3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and They Shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, Clothed in Sackcloth.
June 2009-December 2012 ... are exactly three and a half years. Is there any connection here?
Or I have too much fantasy
No you don't have to much fantasy because I actually had the same thought back when we were discussing going to the media about ElvisandMJ.com <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Whether you're an Elvis fan or whether or not you care about his death, it doesn't change the probability that Michael is a fan of his and that Michael learned a lot from the 'death' of Elvis. That is undeniable. And try telling an Elvis fan or and Elvis hoaxer that you don't care and you'll be put in your place real fast JUST like MJ fans/hoaxers. It doesn't matter what WE personally think, Michael created this hoax and if Elvis was an inspiration for him then we must embrace that no matter what we believe and no matter what we are comfortable with.
Agree...
When I was doing research into the ARK, 777, and The End Times "warnings", part of my research was finding this Revelation. I wondered "Who" might the two witnesses be?
Now in relation to the "Why Elvis" and connecting it to Michael, reading this Revelation below and insert Elvis and Michael's names where the witnesses goes and read description and it makes sense.
Elvis is very spiritual and so is Michael. Making the truth known to the world about Elvis is about more than just a bam..it is about "the troot will prevail" in ALL things.
Peace
Revelation 11 (Amplified Bible)
Revelation 11
1 A REED [as a measuring rod] was then given to me, [shaped] like a staff, and I was told: Rise up and measure the sanctuary of God and the altar [of incense], and [number] those who worship there.
2 But leave out of your measuring the court outside the sanctuary of God; omit that, for it is given over to the Gentiles (the nations), and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months (three and one-half years).
3 And I will grant the power of prophecy to My two witnesses for 1,260 (42 months; three and one-half years), dressed in sackcloth.
4 These [witnesses] are the two olive trees and the two lampstands which stand before the Lord of the earth.
5 And if anyone attempts to injure them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their enemies; if anyone should attempt to harm them, thus he is doomed to be slain. [II Kings 1:10; Jer. 5:14.]
6 These [two witnesses] have power to shut up the sky, so that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying (their prediction of events relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph); and they also have power to turn the waters into blood and to smite and scourge the earth with all manner of plagues as often as they choose.
7 But when they have finished their testimony and their evidence is all in, the beast (monster) that comes up out of the Abyss (bottomless pit) will wage war on them, and conquer them and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies [will lie exposed] in the open street [(a public square) of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called [by the mystical and allegorical names of] Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
9 For three and a half days men from the races and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and will not allow them to be put in a tomb.
10 And those who dwell on the earth will gloat and exult over them and rejoice exceedingly, taking their ease and sending presents [in congratulation] to one another, because these two prophets had been such a vexation and trouble and torment to all the dwellers on the earth.
11 But after three and a half days, by God's gift the breath of life again entered into them, and they rose up on their feet, and great dread and terror fell on those who watched them.
12 Then [the two witnesses] heard a strong voice from heaven calling to them, Come up here! And before the very eyes of their enemies they ascended into heaven in a cloud. [II Kings 2:11.]
For those who are interested in more information on 777, Ark of the Covenant, etc. please see link above. I apologize for the rough nature of the work. hee hee, I was a newbie in study and my thoughts scattered as I wrote. I added alot of my personality in my posts and maybe it will seem frivolous, sorry.
There is alot of good info already compiled in that link above. Many members contributed to the investigation. I am glad to see this turn in events. There is probably alot of missing info and perhaps TS will address this in the future.
I think a gradual change is coming to those who will allow it. I know that since December of last year, I think and feel different. I believe 2011 will be the year of spiritual enlightenment. Now we have to face the boxed Christian that have this picture of God sitting on the throne with white hair and a beard, waiting to smack us over the head when we mess up. We need to take God out of the box, and realizing what he is and what he is capable of.
God wants to love us and give us our heart's desires. But we have to reconnect with him daily. So I feel he is moving on his children to bring us to a hightened sence of awareness Everything Michael is doing requires us to think outside the box. We need to be prepared for the unimaginable.
Yes I know several individuals that had the idea of Michael and Elvis being the two wittnesses. what is to say they have no chance to be used by God that way, I would certainly blow the world away!
Thankyou for this redirect TS. I am reminded of your update 6.5 now in lockdown where you stated that bible redirects were both hoax clues and messages and also spiritual messages. What a perfect example this is. Your redirect has caused me to dig out my concordance and differing translations and reference books.
Kevin J Conner in his book -Interpreting the Symbols and Types- says that "stars" represent light bearers and the spiritual seed of Abraham. "Stars fallen" are a picture of the fallen away or apostate saints. I found this something of significance with regard to your use of Wycliffe's translation and in keeping with his message of exposing apostate "religion" versus spiritual birth and experiential relationship.
Those vids by Chuck Missler were brilliant. The gospel is written in the stars. To quote Mr Missler.
The stars were put there for signs.....God's greatest achievment is not the creation, it's redemption.
What did it cost God to create the universe...6 days....What did it cost God to redeem us....His Son.
As I see people here talking about the end of the world I have to say this: if we believe the Bible is true then we must take everything that's written there as true.
The Bible says nobody but God knows when the end of the world will come.
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" Mathew 24:36 I would add nor Michael Jackson or TS.
I admit some paragraphs say about the signs of the end.....but those signs, wars and earthquakes and everything, are happening all the time..... so I think it's safe to assume that the priviledge of knowing it is God's.
I made this post because I remember I've been reading in first TS posts here that all this hoax is about the end the world.
The freedom as we know it is all one big illusion .
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yes I agree...... we are not free and we can not be free if we don't allow us to be free!!
I agree that signs happen all the time and many have believed the end of the world was upon us for a long time (according to human definitions of time).
So there is no sense in guessing when the end will be, it is more that we should be ready we He returns.
Regarding the illusion of freedom: John 8:31-32 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
And Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
This is the bottomline... we have to be about the truth. This is the ONLY way to TRUE freedom. Freedom in Christ.
I agree that signs happen all the time and many have believed the end of the world was upon us for a long time (according to human definitions of time).
So there is no sense in guessing when the end will be, it is more that we should be ready we He returns.
Regarding the illusion of freedom: John 8:31-32 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
And Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
This is the bottomline... we have to be about the truth. This is the ONLY way to TRUE freedom. Freedom in Christ.
Is this all becoming a religious armageddon??? Why so much religion??
I personally think that organized religion is a bad thing.You all want to open your eyes to reality then let the religion go ....Just my opinion. Seems that everything latley on this site has to do with religion and that is the fault of TS.
This was meant to be a Michael Jackson Hoax death site and more and more it is becoming a Michael Jackson;s church site ...... just my opinion and yes we are supposed to skip over the things we do not want to read and I do but there seems to be more and more religious things I need to skip over... sorry if I offend anyone but MR Jackson was not and never will be Jesus or GOD. again just my opinion <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
TS if you have something to say other than GOD stuff, please post as this is a MR Jackson hoax death site!!!! I am getting tired of coming onto this forum and having to read the bible stuff......I don;t like bible stuff really, and having lived on this earth for over 50yrs I will never like bible stuff. Can you all make a bible forum?? ONCE AGAIN JUST MY OPINION <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
And Oh by the way I am a really good person !!!! But not a bible person.....JUST MY OPINION !!!!
Is this all becoming a religious armageddon??? why so much religion??
I personally think that organized religion is a bad thing. Just my opinion. Seems that everything latley on this site has to do with religion and that is the fault of TS.
This was meant to be a Michael Jackson Hoax death site and more and more it is becoming a Michael Jackson;s church site ...... just my opinion
Well I know for me personally, I HAVE to speak about God because it is part of my makeup and beliefs. It has NOTHING to do with TS. He's a big part of who I am, my experiences, my point of reference. No different than someone who knows all of Michael Jackson's songs, interviews, etc. and talks about the impact MJ has made in their life and references songs. (which I have done too LOL) ie. Make that change.
Can I ask you a couple of questions? Please take the time to answer as authentically as you can....
1. Why does it bother you?
2. If you had your way, what should and shouldn't we be talking about on this site?
Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer.
PS Not ALL the topics on here have to do with religion/God and you yourself said before that religion is not your cup of tea and that you just decide to skip over the topics that cover it.... what has changed?
Is this all becoming a religious armageddon??? Why so much religion??
I personally think that organized religion is a bad thing.You all want to open your eyes to reality then let the religion go ....Just my opinion. Seems that everything latley on this site has to do with religion and that is the fault of TS.
This was meant to be a Michael Jackson Hoax death site and more and more it is becoming a Michael Jackson;s church site ...... just my opinion and yes we are supposed to skip over the things we do not want to read and I do but there seems to be more and more religious things I need to skip over... sorry if I offend anyone but MR Jackson was not and never will be Jesus or GOD. again just my opinion <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
TS if you have something to say other than GOD stuff, please post as this is a MR Jackson hoax death site!!!! I am getting tired of coming onto this forum and having to read the bible stuff......I don;t like bible stuff really, and having lived on this earth for over 50yrs I will never like bible stuff. Can you all make a bible forum?? ONCE AGAIN JUST MY OPINION <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
And Oh by the way I am a really good person !!!! But not a bible person.....JUST MY OPINION !!!!
Shoot I guess you edited your post after I started responding so you answered some of my questions (re skipping over stuff) so I understand a bit better now.
And I would hope that if someone expresses their opinions on this site, and they differ from someone else, that they wouldn't think that the other person is a bad person. Safe to say, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this topic but for the record (we'll see) but even if we do differ, I would not think you are a bad person because of it. <!-- s:-) -->:-)<!-- s:-) -->
Is this all becoming a religious armageddon??? Why so much religion??
I personally think that organized religion is a bad thing.You all want to open your eyes to reality then let the religion go ....Just my opinion. Seems that everything latley on this site has to do with religion and that is the fault of TS.
This was meant to be a Michael Jackson Hoax death site and more and more it is becoming a Michael Jackson;s church site ...... just my opinion and yes we are supposed to skip over the things we do not want to read and I do but there seems to be more and more religious things I need to skip over... sorry if I offend anyone but MR Jackson was not and never will be Jesus or GOD. again just my opinion <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
TS if you have something to say other than GOD stuff, please post as this is a MR Jackson hoax death site!!!! I am getting tired of coming onto this forum and having to read the bible stuff......I don;t like bible stuff really, and having lived on this earth for over 50yrs I will never like bible stuff. Can you all make a bible forum?? ONCE AGAIN JUST MY OPINION <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
And Oh by the way I am a really good person !!!! But not a bible person.....JUST MY OPINION !!!!
Hi LovelyLurker, I think that when you said "I personally think that organized religion is a bad thing" I don't think that religion is necessarily a bad thing but it's really some of the people in it. We see that warfare, terrorism and other crimes are committed in the name of religion which makes religion seem like a bad thing and God wouldn't want his name used in a way that promotes anything like that.
Like someone said on this thread God or religion is apart of their lives, they live by it by practising what the bible says, whether it be by loving one another or respecting one another. I guess TS is the same he/she believes in God/bible that's why his/her posts are 'circled' around this.
Like many have said on here that MJ has a message, a message about love or to open our eyes to other things going on in the world, we are made in the image of God and God is Love, that's why we are too, and so that's why it kinda goes back to God/Bible.
And just because you do not like the bible doesn't mean your a bad person, there are plenty of people out there who are good, humble people who not religious, just because you don't like the bible you are no different than any of us or any lesser than any of us, nor those who believe in God/Bible is no lesser or different than anyone who isn't religious. I also have to say it's good that you can have your own point of view and express it without feeling like your opinion is any less.
Sorry for all the talk on the God/Bible I just thought this was a good way to explain what I was going to say.
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I am 100% convinced that IT is for 2012 ... This Is It - This is the Moment - This is the TIME ... resonates in my mind...
Sarahli, what makes you so sure? I thought you are Muslim. As far as I know stuff like that are not mentioned in the Quran?! So I belive Muslims think that the end of the World is only known by God. Don't forget the great wars...... and other suff too............
There is religion and there is faith. IMO those are two seperate things. I think the majority of the people in this world have faith, believe in something, however they call it, that protects them and that influences their ways of living. I don't name it, because using 'God' always reminds me of the people around me who are completely brainwashed and controlled by their religion, but I think I mean the same as when someoen else talks about God.
If you say this is a board about Michael Jackson, then talking about faith and God is inevitable. Michael believes in God and reads the Bible. He uses the Bible and his faith for this hoax, so it can not be ignored. The Bible redirects can be interesting for anyone who is not religious as well, because it's the way you interpretate the scriptures and use them in your own life. Many parts in the Bible have great life lessons in them, if only you can read between the lines. Besides all that, if someone wants a hoax exactly the way he or she wants, he or she should hoax his or her own death. This is his death hoax and who are we to tell him how he should hoax his death?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
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MJhas spoken.... you are very right and I concede to your ideas... Just because I do not believe in religion does not make me better or worse..... it is just what it is. I think sometimes that people ... like the terrorist that you are talking about, take their religion to the extreme.
I have no problem with the lovely people I know who are religious but I guess I just have a problem with the fact that the Hoax site here had become a refuge for TS and his / her ideals and if he/she wanted followers he/she would have been more neutral. The original sites were more neutral and as many members became enthralled with TS the site became what TS wanted it to be.
TS ... let the members know who you are and if you want the masses to follow give them a site to go to.
Just my little humble opinion and Lilwendy you are right I am not much of a LovelyLurker tonight.
I am 100% convinced that IT is for 2012 ... This Is It - This is the Moment - This is the TIME ... resonates in my mind...
Sarahli, what makes you so sure? I thought you are Muslim. As far as I know stuff like that are not mentioned in the Quran?! So I belive Muslims think that the end of the World is only known by God. Don't forget the great wars...... and other suff too............
Hi diggyon. Yes I'm Muslim (servant of God alone) I follow the Quran but I also acknowledge the Bible as being the Word of God, I believe in it too, the Torah as well, all the Holy Books in reality. The majority of Muslims today don't know about it but there is a mathematical code embedded in the Quran proving beyond all doubt that this is the Word of God, see my post in the below mentionned thread for more info, and the year 2012 is encoded in it, something will definitely happen that year. The end of the world is for 2280, so 2012 is not the end of the world that's true it's the end of this civilization/era. Please don't think that I'm crazy I am saying that with all the seriousness of the world. I really think that God will give a chance to the people to redeem themselves and send a warner before anything happens, God is All Merciful that's why we can know the YEAR imo. Maybe not the Hour or the Day but at least the year... but of course most of the people will ridicule that kind of things until it's too late. Not everybody is meant to believe in the signs/Books and revelations so I know already how this post will be perceived <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> it even happened within my own family....
I have a Coran at home and I like to read it too.
Bible is cool <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> !!
I like so much to read it.
I think it's a pitty and a waste to live a life on earth and not read at least the gospels.JMO...... And I was an atheist a long time ago
TS please, don't give up to the Bible quotes!!
I am 100% convinced that IT is for 2012 ... This Is It - This is the Moment - This is the TIME ... resonates in my mind...
Sarahli, what makes you so sure? I thought you are Muslim. As far as I know stuff like that are not mentioned in the Quran?! So I belive Muslims think that the end of the World is only known by God. Don't forget the great wars...... and other suff too............
Hi diggyon. Yes I'm Muslim (servant of God alone) I follow the Quran but I also acknowledge the Bible as being the Word of God, I believe in it too, the Torah as well, all the Holy Books in reality. The majority of Muslims today don't know about it but there is a mathematical code embedded in the Quran proving beyond all doubt that this is the Word of God, see my post in the below mentionned thread for more info, and the year 2012 is encoded in it, something will definitely happen that year. The end of the world is for 2280, so 2012 is not the end of the world that's true it's the end of this civilization/era. Please don't think that I'm crazy I am saying that with all the seriousness of the world. I really think that God will give a chance to the people to redeem themselves and send a warner before anything happens, God is All Merciful that's why we can know the YEAR imo. Maybe not the Hour or the Day but at least the year... but of course most of the people will ridicule that kind of things until it's too late. Not everybody is meant to believe in the signs/Books and revelations so I know already how this post will be perceived <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> it even happened within my own family....
Actually I read the Quran several times and I understand it very well. You mentioned that the time 2012 is encoded in the Quran. So can you tell me exactly where it is encoded? I think information like this could cause a very big debate in my opinion!!That's why you better have a very good explanation! By the way, Muslims don't accept any kind of information, like hidden messages in the Quran or hidden numbers unless it comes from their sheikhs. So where did you get this information from, as a Muslim?
You also mentioned the 2012 is going to be the end of this civilization. So can you quote from the Quran where this is mentioned?
of course not, Sarahli. But you have said something and in order to believe what you said I need a proof, otherwise what you said is wrong. Remember, we don't believe what we read, we have to investigate. So can you quote from the Quran that the year 2012 is the end of civilization?
diggyon, it can cause more than a big debate believe me, but I don't force anyone to believe that, I am not a sheik lol but I don't blindly follow what Muslim "scholars" say. I only follow God so I don't need that it is a recognized fact by a so called authority to accept it. Certainly these sheiks as you call them will not acknowledge that kind of things.
For the year 2012 encoded:
It is in Sura 55 "Most Gracious" I remember always reading that sura asking myself why God repeats several times this verse: "Which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?" but I never went farther than that. Just kept on reading without asking.
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To read the sura 55 go here <!-- m -->http://www.submission.org/suras/sura55.html<!-- m --> the verse is repeated 31 times in that sura. When you add the numbers of these precise verses (listed below) you obtain the number 1433.
... and 1433 correspond to a lunar year in the Islamic calendar which correspond to 2012 in the Christian calendar. The whole sura contains 355 words and a lunar year is made of 354/355 days so it is about a year and not just a number.
Now for the end of the era/civilization it is more my personal understanding and in the Quran God warns us repeadetly to avoid the fate of the past generations who did not uphold their covenant with Him. Why wouldn't it happen again, especially when we see what this world has become... I think that a lot of people are denying God's marvels and in 2012 everybody will take heed and there will be no more denial.
Now if you don't find that it is a good explanation that's okay. I am not here to convince anyone of anything.
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3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and They Shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, Clothed in Sackcloth.
June 2009-December 2012 ... are exactly three and a half years. Is there any connection here?
Or I have too much fantasy
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Re: TIAI 7/14
by Im_convincedmjalive » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:37 pm
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For those who are interested in more information on 777, Ark of the Covenant, etc. please see link above. I apologize for the rough nature of the work. hee hee, I was a newbie in study and my thoughts scattered as I wrote. I added alot of my personality in my posts and maybe it will seem frivolous, sorry.
There is alot of good info already compiled in that link above. Many members contributed to the investigation. I am glad to see this turn in events. There is probably alot of missing info and perhaps TS will address this in the future.
Thanks in advance TS.
Peace
God wants to love us and give us our heart's desires. But we have to reconnect with him daily. So I feel he is moving on his children to bring us to a hightened sence of awareness Everything Michael is doing requires us to think outside the box. We need to be prepared for the unimaginable.
Yes I know several individuals that had the idea of Michael and Elvis being the two wittnesses. what is to say they have no chance to be used by God that way, I would certainly blow the world away!
Kevin J Conner in his book -Interpreting the Symbols and Types- says that "stars" represent light bearers and the spiritual seed of Abraham. "Stars fallen" are a picture of the fallen away or apostate saints. I found this something of significance with regard to your use of Wycliffe's translation and in keeping with his message of exposing apostate "religion" versus spiritual birth and experiential relationship.
Those vids by Chuck Missler were brilliant. The gospel is written in the stars. To quote Mr Missler.
The stars were put there for signs.....God's greatest achievment is not the creation, it's redemption.
What did it cost God to create the universe...6 days....What did it cost God to redeem us....His Son.
No kidding <!-- s
yes I agree...... we are not free and we can not be free if we don't allow us to be free!!
So there is no sense in guessing when the end will be, it is more that we should be ready we He returns.
Regarding the illusion of freedom: John 8:31-32 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
And Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
This is the bottomline... we have to be about the truth. This is the ONLY way to TRUE freedom. Freedom in Christ.
beautifully said.
I personally think that organized religion is a bad thing.You all want to open your eyes to reality then let the religion go ....Just my opinion. Seems that everything latley on this site has to do with religion and that is the fault of TS.
This was meant to be a Michael Jackson Hoax death site and more and more it is becoming a Michael Jackson;s church site ...... just my opinion and yes we are supposed to skip over the things we do not want to read and I do but there seems to be more and more religious things I need to skip over... sorry if I offend anyone but MR Jackson was not and never will be Jesus or GOD. again just my opinion <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
TS if you have something to say other than GOD stuff, please post as this is a MR Jackson hoax death site!!!! I am getting tired of coming onto this forum and having to read the bible stuff......I don;t like bible stuff really, and having lived on this earth for over 50yrs I will never like bible stuff. Can you all make a bible forum?? ONCE AGAIN JUST MY OPINION <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
And Oh by the way I am a really good person !!!! But not a bible person.....JUST MY OPINION !!!!
Well I know for me personally, I HAVE to speak about God because it is part of my makeup and beliefs. It has NOTHING to do with TS. He's a big part of who I am, my experiences, my point of reference. No different than someone who knows all of Michael Jackson's songs, interviews, etc. and talks about the impact MJ has made in their life and references songs. (which I have done too LOL) ie. Make that change.
Can I ask you a couple of questions? Please take the time to answer as authentically as you can....
1. Why does it bother you?
2. If you had your way, what should and shouldn't we be talking about on this site?
Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer.
PS Not ALL the topics on here have to do with religion/God and you yourself said before that religion is not your cup of tea and that you just decide to skip over the topics that cover it.... what has changed?
Shoot I guess you edited your post after I started responding so you answered some of my questions (re skipping over stuff) so I understand a bit better now.
And I would hope that if someone expresses their opinions on this site, and they differ from someone else, that they wouldn't think that the other person is a bad person. Safe to say, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this topic but for the record (we'll see) but even if we do differ, I would not think you are a bad person because of it. <!-- s:-) -->:-)<!-- s:-) -->
Hi LovelyLurker, I think that when you said "I personally think that organized religion is a bad thing" I don't think that religion is necessarily a bad thing but it's really some of the people in it. We see that warfare, terrorism and other crimes are committed in the name of religion which makes religion seem like a bad thing and God wouldn't want his name used in a way that promotes anything like that.
Like someone said on this thread God or religion is apart of their lives, they live by it by practising what the bible says, whether it be by loving one another or respecting one another. I guess TS is the same he/she believes in God/bible that's why his/her posts are 'circled' around this.
Like many have said on here that MJ has a message, a message about love or to open our eyes to other things going on in the world, we are made in the image of God and God is Love, that's why we are too, and so that's why it kinda goes back to God/Bible.
And just because you do not like the bible doesn't mean your a bad person, there are plenty of people out there who are good, humble people who not religious, just because you don't like the bible you are no different than any of us or any lesser than any of us, nor those who believe in God/Bible is no lesser or different than anyone who isn't religious. I also have to say it's good that you can have your own point of view and express it without feeling like your opinion is any less.
Sorry for all the talk on the God/Bible I just thought this was a good way to explain what I was going to say.
If you say this is a board about Michael Jackson, then talking about faith and God is inevitable. Michael believes in God and reads the Bible. He uses the Bible and his faith for this hoax, so it can not be ignored. The Bible redirects can be interesting for anyone who is not religious as well, because it's the way you interpretate the scriptures and use them in your own life. Many parts in the Bible have great life lessons in them, if only you can read between the lines. Besides all that, if someone wants a hoax exactly the way he or she wants, he or she should hoax his or her own death. This is his death hoax and who are we to tell him how he should hoax his death?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I have no problem with the lovely people I know who are religious but I guess I just have a problem with the fact that the Hoax site here had become a refuge for TS and his / her ideals and if he/she wanted followers he/she would have been more neutral. The original sites were more neutral and as many members became enthralled with TS the site became what TS wanted it to be.
TS ... let the members know who you are and if you want the masses to follow give them a site to go to.
Just my little humble opinion and Lilwendy you are right I am not much of a LovelyLurker tonight.
Hi diggyon. Yes I'm Muslim (servant of God alone) I follow the Quran but I also acknowledge the Bible as being the Word of God, I believe in it too, the Torah as well, all the Holy Books in reality. The majority of Muslims today don't know about it but there is a mathematical code embedded in the Quran proving beyond all doubt that this is the Word of God, see my post in the below mentionned thread for more info, and the year 2012 is encoded in it, something will definitely happen that year. The end of the world is for 2280, so 2012 is not the end of the world that's true it's the end of this civilization/era. Please don't think that I'm crazy I am saying that with all the seriousness of the world. I really think that God will give a chance to the people to redeem themselves and send a warner before anything happens, God is All Merciful that's why we can know the YEAR imo. Maybe not the Hour or the Day but at least the year... but of course most of the people will ridicule that kind of things until it's too late. Not everybody is meant to believe in the signs/Books and revelations so I know already how this post will be perceived <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> it even happened within my own family....
See my posts in this thread: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426<!-- l -->
If you have questions don't hesitate to ask me.
Bible is cool <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> !!
I like so much to read it.
I think it's a pitty and a waste to live a life on earth and not read at least the gospels.JMO...... And I was an atheist a long time ago
TS please, don't give up to the Bible quotes!!
You also mentioned the 2012 is going to be the end of this civilization. So can you quote from the Quran where this is mentioned?
For the year 2012 encoded:
It is in Sura 55 "Most Gracious" I remember always reading that sura asking myself why God repeats several times this verse: "Which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?" but I never went farther than that. Just kept on reading without asking.
Recently I read with a more inquisitive mind <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> and I really wondered why this verse was repeated so many times. I really sensed that it was not made by chance, God does not do anything at random, there must be a reason. So I asked God and not long after I came across an explanation on the internet which for me makes sense and I personally consider it to be an answer to my request.
To read the sura 55 go here <!-- m -->http://www.submission.org/suras/sura55.html<!-- m --> the verse is repeated 31 times in that sura. When you add the numbers of these precise verses (listed below) you obtain the number 1433.
(13, 16, 18, 21, 23, 25, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 45, 47, 49, 51, 53, 55, 57, 59, 61, 63, 65, 67, 69, 71, 73, 75, 77)
... and 1433 correspond to a lunar year in the Islamic calendar which correspond to 2012 in the Christian calendar. The whole sura contains 355 words and a lunar year is made of 354/355 days so it is about a year and not just a number.
Now for the end of the era/civilization it is more my personal understanding and in the Quran God warns us repeadetly to avoid the fate of the past generations who did not uphold their covenant with Him. Why wouldn't it happen again, especially when we see what this world has become... I think that a lot of people are denying God's marvels and in 2012 everybody will take heed and there will be no more denial.
Now if you don't find that it is a good explanation that's okay. I am not here to convince anyone of anything.
Sorry for the long post I made it as short as possible <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->