well i can actually see that this may have some link with michael. now im not directly comparing "jesus" and michael , but they have a similarity in their lives. now "jesus" was ridiculed, bashed, betrayed by those close to him, crucified and well mis understood, they didnt realise until he died, what he was.
now michael has had a similar-ish story, he was mocked by the way he looked, bashed for his actions, the way he behaved. betrayed and sold-out to for money and crucified by the media, and most of all mis-understood, nobody understood him and that when he "died" , well the world started to appreciate him.
i hope i make some sense and that you understand that there is some links that can be made between the two. and as far as religious views would concern me , im on the fence
There is equality of treatment on this forum. This is indeed in the other hoaxes section so it doesn't have to do anything with MJ.
This board is also to discuss other things in life, to question things. There is not yet a reason to close this thread.
We are Dutch and in The Netherlands anything can be discussed, also religion. I myself think the church is a bunch of liars in expensive dresses and too much gold, but that doesn't mean I disrespect religion, I am questioning the intentions of those that are profiting from people's beliefs.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
"But I will never stop helping and loving people the way Jesus said to". mj
"It's a complete lie, why do people buy these papers? It's not the truth I'm here to say. You know, don't judge a person, do not pass judgement, unless you have talked to them one on one. I don't care what the story is, do not judge them because it is a lie" mj
"When I see children, I see the face of God. That's why I love them so much. That's what I see. " mj
I'm trying to imitate Jesus in the fact that he said to be like children, to love children, to be as pure as children and to make yourself as innocent and to see the world through eyes of wonderment and the whole magical quality of it all.
Michael Jackson
Oprah Winfrey interview 1993.
<!-- m -->http://www.allgreatquotes.com/michael_j ... tes2.shtml<!-- m -->
"It doesn't matter with blood or race or creed or color. Love is love and it breaks all boundaries and you just see it right away." mj
"I think if I sat in a room with [Jesus] I would follow him everywhere he went, feel his presence. I would behave just like a child, like Gandhi." mj
"I love the Sermon on the Mount. I love the story when the Apostles are arguing amongst themselves about who is the greatest and Jesus says, 'Unless you humble yourself like this little child, be childlike. . . .' I thought that was the perfect thing to say. Return to innocence." mj
"Somebody had to create [the universe], a designer had to create this. From our lashes to our mouths to our digestive system." mj
"We are the only species who destroys their own."mj
"Believing in children [gave me the strength to persevere]. Believing in young people. Believing that God gave me this for a reason, to help my babies." mj
"I believe that there are some good people in the world and I do believe there is a God." mj
"I was taught to be Biblical: 'Forgive them for they know not what they do.'" mj
"Yeah, I'd rather suffer [than cause others to suffer]. I hate to say it because I have suffered a lot. God, have I suffered. But I would rather suffer." mj
Michael Jackson: Quotes on his relationship with God
July 8, 2009 — Kedar
“No matter what, the most powerful thing in the world is the human mind and prayer, and belief in yourself and confidence and perseverance. No matter how many times you do it, you do it again until it’s right. And always believe in yourself. And not matter who’s around you that is being negative or thrusting negative energy at you, totally block it off. Because whatever you believe, you become.”
Michael Jackson spoke these words in an Online Audio Chat sponsored by GetMusic.com and RollingStone.com on October 26, 2001 with Anthony DeCurtis as the moderator.
<!-- m -->http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/ ... el_Jackson<!-- m --> "In a world filled with hate, we must still dare to hope. In a world filled with anger, we must still dare to comfort. In a world filled with despair, we must still dare to dream. And in a world filled with distrust, we must still dare to believe.
"
— Michael Jackson
"Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons."
— Michael Jackson
"Hope is such a beautiful word, but it often seems very fragile. Life is still being needlessly hurt and destroyed."
— Michael Jackson
"Sometimes the heart is so heavy that we turn away from it and forget that its throbbing is the wisest message of life, a wordless message that says, "Live, be, move, rejoice -- you are alive!" Without the heart's wise rhythm, we could not exist."
— Michael Jackson (Dancing the Dream)
"But for me the sweetest contact with God has no form. I close my eyes, look within, and enter a deep soft silence. The infinity of God's creation embraces me."
— Michael Jackson (Dancing the Dream)
"We have to heal our wounded world. The chaos, despair, and senseless destruction we see today are a result of the alienation that people feel from each other and their environment."
— Michael Jackson
"Consciousness expresses itself through creation. This world we live in is the dance of the Creator. Dancers come and go in the twinkling of an eye but the dance lives on. On many an occasion when I am dancing, I have felt touched by something sacred. In those moments, I felt my spirit soar and become one with everything that exists. I become the stars and the moon. I become the lover and the beloved. I become the victor and the vanquished. I become the master and the slave. I become the singer and the song. I become the knower and the known. I keep on dancing and then, it is the eternal dance of creation. The Creator and the creation merge into one wholeness of joy. I keep on dancing — until there is only ... the dance."
— Michael Jackson (Dancing the Dream)
bigotry takes many forms and was not supported by mj
ML King said
"Jesus Christ was an extremist for love, truth and goodness."
who among us would go behind those words and say that he hoaxed his own death
I'm sorry, but this is a neverending discussion.
I am not religious, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in anything.
I just have doubts about a lot of stuff, certainly when it comes to the bible. Let me start with the part that makes me go hmmmm:
Adam and Eve were the first people on earth. They get 2 kids, both boys. One kills the other and has kids. Please answer me this question: Who had his kids? You get what I mean?
I think the bible has got a few good points and life lessons, but there is a lot of hypocracy in it as well. Don't forget it was written by men. If you don't believe anything what is written in the media, why just believe everything written in the bible? That doesn't make sense at all to me. They didn't have tabloids back then, does that mean people were always telling the truth? i don't think so.
I just use the good stuff from the bible in life, and I will take stories like mentioned above with a grain af salt....a whole bottle actually.
And I think that if Jesus would have a good reason, like Mike has too, he could have hoaxed his death. Why not? Is Mike a bad person for hoaxing his death? He is not doing it only for himself remember?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Uhm no, this topic is allowed because we allow it. As I said before: this board is to discuss and question anything, not only MJ.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Uhm no, this topic is allowed because we allow it. As I said before: this board is to discuss and question anything, not only MJ.
sorry i thought this was a mj death hoax investigation
so can i then discuss the price differences between game platforms then (no).
it is and will always be the case - which i accept that the topic is allowed because you allow it
now i dont mean this in any rude way, just incase it sounds that way, but how many other forums dedicated to specific topics, e.g. im a wrestling fan ( i know <!-- s --><!-- s --> ) and im on a wrestling forum, and its not all wrestling talk, you can talk about other general topics if they are posted in the right sections like. nothing to get heated about
Uhm no, this topic is allowed because we allow it. As I said before: this board is to discuss and question anything, not only MJ.
sorry i thought this was a mj death hoax investigation
so can i then discuss the price differences between game platforms then (no).
it is and will always be the case - which i accept that the topic is allowed because you allow it
Yes it is, but this was posted in OTHER hoaxes (not MJ's)
And if you want to talk about price differences, by my guest at the general discussion...
I don't really get your problem. But then again, it seems you just have a problem with me and not the topics.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
okay ill post a games discussion in general talk - how long before that gets locked - 2 secs
but i am concerned about bigotry
but if you guys want to blamspheme thats your business
i am going to leave you to it, it seems that you do not take into account the feelings and religion of others
Yes we do, maybe you didn't read what I actually wrote. Now stop the drama and skip the topic.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I think freedom of speech trumps/takes precedence over some people's religious sensitivities. By the very nature of the beast it has to be that way. There is always going to be someone who is offended. Look at the Danish newspaper cartoons overreaction. These religious fanatics need to lighten up and get a sense of perspective.
To any of you that are offended by this topic, I've said it twice and I warned you from the beginnig, just leave this topic and leave those of us that exercise our free will to think for ourselves alone. I don't see where anybody is being biggoted in this topic. I am not personally attacking anybody's race. If you notice the religion I did happen to criticize is my own so back off. Nobody is forcing you to come onto this thread.
I'm sick and tired of people always trying to drown out the truth or alternative explanations to life's questions. I'm tired of believing everything that I am TOLD to believe. It is painfully obvious that many things are not right in this world and it's about damn time that EVERYONE starts asking questions and looking for real answers. Nothing is off limits as far as I'm concerned, including religion, the bible, and even the TRUE origins and life of Jesus Christ.
I don't know why some of you are on this site, but it reeks of hypocrisy for some of you to believe that Michael Jackson may still be alive, yet you criticize those of us that entertain the possibility that a man that lived over 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ, may have survived his crucifixion.
well i can actually see that this may have some link with michael. now im not directly comparing "jesus" and michael , but they have a similarity in their lives. now "jesus" was ridiculed, bashed, betrayed by those close to him, crucified and well mis understood, they didnt realise until he died, what he was.
now michael has had a similar-ish story, he was mocked by the way he looked, bashed for his actions, the way he behaved. betrayed and sold-out to for money and crucified by the media, and most of all mis-understood, nobody understood him and that when he "died" , well the world started to appreciate him.
i hope i make some sense and that you understand that there is some links that can be made between the two. and as far as religious views would concern me , im on the fence
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. It was discussed in MJHD long ago, and maybe here too, that there are many parallels between the lives of Michael and Jesus Christ, most of which you mentioned. I think it's perfectly okay to note those similarities, I mean, what's wrong with comparing Jesus Christ with another human being. It would be especially interesting (for lack of a better word) if Jesus did not in fact die the way we have been taught to believe.
Jesus dind't fake his death , He was taken Off this earth by God ... I think it's not a good idea to post smth so controversial like that =/ honestly
Yes it is a controversial topic for many people. But for others, like me, it's about time that controversial topics are discussed in earnest. We've been told that the dark ages took place during the middle ages, but we're still in the dark ages when intelligent people refuse to think for themselves or ponder difficult questions.
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I respect that--bye.
now michael has had a similar-ish story, he was mocked by the way he looked, bashed for his actions, the way he behaved. betrayed and sold-out to for money and crucified by the media, and most of all mis-understood, nobody understood him and that when he "died" , well the world started to appreciate him.
i hope i make some sense and that you understand that there is some links that can be made between the two. and as far as religious views would concern me , im on the fence
This board is also to discuss other things in life, to question things. There is not yet a reason to close this thread.
We are Dutch and in The Netherlands anything can be discussed, also religion. I myself think the church is a bunch of liars in expensive dresses and too much gold, but that doesn't mean I disrespect religion, I am questioning the intentions of those that are profiting from people's beliefs.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.""But I will never stop helping and loving people the way Jesus said to". mj
"It's a complete lie, why do people buy these papers? It's not the truth I'm here to say. You know, don't judge a person, do not pass judgement, unless you have talked to them one on one. I don't care what the story is, do not judge them because it is a lie" mj
"When I see children, I see the face of God. That's why I love them so much. That's what I see. " mj
I'm trying to imitate Jesus in the fact that he said to be like children, to love children, to be as pure as children and to make yourself as innocent and to see the world through eyes of wonderment and the whole magical quality of it all.
Michael Jackson
Oprah Winfrey interview 1993.
<!-- m -->http://www.allgreatquotes.com/michael_j ... tes2.shtml<!-- m -->
"It doesn't matter with blood or race or creed or color. Love is love and it breaks all boundaries and you just see it right away." mj
"I think if I sat in a room with [Jesus] I would follow him everywhere he went, feel his presence. I would behave just like a child, like Gandhi." mj
"I love the Sermon on the Mount. I love the story when the Apostles are arguing amongst themselves about who is the greatest and Jesus says, 'Unless you humble yourself like this little child, be childlike. . . .' I thought that was the perfect thing to say. Return to innocence." mj
"Somebody had to create [the universe], a designer had to create this. From our lashes to our mouths to our digestive system." mj
"We are the only species who destroys their own."mj
"Believing in children [gave me the strength to persevere]. Believing in young people. Believing that God gave me this for a reason, to help my babies." mj
"I believe that there are some good people in the world and I do believe there is a God." mj
"I was taught to be Biblical: 'Forgive them for they know not what they do.'" mj
"Yeah, I'd rather suffer [than cause others to suffer]. I hate to say it because I have suffered a lot. God, have I suffered. But I would rather suffer." mj
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Michael Jackson: Quotes on his relationship with God
July 8, 2009 — Kedar
“No matter what, the most powerful thing in the world is the human mind and prayer, and belief in yourself and confidence and perseverance. No matter how many times you do it, you do it again until it’s right. And always believe in yourself. And not matter who’s around you that is being negative or thrusting negative energy at you, totally block it off. Because whatever you believe, you become.”
Michael Jackson spoke these words in an Online Audio Chat sponsored by GetMusic.com and RollingStone.com on October 26, 2001 with Anthony DeCurtis as the moderator.
<!-- m -->http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/ ... el_Jackson<!-- m -->
"In a world filled with hate, we must still dare to hope. In a world filled with anger, we must still dare to comfort. In a world filled with despair, we must still dare to dream. And in a world filled with distrust, we must still dare to believe.
"
— Michael Jackson
"Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons."
— Michael Jackson
"Hope is such a beautiful word, but it often seems very fragile. Life is still being needlessly hurt and destroyed."
— Michael Jackson
"Sometimes the heart is so heavy that we turn away from it and forget that its throbbing is the wisest message of life, a wordless message that says, "Live, be, move, rejoice -- you are alive!" Without the heart's wise rhythm, we could not exist."
— Michael Jackson (Dancing the Dream)
"But for me the sweetest contact with God has no form. I close my eyes, look within, and enter a deep soft silence. The infinity of God's creation embraces me."
— Michael Jackson (Dancing the Dream)
"We have to heal our wounded world. The chaos, despair, and senseless destruction we see today are a result of the alienation that people feel from each other and their environment."
— Michael Jackson
"Consciousness expresses itself through creation. This world we live in is the dance of the Creator. Dancers come and go in the twinkling of an eye but the dance lives on. On many an occasion when I am dancing, I have felt touched by something sacred. In those moments, I felt my spirit soar and become one with everything that exists. I become the stars and the moon. I become the lover and the beloved. I become the victor and the vanquished. I become the master and the slave. I become the singer and the song. I become the knower and the known. I keep on dancing and then, it is the eternal dance of creation. The Creator and the creation merge into one wholeness of joy. I keep on dancing — until there is only ... the dance."
— Michael Jackson (Dancing the Dream)
bigotry takes many forms and was not supported by mj
just my view
"Jesus Christ was an extremist for love, truth and goodness."
who among us would go behind those words and say that he hoaxed his own death
I'm sorry, but this is a neverending discussion.
I am not religious, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in anything.
I just have doubts about a lot of stuff, certainly when it comes to the bible. Let me start with the part that makes me go hmmmm:
Adam and Eve were the first people on earth. They get 2 kids, both boys. One kills the other and has kids. Please answer me this question: Who had his kids? You get what I mean?
I think the bible has got a few good points and life lessons, but there is a lot of hypocracy in it as well. Don't forget it was written by men. If you don't believe anything what is written in the media, why just believe everything written in the bible? That doesn't make sense at all to me. They didn't have tabloids back then, does that mean people were always telling the truth? i don't think so.
I just use the good stuff from the bible in life, and I will take stories like mentioned above with a grain af salt....a whole bottle actually.
And I think that if Jesus would have a good reason, like Mike has too, he could have hoaxed his death. Why not? Is Mike a bad person for hoaxing his death? He is not doing it only for himself remember?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.""For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."sorry i thought this was a mj death hoax investigation
so can i then discuss the price differences between game platforms then (no).
it is and will always be the case - which i accept that the topic is allowed because you allow it
now i dont mean this in any rude way, just incase it sounds that way, but how many other forums dedicated to specific topics, e.g. im a wrestling fan ( i know <!-- s
but i am concerned about bigotry
but if you guys want to blamspheme thats your business
i am going to leave you to it, it seems that you do not take into account the feelings and religion of others
Yes it is, but this was posted in OTHER hoaxes (not MJ's)
And if you want to talk about price differences, by my guest at the general discussion...
I don't really get your problem. But then again, it seems you just have a problem with me and not the topics.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Yes we do, maybe you didn't read what I actually wrote. Now stop the drama and skip the topic.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I'm sick and tired of people always trying to drown out the truth or alternative explanations to life's questions. I'm tired of believing everything that I am TOLD to believe. It is painfully obvious that many things are not right in this world and it's about damn time that EVERYONE starts asking questions and looking for real answers. Nothing is off limits as far as I'm concerned, including religion, the bible, and even the TRUE origins and life of Jesus Christ.
I don't know why some of you are on this site, but it reeks of hypocrisy for some of you to believe that Michael Jackson may still be alive, yet you criticize those of us that entertain the possibility that a man that lived over 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ, may have survived his crucifixion.
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. It was discussed in MJHD long ago, and maybe here too, that there are many parallels between the lives of Michael and Jesus Christ, most of which you mentioned. I think it's perfectly okay to note those similarities, I mean, what's wrong with comparing Jesus Christ with another human being. It would be especially interesting (for lack of a better word) if Jesus did not in fact die the way we have been taught to believe.
Yes it is a controversial topic for many people. But for others, like me, it's about time that controversial topics are discussed in earnest. We've been told that the dark ages took place during the middle ages, but we're still in the dark ages when intelligent people refuse to think for themselves or ponder difficult questions.