I don't have time to read the entire thread, but I wanted to make a comment regarding the so called "death" photo.<br /><br />Everything presented in opening statements is not considered evidence, therefore the photo used can be manipulated and enhanced or even slightly changed. Any photo presented as evidence during the trial must be authenticated. This means the D.A has to present the history of that photo, who took it , when and where. The photo used in a powerpoint presentation is not evidence, therefore the photo of MJ we saw on day one of the trial could have been changed to look more like the MJ the jury is familar with.<br /><br />
There was footage of Alverez at UCLA, then there was this room (he was told to guard to not let anyone in) it looks like the room that the MJ death photo was taken in....the gurney was still in that room but no MJ, so this was after MJ was in there (according to Alverez)...the footage also had a time posted on the video (3:56pm) so if MJ was really at UCLA he was gone by this time.
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/mjdeathbedzoom.jpg"><br /><br />I clearly circled the 2 inconsistencies that i found...<br /><br /><br />1. His "wrist" appears to be smaller then his arm width, looks really fake to me, like it's a doll that was "put together" like a mannequin <br /><br />2. The shifting of colors around his head, looks like that part of the photograph was photoshopped onto the rest...the bed rail looks discolored and his chin apparently has darkened. <br /><br />I now know why they have only been releasing black and white photos until TMZ cleaned up this one, because clearly something is wrong in this photo.<br /><br /><br />You can save this photo on the net, open it up in another program and take it to 200x zoom and you will see what I'm seeing
That picture looks like a still from a movie. I am going to check my collection because I have the feeling I might have seen something like that before. I agree that it's the WORST photoshop ever.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
First, I wasn't understanding how nonbelievers still think this isn't a hoax after seeing that picture, but what i REALLY dont understand is how believers are giving up over it. Whhaaaattt? suspicious// <br /><br /><br /><br />
If an ambulance photo can be faked...so can this one. suspicious// <br /> <br />I understand the prosecutions need for an emotional "punch" to the gut right from the start...but to be honest, this picture could be one of Michael in a recovery room before he woke up and taken at anytime in his life. The catheter bag is still in place and the breathing tube....this looks more like a "post surgery" picture. It is not considered "legal" evidence, nor marked as such and who took the photo is not mentioned. So this clearly looks staged.<br /> <br />Coroner photos would have been more accurate and effective (if the prosecution were shooting for "realism")....still "reasonable doubt" comes to mind....a theme I'm sure will be played over and over in this trial.
<br /><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/mjdeathbedzoom.jpg"><br /><br />I clearly circled the 2 inconsistencies that i found...<br /><br /><br />1. His "wrist" appears to be smaller then his arm width, looks really fake to me, like it's a doll that was "put together" like a mannequin <br /><br />2. The shifting of colors around his head, looks like that part of the photograph was photoshopped onto the rest...the bed rail looks discolored and his chin apparently has darkened. <br /><br />I now know why they have only been releasing black and white photos until TMZ cleaned up this one, because clearly something is wrong in this photo.<br /><br /><br />You can save this photo on the net, open it up in another program and take it to 200x zoom and you will see what I'm seeing<br />
<br /><br /><br />First of all, a warm welcome to you. <br /><br /><br />And yes, I saw it too. The lower face doesn't match the upper. The line of the tape separate the two with what appears to be a clear cut n paste line.<br /><br /><br />I'm not so sure it's shopped as much as staged. If you're going to go through all the trouble to stage the ambulance pic, then why stop there.<br /><br /><br />The "shop" lines might have been added to cast doubt or induce it. My gut says MJ hopped up there for the shot. A dash of Hollywood magic and a sprinkle of psudo-shopping and viola! perfectly raw, gitty, gasp-worthy death shot that would leave everyone (believers, hoaxers, general public, and media) guessing...<br /><br /><br />The point isn't to hand us proof. The point is to entertain us, allofus, just some of us get our own special brand. Non-believers get to share in the gen pub/media brand of hoax (he's dead! and it's juicy...) while hoaxers get the perpetual proof-tease. The family slips up (doh! bounce/ )/the family says he's murdered (aww errrr ), etc. repeat for each set of characters ad infinitum or until BAM, whichever comes first.
<br /><br /><br />Isn't MJ kinda fat here. Look at his belly area. When you're laying down your abdomen is even more sinking into your gut. No hint of emaciated Michael except for his ghost legs and scrawny wrist.<br />
<br /><br />Do the people who think this photo is real forget how long Michael's legs are? The "death" photo cuts him off at the knees.<br /><br /><br />
<br /> <br />Thx for posting these pictures. <br />Since a kid, I have been mesmerized by Michael's dancing and I would dream of having his Loooong legs.<br />When i saw the gurney picture, I shook my head and laughed. <br />As the trial goes on, non-believers will become more confused.<br />
<br /><br /><br />yummy. thanks for posting.... all this hoax talk, and heavy reading and investigating... sometimes its nice to take a break and look at the basic simple beautiful things that get lost amongst the investigation. gorgeous legs. i'd love to be climbing them! xx
Here's something to chew on! The video posted below clearly used a mannequin for some of the costume fittings, if not all. This same sickly image could very well be the same image seen in the now infamous "death" photo. In which case it should be entered into evidence as exhibit 1 "The King of Prop" death photo! Check out the hands and the way the fingers are bent. /><br />
@bec, sorry forgot abt the minors. its just that the man has one sexy stride!<br /><br />will ensure my posts are 'G' rated in future... sorry for offending <br /><br />cheers x
Hi everyone bearhug Its been a long time, but this new site scares the beegeebees OMG! out of me. I get lost and confused on where to go :oops: .<br />Anyway, just wanted to add a couple thing that are bugging me if I may. I still believe that Michael is alive. However, that "deathbed pic" knocked me out of my socks when I saw it and I litterally fell to the floor. I agree with most of what is being said about the pic, but there are a few things I dont. Just for the record, any tubing,tape,IV, or any resussitation devices that are connected to a dead body can only be removed by the coroner. Therefore, any outside tubing is disconnected and anything in the body has to stay. Thats why the tube in the mouth would be there. Also his hair...In TII he had curls, but his hair was long and so were the curls. So in a grainy photo, if his hair is pulled back under his neck, you are not going to see the curls. I believe his wigs were straight, but HIS hair was the beautiful curls, which is how he probably slept.<br />And last is the hospital gown. I agree that what we heard was he was unclothed when he was brought in, but I would like to think that the hospital would have the decentcy to put a gown on him before his children and family seen him. So that is why I believe he had a gown on. <br />Ive always been 50/50, however the testimonies today have tipped me more on the 80/20. But with this mess, we can never let our guard down or we'll get hit with something. I hope I didnt offend anyone, just wanted to shed some light in case theres that 1% chance we're wrong.<br /> /judge/
I think the image looks like this on purpose.<br />As in, we're meant to be having doubts and questioning its legitimacey...<br />But, why? What is the reason for it?<br /><br />(Also, if the photo is found to be fake will there be trouble.<br />And couldn't Michael just have posed for the photo appearing to be dead. <br />Why does there have to be questionable editing? Hm.)<br /><br />Probably not explaining myself too well, here. :?
There is NO WAY in hell the D.A. would put up this picture PLUS play that horrible audio of MJ and NOT tell his family in advance. His mother is in her 80’s, she could have gone into cardiac arrest from the shock of it all. Unless they didn't worry due to having a cardiologist in the room? <br />
<br />This looks like a viewing room. Chairs set up, possible social worker in stilettos, etc. They could have put the sheet over his head, which is why the bed appears empty, but I see what looks like dark hair in the upper left corner. Remember, this was all probably taped on some other day, as he had a early flight to catch! And keep in mind, UCLA does rent out to movie companies, as do the fire department, etc. Maybe this is actually a sound stage?
Does anyone know how many feet the gurneys are? (size in length). I would like to compare the length of it from end to end with the obviously fake photo of MJ laying there...to see how wrong the length of dimensions of his different body areas would come out to be compared to the length of the gurney - (length of torso, thighs, legs from knee downward..)
<br /><br /><br />Maybe this comparison will help. Also is it possible that "MJ's" feet and the end of the gurney are beyond the edge of the picture?<br />All these security and police etc. would have to be in on it because they would know if this was a dummy. suspicious//
Two reasons I KNOW this photo is fake. 1)...."They" say Michael was dead when he left his house, though in the ambulance we saw a photo that he was flat on the gurney and they were performing CPR. So why???....would they tilt the gurney up for the comfort of a dead person after an unsuccessful CRR? 2). "They" said two years ago while attempting to do CPR, Michael's nose got crushed in. It does not look crushed in to me.
Everything about this picture is whacked....and the media whores are loving it.<br /> <br />It just fits in so deliciously well with their bloodlust mentality and no-one in the media has questioned it's authenticity....same with the recording of MJ. They all take it as factual. <br /> <br />Michael is giving them what they want and they are eating it up like the vultures they are.<br /> <br />Maybe MJ did pose for it (which would have been hilarious to watch) and then maybe they have cut and pasted bits here and there, shrunk his legs with Photoshop ...IDK...but whatever they have done to get this picture it's so obviously staged.<br /> <br />I think it's hilarious lolol/
@ Adi:<br /> <br />I absolutely adore your post! You're right! Michael is giving them (DDimond, Nancy Grace, Tom Sneddon etc) exactly what they always wanted!
Okay, I have two other questions about the picture...<br /><br />1) Do they normally put a hospital gown on a patient who arrives at the hospital dead? According to everything we have heard/read so far, Michael had pj's on and his top was open. So, did they put the hospital gown on to make the picture look more official?<br /><br />2) What happened to Michael's cleft on his chin? It looked pretty prominent in the pictures of him rehersing. I know the picture is grainy but still, I think we would see that cleft if it was there.<br /><br />Inquirying minds want to know! WTF?? smiley_spider
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."