Brainstorm Session - Building a theory
Souza
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bec
RK
paula-c
AllInGoodTime
Sinderella
~Souza~
Purpose is to built a strong theory by presenting our own, and having it challenged by the others. I made it private so that we can stay on topic and not have emotionally based arguments in the thread, what will make it hard to oversee things. I think we should use this thread to post the subjects we need to cover and connect.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
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ps. should we do it TS style and do all one thread?
or perhaps have a thread mirroring the redirect.
that would be good.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I think one should begin posting a short, coherent theory, with as much included as possible so that others can challenge, debunk or add stuff to it. After a few days, I will close the thread and post the updated version in a new one, and we do it all over again, until our brains are the size of a peanut. <!-- s
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."One theory idea would work but I feel the most productive way to this is to critical think out each item in the hoax and debate its merit before moving on.
So as in my last TIAI post lets start there.
Question #1
Knowing what we know or think we do....
Could MJ pull off every aspect that we have seen with this hoax alone?
In essence this the beginning point as to where we are now. Discounting numerology, predictions and messages in the clouds, could he do it all, successfully without help?
Once we have come to a conculsion on this question we move to next and build "our" theory.
When the answer of yes and no is decided, we move to next question of (say 911 call, ambo , body etc) Tho holding strong to the question we have already answered. Basically if we decide MJ needed help or not that outcome is what we work with going forward. And as we build this "theory" each and every question we agree upon becomes "truth". I believe in the end if we stick to the answers we decide we would/wil be close to what really happened.
I will post that in a new thread to keep it clear and so we can find everything easily later on.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."So in light of that, no, it's not realistically possible that he did this alone, ie without help from the authorities.
So ok, we have FBI. Which of all the govt departments, are most likely because they override everyone else. Well, except the CIA, but they're more international, working intelligence and all, so would be unlikely have an interest or stake in anything domestic like the death hoax (which is more or less, for all practical purposes, pretty isolated to the US).
So ok, so the FBI is involved. They would provide the means to keep it on the down low and prevent questions from being asked by any unaware but key players, example: helicopter guys.
So with the FBI on board, who does MJ really have to fool with the charade on 6/25? The media and the public. The media will fool the public on their own so really, all he has to fool is the media.
So if only the media need to be fooled, why bother with a real corpse? Or even a dummy for that matter.
But we saw something on 6/25 being loaded into and unloaded out of a helicopter.
So what was it? Doesn't matter really since we know it wasn't a dead MJ. And with the FBI on board, it could have been anything... it just had to look like a body from 100 yards away on camera.
That being said, if only the media needed to be fooled, and it's certainly not normal or usual to transport a body in a sheet, why did they decline the use of a body bag which would seem standard? Why draw attention this way?
Original theories were because Michael needed to breathe. I think there is a great deal of merit to our original work and this has always stuck in my mind.
Ps. my bad, I jumped in too fast. I can repost this elsewhere if you start another thread.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Michael need not have all those contacts they were responsible for making the whole process from the arrival of paramedics (someone saw that?), Transportation to the coroner, the rest, the dates (I can not forget the numbers) is the work of Michael.
They did not have a minimum of curiosity, so I wonder if these tapes actually existed
Wait explain. I'm intrigued.
(do you mean like how Bashir had tons of footage to chose from and sift through yet chose a combination of clever editing of a very small piece of footage to paint a twisted picture?)
It was only a matter of a few weeks ago and the majority of us wouldn't agree that FBI were involved, but the general concensus now is that they play a major role because we were introduced or reintroduced to the idea of need for their involvment and voila...our theories have expanded and changed to incorporate this. Somewhat of a floating foundation we are working with here as we get tweeked into line or rabbit hole.
Since the beginning of the hoax, I have been waiting for the surveilance tapes to surface as they contain the answers to what really went down, but instead we have been presented with only glimpses and flashes [ staged photos and videos] accompanied by an ongoing media campaign to malign and accuse Dr Murray and tales of police incompetence in erasing tapes. Of the bashir documentary, Michael said bashir used only material supporting negative views in the final version. Somewhat like the image presented of DR Murray. Enter the rebuttal or Take 2- the footage you were never mean't to see. Two docos both compiled from the same source material to prove how easily media can distort 'fact' to suit any agenda. Part of the rebuttal video was not aired because videographer Hamid Moslehi refused to hand it over owing to a financial dispute with Michael [so we've been told]. The footage was found in a police search of Hamid's house in Nov'03 and it showed accusers the Arviso family praising Michael. When this was used in the trial in '05 courtroom observers thought the video did more harm than good to the prosecution. checkmate.
I have no doubt that there is a tape in Michael's possession that shows exactly what went down that day and the other day. It is the proof, the insurance policy, and the evidence.
Please bare with my shortcomings as an investigator. I know I am not good with logic as gut reactions and intuition are what speak loudest to me.
Don't doubt yorself. Do you remember when you would take a test in school or whatever. You get a question that is difficult. You pick an answer with your gut then debate why others are wrong. When you can't find a reason to overrule your gut you keep your first choice. You never change your answers! It is usually right.
As applied to this, I think whomever expects that we would go with our gut and not challenge ourselves to look elsewhere. We are a lazy species and always perfer things "handed" to us rather than work for it. Your "gut" maybe right, but there is a reason it is. That is what we must find.
Pep talk over.....
post of the wife of Jeff Mills, Captain of the LAFD, who allegedly attended the Carolwood emergency call.
It is a post from the same 26J which gives details of the event without that Michael appoint post disappeared some time later
According to this, Jeff was one of the paramedics who was in the ambulance... is mentioned in the the preliminary stage?
day 29:
Richard Senneff (first paramedic on entering the room)
Martin Blount (fifth paramedic in entering the room)
Segúne that there were at least 5 and I see it does not mention any Jeff Mills
It is possible that the paramedics who attended the call actually and that declared in the view directly are not the same?
Would it not be logical that the captain of the team had been called to testify?
Jeffrey Mills is now, a possible witness for trial.
on the website of his wife, their children study also at UCLA.
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Jeff is removed the next day (what a coincidence!) and that by addressing the emergency of CAROLWOOD of MICHAEL received A commemoration do?? and that by his modesty never had mentioned to her do??
What is mean by thing that needs a break with what happened last week, they say it as if it would have led him throughout the week the matter, when it is assumed that Jeff was only in the subject as an hour.
and finally published this animation saying is she dancing thriller:
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