<br />Tink, you are a deep digger...<br />You know how good it is to review old material?<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related<br /><br /><br />Watch! At 0:17, you see somebody strongly ressembling Doc Murray walking by Michael's car (in the tiny movie embedded at left). This could be the first document of Michael and Doc Murray together.<br /><br />I cut a screenshot & one of the very rare profile pictures of Doc Murray's left cheek together.<br />The chin to neck part is identical IMHO.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
<br />Great catch! He does look like him. It almost looks like he's deliberately walking in front of the camera and backing up to be seen again. A question for you video makers, could his figure be added in later to the video to look like it's a part of the original?<br /><br /><br />Also if the cameraman taking this footage is of average height, holding the camera at eye-level, then Murray looks too short. Some illusion work by MJ?<br /><br /><br />On the theme of the hoax van video, I don't know what to do with TS' adamant claim that MJ was not in the ambulance but was long before at the airport (Jermaine's slip-up), thus not in the coroner's van either. My heart tells me MJ was totally involved all that day, but why would TS do this? /pull hair/ Is he cheating? :shock:
I always thought he was up to some funny business with that whole ambulance levels. He never proved MJ wasn't on the stretcher even though it seemed he bent over backwards to insinuate such without directly stating it.<br /><br />All he said was that it would be risky for MJ to be there, not that he wasn't.
<br />Tink, you are a deep digger...<br />You know how good it is to review old material?<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related<br /><br /><br />Watch! At 0:17, you see somebody strongly ressembling Doc Murray walking by Michael's car (in the tiny movie embedded at left). This could be the first document of Michael and Doc Murray together.<br /><br />I cut a screenshot & one of the very rare profile pictures of Doc Murray's left cheek together.<br />The chin to neck part is identical IMHO.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
<br />Great catch! He does look like him. It almost looks like he's deliberately walking in front of the camera and backing up to be seen again. A question for you video makers, could his figure be added in later to the video to look like it's a part of the original?<br /><br /><br />Also if the cameraman taking this footage is of average height, holding the camera at eye-level, then Murray looks too short. Some illusion work by MJ?<br /><br /><br />On the theme of the hoax van video, I don't know what to do with TS' adamant claim that MJ was not in the ambulance but was long before at the airport (Jermaine's slip-up), thus not in the coroner's van either. My heart tells me MJ was totally involved all that day, but why would TS do this? /pull hair/ Is he cheating? :shock:<br />
<br /><br />@Grace - It's such a great catch, can we PLEASE have a MOD start a new THREAD on this particular item!? It's also another item on the chessboard here!
<br />Yes we do, curls. Just got to stick with what you have already found to be true and don't let anyone turn you round. Brother.<br />
<br /><br />LOL Bec, nobody's turning me round, brother! I just meant if we're not meant to work out the illusion (yet), we won't - more just gets piled on when we get close! But knowing there's an illusion in the first place is all I really need to know. The rest is fun party/ ...... or frustration /pull hair/ !! <br /><br />'Because it's just a matter of time....'
<br />Tink, you are a deep digger...<br />You know how good it is to review old material?<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related<br /><br /><br />Watch! At 0:17, you see somebody strongly ressembling Doc Murray walking by Michael's car (in the tiny movie embedded at left). This could be the first document of Michael and Doc Murray together.<br /><br />I cut a screenshot & one of the very rare profile pictures of Doc Murray's left cheek together.<br />The chin to neck part is identical IMHO.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
<br />Great catch! He does look like him. It almost looks like he's deliberately walking in front of the camera and backing up to be seen again. A question for you video makers, could his figure be added in later to the video to look like it's a part of the original?<br /><br /><br />Also if the cameraman taking this footage is of average height, holding the camera at eye-level, then Murray looks too short. Some illusion work by MJ?<br /><br /><br />On the theme of the hoax van video, I don't know what to do with TS' adamant claim that MJ was not in the ambulance but was long before at the airport (Jermaine's slip-up), thus not in the coroner's van either. My heart tells me MJ was totally involved all that day, but why would TS do this? /pull hair/ Is he cheating? :shock:<br />
<br /><br />@Grace - It's such a great catch, can we PLEASE have a MOD start a new THREAD on this particular item!? It's also another item on the chessboard here!<br />
The one I saw Michael jump out of had no lettering under the number plate.<br />The video in question has no numbering below the plate! Confused Much!!
<br />I tell you what, depending on what screen you still the videos, the pixelation does weird things to the font on the license plates.<br /><br />TS taught me during the Levels that video quality affects the image on the still. Poor video quality ( which is really all we have available online) is created out of a number of pixels. When the digital program decides what color to make the pixel of any given area, it chooses the dominant color of that square, ignoring minor colors. This can result in fonts being changed or minor details being completely lost against a solid color background.<br /><br />This is California's license plate font, Penitentiary Gothic:<br />http://www.leewardpro.com/articles/licplatefonts/font-penitentiary.html<br /><br /><br />It looks to me in the videos, as though the blue shirted man touches the van lower then the white shirted man, perhaps touching the plate itself. I cannot tell what he is doing but he definitely and purposefully touches the van.<br /><br />Why would they do this though? What is the purpose of removing a sticker and possibly altering the van's appearance in some other subtle way like this? These are very small and seemingly insignificant changes; that one would have to look closely for in order to discover. What's the purpose for all this trouble?<br />
<br /><br />@bec: Because this is the Rabbit Hole itself, where reality & fantasy blended, for a moment in time! People are buying into the elaborate effects laden fantasy, complete with what everyone heard & saw – but missing the devil in the details.<br /><br />There's only one reason to mess with the plates: to make to make anyone taking photos or video after this last planned juncture, to look fake, and easily dismissed. They were in control of the Media, to the point of where the Coroner’s van entered the Coroner’s Garage. <br /><br />Once the doubt was planted on the authenticity of the plates, people won’t ever believe anything else again about him being alive. It would take Michael literally walking into Larry King’s studio, to make them wake up.<br /><br />As for the pixilation: What you mentioned about the resolution, is correct. It gave me a huge headache to pull in the tight and filter it,<br />but it revealed it all. <br /><br />To be honest, I’m a bit surprised that I’m the first one to figure this out, who posted it - though apparently you say TS had alluded to it.<br />I did blow it up to work on, so you can see what all I found - just need to open imageshack acct.<br /><br />
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<br /> /><br />Dont know what to think really. You have probably seen this before, but anyway, worth<br />another look I think? WTF?? <br />
<br /><br />@annieareyouokannie - Please go back and read everything I've posted, okay? <br />And especially pay attention to the video I posted<br />above the CHESHIRE CAT on page one.<br /><br />That's the photo I'm debunking, btw. It was faked in post op.<br />Photos vs. moving images are two different things - and there is absolutely NO warning about the baby in the other video. fresse/<br /><br />My point's made on every other live video. That's a very, very bad cut & past job. Tomorrow, I'll show you how badly.
Sorry Tink. I am a bit dumb, takes a lot of explaining for me to get it sometimes. Now I think I do, sort of lol. So the van that went into the garage without the baby warning was the van Michael got out of? This is the original van video? Sorry again.
<br />Sorry Tink. I am a bit dumb, takes a lot of explaining for me to get it sometimes. Now I think I do, sort of lol. So the van that went into the garage without the baby warning was the van Michael got out of? This is the original van video? Sorry again.<br />
<br /><br />@annie - please, please don't call yourself that!! It was an intentional deception, that fooled the world!! bearhug<br />Yes; it's the real deal. <br />"Post production" means after the fact. They doctored the photos, while placed side-by-side.<br />I've been awake too long, due to eye strain. Just when I'm excited, I can't sleep. <br />You're not the only one who bought this intentional deception, the guy in the blue outfit shot it, and it's very real. They went to great lengths, to try<br />and prove it was "fake" and I pierced the veil of deception. Sounds like TS did, may have been the one who helped to stage it, or is Michael.<br /><br />It's all coming around, don't worry. I'll post the image after I've had some sleep. Unless Michael himself requests I don't post my findings, <br />you shall see it. bearhug
i read this last ngiht on another thread. but he said something about his children and how they are aware of what happened, mentioned his siblings and Cassandra. This on doesn't.. did anyone see the video? I think the account is deleted right now, but I hope he comes back.
<br /><br />Right. This one is not mentioning Cassandra neither the thank you note to the great fans on his side, and does not mention even how a good fan should be <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --> and ehat about the Gilda clue? either it is or not?<br /><br />Parts are missing.<br /><br />From youtube and posted here yesterday<br /><br />But first, I must tell you this: I have no idea, who Dom is. I don't know a person by the name of Stephanie either.<br /><br />I Love my children so very, very much, they are aware of the situation, yes you did see me at Universal Studios. However, many sightings of me are false.<br /><br />Omer wants to be left, alone.<br /><br />Dr Conrad Murray will not be charged with a homicide, where it concerns me.<br />Dr Arnold Klein is a LIAR. I feel very let down by him and his actions. What he said was disgusting and dehumanizing.<br />I did not impersonate Dave on Larry King Live.<br /><br />Cassandra is my friend and a very good person.<br /><br />I Love my sister Janet. My sister Rebbie NEVER had a twitter account. La Toya is not a bad person. You give Jermaine a hard time, I think. Marlon, Randy, Jackie & Tito, they have stuck by me, so far and I thank them sincerely.<br /><br />I Love my mother Katherine, she has helped me pull through thick and thin, never making me feel bad about myself, but giving me Hope. My father Joseph, is not entirely a heartless person, I just wished he would have cared more.<br /><br />I do Love my family and most of all the Fans, you have to know that.<br /><br />Without Kenny Ortega and Randy Phillips' help, I wouldn't have managed this. You will know more in due course.<br /><br />Body doubles have been used. But were they used for me?<br /><br />Elizabeth Taylor, she is like my second mother, I Love her so much. I Love Diana.<br />Evan Ross is not my son.<br /><br />Chris is so funny, he makes me laugh even when I feel like crying.<br /><br />I keep seeing "fedora hat man" videos and I want to tell you that I was not at the funeral, in person.<br /><br />The 911 call... Oh God. I hate that you had to listen to that.<br /><br />If you have been wondering my This Is It song was written by me. Anka and me had a plan.<br /><br />Sony are not as bad as you may think, I wouldn't allow that. The new slogan has been done for a purpose.<br /><br />The video I uploaded was me, it was planned to see how things can be interpreted and now I know some of you clearly do not know me, but say you are fans. I feel slightly let down and hurt by this.<br />Some also speculate on whether I attended my Press Conference in London, March. I did attend.<br /><br />The ambulance picture was not real, I'm sure most of you realize this.<br />I was not in the helicopter, that was someone else.<br /><br />In regards to the RTL coroners van video, some parts were real.<br /><br />"I'm alive and I'm here Forever" & "Love Lives Forever," I chose this, when TOY - the Fans.<br /><br />Liberian Girl is very significant. Don't close your mind. Please keep an open mind.<br /><br />In my Movie, the Gilda scene was not intentionally meant to be a clue, neither was my hand gestures.<br /><br />I do Believe in the 2012 theory, we need to stop all wrong-doings in this world and help to Love one another more and to show each other support, before it's too late.<br /><br />Some rehearsals date back, quite far.<br /><br />I have told you much, I feel compelled to do so as I will not be sending replies any time soon.<br />Please don't hate me for what I have done. I have Faith in you all, I Believe in you all. I just wish you would have Believed in me. Most times I feel isolated as though there is no one around to understand, to understand why I have done this. I can not wait to personally tell you all this. But the time will come, when I feel it is best to fully reveal.<br /><br />I would just like to add a special thanks to those who have beLIEved in me on YouTube from the start (in no particular order):<br />sexilady72<br />124mikki<br />MJJ20Girl<br />TheLongislandgirl83<br />MJSONLY<br />TheMadoula<br />wishiwsmine<br /><br />The comeback will be Great.<br />An adventure.<br /><br />Love always and Forever with the L.O.V.E.<br />I must go."<br /><br />From TNZ<br /><br />I have nothing to gain or lose,<br /><br /><br />There are so many speculations and plain contradictions.<br /><br />I Love my children so very, very much, they are aware of the situation,<br /><br />yes you did see me at Universal Studios.<br /><br />many sightings of me are false.<br /><br /><br />Dr Conrad Murray will not be charged with a homicide<br /><br />Without Kenny Ortega and Randy Phillips' help, I wouldn't have managed this.<br /><br />You will know more in due course.<br /><br /><br /><br />Body doubles have been used.<br /><br />.<br /><br />This Is It song was written by me. Anka and me had a plan.<br /><br />Sony are not as bad as you may think, I wouldn't allow that. The new slogan has been done for a purpose.<br /><br /><br /><br />The video I uploaded was me, planned to see how things can be interpreted<br /><br />now I know some of you clearly do not know me, but say you are fans. I feel slightly let down and hurt by this.<br /><br />whether I attended my Press Conference in London, March ,I did attend.<br /><br /><br />The ambulance picture was not real,I'm sure most of you realize this.<br /><br /><br />In regards to the RTL coroners van video, some parts were real.<br /><br />"I'm alive and I'm here Forever"<br /><br /><br />Liberian Girl is very significant.<br /><br />Don't close your mind. Please keep an open mind.<br /><br /><br />In my Movie, the Gilda scene was intentionally meant to be a clue,<br /><br /><br />we need to stop all wrong-doings in this world and help to Love one another more and to show each other support, before it's too late.<br /><br />Some rehearsals date back, quit far<br /><br />Please don't hate me for what I have done.<br /><br />I just wish you would have Believed in me.<br /><br />the time will come<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The comeback will be Great.<br /><br />An adventure.<br /><br />Love always and Forever with the L.O.V.E
<br /><br />misha has only posted the parts that where in bold letters. the post was about reading between the lines and don't take everything for a fact. <br />so the things misha posted here the parts that tnz posted in bold an big letters... <!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->
@Grace.....thank you so much for posting that......it's that hind-sight is 20/20 for me. You managed to put a smile on my face <br />I so appreciate you! I needed a jolt of memories like that. Whether that was Michael or not, it evokes a sense of peace within me. Sometimes, I really have to wonder if I knew myself through this hoax. I have not only learned so much about Michael, but of the values I hold dearest.......loyalty, trust, love & honesty. Those four things encompass my life...or at least I try very hard on a daily basis. Going through the past 2.5 years, I can honestly say they, that while they were always part of me, they have now been honed to a sharper point of realization in my life. So, whatever it is we are part of.....it's Michael's doing and I owe him a huge debt of gratitude. I couldn't ever repay that debt except to say he has my undivided loyalty, trust, love & honesty. This is the adventure of a lifetime........thank you Michael, God Bless you always.<br /><br />Blessings to all...thank you again Grace.... <br /><br />PS> And thank you to the mods and Souza for this forum.......it's truly amazing to me.
Well, to be fair, we were talking about white shirt guy pealing something off the back of the van @helicopter pad back a couple years ago, when van video first hit the scene. It was presumed that he removed the baby sticker. You see him balling something up in his hands to be disposed of like trash. That was where this investigation hit a wall though, because it seems so nonsensical. As I said, what's the point?<br /><br />The point being deception and illusion, NOW, seems sufficient enough, considering how many years in we are. In 2009 we had no idea it was intended to go on for THIS LONG.<br /><br />Neither did it occur to us in 2009 that these men might be in on it. We were more or less operating under the assumption that MJ would have had to pull this portion off pretty much solo... which seemed a monumentally supreme effort, perhaps unrealistically so.<br /><br />Hense it pretty much hitting a brick wall.<br /><br />NOW, to accept that these guys were all in on it, well, I'm down with that.<br /><br />TS went on n on about how much RISK it would require for MJ to play dead under that sheet and fly around LA and hide in the back of ambulances and coroner vans... but that insistance always felt so disingenuous to me... we are talking about the most famous man in the world who just faked his death in a larger-then-life way played out on live national television and he's whining about RISK??? Come on. MJ ate risk for breakfast that morning.<br /><br />Besides... what's the RISK if everyone who comes in contact with your "dead body" is IN ON IT???<br /><br />And then the warnings about how the fewest in on it the better. How TS went on n on again how we can't explain everything by saying "well they're in on it". Ok fine, but... but if they're in on it that DOES EXPLAIN IT--so why reject true information just because TS shakes his finger at you and says it needs to be more complicated?<br /><br />I think he was seriously fucking with our minds. Insert seed of doubt. Kill time for another YEAR(s).<br /><br />I'm telling you guys, we had this shit figured out by October 2009. We just lacked confidence in self to realize it. HE sought to make us doubt ourselves. HE tried to turn us round. But the longer we go on here, the more it comes crystal clear.<br /><br />Trust your instincts, because they were always correct.
I think he was seriously fucking with our minds. Insert seed of doubt. Kill time for another YEAR(s).I'm telling you guys, we had this shit figured out by October 2009. We just lacked confidence in self to realize it. HE sought to make us doubt ourselves. HE tried to turn us round. But the longer we go on here, the more it comes crystal clear.Trust your instincts, because they were always correct.
<br /><br /><br />Yep, lovable devil in disguise! Oh, how I love his beautiful mind! "It's an adventure, a great adventure! Nothing to be afraid of! We want to give them escapism!"<br /><br /><br />Grace, if that Insider was really MJ (which I doubt), then it was again only to play with our minds, with truths and lies--beLIEve.
I don't think that there's anything on this planet which does not happen for a purpose.<br /><br />TNZ was quite interesting at those times. They yelled too loud for my taste but they managed thought provoking attacks & questions that nobody dared then. Everybody was paralyzed by the loss of the icon and nobody wanted to consider the man. So no matter if that part of their posts was fiction or not, I think they pioneered a channel towards liberation of the man. TNZ was pretty "hands on" then. They saturated a huge number of followers in addition - thinking for them.<br /><br />I would sign that some part of the RTL video was real and some part was illusion.<br />The sound track was making it really "real" at first sight. <br />But. <br />And then come the questions we tossed and turned many times since 2009.<br /><br />I believe in the fake video originating in some RTL program conference for the only acceptable reasons:<br />they could have done it<br />they had the means to do it<br />they had a motivation to do it<br />they had the occasions to do it.<br /><br />IMHO, RTL produced the video (and the "making of") for exactly the reasons they stated in the "making of" because it fits their character of a tabloidish TV channel. <br /><br />This does however not answer why the Sheriff pulled off labels / tapes on the original van.<br />This does however not answer who ignited RTL's idea to produce a video.<br /><br /><br />
There's a reason this theory just won't die... and there's a reason I won't let it go like a dog with a bone. <br /><br />It was an incredible illusion... and it will be an incredible realization when MJ comes clean. The earth will quake. Society will reel. This is what back meant. It IS the giant boulder falling from the sky, there's no stopping it because it was already done. The dominoes are all lined up... all V has to do is set it in motion.<br /><br />Ok I'm excited again.
Maybe I'm missing something or interpreting it differently, but IMO the pulling off of whatever from the back of the van lends more support to the 'jumping out of the van' vid having been created BEFORE June 25th, not after (or is that what everyone is saying and I'm just reading it wrong?). If the vid was made at a later late (after June 25th)...why the need to pull anything off the van? They would just have to re-create the exact same coroner van that transported the 'body' on the 25th. However, if the 'jumping out' vid was created 'the other day' (I vaguely recall TS commenting that the fake ambulance pic was shot indoors...maybe they shot the 'jumping out' vid that same day in that garage?)...then it makes more sense that anything that didn't match the rear of the 'fake' coroner van used in the vid shot 'the other day' would need to be taken off (hence the taking off of any stickers that were different or not present). I say 'fake' coroner van because there is nothing I've yet to see that 'proves' that it was the same coroner van in both vids. We see it entering a garage...but the 'jumping out' vid begins once already inside, with no date or timestamp.<br /><br />If it was shot 'the other day', then MJ most likely was not anywhere near the place 'that day' (although I will admit that my initial gut feeling was that he rode 'pole position' that whole day). I'm not so sure anymore...but I am pretty sure that it IS Mike jumping out of that van, regardless of when it was shot.<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.<br /><br />P.S. I hate iPads.
The sticker would have to have been added as a prop. You can't just pull a sticker like that off normally. Nope, they couldn't have *made* the van @helicopter pad match a van used prior by removing a sticker like that. It would have required much more intensive preparation behind the scenes.<br /><br />This was done on live camera for a reason.
The easy answer to "why" is because it's a clue. Like everything else, if you look closely enough, you CAN discover the truth.<br /><br />Preventing entrapment. Lol.
Bec, I agree with what you've said.<br /><br />TS was supposed to systematically eliminate the various theories that were out there about who/what/if anything went to UCLA that day - TS said: "There are quite a few such theories floating around, and they all need to be thoroughly debunked for once and for all—so that we can see the simplicity of doing everything as real as possible, other than the very few things that required otherwise (such as the ambulance photo)."<br /><br />TS attempted to 'debunk' the live MJ theory first, sort of, but had said as I quoted above 'doing everything as real as possible' which to me means MJ being there every step of the way. Directing, starring, being thrown around like a sack of potatoes (lol), etc. <br /><br />So where are these other theories debunked by TS, if he (sort of) tried to debunk the live MJ theory? If I remember correctly bec, the most opposition TS received in that thread was from you and I as we supported (and still do) the live MJ 'theory'. TS is very careful in his wording and nothing he's written tells me that MJ wasn't there. It actually points to Michael being there, in a roundabout way, but written cleverly as to raise doubt. Maybe that's why he didn't bother to debunk the other theories.<br /><br />I hope what I've written makes sense, the pizza I ordered arrived as I started typing this and the smell has been driving me mad and clouding my thought processes, lol.
Yes, Andrea, we are like-minded again.<br /><br />I knew something was wrong. But man, I felt so BAD picking at it like a festering wound. Especially when he started getting heated about it and suggesting that I (we) were being disrespectful for thinking it was all fun n' games that day. We never said we thought it was all fun n games, I thought that was a little unfair... considering he never talked like that before, it sure knocked the soap box out from under me a little, I admit. <br /><br />Do you remember him taking that tone? Short of going back and reviewing the thread, I don't recall the exact phrase but it was sort of... dare I say, rude.
<br />I tell you what, depending on what screen you still the videos, the pixelation does weird things to the font on the license plates.<br /><br />TS taught me during the Levels that video quality affects the image on the still. Poor video quality ( which is really all we have available online) is created out of a number of pixels. When the digital program decides what color to make the pixel of any given area, it chooses the dominant color of that square, ignoring minor colors. This can result in fonts being changed or minor details being completely lost against a solid color background.<br /><br />This is California's license plate font, Penitentiary Gothic:<br />http://www.leewardpro.com/articles/licplatefonts/font-penitentiary.html<br /><br /><br />It looks to me in the videos, as though the blue shirted man touches the van lower then the white shirted man, perhaps touching the plate itself. I cannot tell what he is doing but he definitely and purposefully touches the van.<br /><br />Why would they do this though? What is the purpose of removing a sticker and possibly altering the van's appearance in some other subtle way like this? These are very small and seemingly insignificant changes; that one would have to look closely for in order to discover. What's the purpose for all this trouble?<br />
<br /><br />@bec: Because this is the Rabbit Hole itself, where reality & fantasy blended, for a moment in time! People are buying into the elaborate effects laden fantasy, complete with what everyone heard & saw – but missing the devil in the details.<br /><br />There's only one reason to mess with the plates: to make to make anyone taking photos or video after this last planned juncture, to look fake, and easily dismissed. They were in control of the Media, to the point of where the Coroner’s van entered the Coroner’s Garage. <br /><br />Once the doubt was planted on the authenticity of the plates, people won’t ever believe anything else again about him being alive. It would take Michael literally walking into Larry King’s studio, to make them wake up.<br />
<br /><br />This makes sense. I accept that's probably the answer to "why bother". Same with all the other clues all along. Why bother add the S to pain. Why bother using Liberian Girl themes. Why bother putting off the burial for 70 days. Why bother with having Paris do a speech at all. Why bother tweak the vocals on Michael album. Why bother layering a leaf image into the ambulance pic. Why bother having docs work on him for 2 hours 5 minutes in the ER. Why bother using Propofol. Why bother having hoaxers?<br /><br />Why bothering with a missing sticker on the back of the coroner's van on a video exposing the whole hoax?<br /><br />It's all to prevent entrapment. NO ONE ON EARTH will be able to say they were fooled so completely that it was impossible to know better. ANYONE can see these things and figure out the ruse. It's NOT a swindle or a fraud... it's a hoax, a prank, a joke, officially, it's fair play.<br /><br />TS talks in double-speak. We've always known this. But after 2 years, do we remember that??
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