<br />We should remember <br /><br />a) Michaels' rant about Sony, his song BAD he sang (you're throwing stones to hide your hands) and that one goes far back BEFORE any alligations<br />b) La Toya remindung us to look at the left hand instead of at the right hand (the trial) that is right in front of us (something like that). <br /><br />By looking at this whole fiasco I have strong doubts AEG is the bad guy. They (AEG and Lady Katherine & Kids) are used. By Sony. Through the lawsuit filed by Sony affiliated lawyers by using Lady Katherine & MJ3 as the plaintiffs AGAINST AEG they try to sabotage AEG and therefore try to hide their hands. That way Sony stays in the background and let the public shred AEG apart when it's Sony that should be shredded. It's the same pattern they already used on Michael, is it not? Set someone/a company/anyone/anything up and have 'em publicly scrutinized. And here some of you are following Sony's script. Michael knew what he wrote and sang about. Why else did Michael openly 'complain' about Sony? He knew all along that Sony used him forever and a day. (only about Mr. Branca:Michael knew Mr. Branca was Sony affiliated - amongst others. JB negotiated the deal for SONY to buy the footage from AEG and produce TII (big bucks). He was not trusted by Michael any longer. He was never re-hired. He produced a phoney will, never produced a valid contract that stated he was rehired). All for Sony. This suit is about money and was filed through lawyers which I am certain they are Sony payed. I think we can be save by saying, Lady Katherine would never file such a lawsuit about money as in her eyes it's not about money but about her son. So, my conclusion is that Lady Katherine knows too much and is threatened by Sony thus pushed into publically go against AEG, who itself also is just the fall guy like Murray. <br /><br />And Wade? I bet he's Sony payed ... Joe is completely correct in assuming that there IS a big fat wallet financing Wade. And Sonys' wallet is definitely much bigger than AEGs.<br />
<br /><br />Great point of view MFFreedom. I think you may be right.
<br /><br /> :-\ :suspect: :affraid: :-\ remember the ed bradley thing. he says something about he would never do anything sexual with a child , that was not where his heart is. that's not michael jackson , that's someone else. now scary part the manifesto shows up. <br />
<br /><br />I remember reading years ago that when Michael came back from New York after taping "The Wiz" people said he was different/changed....and like you said, now this "manifesto" appears after so many years.<br /><br />"MJ will be my new name," he wrote. "No more Michael Jackson. I want a whole new character, a whole new look. I should be a tottally [sic]different person. People should never think of me as the kid who sang "ABC," [or]"I Want You Back." "I should be a new, incredible actor/singer/dancer that will shock the world," he wrote. "I will do no interviews. I will be magic. I will be a perfectionist, a researcher, a trainer, a masterer [sic]. I will be better than every great actor roped into one."<br /><br /><br /><br />I know a lot of celebrities speak of having a "duality" or an alter persona. But for MJ to be both these people Taj and Wade describe seems extreme...like a Jekyll Mr. Hyde!<br /><br /><br />In Wade's own words he said...His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. Robson, June 2009<br /><br />Which tend to mirror what Taj said. So how do you go from this statement to an allegation/claim?<br /><br /><br />Let's just say for the sake of argument Wade isn't being paid....why now? why tell it now? What is there to gain going public?<br /><br /><br /><br />If anyone can answer that...then I could put this to bed and not think about it...cause right now it's making no sense to me except to be about money! :icon_e_confused:<br />
<br /><br />very interesting about the part after the wiz. when did he decide to get his own lawyers and so on anyone know. i remember some sort of taped comment from katherine on that , i guess the family wasn't too hip on the idea. what stood out to me was a statement she made that the lawyers ( or someone ) said he didn't need the family ( or group) any more and commented yes but they needed him. <br /><br />randy j. taborelli (sp) also commented at some point where he began to notice michael wearing makeup for interviews. i can see where a young artist being put in the middle of all those seasoned performers would begin to be impressed by the way this one does this or that and begin to take on some ideas. and as far as change it could be what some saw was his acquiring a bit of an ego , that they didn't like. <br /><br />was he even anywhere near sony around the time of bad? that throwing stones to hide your hand line is interesting. ummm when asked about bad and he relates the story behind it , is he speaking of both the song and the video or just the video?
<br /><br />We should remember <br /><br />a) Michaels' rant about Sony, his song BAD he sang (you're throwing stones to hide your hands) and that one goes far back BEFORE any alligations<br />b) La Toya remindung us to look at the left hand instead of at the right hand (the trial) that is right in front of us (something like that). <br /><br />By looking at this whole fiasco I have strong doubts AEG is the bad guy. They (AEG and Lady Katherine & Kids) are used. By Sony. Through the lawsuit filed by Sony affiliated lawyers by using Lady Katherine & MJ3 as the plaintiffs AGAINST AEG they try to sabotage AEG and therefore try to hide their hands. That way Sony stays in the background and let the public shred AEG apart when it's Sony that should be shredded. It's the same pattern they already used on Michael, is it not? Set someone/a company/anyone/anything up and have 'em publicly scrutinized. And here some of you are following Sony's script. Michael knew what he wrote and sang about. Why else did Michael openly 'complain' about Sony? He knew all along that Sony used him forever and a day. (only about Mr. Branca:Michael knew Mr. Branca was Sony affiliated - amongst others. JB negotiated the deal for SONY to buy the footage from AEG and produce TII (big bucks). He was not trusted by Michael any longer. He was never re-hired. He produced a phoney will, never produced a valid contract that stated he was rehired). All for Sony. This suit is about money and was filed through lawyers which I am certain they are Sony payed. I think we can be save by saying, Lady Katherine would never file such a lawsuit about money as in her eyes it's not about money but about her son. So, my conclusion is that Lady Katherine knows too much and is threatened by Sony thus pushed into publically go against AEG, who itself also is just the fall guy like Murray. <br /><br />And Wade? I bet he's Sony payed ... Joe is completely correct in assuming that there IS a big fat wallet financing Wade. And Sonys' wallet is definitely much bigger than AEGs. <br />
<br /><br />Wow! I didn't even think about the Sony angle. :icon_e_surprised: <br /><br />That would make perfect sense. <br /><br />It would just be assumed AEG was behind Wade coming out, when it really could be Sony behind it. :animal0017:<br /><br /><br />....the plot thickens :ghsdf:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
its really interesting all this wade talk really it is, i just wanna point out one more thing from the article<br /><br />"Joe was at the airport in L.A. Wednesday when we asked about Wade's claims against the MJ estate -- that the singer sexually abused him as a child for years -- but Joe doesn't buy Wade's story for a second ... and he's not placing the blame entirely on Wade's shoulders either.<br /><br />Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/23/joe-jackson-wade-robson-michael-lie-child-abuse/#ixzz2UGH7ZQru <br />Visit the TMZ Store: http://tmzstore.com "<br /><br /><br />i mean i know its not THAT big of a deal because it is a very busy, important airway in the United States but, it is getting very close to June 25th. Wouldnt this be the same airport as Jermaine spoke of, him and Michael leaving together? <br /><br />Maybe Joe picked him up?! haha just using my imagination<br /><br />it says Wednesday, which isnt too odd because June 25th was a Thursday this year it will be a Tuesday. Not much there but something to look at maybe?<br /><br />But more importantly this "airport clue" and im using the word "clue" loosely here, was posted on May 23, 2013, and with the numerology here<br /><br />5+2+3+2+0+1+3 = 16 <br /><br />And as you well know........ 1+6= 7<br /><br />Just a few things I noticed in that article<br /><br />
Snoopy71, That is pretty interesting. Just like LaToya stated following the money trail. Now the lawsuit for the wrongful death is in the billions. From what it is being stated this would be how much Michael would have generate from the concerts.(Guys that is a lot of money, billions of dollars). Now what we all need to do is take a look at the big picture. SONY the corporation. Here a couple of thoughts for you guys:<br />Sony<br />1. What is going on financially with Sony the Corporation? (Not just with what is going on with Michael)<br />2. What is big news that is circulating about Sony the Corporation? <br />3. What type of businessman are running the Sony Corporation? ( I mean the entire corporation)<br /><br />If you do not do anything else. Please do a little research on the three questions that I have posted here.<br /><br /><br />You may find your result pretty interesting and astounding.<br /><br />What might being saving SONY the corporation is Michael.
Sandal your post is very interesting. I searched all over the net, I found a few videos but since I don't have sound on my laptop, I couldn't watch any of them.<br />This is what I found on Wiki:<br /><br />Sony Music Entertainment<br />Main article: Sony Music Entertainment<br /><br />Sony Music Entertainment (also known as SME or Sony Music) is the second-largest global recorded music company of the "big four" record companies and is controlled by Sony Corporation of America, the United States subsidiary of Japan's Sony Corporation. The company owns full or partial rights to the catalogues of Michael Jackson, The Beatles, Usher, Eminem, Akon, and others.<br /><br />In one of its largest-ever acquisitions, Sony purchased CBS Record Group in 1987 for US$2 billion. In the process, Sony gained the rights to the catalogue of Michael Jackson, considered by the Guinness Book of World Records to be the most successful entertainer of all time. The acquisition of CBS Records provided the foundation for the formation of Sony Music Entertainment, which Sony established in 1991.<br /><br />In 2004, Sony entered into a joint venture with Bertelsmann AG, merging Sony Music Entertainment with Bertelsmann Music Group to create Sony BMG. In 2005, Sony BMG faced a copy protection scandal, because its music CDs had installed a controversial feature on users' computers[51] that was posing a security risk to affected users.[citation needed] In 2007, the company acquired Famous Music for US$370 million, gaining the rights to the catalogues of Eminem and Akon, among others.<br /><br />Sony bought out Bertelsmann's share in the company and formed a new Sony Music Entertainment in 2008. Since then, the company has undergone management changes.<br />Sony/ATV Music Publishing<br />Main article: Sony/ATV Music Publishing<br /><br />Besides its record label, Sony operates other music businesses. In 1995, Sony purchased a 50% stake in ATV Music Publishing, forming Sony/ATV Music Publishing. At the time, the publishing company was the second-largest of its kind in the world. The company owns much of the publishing rights to the catalogue of The Beatles. Sony purchased digital music recognition company Gracenote for US$260 million in 2008.<br /><br />If you have more info, can you kindly post it here. Thanks in advance.
Faithad777, that is no problem at all. I would first look up any news regarding the FINANCE of The Sony Corporation, not what the general public is saying. We have to put on our thinking caps as a businessperson. Example: If you were looking to buy a business from someone or invest in a company you would want to know about their Financial History, and then you will determine if you want to invest in that business. We have to always remember Michael is a SHREWD businessman. That is why I underlined financially for Sony Corporation.<br /><br />FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL. THE FINANCE OF SONY THE CORPORATION<br /><br />Also remember, Michael was taking his half of the business/ the Music entertainment portion.<br /><br />Hopefully this helps, here is the link.<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22623569
TS implied in some of his posts that Sony at least some individuals, and MJ were working together in some respects. And at his 45th birthday party, MJ said it was specifically Tommy Mattola that needed to be gone to celebrate.<br />
Sandal8259, thanks for the link. Michael had a lot of problems with Mattola during the time his invincible album came out, in 2001. I believe Sony was behind the allegations that hurt Michael to the core both in 1993 and 2003. I also believe Branca, Sony and AEG made and are still making a lot of money after 6/25, off of Michael's name and brand. I read somewhere that it was said that "since Michael was not alive to spend any of HIS hard earned money, the estate made even more money than they would have when Michael was "alive"." Like Latoya said, Michael was worth more dead than alive.<br /><br />I also believe that while "they" are using Michael's name to make money, Michael with the help of his family is using them too , something like "I scratch your back, you scratch mine".
Sorry, MJonmind, I was typing my reply and I didn't see your post until after I replied. I agree with what you said. Michael mentioned in one of his interviews that it was only Tommy who was abusing artists not Sony as a corporation. <br />I wanted to add that I believe Michael is working very hard at getting back the years that were stolen from him, he is trying to catch up with all that he missed all those years including being involved in film.
Faithad777, would this be the "40 billion" of compensation for defamation of character. The question that I have to ask is this. If Katherine wins the case against AEG what will happen next. Now is that the 40 billion that Sony the Corporation owes Michael for all those years. Remember Michael stated that he made I believe billions of dollars for Sony. Now technically Michael cannot sue himself, but he can put in a lawsuit with other third parties that he think that is involved. And AEG is the second largest concert promoter besides Live Nation. Let's just say that AEG and Sony has been working together for years regarding concert promoting and double-dipping from Michael to help with their financials(Sony). Was Sony still trying to get Michael's catalogue knowing that the Electronics/Gaming/Retail side of their corporation has not been doing very well in the pass years and that their Music/Entertainment business was doing very well and that was the only thing that was keeping break even. As I said before, please read what Mr. Daniel Loeb thoughts are. He is a very important person to the Sony Corporation. http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/who-is-daniel-loeb-and-what-does-he-want-with-sony/
Shawn trell testified in the trial<br /><br />"We had come to an agreement on several facets, for several years with MJ and what we wanted, nothing more, is that such an agreement were successful," said trell."The company of Michael Jackson, in the first instance, it would be responsible for paying the money. Then MJ had to guarantee.<br /><br />Trell said that if MJ had some royalties, AEG would have rights on them to recover the money invested, but could not have an interest in his musical catalog. ( They could charge the rights deriving from the catalog, but not to stay with this.<br /><br />Up to there could reach,.. SONY won't allow it.
Sandal8259, very interesting read about Daniel Loeb. I believe Michael is the reason that Sony's music/entertainment business is doing as well as it is. We all know that Michael is a genius when it comes to business. It is ancient history that Michael's problems at Sony started with Mottola and he was later let go by Sony execs. I believe Michael is playing by "their" rules now, in order to get back everything that he lost because of them. Also, the saying "keep your friends close but your enemies closer" applies very well here. As far as what will happen when and if Katherine and Michael's children win this court case, I feel that all of this is not about the outcome of the trial, but rather about the process and what will be revealed during the trial.
<br />This is insane ! ! ! <br /><br />I don't know what to believe!<br /><br />Is this normal?!!<br />
<br /><br />Diggyon cool down, I am not sure of anything concerning WR yet but what some are saying does make all sense, what if Michael is using this story to clear his name once and for all, would you be happy or not?? I think you would support Michael to pull this story off for the sake of him, right?? so we have to be positive, support Michael although that sometimes meant to go through a bad time, just keep watching and see how the whole story finally unfolds, I know this story it's hard and you are very sensitive, love you diggyon.
<br />Believe me sweet, I don't know what to believe anymore! I'm lost...<br />
<br /><br />I know diggyon I know, our love for Michael is so huge that we suffer if he suffers and this goes to Mother Katherine too the person who gave him birth.
I believe she's having some rough time by now! This whole circus, you know.... seeing her own son ending his career this way... May be we are entertained but I'm sure she's is not. I think she needs all our support right now.
<br />Believe me sweet, I don't know what to believe anymore! I'm lost...<br />
<br /><br />Not necessarily a reflection on you. Nor a negative thing. This is one of MJ's trademark motives. Create confusion.<br /><br />I many times feel like you are feeling. We all do. Anyone that says they aren't confused at times, is lying.
Well, I have to admit that I am entertained! But sometimes I hate this feeling! How can anyone of us talk about the hoax in public without being sure of any fact at all!!
<br />Well, I have to admit that I am entertained! But sometimes I hate this feeling! How can anyone of us talk about the hoax in public without being sure of any fact at all!!<br />
<br /><br />Well Diggy, your comment struck a chord in me. I don't talk about the hoax to anyone anymore. In the early days I just got 'the look', you know the one that says this is a crazy woman, usually followed by a mocking 'and is Elvis alive too!'! Every 'fact' you care to mention does sound crazy on its own, when spoken out loud; you need the accumulation of lots of weird stuff to begin to see the hoax as a possibility, so short of cornering someone for hours of 'crazy talk', it's really a non starter in my experience! And, like you say, we're not sure of anything anyway, so all we can hope to do (if we still have the stomach for it, which I admit I don't) is point out the weird stuff that doesn't add up and leave others to come to their own conclusions. Somehow I feel :icon_e_sad: and alone now.
[size=12pt]MJ ESTATE<br />Wade Robson Is<br />FULL OF IT![/size]<br /><br /><br /><br />Lawyers for the Michael Jackson Estate are scoffing at Wade Robson's creditor's claim ... saying it's absurd he had no idea for nearly 4 YEARS that the Estate was being probated and there was a deadline for filing claims.<br /><br />Attorney Howard Weitzman wrote incredulously ... the MJ probate is one of the most high-profile ever, and Wade is very connected in the music biz. So, Weitzman asks, how could it be he had no idea there was a deadline of 4 months after the Estate proceedings began to file a creditor's claim?<br /><br />TMZ broke the story ... Robson has filed the claim, alleging MJ molested him for 7 years -- between the ages of 7 and 14. <br /><br />Weitzman is asking the judge to reject Robson's claim on grounds it was filed ridiculously late.<br /><br />http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/05/wade-robson-michael-jackson-estate-creditors-claim-sexual-molestation/
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