Why do some people comment on this page, saying how "rediculous" and "foolish" the EOW theory is. How can you say "THE WORLD WON'T END OMG"? Are you just scared? Because I know there's no way you would have read the entire article that The Sign wrote, and have only that to say about it. Please don't call the theory "foolish" when you haven't even read it, and when you have nothing to back your "claims" up. Try having an open mind, read the entire article a few times, and then come back with your opinions. Okay? I'm just saying. And if you don't believe it, then just simply close the page and move on instead of calling someone else's belief "foolish". bangbang<br /><br />To Michael, and whoever else is behind that username: Thank you so much, for everything. Really, this hoax has opened my eyes to so many things. And this newest post... I'm just speechless. I've read it once, but I'm going to read it a few more times. Thank you so much.
Thanks so much TS. I will go and read about the Ark ! I've been looking for it. This is so interesting and amazing ! I didn't know about Jesus' blood having a different number of chromosomes. Interesting. I'm going to try to read about that. <br /><br />I agree with you Souza. It never hurts to learn about or read anything. No one says you have to agree or you have to do anything you don't want to. Knowledge is Power people ! and "A Mind is a Terrible Thing to Waste".<br /><br />Love You
<br />[...]I almost think TS is just entertaining possible scenarios of where the ark is, which one is real, which is fake, and maybe this is a test. IDK.
This idea ^^ together with what TS once said about theories that he might sustain, even if he didn't believe in them, don't get out of my mind <br /><br />
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I need to do more research and study and read and study the post some more.<br />[...]
Right! we all need to do this before drawing any precipitated conclusions.
<br />[...]<br />EOW:<br /><br />E1. If the numerology and timing is not a coincidence (see M2 & S2): then why was the 911 call placed immediately at 12:21, unless it was to show that one of the main reasons for the hoax is to warn about the end of the world (that it’s near—even if it’s not at the end of the Mayan calendar, 2012)?<br /><br />E2. Why did MJ specifically mention four more years in TII, unless he was referring to 2012 (and also the Sony movie with “Jackson” in it, etc)?<br /><br />E3. MJ reads the Bible daily; and according to it, there will be an end to this world—and that end will come prior to the “new earth” (see Revelation 21:1; etc). The memorial program actually mentioned that MJ looks forward to the new earth. With these things in mind, how is it possible that the end of the world is not part of MJ’s message?<br />[...]
Still i didn't read the full link to the other forum, but one thing i am going to say for now, i would remind you that someone opened a thread with pictures of Michael and people interested much in the pants of gold, are published pages and pages with photos, i want nor i am interested in influencing the beliefs of anyone in particular but there are people who cares more the size of the penis of Michael that other topics.
<br />Still i didn't read the full link to the other forum, but one thing i am going to say for now, i would remind you that someone opened a thread with pictures of Michael and people interested much in the pants of gold, are published pages and pages with photos, i want nor i am interested in influencing the beliefs of anyone in particular but there are people who cares more the size of the penis of Michael that other topics.<br />
<br />Still i didn't read the full link to the other forum, but one thing i am going to say for now, i would remind you that someone opened a thread with pictures of Michael and people interested much in the pants of gold, are published pages and pages with photos, i want nor i am interested in influencing the beliefs of anyone in particular but there are people who cares more the size of the penis of Michael that other topics.<br />
<br /><br />Hahahaha, that's why I ALWAYS read your posts, even if I have to struggle through them because there is often something unexpected at the end. And quoted for truth btw.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
[...]<br />17. A Signature Identifies Who Signed - http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=56.msg118#msg118<br />[...]<br />With the blood that Ron Wyatt found on the mercy seat of the true ark, the identity is impossible to counterfeit. Normal humans have 46 chromosomes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome). However, [size=14pt]the blood of Jesus from the ark has only 24 chromosomes[/size] (23 “X” from Mary, and 1 “Y” from God). This is very strong scientific evidence of the virgin birth (see Matthew 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38; 3:23).[...]
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<br />Since I am an eternal skeptic, this quote raised in me these questions:<br /><br />1. How do they know it is blood from Jesus? It could be anythings blood if it even is blood.<br />2. On what basis do they assume 1 chromosome is from God? How do you verify this is so and doesn't the father contribute half of the chromosmes therefore if this was the case there should be 12 Y chromosomes?<br />3. Human DNA has 46 chromosomes (23 from mother and 23 from father) or 47 if Down syndrome. How can a substance only showing 24 chromosomes be considered human?<br />Item of interest: VITACEAE: family of flowering plants including the GRAPEVINE. Most species have 38 chromosomes but CISSUS has 24. Maybe what appears to be blood was simply spilt wine!<br />4. To confirm the identity of an individual by their DNA you need to be able to compare that sample with one from either the mother, the father or the individual themselves. This is the purpose of 'cheek cell sampling' when trying to determine a murderers identity from a given sample of people. Since we have none of those in regards to this sample conclusions as to it's origin should be made with caution imo.<br />5. When would Jesus have been able to come into contact with the mercy seat of the true ark?
I loved your questions Heartsong!! <br /><br />
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[...]2. On what basis do they assume 1 chromosome is from God? How do you verify this is so[...]
exactly!! <br /><br />
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[..]3. Human DNA has 46 chromosomes (23 from mother and 23 from father) or 47 if Down syndrome. How can a substance only showing [size=14pt]24[/size] chromosomes be considered human?[...]
Like you, I was also not aware of any of this information, so I really can't comment anything else for now because I think i need to do some serious "digging" into it! <br />Nevertheless, I need to say that while reading, I had, again, one of those WTF?? moments!! [size=14pt]Number 24?? ---) AGAIN??[/size] smiley_spider Surely a "coincidence"!! <br /><br />http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22007.250<br /><br />
I think this is about the ultimate leap of faith.<br /><br />If sh*t gets real, like badly, what harm is there in having faith? No matter what that faith may be.
I watched this documentary about Ron Wyatt and his ark discovery, it might answer some questions. It's 27 (short) parts but very interesting, here is part one (rest on YouTube)<br /><br />
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
[size=12pt]Thank You TS! You know your Bible! You are bringing it to life! Very impressive! <br /><br />Front said: "Parallel lives, parallel paths" and this may well be a key to understanding HIStory.<br /><br />We are in 2012! Year of the Dragon! The red Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns is no other than Satan (Lucifer) who fights Archangel Michael near the End of Times! <br /><br />Those are timely tweets from Nelson de la Nuez:[/size] <br /><br />
<br />@kingofpopart<br />Nelson De La Nuez<br />[size=12pt]#MichaelJackson art #davidLaChapelle photo @LAartShowSEEN pic.twitter.com/QvSjOPAp[/size]<br /><br />
<br />Why does it say at the end of the post.<br /><br />« Last Edit: January 21, 2012, 10:38:01 PM by ~Souza~ » when the post came from "The Sing" member?<br /><br />Whatever, I am just amazed seeing how Michael Jackson´s theme has been push on the side for that. <br /><br />
<br /><br />Michael's 'theme' is as much around on here as ever, there is just less news. If you have any hoax topics to start, please do so because I (and apparently many others) haven't any. About the editing, simply read the thread on here and find your answer. Nothing mysterious there to conspire about, sorry.<br /><br />As for the rest:<br /><br />"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."<br /><br />It might be TS posting, but both the forums are mine and I have a final say in what will be allowed to post and what not. So that means when TS is being violently attacked, I feel violently attacked as well for having it on here. Clearly stage one (ridicule) is passed us, and now we are at stage two. I could do two things:<br /><br />1. I bend and remove this from the forum(s) and will make some people on here happy that it's gone. <br />2. I stand by my trust in TS, my own common sense and will stand for what I believe is right. <br /><br />Those who have been around long enough will know that option 1 is not an option for me. So if you don't agree with certain decisions I make, then that's okay. Like I explained in my blog: I will be tha LAST person to tell you to read your Bible, so I won't. I also said I respect everyone's beliefs (or lack of for that matter). I got interested in the Bible not because of TS, but because of Michael and no one else. I also have a strong belief that this particular subject is something that has interested Michael for a very long time. The fact that he says to Batshit that he doesn't want to die, or grow old even, is for me undeniable proof that Michael believes in the EOW and eternal life after it. He has been studying the Bible his whole life, and he did not do that because he didn't believe a word it says. This forum is about Michael's hoax; absolutely true, but this hoax can not be understood without understanding his life, and Michael himself puts God above his own mother who he adores so much (Moonwalk). That means God -and therefore His WORDS as well- is VERY important to him. I want to know what Michael's big lifework is about, what his plan is and therefore I choose to study what he studied. It's important hoaxwise because it's important Michaelwise, and this forum is about Michael. Why is it okay to discuss his views on music, life itself or movies, but not his beliefs? Why would that be less important when he himself has said so many times how important it is for him? I don't get the strong reactions. Is it because TS says the world will end soon? Does that scare you? It doesn't scare me for a second and I would be happy if it happened tomorrow. The religions believing in the EOW have the same kind of evidence that we have about the hoax, and even stronger in my opinion. <br /><br />We (as hoaxers) have been ridiculed and are now being violently opposed, simply because we can not give them the truth (Michael in this case0 on a silver platter. But we know we are right. We know stage three will come one day soon. We know that because we have read the threads on this forum, connected dots, depicted every tiny bit of evidence to strengthen our faith and to show people that we are not crazy. But some don't want to see it or even read up upon it because it would go against their own beliefs about Michael. There are far more non-believers than believers and yet we know that we (the minority) will have the last laugh. Does that mean that all theories are right, or that even one of the members on here has it all figured out? I don't think so. There are thousands of members on this forum, and not two of them agree completely on everything. That means that out of roughly 5000 members, AT LEAST 4999 members have it wrong. What are the odds that that 1 member has it all figured out? Same with all the thousands of christian religions in the world, I don't think that there is one religion that has it all right, that is why I will never be a part of any of them. But as a whole, they all share the same belief: God is real, Jesus is real and the Bible is truth. Just like we all have the same belief that Michael is alive. This hoax is one big parallel with the Bible and it doesn't matter what you believe or what I believe, it matters what Michael believes because he is directing this show. So in order to understand his message we should study what he studied. That doesn't mean you have to believe it too but it should be at least worth reading.<br /><br />I know that my decision on this will make members leave. I would hate to see some go, I would be glad if certain others left (although some will leave this week for other reasons, as I posted about before). Gema, you know I disagree with you most of the time and vice versa, but I like you as a person and I like your humor, so I hope that you will decide to stay here, whether or not you choose to read the religious threads. They can be ignored by those not interested, everyone has an own free will. Seeing that many opposition, attacks, ridicule and accusations even strengthen my faith that I am doing the right thing by allowing it on here, because it's history repeating. Only eight people were ready when the flood came, even less when brimstone came out of heaven at Sodom and Gomorra. I bet Noah was ridiculed and attacked, but we all know who had the last laugh. The more I study the Bible, the more I understand in this hoax, and the more peace of mind it gives me. Maybe there will only be a handful left at the end, possible, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong on this. <br /><br />So to everyone that wants to leave because of this: I will not hold you down or try to convince you. Some I might miss, some I might miss like migraine, but if you have to go then just go. <br />
<br /><br />I really, really like this post Souza girl I've been quite intrigued by the changes in YOU and the why's of it. I'm glad to understand now. I have over 2 years now noticed changes in you, sometimes lately I'm surprised. What you say in general as to your reasonings for studying or religion in the hoax makes sense to me I do have to admit. I've been one that has been opposed to is, for my own reasons, but, what you say makes sense to me. I'm not to say that I'm agreeing whole heartedly with any informer being the one to lead us into these discussions, as per Michael's request..but, to study what Michael has believed in hopes to know more about him and the hoax as perhaps guidelines now seems reasonable. Not to use the forum as a bible study group or anyone leading us to specific topics to make us reach his interpretation of the bible or Michael's feelings, but as you said, to understand how Michael believed.<br />
Heartsong, good questions. I think your right. We need a relative or the person him/herself to match the DNA from the blood. But how do you know that we have none of those ? Maybe there will be a match !!!!! That's what I'm praying for !! I'm sure there will be fakes, and scams so we have to be careful and research. Remember the information about the Shroud of Turin. There was blood on that also. It was said that was a scam and a set up to match Prince William ???? <br /><br />SimPattyK, I don't know but it doesn't seem like all of those 24's were a coincidence. There's a lot of them !!!!<br /><br /> 8-)<br /><br /><br />
TS..... /bravo/<br /><br />Souza.... /bravo/<br /><br />I am kind of speechless right now. And despite the strong feelings I've had that this was where things were heading,or hoped was heading, I have remained an active "reader" to see it happen...<br /><br />/woohoo/<br /><br />p.s. Souza, it is great to see the change of heart !!<br /><br />
TS, TS_Comments, Souza, and all my fellow board members... thank you all for your contributions. There is a lot of reading and studying to do! Once done, I will contribute in whatever way I can. <br /><br />Regardless of how this information came to us, regardless of what agendas people believe the others have, just remember you control you. Read, study, pray to God for discernment/hope you can discern (depending on your beliefs), have what you learn transform your life.<br /><br />I believe we all need to do our study, not only to be able to distinguish real from fake ark of the covenant, but also real from fake MJs, doctrines, information via media, etc. The illusions run deep everyone and we need to learn to discern, in many many areas.<br /><br />Remember even the most elect will be deceived! That means those with evil agendas will not appear to have evil agendas. (I am not implying at all that TS is appearing to be good but really attempting to deceive). This goes beyond TS and this board. <br /><br />I pray for all of us that we will have discernment in these end times (which I do wholeheartedly believe are here).<br /><br />God bless you all.... off to read!<br />
<br />I think this is about the ultimate leap of faith.<br /><br />If sh*t gets real, like badly, what harm is there in having faith? No matter what that faith may be.<br />
<br /><br />Very well put Andrea. I cannot understand the animosity, sometimes outright hatred, that some people 'feel' after reading TS' posts. I fully get feeling skeptical, unsure, confused, even frustrated...but anger or fear? IMO, those that do feel those emotions are clouded by their lack of faith in the 'messenger'....so clouded that the 'message' keeps flying over their heads. Cause I would bet just about anything that if Mike sat down with ANY one of them and said EXACTLY what TS wrote in his post....the LAST two things they would feel would be anger or fear. Sure they might be confused, unsure, even question MJ on some of his beliefs...but their reactions would NOT be the same as what we're seeing here. If they KNEW it was Mike speaking....they would actually listen to the 'message'. And, IMO, therein lies the problem because it may just end up that by the time the 'messenger' can be 'confirmed' (to their liking)....they will have totally missed the 'message'. And if or when the sh*t does hit the fan, playing 'catch-up' might not be an option.<br /><br />So what harm is there in trying to understand the 'message'? For those that are adament that there will be no EOW (of some sort) and/or don't 'agree' with what TS has to say but are at least willing to keep an open mind...then the BEST case scenario would be that nothing happens (no EOW, no final battle, no nothing). At worst, you lost/wasted a few hours of your life reading and researching about stuff that didn't end up happening....life goes on (compared to the total # of hours you've wasted on other stuff that didn't mean anything, not that big a loss). But if the sh*t does end up flying...and you've read and tried to understand the 'message', maybe you'll have learned something that helps you in some way...even if only to recognize the 'signs' as they appear.<br /><br />I've only read the post once and had to go for a walk afterwards cause it was A LOT to take in. I jotted some questions down as I was reading it but I'm gonna 'let it simmer' some more, sleep on it and then read it again in the morning. Any questions that still remain after that, I'll post here. Given the 'topic', I'm hoping TS will be able to engage in this conversation with us more so than he has in the past with other topics.<br /><br />Edited to add the following....funny enough, THIS kept playing in the back of my mind the whole time I was reading TS' post.<br /><br /><br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.
<br />TS, TS_Comments, Souza, and all my fellow board members... thank you all for your contributions. There is a lot of reading and studying to do! Once done, I will contribute in whatever way I can. <br /><br />Regardless of how this information came to us, regardless of what agendas people believe the others have, just remember you control you. Read, study, pray to God for discernment/hope you can discern (depending on your beliefs), have what you learn transform your life.<br /><br />I believe we all need to do our study, not only to be able to distinguish real from fake ark of the covenant, but also real from fake MJs, doctrines, information via media, etc. The illusions run deep everyone and we need to learn to discern, in many many areas.<br /><br />Remember even the most elect will be deceived! That means those with evil agendas will not appear to have evil agendas. (I am not implying at all that TS is appearing to be good but really attempting to deceive). This goes beyond TS and this board. <br /><br />I pray for all of us that we will have discernment in these end times (which I do wholeheartedly believe are here).<br /><br />God bless you all.... off to read!<br /><br />
<br /><br />That was a fantastic post Wendy! Discernment is PARAMOUNT in these last days!<br /><br /><br />BeTheChange: Thanks for the post and video! ...VERY true!<br /><br /><br />I'm definitely gonna read the info that TS provided and I'll post again to share my views on the material. <br /><br />I think that we are headed in a very interesting direction! This is actually quite exciting!!!<br /><br /><br />TheRunningGirl: Great post!! It's nice to see you again!<br /><br />SimPattyK: Thanks for the info on the #24!! I love that pic with Elvis wearing the calendar! When I was in high school, I was a part of the mariachi group and all of the gold metal decorations on our uniforms were Mayan calendars just like the one Elvis is wearing. *sigh* I miss playing in the group. lol<br /><br /><br />Bec: I liked the levels too. It was fun and challenging. But hey, I'm open to new challenges. This one is no exception. ^_^<br /><br /><br />Souza: That was a very good post! I agree with you. If people want to leave then they should. It would be in everyone’s best interest. <br /><br />>>> They won't waste their time posting and we won't waste our time reading their abhorrent posts. << If that offended anyone, then own it!<br /><br />But like I said in the other redirect thread, "I think it's time for us to shed some dead skin.” XDDDDDD<br /><br /><br />PS: Fore those who reject the Bible and its message about EOW… It would probably be a good idea to listen to Michael’s lyrics from “Shout” just to get an idea as to how he feels about this subject.<br /><br /><br />“…Masses of minds shrouded with clouded vision<br />Deceptions and indecisions <br />No faith of religion<br />How we’re living<br />The clock is ticking <br />The end is coming <br />There will be no warning…”<br />
I'm just confused about whether TS is saying Michael will BAM before the EOW to help save us, if Michael did die and is going to come back at the EOW, or if Michael's BAM is unrelated to EOW. I think I need to read his post a couple more times to understand it better.
Same with all the thousands of christian religions in the world, I don't think that there is one religion that has it all right, that is why I will never be a part of any of them. But as a whole, they all share the same belief: God is real, Jesus is real and the Bible is truth. Just like we all have the same belief that Michael is alive. This hoax is one big parallel with the Bible and it doesn't matter what you believe or what I believe, it matters what Michael believes because he is directing this show.
<br /><br />I find this part of Souza's post profound. Seems this is would be a perfect time to allow labels to drop off. To be part of the ecclesia, one of a multitude who have responded to the call and become a citizen of Christ's kingdom is the only defining label that I put any faith in holding. I am totally persuaded that true peace and liberty cannot be found outside of Christ. There will be a lot to study and digest from this latest post from TS and will be back with some thoughts after I do the required research. <br />
@TS: I tell you what, I can't get down with the God stuff. If I'm on Satan's side unless I get with it, well, in a handbasket I go.<br /><br />I already know I'm going to work like a dog until the day I die. No retirement package will ever be mine. I already know I'll likely die sick and poor. Can't afford health insurance so that means no health care either. I can forget about those sunny beach vacations so many people seem to get. Never in the budget. The system has me by the proverbial balls, there is no escape, KAPISHE?<br /><br />I don't think it behooves me to spend the little free time that I get focused on the end of the world nor on the Illuminati. I'm aware we are in peril. I'm aware the system sucks, oh TRUST me I'm aware. I need to spend my personal time on positive pursuits, some escape from that doom n gloom that is the world we all live in.<br /><br />I need to focus on being alive for the time that I have, and pursuing happiness.
<br />I need to focus on being alive for the time that I have, and pursuing happiness.<br />
<br /><br />This I totally agree with. We must live the one life we know we have well, for it is all we really know for sure. <br /><br />There have been dozens of doomsday predictions (many made based on biblical prophecies). NONE have come true.<br /><br />Here is a website that lists them all http://www.abhota.info/end4.htm<br /> <br />Even tho I think the bible is made up by men, I do know it pretty well and I am sure there is something in there to be said about false prophets and what God thinks of them.<br /><br />If I believed in God, I would be very careful about EOW predictions since an incorrect prediction makes one a false prophet in the eyes of God.<br /><br />I think I'll just live life by focusing on giving to others and treating our planet and the creatures that call it home with respect. We can change this world for the better. That for me is Michael's message. <br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br />
I'll be honest here, my problem with all things God-related has been, for many, many years, that I cannot get over the feeling that it is arrogant of us, of Mankind, to think we know and can explain, it all. What makes us so special? This arrogance has brought the world to the state it's in now. A little humility in mankind in general, and stepping back from situations, reassessing, rather than always forging on, having to prove we can and we're right, would not go amiss.<br /><br />IMO, If God didn't exist then we'd have invented him anyhow, as a carrot .... or a stick. Those in the 'carrot' category, frequently use him as a prop/support/guide through life's difficulties. I can think of no-one more likely to need/grasp this type of help than Michael Jackson with his stress filled life.<br /><br />So here's a revolutionary thought - hey, Michael Jackson may not be right! He might believe with all his being in God and prophesies regarding the end of the world etc, he may be doing everything in his power to alert the rest of mankind, and that might make him just about the most loving man to have ever lived, but that still doesn't necessarily make him right, any more than me being sceptical makes me right. I'm not being disrespectful here, I'm just thinking he's not 'god', he doesn't know it all, and he is just finding his way through life the best (albeit, incredible) way he can, like the rest of us!<br /><br />I get the impression some think we have been tricked into 'religion' by reeling us in with MJ first, only to come in now with heavy God talk. I have always felt this was where the hoax was heading but TS has never 'tricked' anyone - he has always said to think for ourselves and not believe what he says just because he says it.<br /><br />So this latest redirect should not cause panic and mass departures. If these are MJ's views via The Sign or TS or whoever, so be it, and if MJ has nothing to do with it, then TS has proved that many of us never did get the hang of 'thinking for ourselves'. Everyone is free to read or not, to research further or not, to agree or not.<br /><br />And if the truth, which never seems to have prevailed so far in history, is about to be shown, and I am found on the wrong side, then that is meant to be, as I would not be the right material for the 'new world'.
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.""For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."