LMAO...speak of synchronicity. I JUST saw this .gif for the first time and immediately wondered when/how I could post it on the forum and have it be relevant. Opportunities just keep presenting themselves though <br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br />These 'invalid' arguments that keep popping up from time to time, speak volumes about the 'poster', especially when they have 3 posts to the current username. <br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.
OMGosh.....BeThe Change! You can't do that to me.........I laughed wayyyyyyy too much at that .gif......it's so freaking true! <br />Love & Hugs........from your rhythmically challenged, but full of spirit friend! <br /><br />Blessings!
<br /><br />Ever heard of GTFO? I am sick and tired of the same 'debunkers' coming back time and time again with a lot of mumble jumble, and none of them has any proof, only ridicule and attacks, ASSumptions and false allegations. I will boot every single 'new' user that pops up with the same nonsense. Go bore someone else please.<br />
<br /><br />[size=12pt]Souza...that part made me LOL for real. Thanks...it was much needed. <br /><br />To me it becomes more apparent over time that what these instigators REALLY must be is closeted, frightened and/or frustrated beLIEvers. Would any self-respecting and sane individual really spend so much time devoted to a subject that they claim to have no use for or despise? So which is it...hmm? No self-respect?...Not totally sane?...Closet beLIEver?...Or the most likely scenario...they crave attention that must not be afforded to them in their daily lives and are stumped to think of a more original way of getting it. How sad for them under any of those circumstances. <br /><br />Note to future pot-stirrers (because unfortunately they will come): Better bring your A game with some FACTS if you want to sling your brand of "knowledge" here. Halfa$$ed innuendo, empty accusations and your broadly generalized negative BS ain't gonna get you anything here but the door!!!<br /><br />Say Hello to Souza's Boot... 8-)<br />[/size]
<br />Would any self-respecting and sane individual really spend so much time devoted to a subject that they claim to have no use for or despise?<br />
<br /><br />Just for the record - I'm just guessing, but I am probably included in your ASSumptions - I never said I have no use for all this or despise it. I said several times that I find certain things entertaining and/or interesting for several reasons that I won't list right now.<br /><br />And if I ever come to a point in my life where I'm not interested in other people's opinions anymore, especially when they differ from mine, if I ever get that close minded, I'd probably shoot myself out of boredom.
Ok... plz read these articles....just do some research about islam.. it's THE TRUTH and THE solution!<br /><br /><br /> Biblical Prophecies on the Advent of<br />Muhammad , the Prophet of Islam.<br /><br />http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-3.htm<br /><br /><br />Some Basic Islamic Beliefs<br /><br />http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch3-2-1.htm<br /><br /><br /> bearhug<br />
LMAO I loved to read everything in this topic [except the "I am concerned about those who trust in insiders"-posts], and this "boot" just made me explode you even assorted it to the forum colors! hahahaaaa <br /><br /><br />This topic is really really really awesome!!!<br />Full of wisdom and enlightening messages, full of ideas that never came to me or that came to me , but I never managed to express them not even to myself! and reading some of you guys' messages , was just like when you have someone turn on the light for you only to see what you already knew was there, but couldn't fully see it because of darkness!! <br /> To think you're not even insiders! I wonder if I'm getting manipulated here or something lamo
<br />Would any self-respecting and sane individual really spend so much time devoted to a subject that they claim to have no use for or despise?<br />
<br /><br />Just for the record - I'm just guessing, but I am probably included in your ASSumptions - I never said I have no use for all this or despise it. I said several times that I find certain things entertaining and/or interesting for several reasons that I won't list right now.<br /><br />And if I ever come to a point in my life where I'm not interested in other people's opinions anymore, especially when they differ from mine, if I ever get that close minded, I'd probably shoot myself out of boredom.<br />
<br /><br />You said this not so long ago:<br /><br />
[size=12pt]It's not just about the time ... I'm not all that interested in TS.[/size]
<br />http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg382238#msg382238<br /><br />So I am wondering why the sudden interest in TS threads? If you are accusing us of being closed-minded, then yes we are closed minded to veiled condescending, snide attacks aimed at our faith and belief in Front and TS.<br /><br />This is not a matter of opinion here. 2012 is the year when Michael will be back. Therefore we have come to a point where there is no need or time for debates about the authenticity of our informers. Or you believe they are genuine and proven authentic or you don’t and let people who do move forward and not waste precious time on endless innuendos that lead to nowhere.<br /><br />TS/Front is/are authentic. PERIOD.<br />
It's not a matter of opinion? Not on this forum, because there is only one opinion allowed, so as far as this tiny part of the world or internet goes, you are right.<br /><br />Also, if I'm not all that interested in TS, that doesn't mean I'm not interested in discussions and certain posts in all kinds of threads here. Or that I'm not entertained by them. TS is not the only poster on this forum or in his threads.
Sorry to do this to you all, and it really pains me to say it, but this place has become a joke. The title is misleading, you should change it from 'Death Hoax Investigators' to 'Really Desperate People'. I thought the whole point of an investigation was to cover all and any sides to what is being 'investigated', but alas we instead have miss Souza being unable to bear the prospect of someone even mentioning an opposing opinion, and along comes the banhammer. Call it what you will, say you're only doing it to keep 'the thread clean', but it's still the same thing and the stink has been going off for some time now. I came here seeking truth, not some soppy, idolizing dramedy. Unfortunately though, it seems no one wants to think with their brains. Just thought I'd let you know how I see it after being an avid reader for a year or so. Goodbye.
Goodbye, Metamorphman. And for the record I, for one, am not a 'really desperate person'. I am confident in what I believe, in what I know. I have obviously come to a different conclusion in my (nearly) two years here, from you in your year of 'avid reading'. That's all, that's the bottom line. Why, having decided you don't agree with what investigations, and using our brains, have led to, didn't you just leave quietly? There was no need to be rude and insulting. You did that just for the drama and attention - and hey, well done, you got mine!<br /><br />
<br />Metamorphman, I guess you're happy you're getting all this attention! <br />I don't understand why you hang around here, if you don't like the results of our digging/thinking. Goodbye and good luck! <br />It's not even so much that you disagree with TS/Front being Michael, but it's your patronizing tone like you're so smart and we're so dumb. So no question you're just another common garden-variety 'shit-stirrer'.<br /><br /><br />Souza, you and Bec are just the best for keeping the forum pest-free! /bravo/ <br />(we can all be pests sometimes ::P to someone in our lives)<br /><br /><br /><br />This is beLIEver's turf, so naturally we will defend it against empty-handed naysayers. What gets me is their arguments against TS/Front are ones we have thoroughly hashed over so LONG ago, and mostly resolved. However if they want to be helpful, why not bring helpful discussion in a more forward approach, into new 'frontiers'. Be on the cutting edge, rather than a dragging foot slowing progress.<br /><br />Love the boot Love4Michael! Classy too! <br /><br /><br />Badria, thank you for posting those sites! I've put them on my 'to read' list. I've come across the comparison of Muhammad and Moses before. My knowledge of Islam is very limited though I have done a little study and read portions of the Koran. TS made reference to the Exodus story in the Koran, but other than that he has focused on the Bible which is why I've not needed to learn more, at least for now.<br />Edit: It was Front, not TS--same person IMO <br /><br />
The miraculous story of parting the Red Sea is told in the Book of Exodus 13:17-14:29. It's also mentioned in the Qur'an (Surah 26: Al-Shu'ara, verses 60-67).
<br /><br /><br />AustralianBeLIEverMJ, and Fordtocarr, congrats on the new jobs, and I hope you still manage some time for the forum!<br /><br /><br />For the ones engaging with me on the topic or freewill or not, I hope we're still friends at the end of the day. We have so much more in common than not. We are so complex as humans, and the number of separate beliefs we have about various things numbers in the hundreds, maybe thousands. Mathematically thats a lot of combinations possible! I may be very much the minority in my belief of no free will, but that's okay with me, since I've always been a bit weird. geek/ <br />I do love you all!<br /> bearhug
Pls allow me to use this new smiley for all of us to these so called "new" attackers.<br /><br /> *FU*<br /><br />That smiley was not big enough for you? Then EAT THIS!<br /><br />
<br />It's not a matter of opinion? Not on this forum, [size=14pt]because there is only one opinion allowed[/size][...][...]
[size=14pt]If only one opinion had been allowed, then you should have been banned from the very first message where you said you disagree with general opinion here.[/size]<br /><br />I find it strange: you see, I put myself in your shoes. So I tried to imagine how would it be if I went to the non-believers forums, who mourn MJ's death and shout "JUSTICE for MJ", "Death to C Murray" at every 2 words. How would it be if I went to "express my opinion" there? lol I can't even picture myself in that position! I wouldn't even waste my time to register on a forum like that. First of all because I respect their opinion as it is and I accept the fact that they really think different!<br /><br />I was never THAT "worried and concerned" for the MJ- mourners forums, not as much as to go there and insist as much as you do here. I would never go there and try so hard to show them how "worried I am for their well being" or to demonstrate to them how "manipulated they are!" or just to repeat a hundred times: "I have the right to an opinion!" and then complain: "Don't attack me because I have a different opinion!" it's rather ridiculous and useless, really! I never needed to go exercise "my right to an opinion" on Mj-mourners forums! <br /><br />Instead, you seem to have a desperate desperate need to do it here! And when I say YOU, I'm not referring just to you, sarah31, but to all those like you loll <br />You are free to express yourselves, yes, but always expect to be ridiculed when you insist like that and when you become suspiciously "interested" in making your point at any price!<br /><br />I believed in your sincerity , Sarah31 up to a point where you really seeded doubt in me with your insistence. I didn't attack you that first time I addressed to you and I didn't attack you this time either. I treated you with respect and tolerance, which you seem to lack with regards to people here. To say that you are "entertained" by reading conflicting discussions, is not really a nice attitude, sarah31. So please stop accusing people here of things that you, yourself DO! I just "expressed my point of view"! which is VERY different from yours. This is not an attack. it's just a different point of view. And I am not the only one who told you this.\<br />Do you think you can face the fact that we simply DISAGREE? Please try! Thank you.
<br />It's not a matter of opinion? Not on this forum, because there is only one opinion allowed, so as far as this tiny part of the world or internet goes, you are right.<br /><br />Also, if I'm not all that interested in TS, that doesn't mean I'm not interested in discussions and certain posts in all kinds of threads here. Or that I'm not entertained by them. TS is not the only poster on this forum or in his threads.<br />
<br /><br />And while I'm at it, opinions are 'allowed', but as in life away from the computer screen, common courtesy, politeness, respect and thoughfulness are the tools with which they will be welcomed and listened to.
I find it strange: you see, I put myself in your shoes. So I tried to imagine how would it be if I went to the non-believers forums, who mourn MJ's death and shout "JUSTICE for MJ", "Death to C Murray" at every 2 words. How would it be if I went to "express my opinion" there? lol I can't even picture myself in that position! I wouldn't even waste my time to register on a forum like that. First of all because I respect their opinion as it is and I accept the fact that they really think different!<br /><br /><br />I was never THAT "worried and concerned" for the MJ- mourners forums, not as much as to go there and insist as much as you do here. I would never go there and try so hard to show them how "worried I am for their well being" or to demonstrate to them how "manipulated they are!" or just to repeat a hundred times: "I have the right to an opinion!" and then complain: "Don't attack me because I have a different opinion!" it's rather ridiculous and useless, really! I never needed to go exercise "my right to an opinion" on Mj-mourners forums!
<br />And while I'm at it, opinions are 'allowed', but as in life away from the computer screen, common courtesy, politeness, respect and thoughfulness are the tools with which they will be welcomed and listened to. <br />
<br /><br />Wrong. Sarahli just said "it's not a matter of opinion" and the new Back/Front thread specifically states that questioning if Front is legit is not allowed in any way. Which is fine with me because it speaks for itself. But why, when it is clearly stated, are there tons of people denying it?
<br />If only one opinion had been allowed, then you should have been banned from the very first message where you said you disagree with general opinion here.
<br /><br />I was banned for a couple of days a while back.<br /><br />
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I find it strange: you see, I put myself in your shoes. So I tried to imagine how would it be if I went to the non-believers forums, who mourn MJ's death and shout "JUSTICE for MJ", "Death to C Murray" at every 2 words. How would it be if I went to "express my opinion" there? lol I can't even picture myself in that position! I wouldn't even waste my time to register on a forum like that. First of all because I respect their opinion as it is and I accept the fact that they really think different!
<br /><br />I guess you haven't seen how much they are bashed on here sometimes? Also, you would never see me wishing death on anyone, which includes Murray. And other than that ... I'm here to find the truth and I know I came pretty close.<br /><br />
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To say that you are "entertained" by reading conflicting discussions, is not really a nice attitude, sarah31
<br /><br />Oh, really? Then what's with the people who are saying that he hoaxed his death just or mostly for entertainment? So being entertained is a bad thing? Did you ever read bec's signature?<br /><br />P.S. And I forgot to say ... I never said that I'm entertained by reading conflicting discussions, I'm entertained by all kinds of things on here and the one you mentioned is not really one of them.
<br />It's not a matter of opinion? Not on this forum, because there is only one opinion allowed, so as far as this tiny part of the world or internet goes, you are right.<br /><br />Also, if I'm not all that interested in TS, that doesn't mean I'm not interested in discussions and certain posts in all kinds of threads here. Or that I'm not entertained by them. TS is not the only poster on this forum or in his threads.<br />
<br /><br />[size=14pt]I think how you are feeling is tooooooo bad. I also think is one reason why we've lose members over time...or some have not posted as much as others. If you don't follow a certain belief or thought or present a different view...you are deleted...condemned...ideas dismissed.<br />Family, we gathered here for MICHAEL, not to glorify someone who may be giving clues to us. It would be like the Israelites worshiping Moses because he was the one JAH used to deliver the commandments and lead the people and give the Romans the "curses".<br />The world is full of thinkers, what if we all followed the same "song"?? There'd be no more music....<br />Why can't we just agree that we are grateful for whatever clues we get and that we may not agree with the clue, but that we are all here to search for the truth. In the END, we will see who was who.<br /> [/size]
When people dismiss the facts and categorize people who do see them as closed-minded or whatever else, then one has to wonder about their true motives.<br /><br />The “no opinions are allowed” is just a tactic. This is not true, opinions are allowed in this forum but empty accusations and veiled mocking no. One just has to RBTL.
<br />If only one opinion had been allowed, then you should have been banned from the very first message where you said you disagree with general opinion here.
I was banned for a couple of days a while back.
The fact that you are still here, posting and posting is a proof in itself that you were not banned for having "expressed a different opinion", but most probably for some other reason, which becomes clearer to me the more I read you!<br /><br />
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on 1326236620:
I find it strange: you see, I put myself in your shoes. So I tried to imagine how would it be if I went to the non-believers forums, who mourn MJ's death and shout "JUSTICE for MJ", "Death to C Murray" at every 2 words. How would it be if I went to "express my opinion" there? lol I can't even picture myself in that position! I wouldn't even waste my time to register on a forum like that. First of all because I respect their opinion as it is and I accept the fact that they really think different!
I guess you haven't seen how much they are bashed on here sometimes?
This was not even the point of the paragraph that you quoted above^^<br /><br />
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I'm here to find the truth and I know I came pretty close.
Well then I am truly happy for you. You should have found that beloved interior peace. But still something in you contradicts your words with your actions.<br /><br />
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on 1326236620:
To say that you are "entertained" by reading conflicting discussions, is not really a nice attitude, sarah31
Oh, really? Then what's with the people who are saying that he hoaxed his death just or mostly for entertainment?
Yeah, really. In my opinion, those people, just like you, missed the true scope of the hoax which is clearly not "just for entertainment".<br />The "entertainment part" is Michael's way of expressing his original sense of humor with regards to those who gave him hard times all his life! The hoax has different layers, most of them deal with important existential matters, but some of them are intended to mock and ridicule, those who hurt Michael. Sarah31, you either missed the whole series of "V for vendetta" clues or you just pretend not to understand the "entertainment -part" of the hoax.<br /><br />
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So being entertained is a bad thing?
Yes, when you say it as ironically as you do.<br />This was about you, don't try to extrapolate it to the general aspect. ---)) "being entertained" of course is not a bad thing if we talk about it like that. But the way you said you were "entertained" here was really rude.<br />You see, i can understand that you think I am an inferior person to you, intellectually.<br />But can you understand , just for a second, that maybe I am not that stupid as you think I am? Please do yourself a good and reflect on this for a few moments <br /><br />
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Did you ever read bec's signature?
Yes, actually I did read it and I think it refers to what I explained above ^^<br />But you see, in my opinion, it's not really bec's signature that bothers you here and I'll say no more... enough is enough. Now I really understood what you're after here: provocation and "entertainment" out of it.
I find it strange: you see, I put myself in your shoes. So I tried to imagine how would it be if I went to the non-believers forums, who mourn MJ's death and shout "JUSTICE for MJ", "Death to C Murray" at every 2 words. How would it be if I went to "express my opinion" there? lol I can't even picture myself in that position! I wouldn't even waste my time to register on a forum like that. First of all because I respect their opinion as it is and I accept the fact that they really think different!
<br /><br />I guess you haven't seen how much they are bashed on here sometimes?
<br />This was not even the point of the paragraph that you quoted above^^
<br /><br />Read the last sentence of your paragraph, I was commenting on that.
@S31 Wow, you are still here? I have to agree with the people who said it's becoming clear about your true motives. You are obsessed with Front and TS and can't stay away from their threads.
<br /><br />Metamorphman, I guess you're happy you're getting all this attention! <br />I don't understand why you hang around here, if you don't like the results of our digging/thinking. Goodbye and good luck! <br />It's not even so much that you disagree with TS/Front being Michael, but it's your patronizing tone like you're so smart and we're so dumb. So no question you're just another common garden-variety 'shit-stirrer'.<br /><br /><br />Souza, you and Bec are just the best for keeping the forum pest-free! /bravo/ <br />(we can all be pests sometimes ::P to someone in our lives)<br /><br /><br /><br />This is beLIEver's turf, so naturally we will defend it against empty-handed naysayers. What gets me is their arguments against TS/Front are ones we have thoroughly hashed over so LONG ago, and mostly resolved. However if they want to be helpful, why not bring helpful discussion in a more forward approach, into new 'frontiers'. Be on the cutting edge, rather than a dragging foot slowing progress.<br /><br />Love the boot Love4Michael! Classy too! <br /><br /><br />Badria, thank you for posting those sites! I've put them on my 'to read' list. I've come across the comparison of Muhammad and Moses before. My knowledge of Islam is very limited though I have done a little study and read portions of the Koran. TS made reference to the Exodus story in the Koran, but other than that he has focused on the Bible which is why I've not needed to learn more, at least for now.<br />Edit: It was Front, not TS--same person IMO <br /><br />
The miraculous story of parting the Red Sea is told in the Book of Exodus 13:17-14:29. It's also mentioned in the Qur'an (Surah 26: Al-Shu'ara, verses 60-67).
<br /><br /><br />AustralianBeLIEverMJ, and Fordtocarr, congrats on the new jobs, and I hope you still manage some time for the forum!<br /><br />[size=18pt]Thank YOU!!!!! (While waiting for the job to start, I get another interview...now I have decisions to make NICE [/size]<br /><br /><br />For the ones engaging with me on the topic or freewill or not, I hope we're still friends at the end of the day. We have so much more in common than not. We are so complex as humans, and the number of separate beliefs we have about various things numbers in the hundreds, maybe thousands. Mathematically thats a lot of combinations possible! I may be very much the minority in my belief of no free will, but that's okay with me, since I've always been a bit weird. geek/ <br />I do love you all!<br /> bearhug <br />
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