You must see a bigger plan, then you´ll see that the building is there but not so near. I think it is just diffrerent angle.
I second that, we had a discussion about it back then on MJHD and compared the footage - the buildings were really there, but a good distance away from what it seems. So it´s most likely the camera angle and/or the slope of the area.
The camera was in the back when this was shot. They had to use a telephoto lens to film it. When using this type of lens, you will get image compression. This will make the background appear closer than it really is.
As far as the paths and the trees goes, this type of lens will not add paths or trees!
Okay, you guys. Yes, there probably was two berials. So, look. If you do the arial view of the memorial, and the one that is close to the ground, you see that in the one close to the ground, there are roads on the background, and in the arial, there are only trees and a small path. Plus, in the screenshot where the camera is pointing close to the ground, it seems like the entire location of the memorial is up. What I mean, is that with the background, it seems slanted, and you can't see the bottoms of the trunks of the various trees. It's as if the private memorial was held on a raised platform. Also, you can see that there is a big lighting 'thingy' by the background. That is the same lighting that was in the green screen room in TII. So, the background is obviously fake, and this was greenscreened. Get what I mean?
As far as the paths and the trees goes, this type of lens will not add paths or trees!
Em
I posted this on another thread to correct myself, I would like to correct myself here as well:
I must correct my last post about the roads and trees not being there in the aerial pic, but in the ground footage.
Aerial shot:
Ground shot:
I went to FL this past weekend and saw for myself. It is again types of lenses and angles that were used that make it look different.
Keep in mind, I am a photographer:
The road where the funeral was held is next to a hillside. We see the hillside in the aerial view, bit we do not see the grade of it, the steepness, it appears to be flat.. In the ground view, we do not see the hill at all because it drops down. We only see the roads and trees in the distance past the hillside. They seem closer than they really are, due to the compression of the telephoto lens that was used. This kind of lens makes background objects appear closer than they really are. Hence, the mystery of the roads and trees. Also the arches in the background behind the coffin, the same thing, compression.
^^^The disappearing tree baffles me more than the trash cans...maybe they wanted trash containers so people won't be throwing their Kleenex on the ground, making the grounds look trashed and littered... I don't know, but what I'm saying is that the trash cans can be explained....not a tree that keeps coming and going.....
Really? They need that many trash cans for tissue? It's only 200 guests. They must have thought these guests would be crying a river. As precise as the Jacksons were with every detail it's highly unlikely that they would have gotten their film home to watch and went "darn! we forgot to move the trashcans out of camera view!" <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> No, I think there must be more to it. The tree is also a very confusing - even if it was the shot of the camera.
Can't you see the pictures you are talking about(with rows missing) are clearly distorted. Everything is crooked in them.
They are also magnified more, so the distortion is magnified more as well.
i'm not sure but it just went through my mind... if the helicopter footage were from the "media"... why can't it be made my themselves? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
why is this whole 'funeral' outside in the first place? i have never in my life been at a funeral service that takes place outside. it is either in a church, cathedral or some building for that purpose on the cemetery grounds. what happened there? they didn't have a free capacity for michael jackson's funeral? no filming allowed in there for just a show? maybe someone should ask forest lawn if that's standard procedure or what...?
the tree, trashcans, building and funny 'floating light' are 3 more reasons to beleive that all this was a 'one for the money, two for the show' thing! i absolutely agree here! i bet anyone caught cryin' there was just too happy it was all just a showcase. yes, they had to come up with some material for the press to 'prove it happened', so they wouldn't get haunted afterwards. give the dog a bone...
about the light: there are some tripods near that big tree, but the light looks so high up in the air, i doubt that these flimsy tripods could hold that in place on this height. i don't see anything on that lamp in terms of wires or straps going from there to any fixture point or construction...anyone?
the trascans: if i had any say so in the organisation of a funeral service of that caliber, i woudl make SURE there are no trashbins in sight! if i had to move 'em myself, they would def not show in any footage on my watch! so, was anyone sloppy here does it turn the trashbins into a clue? i'm pretty sure the latter applies... <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Know what though, about the trash cans...
Why do they look so...Industrial? why aren't they ornate/matching with the rest of the setup? They stick out like sore thumbs, and you wouldn't normally have them all lined up in one place. you'd have nice trash cans, spread out over different areas...Am I right? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Tabloidburn, I also thought about that, but started another topic.
Why did they even have it oudoors when Forest Lawn has private function buildings and churches that are even free, and a part of the service they offer.
They obviously wanted to be seen by the world for a reason.
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The camera was in the back when this was shot. They had to use a telephoto lens to film it. When using this type of lens, you will get image compression. This will make the background appear closer than it really is.
As far as the paths and the trees goes, this type of lens will not add paths or trees!
Em
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I posted this on another thread to correct myself, I would like to correct myself here as well:
I must correct my last post about the roads and trees not being there in the aerial pic, but in the ground footage.
Aerial shot:
Ground shot:
I went to FL this past weekend and saw for myself. It is again types of lenses and angles that were used that make it look different.
Keep in mind, I am a photographer:
The road where the funeral was held is next to a hillside. We see the hillside in the aerial view, bit we do not see the grade of it, the steepness, it appears to be flat.. In the ground view, we do not see the hill at all because it drops down. We only see the roads and trees in the distance past the hillside. They seem closer than they really are, due to the compression of the telephoto lens that was used. This kind of lens makes background objects appear closer than they really are. Hence, the mystery of the roads and trees. Also the arches in the background behind the coffin, the same thing, compression.
Em
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Really? They need that many trash cans for tissue? It's only 200 guests. They must have thought these guests would be crying a river. As precise as the Jacksons were with every detail it's highly unlikely that they would have gotten their film home to watch and went "darn! we forgot to move the trashcans out of camera view!" <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> No, I think there must be more to it. The tree is also a very confusing - even if it was the shot of the camera.
Can't you see the pictures you are talking about(with rows missing) are clearly distorted. Everything is crooked in them.
They are also magnified more, so the distortion is magnified more as well.
There are many bins. It must mean " What a load of rubbish"
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why is this whole 'funeral' outside in the first place? i have never in my life been at a funeral service that takes place outside. it is either in a church, cathedral or some building for that purpose on the cemetery grounds. what happened there? they didn't have a free capacity for michael jackson's funeral? no filming allowed in there for just a show? maybe someone should ask forest lawn if that's standard procedure or what...?
the tree, trashcans, building and funny 'floating light' are 3 more reasons to beleive that all this was a 'one for the money, two for the show' thing! i absolutely agree here! i bet anyone caught cryin' there was just too happy it was all just a showcase. yes, they had to come up with some material for the press to 'prove it happened', so they wouldn't get haunted afterwards. give the dog a bone...
about the light: there are some tripods near that big tree, but the light looks so high up in the air, i doubt that these flimsy tripods could hold that in place on this height. i don't see anything on that lamp in terms of wires or straps going from there to any fixture point or construction...anyone?
the trascans: if i had any say so in the organisation of a funeral service of that caliber, i woudl make SURE there are no trashbins in sight! if i had to move 'em myself, they would def not show in any footage on my watch! so, was anyone sloppy here does it turn the trashbins into a clue? i'm pretty sure the latter applies... <!-- s
Why do they look so...Industrial? why aren't they ornate/matching with the rest of the setup? They stick out like sore thumbs, and you wouldn't normally have them all lined up in one place. you'd have nice trash cans, spread out over different areas...Am I right? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Why did they even have it oudoors when Forest Lawn has private function buildings and churches that are even free, and a part of the service they offer.
They obviously wanted to be seen by the world for a reason.
Private funeral should mean that......private !!