Souza wrote: "Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in
"Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk -
This redirect is very curious to me.
Just yesterday I had a debate about Lutheranism <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> and how teaching the concept of Christ for the simple people and the younger ones, stimulating all people, to believe and become Christians was used as a reform movement that is very prominet in Northen Europe
Once again I feel "being indoctrinated" indirectly with all of this TS redirections to the bible.
Preaching door to door but in a modern times way <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Martin Luther King, Jr., was born on January 15, 1929, in Atlanta, Georgia, the middle child of the Reverend Martin Luther King, Sr. and Alberta Williams King.[5] King's father was born "Michael King", and Martin Luther King, Jr., was originally named "Michael King, Jr.," until the family traveled to Europe in 1934 and visited Germany. His father soon changed both of their names to Martin Luther in honor of the German Protestant leader Martin Luther.
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.
A lot of good comments already on this re-direct, just to add what you probably already all know:
Martin Luther King jr was born Michael King jr and renamed Martin Luther King jr some 5 years later.
paula-c wrote:
Souza wrote: "Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in
"Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk -
This is similar to a speech by Adolf Hitler
please, let us be careful with that quote, it's reliability is very questionable:
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I do not know if Menachem Begin said those words or not, I think actually a speech by Adolf Hitler <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
In his later years, Luther became strongly antisemitic, writing that Jewish homes should be destroyed, their synagogues burned, money confiscated and liberty curtailed. These statements have made Luther a controversial figure among many historians and religious scholars.[8]
Sounds like he was quite racist and hateful.
no no! Different Martin Luther!
Goodness, that's not Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., that's a historical figure from at least a couple hundred years ago named simply "Martin Luther". Omigosh, please don't get these two men confused.
paula-c wrote:
Souza wrote: "Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in
"Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk -
This is similar to a speech by Adolf Hitler
please, let us be careful with that quote, it's reliability is very questionable:
<!-- m -->http://begincenterdiary.blogspot.com/20<!-- m --> ... ly-by.html
I do not know if Menachem Begin said those words or not, I think actually a speech by Adolf Hitler <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Now that is going down a gigantic rabbit hole, that I'm sure many would be very uncomfortable going down. It has to do with the creation of the state of Israel, the Holocaust industry, the villifying of all things Germany and the take-over of the world militarally, economically, morally. There has been an agenda, the world has been major lied to for at least a century, and the church has been swept right into sympathy with them. This will align the church with the Beast for an end-time world-wide dictatorship. People talk about Ahmadinejad's false statement of so-called "wiping Israel off the map" taken out of context, but there is a whole lot more where the Israeli quotes come from. <!-- m -->http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ja ... themap.htm<!-- m -->
Personally I think Bible is wrongly being put into this redirect when the message is instead about racism and oppression, and being created equal by God, not about our doctrinal beliefs.
Thanks for this redirect TS. I am a Christian - Lutheran and attend a lutheran church. so I've learned a bit about Martin Luther. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> I am going to read now. Thanks. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
In his later years, Luther became strongly antisemitic, writing that Jewish homes should be destroyed, their synagogues burned, money confiscated and liberty curtailed. These statements have made Luther a controversial figure among many historians and religious scholars.[8]
Sounds like he was quite racist and hateful.
no no! Different Martin Luther!
Goodness, that's not Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., that's a historical figure from at least a couple hundred years ago named simply "Martin Luther". Omigosh, please don't get these two men confused.
Hi Bec, no don't worry, I wasn't referring to MLK Jr. I was referring to the guy TS redirected us to today <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Once again I feel "being indoctrinated" indirectly with all of this TS redirections to the bible.
Preaching door to door but in a modern times way <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I must say that I don't have a problem with the Bible references. At first I was a little sceptical, but I always want to see what things turn into. Due to inaccurate interpretations of the Bible, a lot of people misunderstood the real meaning of the scriptures. I had to read it in school when I was young and I never understood a word. Many people abusing God and the Bible for their own vicious agenda, made me sceptical about the Bible and God as well. But being taught about the real purpose of life and the real meaning of the Bible and God is a good thing and even I can say now that I do believe in God, I do believe in love and I do have faith. I just think they should ban all the men in dresses and gold telling people what to do and that people should find their own truth in the Bible and as far as I understood from the books I have been reading, that was exactly what Jesus preached.
For people that think that this is a bad thing, I think they should think back and see what they have been taught the bad way their whole lives. We have been taught to desocialize, to loose ourselves in our work to become someone we mostly don't even want to be only with the purpose to make more money, have more power while we don't even realize our power decreases. People don't respect each other anymore and love is something we only see written on a Valentine's card without understanding what it really is. The past year-and-a-half I felt regret that I never followed MJ. Maybe if I would have been a fan I would have undertood his message earlier and I would have opened my eyes sooner. He really had to die to make me aware of the problems in the world and with that I mean the real problems, not just the one on the surface. He has taught me indirectly through TS (or directly, who knows?) that there is more in life than I initially thought and that we have to fight for our freedom before it's too late. He also taught me to have faith, no matter what. Whatever is ahead of us after the shit hits the fan, the alternative is worse and that makes one fearless.
I have issues trusting people in life, because I have been disappointed many times. Yet I trust Mike completely. I can't pinpoint exactly why, but I do, even though I have never met him. It must say more about him than about me. I feel the same way about TS. He shows courage under fire and guides those who want to be guided (because no one HAS to, it's our own choice to trust him or not) to awareness and awakening and prepares us for what is about to come and he does so with grace and with a heart, which I can see even through his pragmatic way of writing. Even though he has been slandered and falsely accused, he kept guiding those who do appriciate him. That shows he has a strong will and a strong charachter and I love that. Both Mike and TS have my full support in everything they do and I trust them completely. I will be there, whatever needs to be done.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
lilwendy wrote:
It is about a personal relationship with God. This does not happen in a church building. This does not happen by sitting in a pew and listening to a priest on Sunday. It does not happen by being a good person. It doesn’t happen by choosing to take a Sabbath rest. It’s a RELATIONSHIP!
This is wonderful!! I have been saying this since the beginning of the journey with Michael. Seth Riggs was very close to Michael for over 30, and Seth has stated many times that Michael is a Christian. TS redirect I feel is outlining the message of Grace, that we have Salvation as Michael said we needed, not by our works and deeds, but about our faith in the sacrifice Jesus made on the Cross for our salvation. The bible says if we call upon the name of the Lord and believe and have faith, that is what bring salvation.
Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
I am so thrilled and amazed at what TS is showing us here. It is a beautiful thing! Michael is truly being used of God to bring us into a place that we need to be for what Christ is about to do in the world. Praise God he is so in LOVE with us!!
"A lot of good comments already on this re-direct, just to add what you probably already all know:
Martin Luther King jr was born Michael King jr and renamed Martin Luther King jr some 5 years later.
Interesting!
Michael King and King Michael!
With L.O.V.E"
Thanks Running Girl ... I never knew this fact, so thanks for sharing. There's so much synchronicity involved in this hoax ... the Rabbit Hole goes a long way down <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
lilwendy wrote:
TS redirect I feel is outlining the message of Grace, that we have Salvation as Michael said we needed, not by our works and deeds, but about our faith in the sacrifice Jesus made on the Cross for our salvation. The bible says if we call upon the name of the Lord and believe and have faith, that is what bring salvation.
I am so thrilled and amazed at what TS is showing us here. It is a beautiful thing! Michael is truly being used of God to bring us into a place that we need to be for what Christ is about to do in the world. Praise God he is so in LOVE with us!!
I thought I posted something on this thread already, but maybe I hit the wrong button. But I think you hit on the heart of the matter. Being raised Catholic I learned to fear God and his retribution. Imagine a 10 year old lying in bed contemplating an infinity of burning in hell for some infraction. Hard to get over those kinds of scars.
In Catholic school we learned that Martin Luther was a heretic. There were many, but he was the King! And what was his heresy? He believed that we could be saved, as Navibi points out, by grace alone, by our faith. So, according to the Church, this man was condemned to hell because he believed in God's infinite mercy.
If Martin Luther were living, he wouldn't let THIS be. What exactly is the 'this' we are talking about? Here's another random thought. MJ appeared as the deeply scarred Dave Dave and blamed his father for the scars. What father was he talking about? Was he talking about Joe Jackson 0R was he talking about the scars left by a society that patterns itself upon an angry, legalistic, vengeful God?
<!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: --> Well I must say that was an interesting read. I don't know much of history. For me this is an education I could never of thought I was gonna get with this adventure.
I have no opinion on the Jew issue. I do understand racism, discrimination, and oppression. I will never know of the plight of being a black person but I can imagine it.
I would like to share a poem my daughter wrote for English class. She had to pick a character from The Crucible. <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crucible<!-- m -->
She chose to write a poem about Reverend John Hale and it is in the form of first person. She is 17 and teaches me everyday. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
John Hale (3 June 1636 – 15 May 1700), commonly referred to as Reverend Hale, was the pastor of the Church of Christ in Beverly, Massachusetts, during the Salem witch trials in 1692. He was one of the most prominent and influential clergymen associated with the witch trials, and is most noted as having initially supported the trials, and then changing his mind, publishing a critique of them.
When you tell my story
You may look at me as a
Blessing to the world to help you
Care for you and even make mistakes
And accuse you of the wrong things
May I say sorry?
When you tell my story
You may look me in the eyes
And see someone who is confused
On what I'm supposed to be doing
Or why I'm even here
When you tell my story
You will feel my conflict
And see the rage of ignorance
I will follow what they accuse
But I know the truth I hope they will
Too one day
And when you tell my story
Remember I did give you permission
To look me in the eyes and let you
See the person who came into this community
As a wonderful loving person who wants to help you
With all the lies and the drama and guide you back
To the right place where you need to be
Which are in God's arms.
Well I must say that was an interesting read. I don't know much of history. For me this is an education I could never of thought I was gonna get with this adventure.
I have no opinion on the Jew issue. I do understand racism, discrimination, and oppression. I will never know of the plight of being a black person but I can imagine it.
I would like to share a poem my daughter wrote for English class. She had to pick a character from The Crucible. <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crucible<!-- m -->
She chose to write a poem about Reverend John Hale and it is in the form of first person. She is 17 and teaches me everyday.
John Hale (3 June 1636 – 15 May 1700), commonly referred to as Reverend Hale, was the pastor of the Church of Christ in Beverly, Massachusetts, during the Salem witch trials in 1692. He was one of the most prominent and influential clergymen associated with the witch trials, and is most noted as having initially supported the trials, and then changing his mind, publishing a critique of them.
When you tell my story
You may look at me as a
Blessing to the world to help you
Care for you and even make mistakes
And accuse you of the wrong things
May I say sorry?
When you tell my story
You may look me in the eyes
And see someone who is confused
On what I'm supposed to be doing
Or why I'm even here
When you tell my story
You will feel my conflict
And see the rage of ignorance
I will follow what they accuse
But I know the truth I hope they will
Too one day
And when you tell my story
Remember I did give you permission
To look me in the eyes and let you
See the person who came into this community
As a wonderful loving person who wants to help you
With all the lies and the drama and guide you back
To the right place where you need to be
Which are in God's arms.
Peace
17 years.... Beautiful poem, congratulations of my part <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I must say that I don't have a problem with the Bible references. At first I was a little sceptical, but I always want to see what things turn into.
I just think they should ban all the men in dresses and gold telling people what to do and that people should find their own truth in the Bible and as far as I understood from the books I have been reading, that was exactly what Jesus preached.
Both Mike and TS have my full support in everything they do and I trust them completely. I will be there, whatever needs to be done.
Outstanding points! I feel very similarly. Growing up in Austria (right next to Germany)- I learned my share about Martin Luther in school- but re-reading some of the info from today’s redirect and putting things in the larger context with Michael and with what is going on around us today really brought home several points.
As LilWendy said so amazingly in her blog (which was so great- thank you for that) it is about a personal relationship with God. Michael’s relationship with his God, and all of our’s. If we do not have one as we chose not to- that is a valid choice. For the purpose of the hoax and investigating it, we just need to keep him mind Michael’s strong beliefs and his strong sense of responsibility about the extreme power he had over his legions of fans (now his soldiers of L.O.V.E). I think he was well aware of the potential of misuse of this power- as well as the potential of being accused of misuse of power (just look at the child molestation allegations- what greater misuse of power could there be?).
Michael has an amazing platform now- he is not telling us to follow any one idea or dogma- he is just directing us toward God and HIS word. About the foundation of faith- which is believing. About our basic responsibility to take care of ourselves and each other- through love, charity, understanding, and brotherhood- not because otherwise some priest will yell at us, or we fear not to get into heaven. But instead because we believe from deep inside it is the right thing to do.
Personally, I have become very cynical about organized religions. Reading today’s redirect, your posts, and LilWendy’s blog, I really thought a lot about how in a way, I realize this cynicism had in a way turned me away from religion altogether. BUT: as history shows us, just because we mistrust and realize the abuse by some religious organizations does not mean we have to automatically turn away from whatever God or belief system we have faith in. On the contrary- we all have individual responsibility to speak up and correct evil and corruption in our own way.
I am so appreciative of today’s redirect (and of course there are some great clues in there again as well)- as the message really hit home. Thank you, TS.
In his later years, Luther became strongly antisemitic, writing that Jewish homes should be destroyed, their synagogues burned, money confiscated and liberty curtailed. These statements have made Luther a controversial figure among many historians and religious scholars.[8]
Sounds like he was quite racist and hateful.
If I think I had been a Jew, living at that time, I would have feared for my life. Spreading antisemitic paroles in such a way is the opposite of love, rather rudeness and hate against a minority. So I wonder if he helped pave the way for hate against a religious group by his influence in future generations. Religious tolerance looks different in my opinion. Why did he hate them so much that he suggests destroying their churches, their homes, I do not understand? If I understand it right, he directed his fury against the ordinary people, not against an elite-group. But even then, his ideas seem rather drastic, and hadn't they been carried out centuries later by others in an inhumane way?
What does the redirect want to express then? He was a zealous religious reformer, ok. Does the redirect warn us how blind racism and intolerance can lead to hate? ML's views concerning anti-Judaism and anti-semitism are in contrast to MLK's views (yesterday's redirect), who used to be against racism and preach peace. I do understand MLK's message. Sorry, but I couldn't accept ML as a religious "leader" if he preached religious intolerance. I understand Michael Jackson's message as one of love and understanding, not hate in any form against innocent people.
Luther advocated setting synagogues on fire, destroying Jewish prayerbooks, forbidding rabbis from preaching, seizing Jews' property and money, and smashing up their homes, so that these "poisonous envenomed worms" would be forced into labour or expelled "for all time".[202] In Robert Michael's view, Luther's words "We are at fault in not slaying them" amounted to a sanction for murder.[203]
Martin Luther's strong antisemitism as described here is new to me, history books or religious books seem not to tell much about this "dark side" of a famous influential man, at least I don't recall having read it. So this redirect taught me more about it. The purpose might have been a different one, though. But a redirect alone, without any further comment, leaves space for a variety of interpretations.
Martin Luther's antisemitism was new to me, so I researched it. Apparently he was not always of this mind. Here is something he wrote in 1523 which has a completely different approach. I'm having a difficult time reconciling the two.
If I had been a Jew and had seen such dolts and blockheads govern and teach the Christian faith, I would sooner have become a hog than a Christian. They have dealt with the Jews as if they were dogs rather than human beings; they have done little else than deride them and seize their property. When they baptize them they show them nothing of Christian doctrine or life, but only subject them to popishness and monkery...If the apostles, who also were Jews, had dealt with us Gentiles as we Gentiles deal with the Jews, there would never have been a Christian among the Gentiles ... When we are inclined to boast of our position [as Christians] we should remember that we are but Gentiles, while the Jews are of the lineage of Christ. We are aliens and in-laws; they are blood relatives, cousins, and brothers of our Lord. Therefore, if one is to boast of flesh and blood the Jews are actually nearer to Christ than we are...If we really want to help them, we must be guided in our dealings with them not by papal law but by the law of Christian love. We must receive them cordially, and permit them to trade and work with us, that they may have occasion and opportunity to associate with us, hear our Christian teaching, and witness our Christian life. If some of them should prove stiff-necked, what of it? After all, we ourselves are not all good Christians either.
Is it possible that Luther was in his later writings, talking about powerful Jewish families, much like Souza suggested Michael was talking about? Otherwise I have no explanation for this incredible turnabout in attitude.
What you found out by research is quite interesting. The opposite of what he said later in life. His message here is really Christian and full of love, tolerance and compassion for a religious group, he even called brothers. But again, how shall we know today, what he uttered in a completely different time. He might have changed his mind, and it is difficult to see why so radically. He might have become a bitter, rude man with old age and deteriorating health. I was shocked to read his ideas of extinguishing a group of people for their religious belief, Jesus having been of Jewish descent himself.
When Jesus walked the earth it was the unbelieving Jews that put him to death. Then after Jesus said "It is finished" and hung his head to die...some immediately had their eyes opened and said... this truly was the Son of God. Jesus was pre destined to die for us, but it is sad that at times is does take loosing someone to see who they really are and value what they gave so freely!!!
I not that to think about this redirection, on one hand Luther I separate to thousands of persons of the diabolical claws of the catholic Roman papistry, and by other one it is accused of anti-Semite. I believe that when Luther was referring to the Jewish village " not to refer to ALL the Jews, but only to the WICKED, greedy, blasphemous and anti-Christian Jews of the epoch, I do not believe that to ignore that the Christ, the apostles and the majority of the first Christians were JEWISH all of them.
i don't know if it is in the information that was provided or not (i have been battleing a backache today and don't have the stamina to read it right now) but it seems i remember reading something sometime ago about martin luther. it seems it was that the common man in his time did not even have access to the scriptures and he was instrumental in changing that so that not only the royals or church leaders or whatever were who could actually see the text for themselves.
Where was the LOVE in Martin Luther's Christian journey?
Passages taken from the Wikipedia article we were redirected to:
Luther sympathised with some of the peasants' grievances, as he showed in his response to the Twelve Articles in May 1525, but he reminded the aggrieved to obey the temporal authorities…
In Against the Murderous, Thieving Hordes of Peasants, written on his return to Wittenberg, he explained the Gospel teaching on wealth, condemned the violence as the devil's work, and called for the nobles to put down the rebels like mad dogs:
Therefore let everyone who can, smite, slay, and stab, secretly or openly, remembering that nothing can be more poisonous, hurtful, or devilish than a rebel ...
…Fine Christians they are! I think there is not a devil left in hell; they have all gone into the peasants….
For Luther's biographer Martin Brecht, this partnership "was the beginning of a questionable and originally unintended development towards a church government under the temporal sovereign".[98] The elector authorised a visitation of the church, a power formerly exercised by bishops.[99] At times, Luther's practical reforms fell short of his earlier radical pronouncements. For example, the Instructions for the Visitors of Parish Pastors in Electoral Saxony (1528), drafted by Melanchthon with Luther's approval, stressed the role of repentance in the forgiveness of sins, despite Luther's position that faith alone ensures justification.[100] The Eisleben reformer Johannes Agricola challenged this compromise, and Luther condemned him for teaching that faith is separate from works.[101] The Instruction is a problematic document for those seeking a consistent evolution in Luther's thought and practice.[102]
He saw the Turks as a scourge sent to punish Christians by God, as agents of the Biblical apocalypse that would destroy the antichrist, whom Luther believed to be the papacy, and the Roman Church.[156] He consistently rejected the idea of a Holy War, "as though our people were an army of Christians against the Turks, who were enemies of Christ. This is absolutely contrary to Christ's doctrine and name".[157] On the other hand, in keeping with his doctrine of the two kingdoms, Luther did support non-religious war against the Turks.[158] In 1526, he argued in Whether Soldiers can be in a State of Grace that national defence is reason for a just war.[159] By 1529, in On War against the Turk, he was actively urging Emperor Charles V and the German people to fight a secular war against the Turks.[160] He made clear, however, that the spiritual war against an alien faith was separate, to be waged through prayer and repentance.[161] Around the time of the Siege of Vienna, Luther wrote a prayer for national deliverance from the Turks, asking God to "give to our emperor perpetual victory over our enemies".[162]
In 1542, Luther read a Latin translation of the Qur'an.[163] He went on to produce several critical pamphlets on the Islamic faith, which he called Mohammedanism or the Turk.[164] Though Luther saw the Muslim faith as a tool of the devil, he was indifferent to its practice: "Let the Turk believe and live as he will, just as one lets the papacy and other false Christians live."[165] He opposed banning the publication of the Qur'an, wanting it exposed to scrutiny.
Luther wrote about the Jews throughout his career, though only a few of his works dealt with them directly.[193] Luther rarely encountered Jews during his life, but his attitudes reflected a theological and cultural tradition which saw Jews as a rejected people guilty of the murder of Christ, and he lived within a local community that had expelled Jews some ninety years earlier.[194] He considered the Jews blasphemers and liars because they rejected the divinity of Jesus, whereas Christians believed Jesus was the Messiah.[195] At the same time, Luther believed that all human beings who set themselves against God shared one and the same guilt.[196] As early as 1516, Luther wrote, "...[M]any people are proud with marvelous stupidity when they call the Jews dogs, evildoers, or whatever they like, while they too, and equally, do not realize who or what they are in the sight of God".[197] In 1523, Luther advised kindness toward the Jews in That Jesus Christ was Born a Jew, but only with the aim of converting them to Christianity.[198] When his efforts at conversion failed, he grew increasingly bitter toward them.[199]
Luther's other major works on the Jews were his 60,000-word treatise Von den Juden und Ihren Lügen (On the Jews and Their Lies), and Vom Schem Hamphoras und vom Geschlecht Christi (On the Holy Name and the Lineage of Christ), both published in 1543, three years before his death.[200] Luther argued that the Jews were no longer the chosen people but "the devil's people": he referred to them with violent, vile language.[201][202] Luther advocated setting synagogues on fire, destroying Jewish prayerbooks, forbidding rabbis from preaching, seizing Jews' property and money, and smashing up their homes, so that these "poisonous envenomed worms" would be forced into labour or expelled "for all time".[203] In Robert Michael's view, Luther's words "We are at fault in not slaying them" amounted to a sanction for murder.[204] Luther's "recommendations" for how to treat the Jews was a clear reference to the "sharp mercy" of Deuteronomy 13, the punishments prescribed by Moses for those who led others to "false gods".[205]
Luther spoke out against the Jews in Saxony, Brandenburg, and Silesia.[206] Josel of Rosheim, the Jewish spokesman who tried to help the Jews of Saxony in 1537, later blamed their plight on "that priest whose name was Martin Luther—may his body and soul be bound up in hell!—who wrote and issued many heretical books in which he said that whoever would help the Jews was doomed to perdition."[207] Josel asked the city of Strasbourg to forbid the sale of Luther's anti-Jewish works: they refused initially, but relented when a Lutheran pastor in Hochfelden used a sermon to urge his parishioners to murder Jews.[206] Luther's influence persisted after his death. Throughout the 1580s, riots led to the expulsion of Jews from several German Lutheran states.[208]
Luther was the most widely read author of his generation, and he acquired the status of a prophet within Germany.[209] According to the prevailing view among historians,[210] his anti-Jewish rhetoric contributed significantly to the development of antisemitism in Germany,[211] and in the 1930s and 1940s provided an "ideal underpinning" for the National Socialists' attacks on Jews.[212] Reinhold Lewin writes that "whoever wrote against the Jews for whatever reason believed he had the right to justify himself by triumphantly referring to Luther." According to Michael, just about every anti-Jewish book printed in the Third Reich contained references to and quotations from Luther. Heinrich Himmler wrote admiringly of his writings and sermons on the Jews in 1940.[213] The city of Nuremberg presented a first edition of On the Jews and their Lies to Julius Streicher, editor of the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer, on his birthday in 1937; the newspaper described it as the most radically anti-Semitic tract ever published.[214] It was publicly exhibited in a glass case at the Nuremberg rallies and quoted in a 54-page explanation of the Aryan Law by Dr. E.H. Schulz and Dr. R. Frercks.[215] On 17 December 1941, seven Protestant regional church confederations issued a statement agreeing with the policy of forcing Jews to wear the yellow badge, "since after his bitter experience Luther had already suggested preventive measures against the Jews and their expulsion from German territory." According to Daniel Goldhagen, Bishop Martin Sasse, a leading Protestant churchman, published a compendium of Luther's writings shortly after Kristallnacht, for which Diarmaid MacCulloch, Professor of the History of the Church in the University of Oxford argued that Luther's writing was a "blueprint."[216] Sasse applauded the burning of the synagogues and the coincidence of the day, writing in the introduction, "On 10 November 1938, on Luther's birthday, the synagogues are burning in Germany." The German people, he urged, ought to heed these words "of the greatest antisemite of his time, the warner of his people against the Jews."[217] According to Professor Dick Geary, the Nazis won a larger share of the vote in Protestant than in Catholic areas of Germany in elections of 1928 to November 1932.[218]
At the heart of scholars' debate about Luther's influence is whether it is anachronistic to view his work as a precursor of the racial antisemitism of the National Socialists. Some scholars see Luther's influence as limited, and the Nazis' use of his work as opportunistic. Biographer Martin Brecht points out that "There is a world of difference between his belief in salvation and a racial ideology. Nevertheless, his misguided agitation had the evil result that Luther fatefully became one of the 'church fathers' of anti-Semitism and thus provided material for the modern hatred of the Jews, cloaking it with the authority of the Reformer."[219] Johannes Wallmann argues that Luther's writings against the Jews were largely ignored in the 18th and 19th centuries, and that there was no continuity between Luther's thought and Nazi ideology.[220] Uwe Siemon-Netto agreed, arguing that it was because the Nazis were already anti-Semites that they revived Luther's work.[221][222] Hans J. Hillerbrand agreed that to focus on Luther was to adopt an essentially ahistorical perspective of Nazi antisemitism that ignored other contributory factors in German history.[223] Similarly, Roland Bainton, noted church historian and Luther biographer, wrote "One could wish that Luther had died before ever [On the Jews and Their Lies] was written. His position was entirely religious and in no respect racial."[224][225]
Other scholars argue that, even if his views were merely anti-Judaic, their violence lent a new element to the standard Christian suspicion of Judaism. Ronald Berger writes that Luther is credited with "Germanizing the Christian critique of Judaism and establishing anti-Semitism as a key element of German culture and national identity."[226] Paul Rose argues that he caused a "hysterical and demonizing mentality" about Jews to enter German thought and discourse, a mentality that might otherwise have been absent.[227]
Since the 1980s, Lutheran Church denominations have repudiated Martin Luther's statements against the Jews and have rejected the use of them to incite hatred against Lutherans.[228][229]
His poor physical health made him short-tempered and even harsher in his writings and comments. His wife Katharina was overheard saying, "Dear husband, you are too rude," and he responded, "They are teaching me to be rude."[232]
His last sermon was delivered at Eisleben, his place of birth, on 15 February 1546, three days before his death.[233] It was "entirely devoted to the obdurate Jews, whom it was a matter of great urgency to expel from all German territory," according to Léon Poliakov.[234] James Mackinnon writes that it concluded with a "fiery summons to drive the Jews bag and baggage from their midst, unless they desisted from their calumny and their usury and became Christians."[235] Luther said, "we want to practice Christian love toward them and pray that they convert," but also that they are "our public enemies ...
I must say that I don't have a problem with the Bible references. At first I was a little sceptical, but I always want to see what things turn into. Due to inaccurate interpretations of the Bible, a lot of people misunderstood the real meaning of the scriptures. I had to read it in school when I was young and I never understood a word. Many people abusing God and the Bible for their own vicious agenda, made me sceptical about the Bible and God as well. But being taught about the real purpose of life and the real meaning of the Bible and God is a good thing and even I can say now that I do believe in God, I do believe in love and I do have faith. I just think they should ban all the men in dresses and gold telling people what to do and that people should find their own truth in the Bible and as far as I understood from the books I have been reading, that was exactly what Jesus preached.
For people that think that this is a bad thing, I think they should think back and see what they have been taught the bad way their whole lives. We have been taught to desocialize, to loose ourselves in our work to become someone we mostly don't even want to be only with the purpose to make more money, have more power while we don't even realize our power decreases. People don't respect each other anymore and love is something we only see written on a Valentine's card without understanding what it really is. The past year-and-a-half I felt regret that I never followed MJ. Maybe if I would have been a fan I would have undertood his message earlier and I would have opened my eyes sooner. He really had to die to make me aware of the problems in the world and with that I mean the real problems, not just the one on the surface. He has taught me indirectly through TS (or directly, who knows?) that there is more in life than I initially thought and that we have to fight for our freedom before it's too late. He also taught me to have faith, no matter what. Whatever is ahead of us after the shit hits the fan, the alternative is worse and that makes one fearless.
I have issues trusting people in life, because I have been disappointed many times. Yet I trust Mike completely. I can't pinpoint exactly why, but I do, even though I have never met him. It must say more about him than about me. I feel the same way about TS. He shows courage under fire and guides those who want to be guided (because no one HAS to, it's our own choice to trust him or not) to awareness and awakening and prepares us for what is about to come and he does so with grace and with a heart, which I can see even through his pragmatic way of writing. Even though he has been slandered and falsely accused, he kept guiding those who do appriciate him. That shows he has a strong will and a strong charachter and I love that. Both Mike and TS have my full support in everything they do and I trust them completely. I will be there, whatever needs to be done.
Hmmm. I think that this is probably one of the most fascinating redirects in my opinion. I think it’s strange because I’m working on a MJDH video series and I had planned to talk about Both Martin Luther King and Martin Luther.
These are the things that stood out to me concerning the redirect:
The idea that this redirect would be on the eve of MLK Day has lead me to believe that it is possible that Michael may be wittingly referring to both Martin Luther King and Martin Luther in ‘TDCAU.’
In this context, Michael says something in this song that I find to be rather interesting …but Government don’t wanna see…’ He is telling us that the government is turning a blind eye to something. A blind eye to what? I thought that they were the enemy. If this is the case, who is really behind this proposed one world government and religion that is prophesied in the bible? Remember that the pope used the day of Michael’s memorial to announce a one world government.
Martin Luther believed that the papacy / Roman Catholic Church were the seat of the antichrist.
Luther fiercely accuses the pope of being the antichrist in one of his treatises titled ‘On the Babylonian Captivity of the Church.’
That basically sets the idea that the ‘Holy Mother Church’ is actually ‘Mystery Babylon, the Mother of Harlots’ spoken about by John in Revelation 17 and 18.
To me this is pretty easy to understand. The pope claims to be Jesus Christ on earth. If you don’t believe me, research about it. This is purely antichrist according to scripture. The Roman Catholic system has its hands stained with the blood of millions! This is a well documented fact. Many of these people were murdered because they refused to renounce their faith.
One of Luther’s statements at the Diet of Worms : "Here I stand. I can do no other. May God help me. Amen".
This reminds me of the song ‘This Is It’: This is it here I stand I’m the light of the world I feel grand.
I see a few parallels with Luther’s life and Michael’s.
Luther said that his father was very abusive to him and that he did everything he could to try to please him. Interestingly, after he had become a monk, he was quoted saying that it was ironic that he had placed himself in God’s service just to discover that God was even more demanding and most impossible to please.
Michael always claimed that Joseph was abusive with him.
Fredric III, Elector of Saxony, had Luther escorted to the security of his Wartburg Castle and kept him under his protection. During this time, it was as if Luther had ‘disappeared’.
Michael has friends in high places that have helped him pull this off.
Luther revolutionized the way people view salvation, God and faith in general.
Michael revolutionized the entire music industry.
Luther was persecuted by the Roman Catholic System because of his faith but God protected him.
I must say that I agree with some of you. I do believe that this is a major part of the message. A relationship with God is very important to Michael. Those who disregard these redirects simply because they are ‘too religious’ must understand this. This is not about religion but about our relationship with the Lord. Relationship and religion are two VERY different things. Religion is just a set of man-made rituals.
I agree with Martin Luther in that salvation is attainable by faith and God's grace.
Souza: I agree with you on that one. I trust Michael too and I don’t know why but I do. This is so strange I must admit. I was not a fan before June 25th 2009. I too feel regret that I did not follow Michael before but God knows what he does.
We love you TS! Thank you for the redirect! I support both you and Michael all the way!
Here is a great documentary on Martin Luther that I found. It was actually the first one I found. Lol If sharing is disabled on these videos, click on the below. (It’s a link to the first part):
Episode 1 Driven to Defiance
Part 1 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 2 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 3 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 4 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 5 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 6 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Episode 2
Part 1 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 2 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 3 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 4 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 5 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 6 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Great video series WhiteNight. Sometimes we forget although he did great things in preaching salvation by faith, Luther was only human & a product of the time. Anyone who has read Hebrews knows God has not given up on his people. Someday they will see and be reconciled.
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please, let us be careful with that quote, it's reliability is very questionable:
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Just yesterday I had a debate about Lutheranism <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> and how teaching the concept of Christ for the simple people and the younger ones, stimulating all people, to believe and become Christians was used as a reform movement that is very prominet in Northen Europe
Once again I feel "being indoctrinated" indirectly with all of this TS redirections to the bible.
Preaching door to door but in a modern times way <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
A lot of good comments already on this re-direct, just to add what you probably already all know:
Martin Luther King jr was born Michael King jr and renamed Martin Luther King jr some 5 years later.
Interesting!
Michael King and King Michael!
With L.O.V.E
I do not know if Menachem Begin said those words or not, I think actually a speech by Adolf Hitler <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Personally I think Bible is wrongly being put into this redirect when the message is instead about racism and oppression, and being created equal by God, not about our doctrinal beliefs.
Hi Bec, no don't worry, I wasn't referring to MLK Jr. I was referring to the guy TS redirected us to today <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I must say that I don't have a problem with the Bible references. At first I was a little sceptical, but I always want to see what things turn into. Due to inaccurate interpretations of the Bible, a lot of people misunderstood the real meaning of the scriptures. I had to read it in school when I was young and I never understood a word. Many people abusing God and the Bible for their own vicious agenda, made me sceptical about the Bible and God as well. But being taught about the real purpose of life and the real meaning of the Bible and God is a good thing and even I can say now that I do believe in God, I do believe in love and I do have faith. I just think they should ban all the men in dresses and gold telling people what to do and that people should find their own truth in the Bible and as far as I understood from the books I have been reading, that was exactly what Jesus preached.
For people that think that this is a bad thing, I think they should think back and see what they have been taught the bad way their whole lives. We have been taught to desocialize, to loose ourselves in our work to become someone we mostly don't even want to be only with the purpose to make more money, have more power while we don't even realize our power decreases. People don't respect each other anymore and love is something we only see written on a Valentine's card without understanding what it really is. The past year-and-a-half I felt regret that I never followed MJ. Maybe if I would have been a fan I would have undertood his message earlier and I would have opened my eyes sooner. He really had to die to make me aware of the problems in the world and with that I mean the real problems, not just the one on the surface. He has taught me indirectly through TS (or directly, who knows?) that there is more in life than I initially thought and that we have to fight for our freedom before it's too late. He also taught me to have faith, no matter what. Whatever is ahead of us after the shit hits the fan, the alternative is worse and that makes one fearless.
I have issues trusting people in life, because I have been disappointed many times. Yet I trust Mike completely. I can't pinpoint exactly why, but I do, even though I have never met him. It must say more about him than about me. I feel the same way about TS. He shows courage under fire and guides those who want to be guided (because no one HAS to, it's our own choice to trust him or not) to awareness and awakening and prepares us for what is about to come and he does so with grace and with a heart, which I can see even through his pragmatic way of writing. Even though he has been slandered and falsely accused, he kept guiding those who do appriciate him. That shows he has a strong will and a strong charachter and I love that. Both Mike and TS have my full support in everything they do and I trust them completely. I will be there, whatever needs to be done.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."It is about a personal relationship with God. This does not happen in a church building. This does not happen by sitting in a pew and listening to a priest on Sunday. It does not happen by being a good person. It doesn’t happen by choosing to take a Sabbath rest. It’s a RELATIONSHIP!
This is wonderful!! I have been saying this since the beginning of the journey with Michael. Seth Riggs was very close to Michael for over 30, and Seth has stated many times that Michael is a Christian. TS redirect I feel is outlining the message of Grace, that we have Salvation as Michael said we needed, not by our works and deeds, but about our faith in the sacrifice Jesus made on the Cross for our salvation. The bible says if we call upon the name of the Lord and believe and have faith, that is what bring salvation.
Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
I am so thrilled and amazed at what TS is showing us here. It is a beautiful thing! Michael is truly being used of God to bring us into a place that we need to be for what Christ is about to do in the world. Praise God he is so in LOVE with us!!
"A lot of good comments already on this re-direct, just to add what you probably already all know:
Martin Luther King jr was born Michael King jr and renamed Martin Luther King jr some 5 years later.
Interesting!
Michael King and King Michael!
With L.O.V.E"
Thanks Running Girl ... I never knew this fact, so thanks for sharing. There's so much synchronicity involved in this hoax ... the Rabbit Hole goes a long way down <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I thought I posted something on this thread already, but maybe I hit the wrong button. But I think you hit on the heart of the matter. Being raised Catholic I learned to fear God and his retribution. Imagine a 10 year old lying in bed contemplating an infinity of burning in hell for some infraction. Hard to get over those kinds of scars.
In Catholic school we learned that Martin Luther was a heretic. There were many, but he was the King! And what was his heresy? He believed that we could be saved, as Navibi points out, by grace alone, by our faith. So, according to the Church, this man was condemned to hell because he believed in God's infinite mercy.
If Martin Luther were living, he wouldn't let THIS be. What exactly is the 'this' we are talking about? Here's another random thought. MJ appeared as the deeply scarred Dave Dave and blamed his father for the scars. What father was he talking about? Was he talking about Joe Jackson 0R was he talking about the scars left by a society that patterns itself upon an angry, legalistic, vengeful God?
Well I must say that was an interesting read. I don't know much of history. For me this is an education I could never of thought I was gonna get with this adventure.
I have no opinion on the Jew issue. I do understand racism, discrimination, and oppression. I will never know of the plight of being a black person but I can imagine it.
I would like to share a poem my daughter wrote for English class. She had to pick a character from The Crucible. <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crucible<!-- m -->
She chose to write a poem about Reverend John Hale and it is in the form of first person. She is 17 and teaches me everyday. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
When you tell my story
You may look at me as a
Blessing to the world to help you
Care for you and even make mistakes
And accuse you of the wrong things
May I say sorry?
When you tell my story
You may look me in the eyes
And see someone who is confused
On what I'm supposed to be doing
Or why I'm even here
When you tell my story
You will feel my conflict
And see the rage of ignorance
I will follow what they accuse
But I know the truth I hope they will
Too one day
And when you tell my story
Remember I did give you permission
To look me in the eyes and let you
See the person who came into this community
As a wonderful loving person who wants to help you
With all the lies and the drama and guide you back
To the right place where you need to be
Which are in God's arms.
Peace
17 years.... Beautiful poem, congratulations of my part <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Outstanding points! I feel very similarly. Growing up in Austria (right next to Germany)- I learned my share about Martin Luther in school- but re-reading some of the info from today’s redirect and putting things in the larger context with Michael and with what is going on around us today really brought home several points.
As LilWendy said so amazingly in her blog (which was so great- thank you for that) it is about a personal relationship with God. Michael’s relationship with his God, and all of our’s. If we do not have one as we chose not to- that is a valid choice. For the purpose of the hoax and investigating it, we just need to keep him mind Michael’s strong beliefs and his strong sense of responsibility about the extreme power he had over his legions of fans (now his soldiers of L.O.V.E). I think he was well aware of the potential of misuse of this power- as well as the potential of being accused of misuse of power (just look at the child molestation allegations- what greater misuse of power could there be?).
Michael has an amazing platform now- he is not telling us to follow any one idea or dogma- he is just directing us toward God and HIS word. About the foundation of faith- which is believing. About our basic responsibility to take care of ourselves and each other- through love, charity, understanding, and brotherhood- not because otherwise some priest will yell at us, or we fear not to get into heaven. But instead because we believe from deep inside it is the right thing to do.
Personally, I have become very cynical about organized religions. Reading today’s redirect, your posts, and LilWendy’s blog, I really thought a lot about how in a way, I realize this cynicism had in a way turned me away from religion altogether. BUT: as history shows us, just because we mistrust and realize the abuse by some religious organizations does not mean we have to automatically turn away from whatever God or belief system we have faith in. On the contrary- we all have individual responsibility to speak up and correct evil and corruption in our own way.
I am so appreciative of today’s redirect (and of course there are some great clues in there again as well)- as the message really hit home. Thank you, TS.
If I think I had been a Jew, living at that time, I would have feared for my life. Spreading antisemitic paroles in such a way is the opposite of love, rather rudeness and hate against a minority. So I wonder if he helped pave the way for hate against a religious group by his influence in future generations. Religious tolerance looks different in my opinion. Why did he hate them so much that he suggests destroying their churches, their homes, I do not understand? If I understand it right, he directed his fury against the ordinary people, not against an elite-group. But even then, his ideas seem rather drastic, and hadn't they been carried out centuries later by others in an inhumane way?
What does the redirect want to express then? He was a zealous religious reformer, ok. Does the redirect warn us how blind racism and intolerance can lead to hate? ML's views concerning anti-Judaism and anti-semitism are in contrast to MLK's views (yesterday's redirect), who used to be against racism and preach peace. I do understand MLK's message. Sorry, but I couldn't accept ML as a religious "leader" if he preached religious intolerance. I understand Michael Jackson's message as one of love and understanding, not hate in any form against innocent people. Martin Luther's strong antisemitism as described here is new to me, history books or religious books seem not to tell much about this "dark side" of a famous influential man, at least I don't recall having read it. So this redirect taught me more about it. The purpose might have been a different one, though. But a redirect alone, without any further comment, leaves space for a variety of interpretations.
Is it possible that Luther was in his later writings, talking about powerful Jewish families, much like Souza suggested Michael was talking about? Otherwise I have no explanation for this incredible turnabout in attitude.
Passages taken from the Wikipedia article we were redirected to:
His poor physical health made him short-tempered and even harsher in his writings and comments. His wife Katharina was overheard saying, "Dear husband, you are too rude," and he responded, "They are teaching me to be rude."[232]
This is a beautiful post.
These are the things that stood out to me concerning the redirect:
The idea that this redirect would be on the eve of MLK Day has lead me to believe that it is possible that Michael may be wittingly referring to both Martin Luther King and Martin Luther in ‘TDCAU.’
In this context, Michael says something in this song that I find to be rather interesting …but Government don’t wanna see…’ He is telling us that the government is turning a blind eye to something. A blind eye to what? I thought that they were the enemy. If this is the case, who is really behind this proposed one world government and religion that is prophesied in the bible? Remember that the pope used the day of Michael’s memorial to announce a one world government.
Martin Luther believed that the papacy / Roman Catholic Church were the seat of the antichrist.
Luther fiercely accuses the pope of being the antichrist in one of his treatises titled ‘On the Babylonian Captivity of the Church.’
That basically sets the idea that the ‘Holy Mother Church’ is actually ‘Mystery Babylon, the Mother of Harlots’ spoken about by John in Revelation 17 and 18.
To me this is pretty easy to understand. The pope claims to be Jesus Christ on earth. If you don’t believe me, research about it. This is purely antichrist according to scripture. The Roman Catholic system has its hands stained with the blood of millions! This is a well documented fact. Many of these people were murdered because they refused to renounce their faith.
One of Luther’s statements at the Diet of Worms : "Here I stand. I can do no other. May God help me. Amen".
This reminds me of the song ‘This Is It’: This is it here I stand I’m the light of the world I feel grand.
I see a few parallels with Luther’s life and Michael’s.
Luther said that his father was very abusive to him and that he did everything he could to try to please him. Interestingly, after he had become a monk, he was quoted saying that it was ironic that he had placed himself in God’s service just to discover that God was even more demanding and most impossible to please.
Michael always claimed that Joseph was abusive with him.
Fredric III, Elector of Saxony, had Luther escorted to the security of his Wartburg Castle and kept him under his protection. During this time, it was as if Luther had ‘disappeared’.
Michael has friends in high places that have helped him pull this off.
Luther revolutionized the way people view salvation, God and faith in general.
Michael revolutionized the entire music industry.
Luther was persecuted by the Roman Catholic System because of his faith but God protected him.
I must say that I agree with some of you. I do believe that this is a major part of the message. A relationship with God is very important to Michael. Those who disregard these redirects simply because they are ‘too religious’ must understand this. This is not about religion but about our relationship with the Lord. Relationship and religion are two VERY different things. Religion is just a set of man-made rituals.
I agree with Martin Luther in that salvation is attainable by faith and God's grace.
Souza: I agree with you on that one. I trust Michael too and I don’t know why but I do. This is so strange I must admit. I was not a fan before June 25th 2009. I too feel regret that I did not follow Michael before but God knows what he does.
We love you TS! Thank you for the redirect! I support both you and Michael all the way!
Here is a great documentary on Martin Luther that I found. It was actually the first one I found. Lol If sharing is disabled on these videos, click on the below. (It’s a link to the first part):
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Episode 1 Driven to Defiance
Part 1 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 2 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 3 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 4 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 5 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 6 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Episode 2
Part 1 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 2 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 3 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 4 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 5 [youtube:1ajljspj]
Part 6 [youtube:1ajljspj]
I agree...Nicely put.
New Living Translation (©2007)
For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus
Great video series WhiteNight. Sometimes we forget although he did great things in preaching salvation by faith, Luther was only human & a product of the time. Anyone who has read Hebrews knows God has not given up on his people. Someday they will see and be reconciled.
It's all for L.O.V.E.