Everything is an Illusion

iamamjbelieveriamamjbeliever Posts: 280
edited January 1970 in General Hoax Investigation
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  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    And a magician never reveals how he performs his illusions, so I don't believe we will ever TOTALLY know what happened. "Everything will be revealed." (Not...) But MJ will keep on performing his magic for us into the forseeable future. Even BAM won't be the end IMO.<br /> /bravo/  Michael!
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    <br /><br />[size=10pt]Thank you Iamamjbeliever !!!!! I KNEW IT!!!!!!<br />NOTHING IS REAL,BUT ALL IS POSSIBLE,We all have been played by the MASTER HIMSELF ANONYMUS,aka MISTER MICHAEL JACKSON  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:!!!!!<br />Anonymous, uploaded by Sony, how ironic :roll: ,isn't it??????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: OMG!Activist hackers “Anonymous” Crash Sony Playstation Online ... OMG! OMG! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/size]<br /><br /><br />The Illusionist trailer<br />
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  • curlscurls Posts: 3,111
    The Illusionist tagline: 'Nothing is what it seems'.<br /><br />http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443543/<br /><br />
  • hagitghagitg Posts: 89
    OMFG!!!<br /><br /> ???/<br /><br />when did she say that?!?
  • From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br /><br />The Illusionist<br />Nothing is what it seems.<br />Directed by<br />Neil Burger<br />Produced by<br />Brian Koppelman<br /> David Levien<br /> Michael London <br />Cathy Schulman<br /> Bob Yari<br />Written by<br />Steven Millhauser<br /> (Short story)<br /> Neil Burger<br /> (Screenplay)<br />The Illusionist is a 2006 period drama written and directed by Neil Burger and starring Edward Norton, Jessica Biel, and Paul Giamatti. Based loosely on Steven Millhauser's story "Eisenheim the Illusionist", The Illusionist tells the story of Eisenheim, a magician in turn-of-the-20th-century Vienna.<br /> <br /><br />The film, which contains both fictional and historical characters, begins in medias res as Chief Inspector Walter Uhl (Paul Giamatti) moves to arrest Herr Eisenheim (Edward Norton) during what appears to be necromancy passed off as a magic show. He then begins to recount the story of Eisenheim for Crown Prince Leopold.<br /> <br />Eisenheim was born the son of a cabinetmaker in Vienna, Austria-Hungary and is seen training for this same trade. One day when he was a teenager, Eisenheim (played as a young man by Aaron Johnson) meets a traveling magician along a road. The magician performs several tricks for him and then, according to various accounts, both the magician and the tree he was sitting under vanish. Eisenheim becomes obsessed with magic tricks after this.<br /> <br />He also falls in love with Sophie, the Duchess von Teschen (Jessica Biel, played as a teenager by Eleanor Tomlinson), a noblewoman well above his social class; her parents have hired Eisenheim's father as a cabinetmaker. Young Eisenheim makes young Sophie a unique marquetry puzzle locket, which if twisted correctly reveals a hidden photograph of Eisenheim. Although the two are forbidden to see each other, they meet in a secret hideout chamber in the woods, where Eisenheim tells of his plans to go to China to learn more magic and Sophie promises to go with him. On the day that they are going to leave, the police come looking for Sophie. The two hide in the secret room and Sophie begs Eisenheim to make them both disappear. He is unable to fulfill this request and the two are separated.<br /> <br />Eisenheim travels the world, perfecting his craft and returns to Vienna years later as a master illusionist. He meets Sophie at one of his performances, when she is volunteered by Crown Prince Leopold (Rufus Sewell) as a reluctant participant in an illusion, where her reflection in a mirror is "murdered". He soon learns that Sophie is expected to marry the Crown Prince, who purportedly has a history of abuse towards women. Eisenheim and Sophie, having recognized each other, meet privately, revealing Sophie still has the locket he made for her years ago. After humiliating the Crown Prince during a private show, Eisenheim finds his hit performance shut out of Vienna. When Sophie comes to offer him help, the two consummate their relationship and realize that they are still in love. They plan to flee the Empire together; but first something must be done to stop Leopold, who Sophie reveals is planning a coup d'etat to usurp the Crown of Austria from his aging father, the Emperor Franz Joseph I, while using his engagement to her to win the Hungarian half of the Empire as well. She also knows that the Crown Prince will view her as disposable if she leaves him for another man, and that he will have both her and Eisenheim followed and killed.<br /> <br />Leopold finds out from Uhl, who was following the couple, that Sophie has met with Eisenheim. While drunk, Leopold confronts Sophie and accuses her of being unfaithful. She tells him that she will not marry him or have anything to do with his plan. When she attempts to leave, it appears that he murders her in the stables, with a sword cut across her neck. Unfortunately, Leopold's royal status makes any accusations against him unthinkable, despite an existing belief among the people that Leopold has murdered a woman in the past. As Eisenheim plunges into despair and the citizens of Vienna begin to suspect Leopold of Sophie's murder, Uhl observes Eisenheim's actions more closely on behalf of Leopold.<br /> <br />Wracked with grief, Eisenheim prepares a new kind of magic show, using mysterious equipment and Chinese stagehands. Eisenheim purchases a run-down theater and opens a new performance. During his show, Eisenheim apparently summons spirits, leading many to believe that he possesses supernatural powers.<br /> <br />Leopold decides to attend one of Eisenheim's shows in disguise. During this show, Eisenheim summons the spirit of Sophie, who says someone in the theater murdered her, panicking Leopold. Uhl pleads with Eisenheim to stop such performances, but Eisenheim refuses. Finally, Leopold orders Eisenheim's arrest. We then return to the opening scene of the movie, but now we see that when Uhl tries to arrest him during the performance, Eisenheim's body fades and disappears like his summoned spirits.<br /> <br />Inspector Uhl searches for Eisenheim at his house. There he finds a folio labeled "Orange Tree," the name of one of Eisenheim's illusions which had intrigued Uhl. Thinking he will find the solution to one of the magician's most famous tricks, he opens it to find empty pages except for a scrap of parchment showing how to open the locket Eisenheim had given Sophie when they were young.<br /> <br />Uhl reveals to Leopold that he has found evidence which links the Crown Prince to Sophie's murder: a jewel from the prince's sword and Sophie's locket that Eisenheim gave her when they were children. After ordering, then begging Uhl to keep silent, Leopold discovers that Uhl has already informed the Emperor and the General Staff of Leopold's conspiracy to usurp the Austro-Hungarian throne. As the Army arrives at his Palace to arrest him, Leopold shoots himself in despair after angrily justifying his plans to overthrow his father.<br /> <br />In the next scene, Uhl is shown leaving the Imperial Palace. After he takes a few steps, a boy runs up to hand him a folio labeled "Orange Tree". This time, the "Orange Tree" folio is filled with plans detailing a geared mechanism to make the tree "grow". Uhl demands to know where the child obtained the folio; the child reveals that Eisenheim had given it to him. Uhl then reaches down into his pocket, to discover the Duchess' locket is missing. He realises with a jolt that he has been pick-pocketed by a disguised Eisenheim, and gives chase following him to the train station. After the chase, a montage shows Uhl putting the pieces together and discovering how Eisenheim faked Sophie's death and framed Leopold for the murder. The shot of Uhl closes with him taking has hat off (as if it were in salute), and looking upwards, (as if about to break out in laughter) in realisation of the masterful illusion that has been so successfully planned & implemented. Eisenheim is then seen walking up to a house in the country where Sophie is waiting for him.<br /> <br />
  • curlscurls Posts: 3,111
    With the trial cut short today I was hoping I could watch The Illusionist instead, but I can't find it anywhere without having to do surveys or log in to places I don't want to!  Just reading the synopsis though, I want to hug LaToya - she's virtually coming out and saying it now!  I'm so excited!  :lol: bounce/ <br /><br />@hagitg, she said it on her way into court today!
  • hagitghagitg Posts: 89
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    <br />With the trial cut short today I was hoping I could watch The Illusionist instead, but I can't find it anywhere without having to do surveys or log in to places I don't want to!  Just reading the synopsis though, I want to hug LaToya - she's virtually coming out and saying it now!  I'm so excited!  :lol: bounce/ <br /><br />@hagitg, she said it on her way into court today!<br />
    <br /><br />so awasome!!!<br />you can watch it here: http://tubeplus.me/player/548497/The_Illusionist/
  • I am just saying: what if the family (especially La Toya and Jermaine) give us clues just to preserve the mistery for more time and so make more money taking advantage of the believers? I am a believer myself but I intent to have my eyes opened as wide as possible.
  • fordtocarrfordtocarr Posts: 1,547
    on 1319659320:
    <br />I am just saying: what if the family (especially La Toya and Jermaine) give us clues just to preserve the mistery for more time and so make more money taking advantage of the believers? I am a believer myself but I intent to have my eyes opened as wide as possible.<br />
    <br />I thought that too in the beginning of the hoax, but why would there still be clues if not a hoax?<br />Why would LaToya point to that movie if not a hoax?  Sure it would keep people hanging on..but is she making money from that movie by pointing us to it?  Are we going to BUY it??  I'm not.  <br />Did anyone in the family make the dates of the Pepsi accident and the death be the exact same amount of days apart?  THAT is a clue none of them could "plant" to make money off.  Sure, they make money off the death hoax, by books, and interviews and such...but SOME things Michael have done they could not do... and I think pointing to this movie is one of them.  She does not profit from that..and keeping us hanging on by that movie don't either.  Maybe it keeps us going, but..really there are other things as those dates that really PROVE it.<br />
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    <br />I am just saying: what if the family (especially La Toya and Jermaine) give us clues just to preserve the mistery for more time and so make more money taking advantage of the believers  :?? I am a believer myself but I intent to have my eyes opened as wide as possible.<br />
    <br /><br />[size=10pt]Good Evening!!!<br /> I don't want to offend you but what you just wrote makes no sense!!!![/size]
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    /woohoo/<br /><br />I LOVE Latoya!  /bravo/  Thank you girl.  mj_dance/
  • hagitghagitg Posts: 89
    on 1319659320:
    <br />I am just saying: what if the family (especially La Toya and Jermaine) give us clues just to preserve the mistery for more time and so make more money taking advantage of the believers? I am a believer myself but I intent to have my eyes opened as wide as possible.<br />
    <br /><br />what money? michael's estate is reliant on his albums sales, the "this is it" film, shows etc. <br />if anyone is paying for, it's the fans and most of them are non believers. <br />and regardless, michael would be making money for the next 100 years, dead or alive. cause he's the king of pop!
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    <br />OMFG!!!<br /><br /> ???/ <br /><br />when did she say that?!? <br />
    <br /><br />earlier, today
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    <br />With the trial cut short today I was hoping I could watch The Illusionist instead, but I can't find it anywhere without having to do surveys or log in to places I don't want to!  Just reading the synopsis though, I want to hug LaToya - she's virtually coming out and saying it now!  I'm so excited!  :lol: bounce/ <br /><br />@hagitg, she said it on her way into court today!<br />
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  • hagitghagitg Posts: 89
    I just can't stop thinking about it!  michael-jackson/<br /><br /> /bravo/<br /><br />I can't believe she said that! how amazing!<br />we're truly a part of the greatest show on earth!!!<br />this makes me SO happy!<br />do you think it means it's all gonna end soon? <br /><br />I take everything I said about latoya back - I LOVE her!!!  lolol/
  • hagitghagitg Posts: 89
    oh, and one more thing - how annoying is it that no one in the media paid attention to what latoya said?!<br />couldn't find it anywhere!<br />how stupid can the media be?!? <br /> /scream/
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    <br />oh, and one more thing - how annoying is it that no one in the media paid attention to what latoya said?!<br />couldn't find it anywhere!<br />how stupid can the media be?!? <br /> /scream/<br />
    <br /><br />[size=10pt]You are so sweet,lol  lolol/ :lol:!!<br />I'm sorry but you know and I know that THEY don't want to KNOW,lol  :lol:.It's all in the GAME/SCRIPT!![/size]
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
    on 1319672470:
    <br />I just can't stop thinking about it!  michael-jackson/<br /><br /> /bravo/<br /><br />I can't believe she said that! how amazing!<br />we're truly a part of the greatest show on earth!!!<br />this makes me SO happy!<br />do you think it means it's all gonna end soon? <br /><br />I take everything I said about latoya back - I LOVE her!!!  lolol/<br />
    <br /><br />I was shocked to hear her say it too. I'm just now logging onto the tube to see it it can be found. I stillllll can't believe she said it! lolol/ OMG!
  • Let's cheer for La Toya... Thank you so much La Toya for this wonderful information... This is really amamzing..  /bravo/
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
    GOT IT!!!!<br /><br />
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
    on 1319674854:
    <br />Let's cheer for La Toya... Thank you so much La Toya for this wonderful information... This is really amamzing..  /bravo/<br />
    <br /><br />Yes indeed!!! I posted a link to the vid. :)
  • hagitghagitg Posts: 89
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    <br />oh, and one more thing - how annoying is it that no one in the media paid attention to what latoya said?!<br />couldn't find it anywhere!<br />how stupid can the media be?!? <br /> /scream/<br />
    <br /><br />[size=10pt]You are so sweet,lol  lolol/ :lol:!!<br />I'm sorry but you know and I know that THEY don't want to KNOW,lol  :lol:.It's all in the GAME/SCRIPT!![/size]<br />
    <br /><br />yap! still can't believe it!<br />what a great day to be a believer!
  • hagitghagitg Posts: 89
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    <br />Let's cheer for La Toya... Thank you so much La Toya for this wonderful information... This is really amamzing..  /bravo/<br />
    <br /><br />Yes indeed!!! I posted a link to the vid. :)<br />
    <br /><br />it's the same vid dear :)<br />going to watch the illusionist now! /woohoo/
  • [size=10pt]MagicalExcapism made a very good hoax-video  8-) about THE ILUZIONIST movie,in 8 june 2010.<br />This is what MagicalExcapism just wrote o youtube:[/size]<br /><br />
    [size=12pt]I'm sorry but nobody would say this if their brother died.<br />Latoya, In reference to the trial "Everything is an Illusion. Watch the movie the illusionist" Watch this old video of mine to see what that movie is about.<br />In Yo Face!<br />With Love :)[/size]
    <br /><br /><br />Is Michael Jackson Alive? <br />The Illusionist<br />
    <br /><br /><br />[size=12pt]LOVE[/size]
  • Snoopy71Snoopy71 Posts: 952
    on 1319659320:
    <br />I am just saying: what if the family (especially La Toya and Jermaine) give us clues just to preserve the mistery for more time and so make more money taking advantage of the believers? I am a believer myself but I intent to have my eyes opened as wide as possible.<br />
    <br /><br />I can see how you would make that connection. I felt that way at first, that this hoax was all a marketing ploy to make money for the family members, the estate, Sony, Coca Cola, etc...anything that directly or indirectly referenced Michael Jackson. (And to a degree I still feel this way). I think certain people speak about Michael to keep their own names relevant in the press/media...marketing=$$money$$---> pure and simple.<br /><br />HOWEVER, the flip side of that is, there are certain aspects of this hoax that are toooo coincidental and extensively planned to simply be a marketing scheme.<br /><br />When you really sit and think about it, believers make up a very small percentage of Michaels fan base. Even if the hoax was a "marketing ploy" aimed at believers, the numbers simply wouldn't add up...we are the minority, not the majority.<br /><br />You have a valid position, I could see how you could question the motive of the hoax...but the evidence and the numbers just don't add up... it's definitely something bigger than a marketing scheme.<br /><br /> typing/
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