Mo are you still in the closet?
Mo-Cienne, here we go again!
The dog connection (chien in french is dog)
So Mo, who let the dog out???
and a small (petit for french) connection with Elvis (Eliza)
Where is my straight jacket????
Gonna sit next to Souza and Mo with popcorn....
On a Dutch forum I read about it also and there is a person who "knows" this Mociene.
Mociene came often to her shop in the past and in that time she also spoke about her father being a famous person. Later she also told it was MJ and showed her a page from a magazine with a photo of Michael ... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Noone took her serious, they discribed her as a grazy person ... <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Here's the page from this forum in Dutch.
The responder's name who told this is Tessie.
Mo are you still in the closet?
Mo-Cienne, here we go again!
The dog connection (chien in french is dog)
So Mo, who let the dog out???
and a small (petit for french) connection with Elvis (Eliza)
Where is my straight jacket????
Gonna sit next to Souza and Mo with popcorn....
<!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Chaps
Chappie you are too funny, yes she is une chienne. ( IN french chienne is feminin she is a woman right?) Well as for Eliza she was looking for her father, and it brought her to Elvis being her half brother, it is kind of different. love always
Mo are you still in the closet?
Mo-Cienne, here we go again!
The dog connection (chien in french is dog)
So Mo, who let the dog out???
and a small (petit for french) connection with Elvis (Eliza)
Where is my straight jacket????
Gonna sit next to Souza and Mo with popcorn....
<!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Chaps
Chappie you are too funny, yes she is une chienne. ( IN french chienne is feminin she is a woman right?) Well as for Eliza she was looking for her father, and it brought her to Elvis being her half brother, it is kind of different. love always
What if Michael is Mocienne's half brother, too?
Joe being the one?
(Remember the target cross on his hat and the glissy sweat on his arm on one of Katherine's photos). Would it surprise us? Not me.
(BTW on that picture, the left hand does NOT look like Joe's. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> )
After my second request for a copy of Mocienne Elizabeth Petit Jackson's claim was rejected by RTL Boulevard this morning and their refusal to tell me who their source is I decided to make another screenshot of that claim and take a second look at it.
I don't understand something, Why does a person who thinks that MJ is the father wait until the death to come out? Wouldn't you want to know your father when he is alive and well? Why come out when a person is dead? Same as the DonteRJackson and the other fellow I forgot his name. I feel if you think you are a loved child, and you want to come forward, is when the parent is alive, so you can be with that parent, bond with the parent, be loved from the parent. I know and feel it this is just a scam to make money. Mocienne, DonteRJackson, should be ashamed of themselves. Honesty is the best policy. Blessings !
On a Dutch forum I read about it also and there is a person who "knows" this Mociene.
Mociene came often to her shop in the past and in that time she also spoke about her father being a famous person. Later she also told it was MJ and showed her a page from a magazine with a photo of Michael ... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Noone took her serious, they discribed her as a grazy person ... <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Here's the page from this forum in Dutch.
The responder's name who told this is Tessie.
Hey.. she might be crazy.. she might be SANE! That would be crazy. If she sane, will she make it back home alive? I am not saying what would happen, but so many people connected to Michael have died mysteriously.
But, I lean toward mental illness. I had a cousin who looked just like Elvis and because people called him that he believed he was him and also I travel to a town where a guy rides around town on his bicycle or walks around with a guitar. He truly believes he is Elvis and asks people if they want an autograph.
Mocienne is registered in Hilversum with the last name -- Petit-. single and born in Haiti[/b]
So when did she change that last name- Petit- into Jackson-? Did MJJ acknowledge her one sunny day or was it any old Jackson from god knows where? She should show her birth certificate , put it on her web site, that would also have her biological mother's name. If she does that and mum's maiden name is Ross we might have a problem <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
I'm still trying to figure out what on earth is going on here. As far as I can tell - the petition she filed has nothing to do with a request for a DNA test.
There are a couple of scenarios possible, and I'm going to write down some questions I have, some thoughts, and some scenarios...
I want to emphasize that as of now, we have no idea what MPJ's nationality is. Last Thursday I called the Haitian embassy and asked that if a baby is born in Haiti, will it automatically get the Haitian nationality. The answer was: "No, that depends on the nationality of the parents.".
First of all, we have the name issue. On her website she writes:
Katherine Esther Jackson took away a part of my individuality by deleting the Jackson name from my official documents when she had me taken away against my will from Haiti to the USA and then to Europe in 1984.
On July 23 2010 she filed a petition with the LA Superior Court stating her name is Mocienne Elizabeth Petit Jackson:
My first questions are: How did she manage to get the name Jackson back on her legal document, showing her identity? Filing a petition would require identification I'd say, right? If so (and if this claim is real) then she must have shown a passport or ID stating her legal name is Mocienne Elizabeth Petit Jackson. If her legal last name is Jackson, then a person with the last name Jackson must have given permission to adopt the Jackson name, or she must have shown a legal birth certificate stating her last name is Jackson. The last option immediately leads to a new question: if she possesses a birth certificate stating her last name is Jackson, then why would she wait until after June 3 2009 to change her last name?
Second: The petition filed by MPJ is a Petition for Probate (Probate Decedents Estates): <!-- m -->http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/documents/de111.pdf<!-- m --> The marked checkbox shows "Authorization to Administer Under the Independent Administration of Estates Act".
Authorization to administer under Independent Administration of Estates Act: The California Probate Code allows a somewhat simplified formal probate administration. Essentially, it eliminates the requirement of obtaining court approval for many of the common transactions undertaken by the personal representative. However, some actions are not exempt and require either express court approval or written notice to all beneficiaries of a proposed course of action, giving them a period of 15 days in which to lodge an objection before the action is taken (§§ 10400-10600).
<!-- m -->http://www.monstermind.com/John%20C.%20 ... 202002.htm<!-- m -->
Since we can only see a small part of MPJ's petition on the screenshot we have no idea what is marked or written in addition.
Question: wouldn't she need some kind of proof to show that she is "entitled" to file this petition? I'd say that if no proof is needed, anyone can file a petition like that with the LA Superior Court and the court would have a full time job with hearings about that.
Scenarios:
[li]This whole petition is bogus, the whole Estate being in probate is bogus, and this is merely a part of the script to start digging and discover there's no one in that tomb.[/li]
[li]MPJ is telling the truth and somehow was provided with evidence that she is indeed Michael Jackson's daughter.[/li]
[li]This is planned by the bad camp, who are still trying to get a hold of Mike's money and assets.[/li]
Scenario 3 came in mind after reading this line on MPJ's website:
When I was reunited with my father in 2001 by the Sony Music team, the name Jackson was at that moment no longer important to me, so I told my father; just Petit was fine with me.
We all know that Sony conspired against Mike, first by boycotting the promotion of Invincible:
Start at 2:22
[youtube:3czc8rq7]
Mike about Sony:
[youtube:3czc8rq7]
As far as Souza and I'm concerned a double with bad intentions or a double instructed by bad camp was placed years ago already, causing all kinds of trouble for Mike, including financial trouble (pointing out to the various signatures again). That double was put out of play when Mike "died".
If MPJ is on the bad camp's side and met the bad double instead of Mike, this whole "I'm Michael Jackson's daughter" thing might be a way of bad camp trying to get control again, and she could have a document stating she's his daughter which is signed by the double...
She works with ill people.
To do that you will have to be sane. If she is not im worried..
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( gets popcorn)
Just because she works with ill people doesn't mean she can't be suffering from a mental illness.
I have studied abnormal psychology and criminal psychology at University (amongst other things). My main topic of interest was female serial killers. Now, I am not saying this woman is a serial killer at all. I bring it up only as an example to show that working in the medical field does not exclude one from being mentally ill. One of the categories of female serial killers is "The Angel Of Death".
The Angel of Death - systematically kills people who are in her care for some form of medical attention
People working in any field can be mentally ill and there are degrees of mental illness depending on what may be affecting them.
Delusional Disorder
Delusional disorder, previously called paranoid disorder, is a type of serious mental illness called a "psychosis" in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue. People with delusional disorder experience non-bizarre delusions, which involve situations that could occur in real life, such as being followed, poisoned, deceived, conspired against, or loved from a distance. These delusions usually involve the misinterpretation of perceptions or experiences. In reality, however, the situations are either not true at all or highly exaggerated.
People with delusional disorder often can continue to socialize and function normally, apart from the subject of their delusion, and generally do not behave in an obviously odd or bizarre manner. This is unlike people with other psychotic disorders, who also might have delusions as a symptom of their disorder. In some cases, however, people with delusional disorder might become so preoccupied with their delusions that their lives are disrupted.
Although delusions might be a symptom of more common disorders, such as schizophrenia, delusional disorder itself is rather rare. Delusional disorder most often occurs in middle to late life and is slightly more common in women than in men.
Types of Delusional Disorder
There are different types of delusional disorder based on the main theme of the delusions experienced. The types of delusional disorder include:
* Erotomanic: Someone with this type of delusional disorder often believes that another person, often someone important or famous, is in love with him or her. The person might attempt to contact the object of the delusion, and stalking behavior is not uncommon. (this is not the only delusion in this category, just the most common)
* Grandiose: A person with this type of delusional disorder has an over-inflated sense of worth, power, knowledge, or identity. The person might believe he or she has a great talent or has made an important discovery.
* Jealous: A person with this type of delusional disorder believes that his or her spouse or sexual partner is unfaithful.
* Persecutory: People with this type of delusional disorder believe that they (or someone close to them) are being mistreated, or that someone is spying on them or planning to harm them. It is not uncommon for people with this type of delusional disorder to make repeated complaints to legal authorities.
* Somatic: A person with this type of delusional disorder believes that he or she has a physical defect or medical problem.
* Mixed: People with this type of delusional disorder have two or more of the types of delusions listed above.
What Are the Symptoms of Delusional Disorder?
The presence of non-bizarre delusions is the most obvious symptom of this disorder. Other symptoms that mighty appear include:
* An irritable, angry, or low mood
* Hallucinations (seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not really there) that are related to the delusion (For example, a person who believes he or she has an odor problem may smell a bad odor.)
My first questions are: How did she manage to get the name Jackson back on her legal document, showing her identity? Filing a petition would require identification I'd say, right? If so (and if this claim is real) then she must have shown a passport or ID stating her legal name is Mocienne Elizabeth Petit Jackson. If her legal last name is Jackson, then a person with the last name Jackson must have given permission to adopt the Jackson name, or she must have shown a legal birth certificate stating her last name is Jackson. The last option immediately leads to a new question: if she possesses a birth certificate stating her last name is Jackson, then why would she wait until after June 3 2009 to change her last name?
When an individual legally changes their name, they must surrender their old Birth Certificate and it is destroyed. They are then issued a new Birth Certificate with this new name. This is done even if you are only adding a last name. The only instance that this does not occur in is if a woman gets married and assumes her husband's last name.
So she could have changed her name legally and then she would have a Birth Certificate with that name on it. All other identification such as passports, certificates etc. would also then be in that name as well. People with delusional disorder frequently function normally except in regards to their delusion. If she believes that her real name is Jackson and Katherine removed that from her Birth Certificate, she may have in her mind, put things right by changing her last name to "Jackson"
If she believes that her real name is Jackson and Katherine removed that from her Birth Certificate, she may have in her mind, put things right by changing her last name to "Jackson"
That depends on her nationality. If she now has the Dutch nationality, there is absolutely no way she can change her name to anything she wants. We have extremely strict laws about that. In order to adopt someone else's name you have to provide solid proof that you are connected to that person (biological parent or step parent) and you need permission from that person to adopt his/her name.
This story is a 'little' bit weird....
Did she request the DNA test, or isn't it "administrate the Michael Jackson's estate"...??
I'm not familiar with the California law, but we have two different requests here.
TMZ wrote:
But we also have:
On July 23 2010 she filed a petition with the LA Superior Court stating her name is Mocienne Elizabeth Petit Jackson:
My first questions are: How did she manage to get the name Jackson back on her legal document, showing her identity? Filing a petition would require identification I'd say, right? If so (and if this claim is real) then she must have shown a passport or ID stating her legal name is Mocienne Elizabeth Petit Jackson. If her legal last name is Jackson, then a person with the last name Jackson must have given permission to adopt the Jackson name, or she must have shown a legal birth certificate stating her last name is Jackson. The last option immediately leads to a new question: if she possesses a birth certificate stating her last name is Jackson, then why would she wait until after June 3 2009 to change her last name?
Second: The petition filed by MPJ is a Petition for Probate (Probate Decedents Estates): <!-- m -->http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/documents/de111.pdf<!-- m --> The marked checkbox shows "Authorization to Administer Under the Independent Administration of Estates Act".
Authorization to administer under Independent Administration of Estates Act: The California Probate Code allows a somewhat simplified formal probate administration. Essentially, it eliminates the requirement of obtaining court approval for many of the common transactions undertaken by the personal representative. However, some actions are not exempt and require either express court approval or written notice to all beneficiaries of a proposed course of action, giving them a period of 15 days in which to lodge an objection before the action is taken (§§ 10400-10600).
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As Mo already said, if she uses already the name Jackson, why did TMZ write that she requested the DNA test..? Who gave her that name..? Is she really a Jackson..?
Harvey, I have a request for you as well, could you provide us those papers??????
Second: The petition filed by MPJ is a Petition for Probate (Probate Decedents Estates): <!-- m -->http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/documents/de111.pdf<!-- m --> The marked checkbox shows "Authorization to Administer Under the Independent Administration of Estates Act".
Authorization to administer under Independent Administration of Estates Act: The California Probate Code allows a somewhat simplified formal probate administration. Essentially, it eliminates the requirement of obtaining court approval for many of the common transactions undertaken by the personal representative. However, some actions are not exempt and require either express court approval or written notice to all beneficiaries of a proposed course of action, giving them a period of 15 days in which to lodge an objection before the action is taken (§§ 10400-10600).
<!-- m -->http://www.monstermind.com/John%20C.%20 ... 202002.htm<!-- m -->
Since we can only see a small part of MPJ's petition on the screenshot we have no idea what is marked or written in addition.
Question: wouldn't she need some kind of proof to show that she is "entitled" to file this petition? I'd say that if no proof is needed, anyone can file a petition like that with the LA Superior Court and the court would have a full time job with hearings about that.
PROBATE CODE SECTION 11600-11605
11600. The personal representative or an interested person may petition the court under this chapter for an order for preliminary or final distribution of the decedent's estate to the persons entitled thereto.
Anyone can go to the Probate Clerk's office and review the documents. Unscrupulous individuals may review Court files and determine that valuable assets have been distributed to elderly or immature beneficiaries and attempt to take advantage of a beneficiary. Nosey neighbors, competitors of a family business, and others can review court files to try to uncover a family's dirty linen, squabbles, etc. http://www.hgoiitax.com/willstrusts.html
Anyone can make a claim as an interested party. The judge then decides whether to accept the claim or dismiss it but a hearing is still scheduled for her to appear before the judge and state her case for consideration.
Anyone can review the documents etc when an estate is in probate.
She is going to represent herself in the court, right..? So she should be american and live in California to be able to do it, right..? It's like you need a Californian laywer to represent yourself in the California court...
So that means she is an american and and she lives in California...? <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
If she believes that her real name is Jackson and Katherine removed that from her Birth Certificate, she may have in her mind, put things right by changing her last name to "Jackson"
That depends on her nationality. If she now has the Dutch nationality, there is absolutely no way she can change her name to anything she wants. We have extremely strict laws about that. In order to adopt someone else's name you have to provide solid proof that you are connected to that person (biological parent or step parent) and you need permission from that person to adopt his/her name.
I have been reading others sites as well on changing your name and they are saying that you can just change it by assuming that name. Not specifically the Netherlands but the UK, Canada, US etc.
UK site
How to change your name
If you wish to be known by a different name you can change your name at any time, provided you do not intend to deceive or defraud another person. There is no legal procedure to follow in order to change a name. You simply start using the new name. You can change your forename or surname, add names or rearrange your existing names.
Although there is no legal way to change a name, you may want evidence that you have changed your name (see under heading Evidence of change of name). However, you cannot change details on your birth certificate, except in limited circumstances.
Once you have decided to change your name, you can use the new name for all purposes, for example, publishing marriage bans, legal proceedings and obtaining, or changing details on a driving licence or passport.
Evidence of change of name
You do not need legal proof that you have changed your name, provided that you can be identified by your new chosen name. However, there are some circumstances, for example, applying for a passport, when additional evidence of the change of name is required. The evidence required varies depending on the purpose for which it is needed and can include:-
* a letter from a responsible person
* a public announcement
* a statutory declaration
* a deed poll.
Letter
A letter from a responsible person, such as a GP, solicitor, minister, priest or MP, will often be enough evidence that you have changed your name. The letter should state that the person has known you in both names and that the change of name is to be used for all purposes. A letter will not be enough evidence if you are applying for a passport.
Public announcement
You may want to record your name change by placing an advertisement in a local or national newspaper. This should state that you have stopped using your previous name and have assumed a new one. A copy of the advertisement can then be used as evidence that you have changed your name.
Statutory declaration
For most purposes, a statutory declaration is generally accepted as evidence of your change of name.
A statutory declaration is a statement, recording your intention to abandon your old name and adopt a new one.
Deed poll
A deed poll is a formal statement to prove that your name has been changed. For most people it will not be necessary to prepare a deed poll as evidence that they have changed their name. However, there may be cases when a deed poll is required, for example, when applying for a passport. http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_family/family/change_of_name.htm
For some reason I can't seem to get on the LA Superior Court website. If anyone else can, there is a listing of the petitioners there, which will let you see the petitioners. Then we will know by which name she filed this petition, though if she has just assumed the name "Jackson", she may have filed using that name. That doesn't mean that she is actually a Jackson though.
Go here Superior Court Of California County of Los Angeles: <!-- m -->http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/probate/<!-- m --> Click Case Summary on the left, scroll to the bottom and put the Case Number: BP117321 in the the box on the bottom of the page. Then select the petitioners list.
Can someone please explain to me, how come she has an Haitian name but yet Katherine shipped her away and now she lives in the Netherlands. Was she ever in Haiti? Haitian people adopted her, and that's why she has Haitian name? I am very lost. Mocienne Petit is an Haitian name, that is a fact because I have Haitian friends. How does that explain? What I am trying to say, if she has an haitian name it cannot be MJ and Dr. Ross child.. Maybe I missed something by reading all your posts.
For some reason I can't seem to get on the LA Superior Court website. If anyone else can, there is a listing of the petitioners there, which will let you see the petitioners. Then we will know by which name she filed this petition, though if she has just assumed the name "Jackson", she may have filed using that name. That doesn't mean that she is actually a Jackson though.
Go here Superior Court Of California County of Los Angeles: <!-- m -->http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/probate/<!-- m --> Click Case Summary on the left, scroll to the bottom and put the Case Number: BP117321 in the the box on the bottom of the page. Then select the petitioners list.
I already posted that on the 28th:
Well, JMP is now listed as a petitioner on the website of the Superior Court:
For some reason I can't seem to get on the LA Superior Court website. If anyone else can, there is a listing of the petitioners there, which will let you see the petitioners. Then we will know by which name she filed this petition, though if she has just assumed the name "Jackson", she may have filed using that name. That doesn't mean that she is actually a Jackson though.
Go here Superior Court Of California County of Los Angeles: <!-- m -->http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/probate/<!-- m --> Click Case Summary on the left, scroll to the bottom and put the Case Number: BP117321 in the the box on the bottom of the page. Then select the petitioners list.
I already posted that on the 28th:
Well, JMP is now listed as a petitioner on the website of the Superior Court:
JACKSON MOCIENNE ELIZABETH PETIT - Petitioner
Okay thank you. I was just wondering what name she used. It still doesn't mean anything though. She could have assumed the last name Jackson. It would still be considered her legal name because it is the one she is known by, even if she didn't file papers to actually change it to that. By assuming the name and going by that name, it is recognized in at least some legal jurisdictions, such as the US, as having changed her last name to Jackson.
I just find it odd that there is this legal loop hole that you can call yourself any thing you want and that then that is your name. Seems ridiculous.
Petit Mocienne Elizabeth Jackson, upon submission of a passport or other document in which she appears as Jackson also serious false. As a person can change or add a surname without a birth certificate (here I speak from what I know of the laws of my country), I could change my name or remove a name, but the process is so lengthy and complicated that almost nobody does.
Maybe she thinks is really teorria Jackson and a double is correct, and this double is responsible for many of the problems with Michael.
Changing your name just like that - as described - is not feasible in many countries where authorities even would take a misspell of a name very serious (Mitchall is not equal Mitchell) and fine you.
However, if this "free Willy" procedure is correct and a standard procedure, this opens the horizon how it was feasible to have a "Michael Joe Jackson" and a "Michael Joseph Jackson" in parallel. A twist of names like this to identify one person would not be tolerated in many countries.
(Not dismissing the possibility that there might have been two persons pretending to be one person, however. In fact, the potential authorization of these names as identification for one person by authorities speaks volumes.)
But the bazaar may not necessarily only be found in Kairo - this is false for sure. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Petit Mocienne Elizabeth Jackson, upon submission of a passport or other document in which she appears as Jackson also serious false. As a person can change or add a surname without a birth certificate (here I speak from what I know of the laws of my country), I could change my name or remove a name, but the process is so lengthy and complicated that almost nobody does.
Maybe she thinks is really teorria Jackson and a double is correct, and this double is responsible for many of the problems with Michael.
To this I wrote, I forgot to add, well if you get a couple of corrupt officials, we can accomplish anything
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Mo-Cienne, here we go again!
The dog connection (chien in french is dog)
So Mo, who let the dog out???
and a small (petit for french) connection with Elvis (Eliza)
Where is my straight jacket????
Gonna sit next to Souza and Mo with popcorn....
<!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Chaps
On a Dutch forum I read about it also and there is a person who "knows" this Mociene.
Mociene came often to her shop in the past and in that time she also spoke about her father being a famous person. Later she also told it was MJ and showed her a page from a magazine with a photo of Michael ... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Noone took her serious, they discribed her as a grazy person ... <!-- s
Here's the page from this forum in Dutch.
The responder's name who told this is Tessie.
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Chappie you are too funny, yes she is une chienne. ( IN french chienne is feminin she is a woman right?) Well as for Eliza she was looking for her father, and it brought her to Elvis being her half brother, it is kind of different. love always
What if Michael is Mocienne's half brother, too?
Joe being the one?
(Remember the target cross on his hat and the glissy sweat on his arm on one of Katherine's photos). Would it surprise us? Not me.
(BTW on that picture, the left hand does NOT look like Joe's. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> )
Hey.. she might be crazy.. she might be SANE! That would be crazy. If she sane, will she make it back home alive? I am not saying what would happen, but so many people connected to Michael have died mysteriously.
But, I lean toward mental illness. I had a cousin who looked just like Elvis and because people called him that he believed he was him and also I travel to a town where a guy rides around town on his bicycle or walks around with a guitar. He truly believes he is Elvis and asks people if they want an autograph.
To do that you will have to be sane. If she is not im worried..
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( gets popcorn)
So when did she change that last name- Petit- into Jackson-? Did MJJ acknowledge her one sunny day or was it any old Jackson from god knows where? She should show her birth certificate , put it on her web site, that would also have her biological mother's name. If she does that and mum's maiden name is Ross we might have a problem <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
I'm still trying to figure out what on earth is going on here. As far as I can tell - the petition she filed has nothing to do with a request for a DNA test.
There are a couple of scenarios possible, and I'm going to write down some questions I have, some thoughts, and some scenarios...
I want to emphasize that as of now, we have no idea what MPJ's nationality is. Last Thursday I called the Haitian embassy and asked that if a baby is born in Haiti, will it automatically get the Haitian nationality. The answer was: "No, that depends on the nationality of the parents.".
First of all, we have the name issue. On her website she writes:
On her website she's showing a certificate from the Soest town hall, stamped June 3 2009, stating her name is Mocienne Elizabeth Petit: <!-- m -->http://www.mpjjacksonrevelation.com/sit ... chrift.jpg<!-- m -->
On July 23 2010 she filed a petition with the LA Superior Court stating her name is Mocienne Elizabeth Petit Jackson:
My first questions are: How did she manage to get the name Jackson back on her legal document, showing her identity? Filing a petition would require identification I'd say, right? If so (and if this claim is real) then she must have shown a passport or ID stating her legal name is Mocienne Elizabeth Petit Jackson. If her legal last name is Jackson, then a person with the last name Jackson must have given permission to adopt the Jackson name, or she must have shown a legal birth certificate stating her last name is Jackson. The last option immediately leads to a new question: if she possesses a birth certificate stating her last name is Jackson, then why would she wait until after June 3 2009 to change her last name?
Second: The petition filed by MPJ is a Petition for Probate (Probate Decedents Estates): <!-- m -->http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/documents/de111.pdf<!-- m --> The marked checkbox shows "Authorization to Administer Under the Independent Administration of Estates Act".
Since we can only see a small part of MPJ's petition on the screenshot we have no idea what is marked or written in addition.
Question: wouldn't she need some kind of proof to show that she is "entitled" to file this petition? I'd say that if no proof is needed, anyone can file a petition like that with the LA Superior Court and the court would have a full time job with hearings about that.
Scenarios:
[li]This whole petition is bogus, the whole Estate being in probate is bogus, and this is merely a part of the script to start digging and discover there's no one in that tomb.[/li] [li]MPJ is telling the truth and somehow was provided with evidence that she is indeed Michael Jackson's daughter.[/li] [li]This is planned by the bad camp, who are still trying to get a hold of Mike's money and assets.[/li]
Scenario 3 came in mind after reading this line on MPJ's website:
We all know that Sony conspired against Mike, first by boycotting the promotion of Invincible:
Start at 2:22
[youtube:3czc8rq7]
Mike about Sony:
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As far as Souza and I'm concerned a double with bad intentions or a double instructed by bad camp was placed years ago already, causing all kinds of trouble for Mike, including financial trouble (pointing out to the various signatures again). That double was put out of play when Mike "died".
If MPJ is on the bad camp's side and met the bad double instead of Mike, this whole "I'm Michael Jackson's daughter" thing might be a way of bad camp trying to get control again, and she could have a document stating she's his daughter which is signed by the double...
Just because she works with ill people doesn't mean she can't be suffering from a mental illness.
I have studied abnormal psychology and criminal psychology at University (amongst other things). My main topic of interest was female serial killers. Now, I am not saying this woman is a serial killer at all. I bring it up only as an example to show that working in the medical field does not exclude one from being mentally ill. One of the categories of female serial killers is "The Angel Of Death".
The Angel of Death - systematically kills people who are in her care for some form of medical attention
People working in any field can be mentally ill and there are degrees of mental illness depending on what may be affecting them.
Delusional Disorder
Delusional disorder, previously called paranoid disorder, is a type of serious mental illness called a "psychosis" in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue. People with delusional disorder experience non-bizarre delusions, which involve situations that could occur in real life, such as being followed, poisoned, deceived, conspired against, or loved from a distance. These delusions usually involve the misinterpretation of perceptions or experiences. In reality, however, the situations are either not true at all or highly exaggerated.
People with delusional disorder often can continue to socialize and function normally, apart from the subject of their delusion, and generally do not behave in an obviously odd or bizarre manner. This is unlike people with other psychotic disorders, who also might have delusions as a symptom of their disorder. In some cases, however, people with delusional disorder might become so preoccupied with their delusions that their lives are disrupted.
Although delusions might be a symptom of more common disorders, such as schizophrenia, delusional disorder itself is rather rare. Delusional disorder most often occurs in middle to late life and is slightly more common in women than in men.
Types of Delusional Disorder
There are different types of delusional disorder based on the main theme of the delusions experienced. The types of delusional disorder include:
* Erotomanic: Someone with this type of delusional disorder often believes that another person, often someone important or famous, is in love with him or her. The person might attempt to contact the object of the delusion, and stalking behavior is not uncommon. (this is not the only delusion in this category, just the most common)
* Grandiose: A person with this type of delusional disorder has an over-inflated sense of worth, power, knowledge, or identity. The person might believe he or she has a great talent or has made an important discovery.
* Jealous: A person with this type of delusional disorder believes that his or her spouse or sexual partner is unfaithful.
* Persecutory: People with this type of delusional disorder believe that they (or someone close to them) are being mistreated, or that someone is spying on them or planning to harm them. It is not uncommon for people with this type of delusional disorder to make repeated complaints to legal authorities.
* Somatic: A person with this type of delusional disorder believes that he or she has a physical defect or medical problem.
* Mixed: People with this type of delusional disorder have two or more of the types of delusions listed above.
What Are the Symptoms of Delusional Disorder?
The presence of non-bizarre delusions is the most obvious symptom of this disorder. Other symptoms that mighty appear include:
* An irritable, angry, or low mood
* Hallucinations (seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not really there) that are related to the delusion (For example, a person who believes he or she has an odor problem may smell a bad odor.)
http://www.minddisorders.com/Br-Del/Delusional-disorder.html
When an individual legally changes their name, they must surrender their old Birth Certificate and it is destroyed. They are then issued a new Birth Certificate with this new name. This is done even if you are only adding a last name. The only instance that this does not occur in is if a woman gets married and assumes her husband's last name.
So she could have changed her name legally and then she would have a Birth Certificate with that name on it. All other identification such as passports, certificates etc. would also then be in that name as well. People with delusional disorder frequently function normally except in regards to their delusion. If she believes that her real name is Jackson and Katherine removed that from her Birth Certificate, she may have in her mind, put things right by changing her last name to "Jackson"
That depends on her nationality. If she now has the Dutch nationality, there is absolutely no way she can change her name to anything she wants. We have extremely strict laws about that. In order to adopt someone else's name you have to provide solid proof that you are connected to that person (biological parent or step parent) and you need permission from that person to adopt his/her name.
Did she request the DNA test, or isn't it "administrate the Michael Jackson's estate"...??
I'm not familiar with the California law, but we have two different requests here.
TMZ wrote:
But we also have:
As Mo already said, if she uses already the name Jackson, why did TMZ write that she requested the DNA test..? Who gave her that name..? Is she really a Jackson..?
Harvey, I have a request for you as well, could you provide us those papers??????
PROBATE CODE
SECTION 11600-11605
11600. The personal representative or an interested person may petition the court under this chapter for an order for preliminary or final distribution of the decedent's estate to the persons entitled thereto.
11602. The personal representative or any interested person may oppose the petition.
http://law.justia.com/california/codes/prob/11600-11605.html
Anyone can go to the Probate Clerk's office and review the documents. Unscrupulous individuals may review Court files and determine that valuable assets have been distributed to elderly or immature beneficiaries and attempt to take advantage of a beneficiary. Nosey neighbors, competitors of a family business, and others can review court files to try to uncover a family's dirty linen, squabbles, etc.
http://www.hgoiitax.com/willstrusts.html
Anyone can make a claim as an interested party. The judge then decides whether to accept the claim or dismiss it but a hearing is still scheduled for her to appear before the judge and state her case for consideration.
Anyone can review the documents etc when an estate is in probate.
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I have been reading others sites as well on changing your name and they are saying that you can just change it by assuming that name. Not specifically the Netherlands but the UK, Canada, US etc.
UK site
How to change your name
If you wish to be known by a different name you can change your name at any time, provided you do not intend to deceive or defraud another person. There is no legal procedure to follow in order to change a name. You simply start using the new name. You can change your forename or surname, add names or rearrange your existing names.
Although there is no legal way to change a name, you may want evidence that you have changed your name (see under heading Evidence of change of name). However, you cannot change details on your birth certificate, except in limited circumstances.
Once you have decided to change your name, you can use the new name for all purposes, for example, publishing marriage bans, legal proceedings and obtaining, or changing details on a driving licence or passport.
Evidence of change of name
You do not need legal proof that you have changed your name, provided that you can be identified by your new chosen name. However, there are some circumstances, for example, applying for a passport, when additional evidence of the change of name is required. The evidence required varies depending on the purpose for which it is needed and can include:-
* a letter from a responsible person
* a public announcement
* a statutory declaration
* a deed poll.
Letter
A letter from a responsible person, such as a GP, solicitor, minister, priest or MP, will often be enough evidence that you have changed your name. The letter should state that the person has known you in both names and that the change of name is to be used for all purposes. A letter will not be enough evidence if you are applying for a passport.
Public announcement
You may want to record your name change by placing an advertisement in a local or national newspaper. This should state that you have stopped using your previous name and have assumed a new one. A copy of the advertisement can then be used as evidence that you have changed your name.
Statutory declaration
For most purposes, a statutory declaration is generally accepted as evidence of your change of name.
A statutory declaration is a statement, recording your intention to abandon your old name and adopt a new one.
Deed poll
A deed poll is a formal statement to prove that your name has been changed. For most people it will not be necessary to prepare a deed poll as evidence that they have changed their name. However, there may be cases when a deed poll is required, for example, when applying for a passport.
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_family/family/change_of_name.htm
Go here Superior Court Of California County of Los Angeles: <!-- m -->http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/probate/<!-- m --> Click Case Summary on the left, scroll to the bottom and put the Case Number: BP117321 in the the box on the bottom of the page. Then select the petitioners list.
I already posted that on the 28th:
Okay thank you. I was just wondering what name she used. It still doesn't mean anything though. She could have assumed the last name Jackson. It would still be considered her legal name because it is the one she is known by, even if she didn't file papers to actually change it to that. By assuming the name and going by that name, it is recognized in at least some legal jurisdictions, such as the US, as having changed her last name to Jackson.
I just find it odd that there is this legal loop hole that you can call yourself any thing you want and that then that is your name. Seems ridiculous.
Maybe she thinks is really teorria Jackson and a double is correct, and this double is responsible for many of the problems with Michael.
However, if this "free Willy" procedure is correct and a standard procedure, this opens the horizon how it was feasible to have a "Michael Joe Jackson" and a "Michael Joseph Jackson" in parallel. A twist of names like this to identify one person would not be tolerated in many countries.
(Not dismissing the possibility that there might have been two persons pretending to be one person, however. In fact, the potential authorization of these names as identification for one person by authorities speaks volumes.)
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Maybe she thinks is really teorria Jackson and a double is correct, and this double is responsible for many of the problems with Michael.
To this I wrote, I forgot to add, well if you get a couple of corrupt officials, we can accomplish anything