my son he would invert into himself and would probably completely shut down and quit talking all together. I have witnessed children at school making fun of him and thank God he does not seem to internalize it. But again if he did he probably would not be able to tell us, as he does not know how to convey those feelings. I would not even venture to say what things Michael has endured in his life as I was not witness to it and therefore will not speculate on it. Only Michael knows what happened to him and just maybe he would like to forget it and put it behind him.
Gob Bless you all, I love you!
God bless your boy, and may he always have a loving mother like you to love him <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Thank you Jude, that means a lot! Although I would not change a thing about my son, it is very heart breaking to have a child with learning difficulties. The things he has to endure from others that do not have his loving spirit, is very emotional to handle as a parent. I am just grateful he does not handle it as I do. It really breaks my heart, but also shows me how God works his miracles . My son has Autism, but God gave him the ability to over come it to a certain extent as he does not pay attention to the cruelty and still loves everyone!
My 12 yr old son is a high functioning Autistic, meaning he is not as severe. While he has socializing problems, he does ok after he gets to know someone a little. He does love his animals, he prefers human interaction more. My son does not have a hunched over appearance at all. He is very smart in the things that interest him, like someone above said. He is a wonderful artist, and a whiz on the computer and at video games. He just has problems with the easy things. One thing is being able to express his emotions. Although he is a happy, loving and very affectionate young man. He loves everyone and says "I have only Peace, Love & Joy in my heart Mom". He is my special Angel!!
That's why I am not convinced that an Autistic child would be easy to mind control. They are in their own little world. If someone were to try that with my son he would invert into himself and would probably completely shut down and quit talking all together. I have witnessed children at school making fun of him and thank God he does not seem to internalize it. But again if he did he probably would not be able to tell us, as he does not know how to convey those feelings. I would not even venture to say what things Michael has endured in his life as I was not witness to it and therefore will not speculate on it. Only Michael knows what happened to him and just maybe he would like to forget it and put it behind him.
Gob Bless you all, I love you!
God bless your boy, and may he always have a loving mother like you to love him <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Thank you Jude, that means a lot! Although I would not change a thing about my son, it is very heart breaking to have a child with learning difficulties. The things he has to endure from others that do not have his loving spirit, is very emotional to handle as a parent. I am just grateful he does not handle it as I do. It really breaks my heart, but also shows me how God works his miracles . My son has Autism, but God gave him the ability to over come it to a certain extent as he does not pay attention to the cruelty and still loves everyone!
Gob Bless you all, I love you!
God love him, and by the way I have 2 boys that could not care less about education, all they want to do is fart around on snowboard and bike and the like, I tell ya thats not easy either, watching them just throw it all away.
I can´t believe what I am reading. Schizophrenia, autism, DID, Mind control...wow....WOW
Post-traumatic strees, leading to anxiety and this combined with seasonal depression it´s what I can "deduct" from videos and that is not even accurate, since we can´t tell when Michael was not acting. As soon as lights were on, he went on the act, he confirmed that.
I can´t believe what I am reading. Schizophrenia, autism, DID, Mind control...wow....WOW
Post-traumatic strees, leading to anxiety and this combined with seasonal depression it´s what I can "deduct" from videos and that is not even accurate, since we can´t tell when Michael was not acting. As soon as lights were on, he went on the act, he confirmed that.
Then don't read it! you are your own worst enemy Gema, sorry but it's true.
I wouldn't be able to say for sure, either way.
It's that drug thorazine that just keeps bugging me to no end, but Michael has been said to have everything from Autism to Trauma disorder.
Kids with autism are more easy to control, they are 'good targets', so that would make sense.
From my research, he does have some symptoms of a mild form of autism called aspergers syndrom, symptoms include, intensity on things till they get it right, like Mike, relates to children and animals better then wih adults, Mike again, spend alot of time alone even tho they have family and friends, and have this hunched over apperance, like bad posture, there is more, and since its mild, each individual has different behaviours.
le through not reading the situation they are in.
Yes I am familiar with aspergers, one of my class mates had asperger. It's indeed a mild form and I remember he was very sweet. A loner, shy, had bunches of pets and was never nasty. He read a lot as well, knew everything about the subjects that mattered to him.
plus they can not read the situation they might be walking into #
they are honest and truthfull but are unable to read a situation that could be a problem to them.
I wouldn't be able to say for sure, either way.
It's that drug thorazine that just keeps bugging me to no end, but Michael has been said to have everything from Autism to Trauma disorder.
Kids with autism are more easy to control, they are 'good targets', so that would make sense.
From my research, he does have some symptoms of a mild form of autism called aspergers syndrom, symptoms include, intensity on things till they get it right, like Mike, relates to children and animals better then wih adults, Mike again, spend alot of time alone even tho they have family and friends, and have this hunched over apperance, like bad posture, there is more, and since its mild, each individual has different behaviours.
le through not reading the situation they are in.
Yes I am familiar with aspergers, one of my class mates had asperger. It's indeed a mild form and I remember he was very sweet. A loner, shy, had bunches of pets and was never nasty. He read a lot as well, knew everything about the subjects that mattered to him.
plus they can not read the situation they might be walking into #
they are honest and truthfull but are unable to read a situation that could be a problem to them.
I can´t believe what I am reading. Schizophrenia, autism, DID, Mind control...wow....WOW
Post-traumatic strees, leading to anxiety and this combined with seasonal depression it´s what I can "deduct" from videos and that is not even accurate, since we can´t tell when Michael was not acting. As soon as lights were on, he went on the act, he confirmed that.
Then don't read it! you are your own worst enemy Gema, sorry but it's true.
You just keep judging me, it´s hilarious <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Whatever Jude, whatever.... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
I still believe that Michael is a mindcontrol victim.
This is a fragment from vanityfair
"When Salas testified that he had seen Jackson exhibit the effects of drinking "on a pretty much regular basis," Mesereau asked him, "And were you aware that there were times when he had a prescription-drug problem … and he had gotten a lot of injections from various physicians?" Mesereau was trying to suggest that Jackson's "appearing intoxicated" could actually be the result of taking medication for his health. However, Jackson checked into drug rehab when he was charged with molestation by Jordie Chandler in 1993, and I observed his bizarre performance on the stand when he was in Santa Maria in 2002 to testify in the civil trial he lost. A medical worker who treated Jackson that year told me recently that Jackson's bodyguards were worried about him, and that Jackson himself acknowledged how easy it was for him to obtain drugs from doctor friends. He said that Jackson traveled with a huge black suitcase containing an array of powerful prescription drugs, pre-loaded syringes, and IV bags and a collapsible IV pole, and that he spent whole days watching a video of Disney's Fantasia over and over again. He said Jackson's children got bored watching the film so many times, and he added that Prince Michael had several teeth rotting from eating too much candy. Jackson's drug use made it nearly impossible to fall asleep, and at one point he had to check into a nearby hospital and be given a powerful anesthetic in order to get rest. Once again, the medical worker said, Jackson's celebrity protected him. Stacy Brown told me, "In December of 2001, Janet, Tito, Rebbie, and Randy flew to New York for an intervention with him. He told them to leave him alone. He said, 'Look, I'll be dead in a year anyway.'"
The article is not very pro-Michael , but read between the lines here.
Do you remember that Murray stated that Michael slept with the lights on and with the tv playing cartoons?
With mindcontrol they use images and sound, add some drugs to it and the world will look very different... and they can handle you they way they want to.
<!-- m -->http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... dcon02.htm<!-- m -->
You can read more about disneyprogramming here.
I can´t believe what I am reading. Schizophrenia, autism, DID, Mind control...wow....WOW
Post-traumatic strees, leading to anxiety and this combined with seasonal depression it´s what I can "deduct" from videos and that is not even accurate, since we can´t tell when Michael was not acting. As soon as lights were on, he went on the act, he confirmed that.
I agree with you. I see people making "on-line diagnoses" in more than one thread, that really should be made by a Genetist, a Psychiatrist or a Psycologist.
You need to be a professional, you need experience. They make their diagnoses after meet face to face the patient in a couple or more appointments, they dig deep into their life stories, they need their family's versions sometimes, they need to discuss it with other professionals, to have more than one opinion... And even after all this, you may not going to have a clear/ unique diagnose.
The only fact is that we don't know the patient, we don't know his kids and we don't know his story. You can keep speculating if you want, though...
I still believe that Michael is a mindcontrol victim.
This is a fragment from vanityfair
"When Salas testified that he had seen Jackson exhibit the effects of drinking "on a pretty much regular basis," Mesereau asked him, "And were you aware that there were times when he had a prescription-drug problem … and he had gotten a lot of injections from various physicians?" Mesereau was trying to suggest that Jackson's "appearing intoxicated" could actually be the result of taking medication for his health. However, Jackson checked into drug rehab when he was charged with molestation by Jordie Chandler in 1993, and I observed his bizarre performance on the stand when he was in Santa Maria in 2002 to testify in the civil trial he lost. A medical worker who treated Jackson that year told me recently that Jackson's bodyguards were worried about him, and that Jackson himself acknowledged how easy it was for him to obtain drugs from doctor friends. He said that Jackson traveled with a huge black suitcase containing an array of powerful prescription drugs, pre-loaded syringes, and IV bags and a collapsible IV pole, and that he spent whole days watching a video of Disney's Fantasia over and over again. He said Jackson's children got bored watching the film so many times, and he added that Prince Michael had several teeth rotting from eating too much candy. Jackson's drug use made it nearly impossible to fall asleep, and at one point he had to check into a nearby hospital and be given a powerful anesthetic in order to get rest. Once again, the medical worker said, Jackson's celebrity protected him. Stacy Brown told me, "In December of 2001, Janet, Tito, Rebbie, and Randy flew to New York for an intervention with him. He told them to leave him alone. He said, 'Look, I'll be dead in a year anyway.'"
The article is not very pro-Michael , but read between the lines here.
Do you remember that Murray stated that Michael slept with the lights on and with the tv playing cartoons?
With mindcontrol they use images and sound, add some drugs to it and the world will look very different... and they can handle you they way they want to.
<!-- m -->http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... dcon02.htm<!-- m -->
You can read more about disneyprogramming here.
Oh my God- I read a horrible article a few months ago about Disney and it went into this whole step-by-step thing about the images in Fantasia and how someone will "narrate" it to program the person they're programming.. But it said that that controller needed to be there,"guiding" the victim..
I wouldn't be able to say for sure, either way.
It's that drug thorazine that just keeps bugging me to no end, but Michael has been said to have everything from Autism to Trauma disorder.
Kids with autism are more easy to control, they are 'good targets', so that would make sense.
From my research, he does have some symptoms of a mild form of autism called aspergers syndrom, symptoms include, intensity on things till they get it right, like Mike, relates to children and animals better then wih adults, Mike again, spend alot of time alone even tho they have family and friends, and have this hunched over apperance, like bad posture, there is more, and since its mild, each individual has different behaviours.
le through not reading the situation they are in.
Yes I am familiar with aspergers, one of my class mates had asperger. It's indeed a mild form and I remember he was very sweet. A loner, shy, had bunches of pets and was never nasty. He read a lot as well, knew everything about the subjects that mattered to him.
plus they can not read the situation they might be walking into #
they are honest and truthfull but are unable to read a situation that could be a problem to them.
sounds like somebody we know.
Indeed!
Dear Lord, MJ hasn't been THAT naive in the past..!! Most of the stories like that aren't even true.. I think he's so underestimated in that way..
I can´t believe what I am reading. Schizophrenia, autism, DID, Mind control...wow....WOW
Post-traumatic strees, leading to anxiety and this combined with seasonal depression it´s what I can "deduct" from videos and that is not even accurate, since we can´t tell when Michael was not acting. As soon as lights were on, he went on the act, he confirmed that.
I agree with you. I see people making "on-line diagnoses" in more than one thread, that really should be made by a Genetist, a Psychiatrist or a Psycologist.
You need to be a professional, you need experience. They make their diagnoses after meet face to face the patient in a couple or more appointments, they dig deep into their life stories, they need their family's versions sometimes, they need to discuss it with other professionals, to have more than one opinion... And even after all this, you may not going to have a clear/ unique diagnose.
The only fact is that we don't know the patient, we don't know his kids and we don't know his story. You can keep speculating if you want, though...
Thanks.
I take the time to also add that it takes 6 months of meetings before diagnosing anybody at the level being discussed here and this would be jointly with a clinical psychologist and a doctor in psyachtry face to face with the client and the family members. Meantime, the client is supervised with the trial and error medication untill gets stable.
Even if chlorpromazine has been discussed as a drug to treat Schizophrenia, it is also used for is also used to control nausea and vomiting, to relieve hiccups, to relieve restlessness and nervousness that may occur just before surgery, to treat acute intermittent porphyria (condition in which certain natural substances build up in the body and cause stomach pain, changes in thinking and behavior, and other symptoms).
Chlorpromazine is also used along with other medications to treat tetanus (a serious infection that may cause tightening of the muscles, especially the jaw muscle).
So, still, I don´t get where all this psychiatric "diagnoses" come from.
Gema and Jude, I am not going to take sides but I want the fighting to stop!
And this thread is about possibilities, not to diagnose him. This whole forum is about theories and no one is claiming to know the truth. Because it's not a fan based website, but an investigative website, these kinds of theories are allowed, as long as we keep it respectful.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I said both. Where two fight, both are wrong one way or another. Please stop it, because I think this thread is way too important to be locked. Just agree to disagree and ignore each other.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
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That's why I am not convinced that an Autistic child would be easy to mind control. They are in their own little world. If someone were to try that with my son he would invert into himself and would probably completely shut down and quit talking all together. I have witnessed children at school making fun of him and thank God he does not seem to internalize it. But again if he did he probably would not be able to tell us, as he does not know how to convey those feelings. I would not even venture to say what things Michael has endured in his life as I was not witness to it and therefore will not speculate on it. Only Michael knows what happened to him and just maybe he would like to forget it and put it behind him.
Gob Bless you all, I love you!
God bless your boy, and may he always have a loving mother like you to love him <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
And that is exactly what they want, to push away the core person and have the alters surface.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Thank you Jude, that means a lot! Although I would not change a thing about my son, it is very heart breaking to have a child with learning difficulties. The things he has to endure from others that do not have his loving spirit, is very emotional to handle as a parent. I am just grateful he does not handle it as I do. It really breaks my heart, but also shows me how God works his miracles . My son has Autism, but God gave him the ability to over come it to a certain extent as he does not pay attention to the cruelty and still loves everyone!
Gob Bless you all, I love you!
God love him, and by the way I have 2 boys that could not care less about education, all they want to do is fart around on snowboard and bike and the like, I tell ya thats not easy either, watching them just throw it all away.
Evan Chandler drugged him..to do a confession.
Post-traumatic strees, leading to anxiety and this combined with seasonal depression it´s what I can "deduct" from videos and that is not even accurate, since we can´t tell when Michael was not acting. As soon as lights were on, he went on the act, he confirmed that.
Then don't read it! you are your own worst enemy Gema, sorry but it's true.
they are honest and truthfull but are unable to read a situation that could be a problem to them.
sounds like somebody we know.
Indeed!
You just keep judging me, it´s hilarious <!-- s
Whatever Jude, whatever.... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
This is a fragment from vanityfair
"When Salas testified that he had seen Jackson exhibit the effects of drinking "on a pretty much regular basis," Mesereau asked him, "And were you aware that there were times when he had a prescription-drug problem … and he had gotten a lot of injections from various physicians?" Mesereau was trying to suggest that Jackson's "appearing intoxicated" could actually be the result of taking medication for his health. However, Jackson checked into drug rehab when he was charged with molestation by Jordie Chandler in 1993, and I observed his bizarre performance on the stand when he was in Santa Maria in 2002 to testify in the civil trial he lost. A medical worker who treated Jackson that year told me recently that Jackson's bodyguards were worried about him, and that Jackson himself acknowledged how easy it was for him to obtain drugs from doctor friends. He said that Jackson traveled with a huge black suitcase containing an array of powerful prescription drugs, pre-loaded syringes, and IV bags and a collapsible IV pole, and that he spent whole days watching a video of Disney's Fantasia over and over again. He said Jackson's children got bored watching the film so many times, and he added that Prince Michael had several teeth rotting from eating too much candy. Jackson's drug use made it nearly impossible to fall asleep, and at one point he had to check into a nearby hospital and be given a powerful anesthetic in order to get rest. Once again, the medical worker said, Jackson's celebrity protected him. Stacy Brown told me, "In December of 2001, Janet, Tito, Rebbie, and Randy flew to New York for an intervention with him. He told them to leave him alone. He said, 'Look, I'll be dead in a year anyway.'"
source: <!-- m -->http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/featu ... rentPage=7<!-- m -->
The article is not very pro-Michael , but read between the lines here.
Do you remember that Murray stated that Michael slept with the lights on and with the tv playing cartoons?
With mindcontrol they use images and sound, add some drugs to it and the world will look very different... and they can handle you they way they want to.
<!-- m -->http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... dcon02.htm<!-- m -->
You can read more about disneyprogramming here.
I agree with you. I see people making "on-line diagnoses" in more than one thread, that really should be made by a Genetist, a Psychiatrist or a Psycologist.
You need to be a professional, you need experience. They make their diagnoses after meet face to face the patient in a couple or more appointments, they dig deep into their life stories, they need their family's versions sometimes, they need to discuss it with other professionals, to have more than one opinion... And even after all this, you may not going to have a clear/ unique diagnose.
The only fact is that we don't know the patient, we don't know his kids and we don't know his story. You can keep speculating if you want, though...
Thanks.
I take the time to also add that it takes 6 months of meetings before diagnosing anybody at the level being discussed here and this would be jointly with a clinical psychologist and a doctor in psyachtry face to face with the client and the family members. Meantime, the client is supervised with the trial and error medication untill gets stable.
Even if chlorpromazine has been discussed as a drug to treat Schizophrenia, it is also used for is also used to control nausea and vomiting, to relieve hiccups, to relieve restlessness and nervousness that may occur just before surgery, to treat acute intermittent porphyria (condition in which certain natural substances build up in the body and cause stomach pain, changes in thinking and behavior, and other symptoms).
Chlorpromazine is also used along with other medications to treat tetanus (a serious infection that may cause tightening of the muscles, especially the jaw muscle).
So, still, I don´t get where all this psychiatric "diagnoses" come from.
And this thread is about possibilities, not to diagnose him. This whole forum is about theories and no one is claiming to know the truth. Because it's not a fan based website, but an investigative website, these kinds of theories are allowed, as long as we keep it respectful.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I quote Jude
Comments like this are very unnecessary and unrespectful. Only proves that I am being judged out of the blue just for disagreeing with a theory.
I back up my posts whithout getting personal.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."