A tiny little hunch or spark if you will, stays inside of me, call it hope or reaching, but it just nags at me, a feeling that Michael is alive and to this day his actual real look is like the BAD era. Maybe a little older looking, a little thinner but still BAD. I think we saw a lot more make up and disguise type faces on Michael than we saw his true look after the BAD years. I think he may have pulled some magic over on us all for quite some time.
That is exactly what I think as well. I pointed out a few pictures months ago where we see him with less make-up and where you still see the same MJ as in the BAD-era, just a little older. <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=19&t=8979&<!-- l -->
And there are other pictures. I think the wigs and the make-up created one big illusion. No one can change back and forth so many times.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
You know, when I was a kid I wondered what "BAD" stood for. I understood how he meant it, but I always thought that since all the letters were capitalized that maybe it was also an acronym.
AD is a common abbreviation for "After Death" especially when referring to Christ.
What if BAD stands for...Back After Death....? Which would be interesting because "Back" has a double meaning. He is BACK and he is back, literally.
That would also make sense if it was when he started planning this hoax...
Just an idea.
That's really interesting. Especially when you sing the actual song, and replace every "BAD" with "Back After Death"....I was too lazy to replace all of the "BAD"s
Your butt is mine
Gonna take you right
Just show your face
In broad daylight
I’m telling you
On how I feel
Gonna hurt your mind
Don’t shoot to kill
Come on, come on,
Lay it on me all right
I’m giving you
On count of three
To show your stuff
Or let it be
I’m telling you
Just watch your mouth
I know your game
What you’re about
Well they say the sky’s the limit
And to me that’s really true
But my friend you have seen nothing
Just wait ’til I get through
Because I’m back after death, I’m back after death
Come on
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
You know I’m bad, I’m bad
You know it
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
You know I’m bad, I’m bad
Come on, you know
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
And the whole world has to
Answer right now
Just to tell you once again,
Who’s bad
The word is out
You’re doin’ wrong
Gonna lock you up
Before too long,
Your lyin’ eyes
Gonna take you right
So listen up
Don’t make a fight,
Your talk is cheap
You’re not a man
You’re throwin’ stones
To hide your hands
But they say the sky’s the limit
And to me that’s really true
And my friends you have seen nothin’
Just wait ’til I get through
Because I’m bad, I’m bad
Come on
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
You know I’m bad, I’m bad
You know it
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
You know I’m bad, I’m bad
You know it, you know
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
And the whole world has to
Answer right now
(And the whole world has to answer right now)
Just to tell you once again,
(Just to tell you once again)
Who’s bad
We can change the world tomorrow
This could be a better place
If you don’t like what I’m sayin’
Then won’t you slap my face
Because I’m bad, I’m bad
Come on
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
You know I’m bad, I’m bad
You know it
(bad bad – really, really bad)
You know I’m bad, I’m bad
You know it, you know
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
Woo! Woo! Woo!
(And the whole world has To answer right now Just to tell you once again)
You know I’m bad, I’m bad
Come on
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
You know I’m bad, I’m bad
You know it – you know it
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
You know, you know, you
Know, come on
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
And the whole world has to
Answer right now
(And the whole world has to Answer right now)
Just to tell you
(Just to tell you once again)
You know I’m smooth, I’m
Bad, you know it
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
You know I’m bad, I’m
Bad baby
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
You know, you know, you
Know it, come on
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
And the whole world has to
Answer right now
(And the whole world has to Answer right now)
Woo!
(Just to tell you once again)
You know I’m bad, I’m bad
You know it
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
You know I’m bad – you
Know – hoo!
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
You know I’m bad – I’m bad
You know it, you know
(Bad bad – really, really bad)
And the whole world has to
Answer right now
(And the whole world has to Answer right now)
Just to tell you once again
(Just to tell you once again)
Who’s bad?
Plus, when when you sing the song with the replaced lyrics, not only does the song start making more sense (to us hoax believers, of course), but the hoax, if Michael did indeed conceive it during the BAD era, starts making more sense as well.
Yes, especially the part "They say the skys the limit, and to me that's really true"... which was also a quote used on the big screen at the memorial. To me he is saying it very clearly: Nothing is off limits for him. And "Gonna hurt your mind, don't shoot to kill"...he doesn't need to actually hurt anyone physically, only make them THINK and wake up to the truth.
I haven't had much time to investigate further but my theory on this theme is simple. I think the following quote could be true: "...He says it [Bad Tour] will be his last. After this, he wants to concentrate on movies and records..." I'll post more reasons why I think this with more factual and speculative evidence that I've gathered from you guys once I have more time. It all starts with the BAD video IMO.
A tiny little hunch or spark if you will, stays inside of me, call it hope or reaching, but it just nags at me, a feeling that Michael is alive and to this day his actual real look is like the BAD era. Maybe a little older looking, a little thinner but still BAD. I think we saw a lot more make up and disguise type faces on Michael than we saw his true look after the BAD years. I think he may have pulled some magic over on us all for quite some time.
That is exactly what I think as well. I pointed out a few pictures months ago where we see him with less make-up and where you still see the same MJ as in the BAD-era, just a little older. <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=19&t=8979&<!-- l -->
And there are other pictures. I think the wigs and the make-up created one big illusion. No one can change back and forth so many times.
i have to agree...i have natural curly hair and if i do it straight or curly my bf alway will say you look like a total different person..i feel when mj changes hes hair it really can throw people off..i vote for curls lol..but like stated make up as well can fool ones eye..i just agree mj is the same just a lil older..master of illiusions we are dealing with..
huggs n faith to all
suzz
Is it me or does this picture of Michael look NOTHING like him...?? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> Everytime I look at it, it doesn't give me that feeling. All the other small pictures of him around the main central one DO look like him. Its just the big main one that doesn't convince me.
No! It is not just you. I feel exactly the same way. The center pic is not Michael. The eyes are not Michael. At first sight I thought it is just because the painter did not manage to really catch Michael, but then I realized that all, really all other portraits are very good. Me, too, I see Michael in all those small pics around the main one but not in the center portrait. Really strange.
I don't think that that main porttrait points to the Bad era. To me it looks more like Thriller or Victory era.
I finally got a chance to read Moonwalk in full and gathered some quotes that made me think of this adventure. Plus some good inspirational quote. Here you go:
“It was Berry Gordy who said he hoped I'd audition for The Wiz . I was very fortunate he felt that way, because I was bitten by the acting bug during that experience. I said to myself, this is what I'm interested in doing when I have a chance - this is it. When you make a film, you're capturing something elusive and you're stopping time. The people, their performances, the story become a thing that can be shared by people all over the world for generations and generations. Imagine never having seen Captains Courageous or To Kill a Mockingbird ! Making movies is exciting work. It's such a team effort and it's also a lot of fun. Someday soon I plan to devote a lot of my time to making films.” (Page 31)
“There was one exception: "Heartbreak Hotel." I swear that was a phrase that came out of my head and I wasn't thinking of any other song when I wrote it. The record company printed it on the cover as "This Place Hotel," because of the Elvis Presley connection. As important as he was to music, black as well as white, he just wasn't an influence on me. I guess he was too early for me. Maybe it was timing more than anything else. By the time our song had come out, people thought that if I kept living in seclusion the way I was, I might die the way he did. The parallels aren't there as far as I'm concerned and I was never much for scare tactics. Still, the way Elvis destroyed himself interests me, because I don't ever want to walk those grounds myself.” (Page 40)
“…there's no point in trying to scare someone if there isn't something to bring the person back safe and sound from where you've taken them. "Heartbreak Hotel" had revenge in it and I am fascinated by the concept of revenge. It's something I can't understand. The idea of making someone "pay" for something they've done to you or that you imagine they've done to you is totally alien to me. The setup showed my own fears and for the first time being helped quell them. There were so many sharks in this business looking for blood in the water.” (Page 40)
“Often people just don't see what I see. They have too much doubt. You can't do your best when you're doubting yourself. If you don't believe in yourself, who will? Just doing as well as you did last time is not good enough. I think of it as the "Try to get what you can" mentality. It doesn't require you to stretch, to grow. I don't believe in that.” (Page 42)
“I believe we are powerful, but we don't use our minds to full capacity. Your mind is powerful enough to help you attain whatever you want. I knew what we could do with that record. We had a great team there, a lot of talent and good ideas, and I knew we could do anything. The success of Thriller transformed many of my dreams into reality. It did become the biggest-selling album of all time, and that fact appeared on the cover of The Guinness Book of World Records.” (Page 42)
“I didn't think my speaking voice was something my singing needed to hide. I have always had a soft speaking voice. I haven't cultivated it or chemically altered it: that's me - take it or leave it. Imagine what it must be like to be criticized for something about yourself that is natural and God given. Imagine the hurt of having untruths spread by the press, of having people wonder if you're telling the truth - defending yourself because someone decided it would make good copy and would force you to deny what they said, thus creating another story. I've tried not to answer such ridiculous charges in the past because that dignifies them and the people who make them. Remember, the press is a business: Newspapers and magazines are in business to make money - sometimes at the expense of accuracy, fairness, and even the truth.” (Page 45)
“The Victory tour was my first chance to be exposed to the Michael Jackson fans since Thriller had come out two years earlier. There were some strange reactions. I'd bump into people in hallways and they'd go, "Naw, that can't be him. He wouldn't be here." I was baffled and I'd ask myself, "Why wouldn't I? I'm on earth somewhere . I've got to be somewhere at any given time. Why not here?" Some fans imagine you to be almost an illusion, this thing that doesn't exist. When they see you, they feel it's a miracle or something. I've had fans ask me if I use the bathroom. I mean, it gets embarrassing. They just lose touch with the fact that you're like them because they get so excited. But I can understand it because I'd feel the same way if, for instance, I could have met Walt Disney or Charlie Chaplin.” (Page 53)
“When the tour was in Washington, D.C., I was out on our hotel balcony with Frank, who has a great sense of humor and enjoys playing pranks himself. We were teasing one another and I started pulling $100 bills from his pockets and throwing them to people who were walking down below. This almost caused a riot. He was trying to stop me, but we were both laughing. It reminded me of the pranks my brothers and I used to pull on tour. Frank sent our security people downstairs to try and find any undiscovered money in the bushes.” (Page 55)
“The Victory tour was originally going to be called "The Final Curtain" because we all realized it was going to be the last tour we did together. But we decided not to put the emphasis on that.” (Page 55)
“I can't help but pick up on some of the criticism leveled at me at times. Journalists seem willing to say anything to sell a paper. They say I've had my eyes widened, that I want to look more white. More white? What kind of statement is that? I didn't invent plastic surgery. It's been around for a long time. A lot of very fine, very nice people have had plastic surgery. No one writes about their surgery and levies such criticism at them. It's not fair. Most of what they print is a fabrication. It's enough to make you want to ask, "What happened to truth? Did it go out of style?"” (Page 57)
“In the end, the most important thing is to be true to yourself and those you love and work hard. I mean, work like there's no tomorrow. Train. Strive. I mean, really train and cultivate your talent to the highest degree. Be the best at what you do. Get to know more about your field than anybody alive. Use the tools of your trade, if it's books or a floor to dance on or a body of water to swim in. Whatever it is, it's yours. That's what I've always tried to remember.” (Page 57)
“Captain Eo is about transformation and the way music can help to change the world. George came up with the name Captain Eo. (Eo is Greek for "dawn.") The story is about a young guy who goes on a mission to this miserable planet run by an evil queen. He is entrusted with the responsibility of bringing the inhabitants light and beauty. It's a great celebration of good over evil.” (Page 57)
“Working on Captain Eo reinforced all the positive feelings I've had about working in film and made me realize more than ever that movies are where my future path probably lies. I love the movies and have since I was real little. For two hours you can be transported to another place. Films can take you anywhere. That's what I like. I can sit down and say, "Okay, nothing else exists right now. Take me to a place that's wonderful and make me forget about my pressures and my worries and day-to-day schedule."” (Page 57)
“I also love to be in front of a 35 mm camera. I used to hear my brothers say, "I'll be glad when this shoot is over," and I couldn't understand why they weren't enjoying it. I would be watching, trying to learn, seeing what the director was trying to get, what the light man was doing. I wanted to know where the light was coming from and why the director was doing a scene so many times. I enjoyed hearing about the changes being made in the script. It's all part of what I consider my ongoing education in films. Pioneering new ideas is so exciting to me and the movie industry seems to be suffering right now from a dearth of ideas; so many people are doing the same things. The big studios remind me of the way Motown was acting when we were having disagreements with them: They want easy answers, they want their people to do formula stuff - sure bets - only the public gets bored, of course. So many of them are doing the same old corny stuff. George Lucas and Steven Spielberg are exceptions.
I'm going to try to make some changes. I'm going to try to change things around someday. Marlon Brando has become a very close and trusted friend of mine. I can't tell you how much he's taught me. We sit and talk for hours. He has told me a great deal about the movies. He is such a wonderful actor and he has worked with so many giants in the industry - from other actors to cameramen. He has a respect for the artistic value of filmmaking that leaves me in awe. He's like a father to me.
So these days movies are my number one dream, but I have a lot of other dreams too. “ (Page 58
“I am a person who is very much in control of his life. I have a team of exceptional people working for me and they do an excellent job of presenting me with the facts that keep me up-to-date on everything that's going on at MJJ Productions so that I can know the options and make the decisions. As far as my creativity is concerned, that's my domain and I enjoy that aspect of my life as much or more than any other.” (Page 61)
“It's staggering what a person can do if they only try. If you're under pressure, play off that pressure and use it to advantage and make whatever you're doing better.” (Page 62)
“Often in the past performers have been tragic figures. A lot of the truly great people have suffered or died because of pressure and drugs, especially liquor. It's so sad. You feel cheated as a fan that you didn't get to watch them evolve as they grew older. One can't help wondering what performances Marilyn Monroe would have put in or what Jimi Hendrix might have done in the 1980s.” (Page 62)
“What one wishes is to be touched by truth and to be able to interpret that truth so that one may use what one is feeling and experiencing, be it despair or joy, in a way that will add meaning to one's life and will hopefully touch others as well.
This is art in its highest form. Those moments of enlightenment are what I continue to live for.”
I finally got a chance to read Moonwalk in full and gathered some quotes that made me think of this adventure. Plus some good inspirational quote. Here you go:
“It was Berry Gordy who said he hoped I'd audition for The Wiz . I was very fortunate he felt that way, because I was bitten by the acting bug during that experience. I said to myself, this is what I'm interested in doing when I have a chance - this is it. When you make a film, you're capturing something elusive and you're stopping time. The people, their performances, the story become a thing that can be shared by people all over the world for generations and generations. Imagine never having seen Captains Courageous or To Kill a Mockingbird ! Making movies is exciting work. It's such a team effort and it's also a lot of fun. Someday soon I plan to devote a lot of my time to making films.” (Page 31)
“There was one exception: "Heartbreak Hotel." I swear that was a phrase that came out of my head and I wasn't thinking of any other song when I wrote it. The record company printed it on the cover as "This Place Hotel," because of the Elvis Presley connection. As important as he was to music, black as well as white, he just wasn't an influence on me. I guess he was too early for me. Maybe it was timing more than anything else. By the time our song had come out, people thought that if I kept living in seclusion the way I was, I might die the way he did. The parallels aren't there as far as I'm concerned and I was never much for scare tactics. Still, the way Elvis destroyed himself interests me, because I don't ever want to walk those grounds myself.” (Page 40)
“…there's no point in trying to scare someone if there isn't something to bring the person back safe and sound from where you've taken them. "Heartbreak Hotel" had revenge in it and I am fascinated by the concept of revenge. It's something I can't understand. The idea of making someone "pay" for something they've done to you or that you imagine they've done to you is totally alien to me. The setup showed my own fears and for the first time being helped quell them. There were so many sharks in this business looking for blood in the water.” (Page 40)
“Often people just don't see what I see. They have too much doubt. You can't do your best when you're doubting yourself. If you don't believe in yourself, who will? Just doing as well as you did last time is not good enough. I think of it as the "Try to get what you can" mentality. It doesn't require you to stretch, to grow. I don't believe in that.” (Page 42)
“I believe we are powerful, but we don't use our minds to full capacity. Your mind is powerful enough to help you attain whatever you want. I knew what we could do with that record. We had a great team there, a lot of talent and good ideas, and I knew we could do anything. The success of Thriller transformed many of my dreams into reality. It did become the biggest-selling album of all time, and that fact appeared on the cover of The Guinness Book of World Records.” (Page 42)
“I didn't think my speaking voice was something my singing needed to hide. I have always had a soft speaking voice. I haven't cultivated it or chemically altered it: that's me - take it or leave it. Imagine what it must be like to be criticized for something about yourself that is natural and God given. Imagine the hurt of having untruths spread by the press, of having people wonder if you're telling the truth - defending yourself because someone decided it would make good copy and would force you to deny what they said, thus creating another story. I've tried not to answer such ridiculous charges in the past because that dignifies them and the people who make them. Remember, the press is a business: Newspapers and magazines are in business to make money - sometimes at the expense of accuracy, fairness, and even the truth.” (Page 45)
“The Victory tour was my first chance to be exposed to the Michael Jackson fans since Thriller had come out two years earlier. There were some strange reactions. I'd bump into people in hallways and they'd go, "Naw, that can't be him. He wouldn't be here." I was baffled and I'd ask myself, "Why wouldn't I? I'm on earth somewhere . I've got to be somewhere at any given time. Why not here?" Some fans imagine you to be almost an illusion, this thing that doesn't exist. When they see you, they feel it's a miracle or something. I've had fans ask me if I use the bathroom. I mean, it gets embarrassing. They just lose touch with the fact that you're like them because they get so excited. But I can understand it because I'd feel the same way if, for instance, I could have met Walt Disney or Charlie Chaplin.” (Page 53)
“When the tour was in Washington, D.C., I was out on our hotel balcony with Frank, who has a great sense of humor and enjoys playing pranks himself. We were teasing one another and I started pulling $100 bills from his pockets and throwing them to people who were walking down below. This almost caused a riot. He was trying to stop me, but we were both laughing. It reminded me of the pranks my brothers and I used to pull on tour. Frank sent our security people downstairs to try and find any undiscovered money in the bushes.” (Page 55)
“The Victory tour was originally going to be called "The Final Curtain" because we all realized it was going to be the last tour we did together. But we decided not to put the emphasis on that.” (Page 55)
“I can't help but pick up on some of the criticism leveled at me at times. Journalists seem willing to say anything to sell a paper. They say I've had my eyes widened, that I want to look more white. More white? What kind of statement is that? I didn't invent plastic surgery. It's been around for a long time. A lot of very fine, very nice people have had plastic surgery. No one writes about their surgery and levies such criticism at them. It's not fair. Most of what they print is a fabrication. It's enough to make you want to ask, "What happened to truth? Did it go out of style?"” (Page 57)
“In the end, the most important thing is to be true to yourself and those you love and work hard. I mean, work like there's no tomorrow. Train. Strive. I mean, really train and cultivate your talent to the highest degree. Be the best at what you do. Get to know more about your field than anybody alive. Use the tools of your trade, if it's books or a floor to dance on or a body of water to swim in. Whatever it is, it's yours. That's what I've always tried to remember.” (Page 57)
“Captain Eo is about transformation and the way music can help to change the world. George came up with the name Captain Eo. (Eo is Greek for "dawn.") The story is about a young guy who goes on a mission to this miserable planet run by an evil queen. He is entrusted with the responsibility of bringing the inhabitants light and beauty. It's a great celebration of good over evil.” (Page 57)
“Working on Captain Eo reinforced all the positive feelings I've had about working in film and made me realize more than ever that movies are where my future path probably lies. I love the movies and have since I was real little. For two hours you can be transported to another place. Films can take you anywhere. That's what I like. I can sit down and say, "Okay, nothing else exists right now. Take me to a place that's wonderful and make me forget about my pressures and my worries and day-to-day schedule."” (Page 57)
“I also love to be in front of a 35 mm camera. I used to hear my brothers say, "I'll be glad when this shoot is over," and I couldn't understand why they weren't enjoying it. I would be watching, trying to learn, seeing what the director was trying to get, what the light man was doing. I wanted to know where the light was coming from and why the director was doing a scene so many times. I enjoyed hearing about the changes being made in the script. It's all part of what I consider my ongoing education in films. Pioneering new ideas is so exciting to me and the movie industry seems to be suffering right now from a dearth of ideas; so many people are doing the same things. The big studios remind me of the way Motown was acting when we were having disagreements with them: They want easy answers, they want their people to do formula stuff - sure bets - only the public gets bored, of course. So many of them are doing the same old corny stuff. George Lucas and Steven Spielberg are exceptions.
I'm going to try to make some changes. I'm going to try to change things around someday. Marlon Brando has become a very close and trusted friend of mine. I can't tell you how much he's taught me. We sit and talk for hours. He has told me a great deal about the movies. He is such a wonderful actor and he has worked with so many giants in the industry - from other actors to cameramen. He has a respect for the artistic value of filmmaking that leaves me in awe. He's like a father to me.
So these days movies are my number one dream, but I have a lot of other dreams too. “ (Page 58
“I am a person who is very much in control of his life. I have a team of exceptional people working for me and they do an excellent job of presenting me with the facts that keep me up-to-date on everything that's going on at MJJ Productions so that I can know the options and make the decisions. As far as my creativity is concerned, that's my domain and I enjoy that aspect of my life as much or more than any other.” (Page 61)
“It's staggering what a person can do if they only try. If you're under pressure, play off that pressure and use it to advantage and make whatever you're doing better.” (Page 62)
“[b]Often in the past performers have been tragic figures. A lot of the truly great people have suffered or died because of pressure and drugs, especially liquor. It's so sad. You feel cheated as a fan that you didn't get to watch them evolve as they grew older. One can't help wondering what performances Marilyn Monroe would have put in or what Jimi Hendrix might have done in the 1980s.” (Page 62)[/b]
“What one wishes is to be touched by truth and to be able to interpret that truth so that one may use what one is feeling and experiencing, be it despair or joy, in a way that will add meaning to one's life and will hopefully touch others as well.
This is art in its highest form. Those moments of enlightenment are what I continue to live for.”
this kind of makes me wonder about the stuff he said to the rabbi . did he change his perspective or what? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- ssuspicious// -->suspicious//<!-- ssuspicious// --> seems to me he is walking in the fans shoes here. why then would he want to disappear ?
I finally got a chance to read Moonwalk in full and gathered some quotes that made me think of this adventure. Plus some good inspirational quote. Here you go:
“It was Berry Gordy who said he hoped I'd audition for The Wiz . I was very fortunate he felt that way, because I was bitten by the acting bug during that experience. I said to myself, this is what I'm interested in doing when I have a chance - this is it. When you make a film, you're capturing something elusive and you're stopping time. The people, their performances, the story become a thing that can be shared by people all over the world for generations and generations. Imagine never having seen Captains Courageous or To Kill a Mockingbird ! Making movies is exciting work. It's such a team effort and it's also a lot of fun. Someday soon I plan to devote a lot of my time to making films.” (Page 31)
“There was one exception: "Heartbreak Hotel." I swear that was a phrase that came out of my head and I wasn't thinking of any other song when I wrote it. The record company printed it on the cover as "This Place Hotel," because of the Elvis Presley connection. As important as he was to music, black as well as white, he just wasn't an influence on me. I guess he was too early for me. Maybe it was timing more than anything else. By the time our song had come out, people thought that if I kept living in seclusion the way I was, I might die the way he did. The parallels aren't there as far as I'm concerned and I was never much for scare tactics. Still, the way Elvis destroyed himself interests me, because I don't ever want to walk those grounds myself.” (Page 40)
“…there's no point in trying to scare someone if there isn't something to bring the person back safe and sound from where you've taken them. "Heartbreak Hotel" had revenge in it and I am fascinated by the concept of revenge. It's something I can't understand. The idea of making someone "pay" for something they've done to you or that you imagine they've done to you is totally alien to me. The setup showed my own fears and for the first time being helped quell them. There were so many sharks in this business looking for blood in the water.” (Page 40)
“Often people just don't see what I see. They have too much doubt. You can't do your best when you're doubting yourself. If you don't believe in yourself, who will? Just doing as well as you did last time is not good enough. I think of it as the "Try to get what you can" mentality. It doesn't require you to stretch, to grow. I don't believe in that.” (Page 42)
“I believe we are powerful, but we don't use our minds to full capacity. Your mind is powerful enough to help you attain whatever you want. I knew what we could do with that record. We had a great team there, a lot of talent and good ideas, and I knew we could do anything. The success of Thriller transformed many of my dreams into reality. It did become the biggest-selling album of all time, and that fact appeared on the cover of The Guinness Book of World Records.” (Page 42)
“I didn't think my speaking voice was something my singing needed to hide. I have always had a soft speaking voice. I haven't cultivated it or chemically altered it: that's me - take it or leave it. Imagine what it must be like to be criticized for something about yourself that is natural and God given. Imagine the hurt of having untruths spread by the press, of having people wonder if you're telling the truth - defending yourself because someone decided it would make good copy and would force you to deny what they said, thus creating another story. I've tried not to answer such ridiculous charges in the past because that dignifies them and the people who make them. Remember, the press is a business: Newspapers and magazines are in business to make money - sometimes at the expense of accuracy, fairness, and even the truth.” (Page 45)
“The Victory tour was my first chance to be exposed to the Michael Jackson fans since Thriller had come out two years earlier. There were some strange reactions. I'd bump into people in hallways and they'd go, "Naw, that can't be him. He wouldn't be here." I was baffled and I'd ask myself, "Why wouldn't I? I'm on earth somewhere . I've got to be somewhere at any given time. Why not here?" Some fans imagine you to be almost an illusion, this thing that doesn't exist. When they see you, they feel it's a miracle or something. I've had fans ask me if I use the bathroom. I mean, it gets embarrassing. They just lose touch with the fact that you're like them because they get so excited. But I can understand it because I'd feel the same way if, for instance, I could have met Walt Disney or Charlie Chaplin.” (Page 53)
“When the tour was in Washington, D.C., I was out on our hotel balcony with Frank, who has a great sense of humor and enjoys playing pranks himself. We were teasing one another and I started pulling $100 bills from his pockets and throwing them to people who were walking down below. This almost caused a riot. He was trying to stop me, but we were both laughing. It reminded me of the pranks my brothers and I used to pull on tour. Frank sent our security people downstairs to try and find any undiscovered money in the bushes.” (Page 55)
“The Victory tour was originally going to be called "The Final Curtain" because we all realized it was going to be the last tour we did together. But we decided not to put the emphasis on that.” (Page 55)
“I can't help but pick up on some of the criticism leveled at me at times. Journalists seem willing to say anything to sell a paper. They say I've had my eyes widened, that I want to look more white. More white? What kind of statement is that? I didn't invent plastic surgery. It's been around for a long time. A lot of very fine, very nice people have had plastic surgery. No one writes about their surgery and levies such criticism at them. It's not fair. Most of what they print is a fabrication. It's enough to make you want to ask, "What happened to truth? Did it go out of style?"” (Page 57)
“In the end, the most important thing is to be true to yourself and those you love and work hard. I mean, work like there's no tomorrow. Train. Strive. I mean, really train and cultivate your talent to the highest degree. Be the best at what you do. Get to know more about your field than anybody alive. Use the tools of your trade, if it's books or a floor to dance on or a body of water to swim in. Whatever it is, it's yours. That's what I've always tried to remember.” (Page 57)
“Captain Eo is about transformation and the way music can help to change the world. George came up with the name Captain Eo. (Eo is Greek for "dawn.") The story is about a young guy who goes on a mission to this miserable planet run by an evil queen. He is entrusted with the responsibility of bringing the inhabitants light and beauty. It's a great celebration of good over evil.” (Page 57)
“Working on Captain Eo reinforced all the positive feelings I've had about working in film and made me realize more than ever that movies are where my future path probably lies. I love the movies and have since I was real little. For two hours you can be transported to another place. Films can take you anywhere. That's what I like. I can sit down and say, "Okay, nothing else exists right now. Take me to a place that's wonderful and make me forget about my pressures and my worries and day-to-day schedule."” (Page 57)
“I also love to be in front of a 35 mm camera. I used to hear my brothers say, "I'll be glad when this shoot is over," and I couldn't understand why they weren't enjoying it. I would be watching, trying to learn, seeing what the director was trying to get, what the light man was doing. I wanted to know where the light was coming from and why the director was doing a scene so many times. I enjoyed hearing about the changes being made in the script. It's all part of what I consider my ongoing education in films. Pioneering new ideas is so exciting to me and the movie industry seems to be suffering right now from a dearth of ideas; so many people are doing the same things. The big studios remind me of the way Motown was acting when we were having disagreements with them: They want easy answers, they want their people to do formula stuff - sure bets - only the public gets bored, of course. So many of them are doing the same old corny stuff. George Lucas and Steven Spielberg are exceptions.
I'm going to try to make some changes. I'm going to try to change things around someday. Marlon Brando has become a very close and trusted friend of mine. I can't tell you how much he's taught me. We sit and talk for hours. He has told me a great deal about the movies. He is such a wonderful actor and he has worked with so many giants in the industry - from other actors to cameramen. He has a respect for the artistic value of filmmaking that leaves me in awe. He's like a father to me.
So these days movies are my number one dream, but I have a lot of other dreams too. “ (Page 58
“I am a person who is very much in control of his life. I have a team of exceptional people working for me and they do an excellent job of presenting me with the facts that keep me up-to-date on everything that's going on at MJJ Productions so that I can know the options and make the decisions. As far as my creativity is concerned, that's my domain and I enjoy that aspect of my life as much or more than any other.” (Page 61)
“It's staggering what a person can do if they only try. If you're under pressure, play off that pressure and use it to advantage and make whatever you're doing better.” (Page 62)
“[b]Often in the past performers have been tragic figures. A lot of the truly great people have suffered or died because of pressure and drugs, especially liquor. It's so sad. You feel cheated as a fan that you didn't get to watch them evolve as they grew older. One can't help wondering what performances Marilyn Monroe would have put in or what Jimi Hendrix might have done in the 1980s.” (Page 62)[/b]
“What one wishes is to be touched by truth and to be able to interpret that truth so that one may use what one is feeling and experiencing, be it despair or joy, in a way that will add meaning to one's life and will hopefully touch others as well.
This is art in its highest form. Those moments of enlightenment are what I continue to live for.”
This is my theory (for now) on why there is a Bad theme with this adventure:<br /><br />TS and BACK have either stated or implied that this has been a two decade long (20 years) project. Harvey mentioned in the recent TMZ Live footage that according to defense (I think), he was an addict for 20 years due to Klein's involvement. However, was this stated explicitly in court? Unfortunately, I didn't see the trial footage except in snippets due to my computer so if anyone can confirm, that would be great. <br /><br />Anyway, I'm only pointing to this because there are so many things pointing to the Bad era throughout this hoax (which I've been saying and even created this thread about some of the Bad connections). So what I am thinking is that the photo of Michael, during the Bad era, behind the camera indicates that he has been creating this show, this illusion since the Bad era and that the real Michael "died" metaphorically in 1989 hence all the photos from that era being used arguably for the initial death photo and during the memorial and funeral and a caricature version of Michael was born, making the show, the illusion and possibly FBI sting operation official. This would also explain why Michael did not use a photograph of himself on any of his album covers post-Bad. In addition, it would explain why all the rumors of plastic surgery were placed in the media (by I think Jackson himself) so that the public would not question the changes in the structure of his face from moment to moment from the Bad era to now. It would be easier for Michael to slip in and slip out of the public light with hired doubles, especially with masks and hats to cover up most of his face and head. And if he was/is involved with a FBI sting, then this would make even more sense because the doubles would be a great way to provide added security for Michael since he was obviously targeted. However, I am beginning to think that the catalog is the surface issue for why people targeted him; I think it goes much deeper and the sting seems to make more and more sense. Or it could be all for a show. I just find that hard to believe given the nature of this adventure and all the possible dangers involved. In any event, I think the end result will be that the real Michael will be the one to "resurrect" for the world to see on BAMSDAY and he will not look much different at all from 1989. <br /><br />Okay, that's all I have for now.
<br />I dont know where I heard this from but didnt it say somewhere that Arnie Klien was going to make MJ the way he looked before in the Bad era ( Im not saying I believe this but I think I heard it on this forum before)<br />
<br /> <br /> <br />Dr Klein also claimed he was doing cosmetic work on Jackson's face to make him look "more normal" as he prepared for his comeback shows at London's O2 Arena.<br />"He came to me because, basically, I was sort of rebuilding his face, because he had severe acne and scarring. He had scarring from having a lot of cosmetic surgery... I was rebuilding his face so he looked much more normal. And, contrary to what people said, he could not take off his nose. His nose was attached. But it looked too small."<br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5834102/Michael-Jackson-investigation-coroners-demand-records-from-Dr-Arnold-Klein.html
The Word Is Out<br />You're Doin' Wrong<br />Gonna Lock You Up<br />Before Too Long,<br />Your Lyin' Eyes<br />Gonna Take You Right<br />So Listen Up<br />Don't Make A Fight,<br />Your Talk Is Cheap<br />You're Not A Man<br />You're Throwin' Stones<br />To Hide Your Hands<br /><br /><br /><br />DR. Conrad Murray? WTF??
<br />This is my theory (for now) on why there is a Bad theme with this adventure:<br /><br />TS and BACK have either stated or implied that this has been a two decade long (20 years) project. Harvey mentioned in the recent TMZ Live footage that according to defense (I think), he was an addict for 20 years due to Klein's involvement. However, was this stated explicitly in court? Unfortunately, I didn't see the trial footage except in snippets due to my computer so if anyone can confirm, that would be great. <br /><br />Anyway, I'm only pointing to this because there are so many things pointing to the Bad era throughout this hoax (which I've been saying and even created this thread about some of the Bad connections). So what I am thinking is that the photo of Michael, during the Bad era, behind the camera indicates that he has been creating this show, this illusion since the Bad era and that the real Michael "died" metaphorically in 1989 hence all the photos from that era being used arguably for the initial death photo and during the memorial and funeral and a caricature version of Michael was born, making the show, the illusion and possibly FBI sting operation official. This would also explain why Michael did not use a photograph of himself on any of his album covers post-Bad. In addition, it would explain why all the rumors of plastic surgery were placed in the media (by I think Jackson himself) so that the public would not question the changes in the structure of his face from moment to moment from the Bad era to now. It would be easier for Michael to slip in and slip out of the public light with hired doubles, especially with masks and hats to cover up most of his face and head. And if he was/is involved with a FBI sting, then this would make even more sense because the doubles would be a great way to provide added security for Michael since he was obviously targeted. However, I am beginning to think that the catalog is the surface issue for why people targeted him; I think it goes much deeper and the sting seems to make more and more sense. Or it could be all for a show. I just find that hard to believe given the nature of this adventure and all the possible dangers involved. In any event, I think the end result will be that the real Michael will be the one to "resurrect" for the world to see on BAMSDAY and he will not look much different at all from 1989. <br /><br />Okay, that's all I have for now. <br />
<br /><br />[size=10pt]Looking4truth I'm with you on this /bravo/.Since 2009 ,almost everything points to BAD ERA,and on the cover of the album MICHAEL you can clearly see that there is "MICHAEL" in the middle,before BAD era in the LEFT,and after BAD era on the RIGHT.Something like REAL versus Fantasy,BEFORE-AFTER.<br /><br /><br />Michael told us many,many times about his plans to make movies and it's very strange because this is what Frank Dileo said in 2007 ,regarding Michael and MOVIES :?:[/size]<br /><br />[size=12pt]“Unfortunately, they talked Michael into it by promising him—now this is according to Michael, and I believe this—by promising him that if he fired me and hired Sandy Gallin, that he’d be able to make movies in Hollywood. Now the truth be told, Michael never made a movie. The only movie [besides 1978’s The Wiz] he’s ever made was with me, and that was Moonwalker.”<br />[/size]<br /><br />[size=10pt]So who knows but I really dont BELIEVE that Michael fired Frank for that,Michael is not that tipe of people,he is a LOVING human being and Frank is a part of the PLAN.remember Frank was beside Michael at 2005"TRIAL",and he was at THIS IS IT premiere also 8-).<br />[/size]<br /><br /><br />[size=12pt]LOVE[/size]
<br />The Word Is Out<br />You're Doin' Wrong<br />Gonna Lock You Up mj_bad/ <br />Before Too Long,<br />Your Lyin' Eyes<br />Gonna Take You Right<br />So Listen Up<br />Don't Make A Fight,<br />Your Talk Is Cheap /judge/<br />You're Not A Man<br />You're Throwin' Stones<br />To Hide Your Hands OMG!<br /><br /><br /><br />DR. Conrad Murray? WTF??<br />
<br /><br />[size=10pt]Looking4truth I'm with you on this /bravo/ .Since 2009 ,almost everything points to BAD ERA,and on the cover of the album MICHAEL you can clearly see that there is "MICHAEL" in the middle,before BAD era in the LEFT,and after BAD era on the RIGHT.Something like REAL versus Fantasy,BEFORE-AFTER.<br /><br /><br />Michael told us many,many times about his plans to make movies and it's very strange because this is what Frank Dileo said in 2007 ,regarding Michael and MOVIES :?: [/size]<br /><br />[size=12pt]“Unfortunately, they talked Michael into it by promising him—now this is according to Michael, and I believe this—by promising him that if he fired me and hired Sandy Gallin, that he’d be able to make movies in Hollywood. Now the truth be told, Michael never made a movie. The only movie [besides 1978’s The Wiz] he’s ever made was with me, and that was Moonwalker.”<br />[/size]<br /><br />[size=10pt]So who knows but I really dont BELIEVE that Michael fired Frank for that,Michael is not that tipe of people,he is a LOVING human being and Frank is a part of the PLAN.remember Frank was beside Michael at 2005"TRIAL",and he was at THIS IS IT premiere also 8-) .<br />[/size]<br /><br /><br />[size=12pt]LOVE[/size]<br />
<br /><br />Thanks for responding! I wonder if Michael ever really fired Frank Dileo at all. Maybe he had to disappear in public for security reasons or because Frank is not the illusion, he's someone behind the illusion, along with MJ, his family and a few acquaintances and friends. I don't know. This is pure speculation on my end. In any event, SOMETHING must've happened during this era damnit! And I hope we find out what or else I may go nuts like this: /overreacting/
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That is exactly what I think as well. I pointed out a few pictures months ago where we see him with less make-up and where you still see the same MJ as in the BAD-era, just a little older. <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=19&t=8979&<!-- l -->
And there are other pictures. I think the wigs and the make-up created one big illusion. No one can change back and forth so many times.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Yes, especially the part "They say the skys the limit, and to me that's really true"... which was also a quote used on the big screen at the memorial. To me he is saying it very clearly: Nothing is off limits for him. And "Gonna hurt your mind, don't shoot to kill"...he doesn't need to actually hurt anyone physically, only make them THINK and wake up to the truth.
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i have to agree...i have natural curly hair and if i do it straight or curly my bf alway will say you look like a total different person..i feel when mj changes hes hair it really can throw people off..i vote for curls lol..but like stated make up as well can fool ones eye..i just agree mj is the same just a lil older..master of illiusions we are dealing with..
huggs n faith to all
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No! It is not just you. I feel exactly the same way. The center pic is not Michael. The eyes are not Michael. At first sight I thought it is just because the painter did not manage to really catch Michael, but then I realized that all, really all other portraits are very good. Me, too, I see Michael in all those small pics around the main one but not in the center portrait. Really strange.
I don't think that that main porttrait points to the Bad era. To me it looks more like Thriller or Victory era.
“It was Berry Gordy who said he hoped I'd audition for The Wiz . I was very fortunate he felt that way, because I was bitten by the acting bug during that experience. I said to myself, this is what I'm interested in doing when I have a chance - this is it. When you make a film, you're capturing something elusive and you're stopping time. The people, their performances, the story become a thing that can be shared by people all over the world for generations and generations. Imagine never having seen Captains Courageous or To Kill a Mockingbird ! Making movies is exciting work. It's such a team effort and it's also a lot of fun. Someday soon I plan to devote a lot of my time to making films.” (Page 31)
“There was one exception: "Heartbreak Hotel." I swear that was a phrase that came out of my head and I wasn't thinking of any other song when I wrote it. The record company printed it on the cover as "This Place Hotel," because of the Elvis Presley connection. As important as he was to music, black as well as white, he just wasn't an influence on me. I guess he was too early for me. Maybe it was timing more than anything else. By the time our song had come out, people thought that if I kept living in seclusion the way I was, I might die the way he did. The parallels aren't there as far as I'm concerned and I was never much for scare tactics. Still, the way Elvis destroyed himself interests me, because I don't ever want to walk those grounds myself.” (Page 40)
“…there's no point in trying to scare someone if there isn't something to bring the person back safe and sound from where you've taken them. "Heartbreak Hotel" had revenge in it and I am fascinated by the concept of revenge. It's something I can't understand. The idea of making someone "pay" for something they've done to you or that you imagine they've done to you is totally alien to me. The setup showed my own fears and for the first time being helped quell them. There were so many sharks in this business looking for blood in the water.” (Page 40)
“Often people just don't see what I see. They have too much doubt. You can't do your best when you're doubting yourself. If you don't believe in yourself, who will? Just doing as well as you did last time is not good enough. I think of it as the "Try to get what you can" mentality. It doesn't require you to stretch, to grow. I don't believe in that.” (Page 42)
“I believe we are powerful, but we don't use our minds to full capacity. Your mind is powerful enough to help you attain whatever you want. I knew what we could do with that record. We had a great team there, a lot of talent and good ideas, and I knew we could do anything. The success of Thriller transformed many of my dreams into reality. It did become the biggest-selling album of all time, and that fact appeared on the cover of The Guinness Book of World Records.” (Page 42)
“I didn't think my speaking voice was something my singing needed to hide. I have always had a soft speaking voice. I haven't cultivated it or chemically altered it: that's me - take it or leave it. Imagine what it must be like to be criticized for something about yourself that is natural and God given. Imagine the hurt of having untruths spread by the press, of having people wonder if you're telling the truth - defending yourself because someone decided it would make good copy and would force you to deny what they said, thus creating another story. I've tried not to answer such ridiculous charges in the past because that dignifies them and the people who make them. Remember, the press is a business: Newspapers and magazines are in business to make money - sometimes at the expense of accuracy, fairness, and even the truth.” (Page 45)
“The Victory tour was my first chance to be exposed to the Michael Jackson fans since Thriller had come out two years earlier. There were some strange reactions. I'd bump into people in hallways and they'd go, "Naw, that can't be him. He wouldn't be here." I was baffled and I'd ask myself, "Why wouldn't I? I'm on earth somewhere . I've got to be somewhere at any given time. Why not here?" Some fans imagine you to be almost an illusion, this thing that doesn't exist. When they see you, they feel it's a miracle or something. I've had fans ask me if I use the bathroom. I mean, it gets embarrassing. They just lose touch with the fact that you're like them because they get so excited. But I can understand it because I'd feel the same way if, for instance, I could have met Walt Disney or Charlie Chaplin.” (Page 53)
“When the tour was in Washington, D.C., I was out on our hotel balcony with Frank, who has a great sense of humor and enjoys playing pranks himself. We were teasing one another and I started pulling $100 bills from his pockets and throwing them to people who were walking down below. This almost caused a riot. He was trying to stop me, but we were both laughing. It reminded me of the pranks my brothers and I used to pull on tour. Frank sent our security people downstairs to try and find any undiscovered money in the bushes.” (Page 55)
“The Victory tour was originally going to be called "The Final Curtain" because we all realized it was going to be the last tour we did together. But we decided not to put the emphasis on that.” (Page 55)
“I can't help but pick up on some of the criticism leveled at me at times. Journalists seem willing to say anything to sell a paper. They say I've had my eyes widened, that I want to look more white. More white? What kind of statement is that? I didn't invent plastic surgery. It's been around for a long time. A lot of very fine, very nice people have had plastic surgery. No one writes about their surgery and levies such criticism at them. It's not fair. Most of what they print is a fabrication. It's enough to make you want to ask, "What happened to truth? Did it go out of style?"” (Page 57)
“In the end, the most important thing is to be true to yourself and those you love and work hard. I mean, work like there's no tomorrow. Train. Strive. I mean, really train and cultivate your talent to the highest degree. Be the best at what you do. Get to know more about your field than anybody alive. Use the tools of your trade, if it's books or a floor to dance on or a body of water to swim in. Whatever it is, it's yours. That's what I've always tried to remember.” (Page 57)
“Captain Eo is about transformation and the way music can help to change the world. George came up with the name Captain Eo. (Eo is Greek for "dawn.") The story is about a young guy who goes on a mission to this miserable planet run by an evil queen. He is entrusted with the responsibility of bringing the inhabitants light and beauty. It's a great celebration of good over evil.” (Page 57)
“Working on Captain Eo reinforced all the positive feelings I've had about working in film and made me realize more than ever that movies are where my future path probably lies. I love the movies and have since I was real little. For two hours you can be transported to another place. Films can take you anywhere. That's what I like. I can sit down and say, "Okay, nothing else exists right now. Take me to a place that's wonderful and make me forget about my pressures and my worries and day-to-day schedule."” (Page 57)
“I also love to be in front of a 35 mm camera. I used to hear my brothers say, "I'll be glad when this shoot is over," and I couldn't understand why they weren't enjoying it. I would be watching, trying to learn, seeing what the director was trying to get, what the light man was doing. I wanted to know where the light was coming from and why the director was doing a scene so many times. I enjoyed hearing about the changes being made in the script. It's all part of what I consider my ongoing education in films. Pioneering new ideas is so exciting to me and the movie industry seems to be suffering right now from a dearth of ideas; so many people are doing the same things. The big studios remind me of the way Motown was acting when we were having disagreements with them: They want easy answers, they want their people to do formula stuff - sure bets - only the public gets bored, of course. So many of them are doing the same old corny stuff. George Lucas and Steven Spielberg are exceptions.
I'm going to try to make some changes. I'm going to try to change things around someday. Marlon Brando has become a very close and trusted friend of mine. I can't tell you how much he's taught me. We sit and talk for hours. He has told me a great deal about the movies. He is such a wonderful actor and he has worked with so many giants in the industry - from other actors to cameramen. He has a respect for the artistic value of filmmaking that leaves me in awe. He's like a father to me.
So these days movies are my number one dream, but I have a lot of other dreams too. “ (Page 58
“I am a person who is very much in control of his life. I have a team of exceptional people working for me and they do an excellent job of presenting me with the facts that keep me up-to-date on everything that's going on at MJJ Productions so that I can know the options and make the decisions. As far as my creativity is concerned, that's my domain and I enjoy that aspect of my life as much or more than any other.” (Page 61)
“It's staggering what a person can do if they only try. If you're under pressure, play off that pressure and use it to advantage and make whatever you're doing better.” (Page 62)
“Often in the past performers have been tragic figures. A lot of the truly great people have suffered or died because of pressure and drugs, especially liquor. It's so sad. You feel cheated as a fan that you didn't get to watch them evolve as they grew older. One can't help wondering what performances Marilyn Monroe would have put in or what Jimi Hendrix might have done in the 1980s.” (Page 62)
“What one wishes is to be touched by truth and to be able to interpret that truth so that one may use what one is feeling and experiencing, be it despair or joy, in a way that will add meaning to one's life and will hopefully touch others as well.
This is art in its highest form. Those moments of enlightenment are what I continue to live for.”
this kind of makes me wonder about the stuff he said to the rabbi . did he change his perspective or what? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- ssuspicious// -->suspicious//<!-- ssuspicious// --> seems to me he is walking in the fans shoes here. why then would he want to disappear ?
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