The real Meaning behind the LKL Dave Dave interview

Misteryman000Misteryman000 Posts: 27
edited January 1970 in General Hoax Investigation
I was rewatching for the interview for the 1000 times, and i was always asking myself if there was a meaning behind what ''Dave Dave'' said during this interview but the part that was most bugging me was when he was responding to the meaning of dave dave.

''well to liberate myself...to free myself from his name and his legacy...i decide to become my own person and to change my name''

well these words sound to me like a message: i changed my name, my identity and what i look so i can liberate myself from who i really am.

the rest of the story about how he met michael is just blablabla to make it look more realistic.

well i don't know if it has been discuss but there so many post here, we get lost <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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  • farhatmjjfarhatmjj Posts: 570
    good point... it was in the beginning of the interview right? If so then it was like introducing himself in the disguise to us.
  • chloead505chloead505 Posts: 398
    good point... it was in the beginning of the interview right? If so then it was like introducing himself in the disguise to us.

    I totally agree! And you can tell that he really NEEDS to say that, he was interrupted but then he started the sentence again and put emphasis on every word. It's a clear message <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
  • VERY true
    Michael has a very different way of speaking than most. You have to fine tune yourself to really "get it" sometimes. He uses words and the way he says things i dont think others would say it like that. He is the most fascinating and intelligent person/celeb i have ever heard. As soon as words come out of his mouth iam listening
  • so you think he is saying that michael the person had to liberate himself from michael the performer.
    or a you saying michael had to liberate himself from joe? because he said his father caused all of this.
  • teine21teine21 Posts: 898
    I think he's saying Michael Jackson is the entertainer, the King of Pop. I'm done with that life now, so in order to free my self from that I needed to change my whole identity. Name, look, etc. I really don't think he'll ever return to the world of music. I've thought this for a long time, if he wasn't in danger, he's definitely retired as the Michael we all know him to be, the King of Pop.
  • liegiliegi Posts: 640
    This makes a lot of sense. It was his way of saying good-bye--This Is It, the Memorial, the Funeral, etc. He wanted to go out with a BANG, not a whimper. I don't blame him. I am sure many other people have done this, and not just Elvis.
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    This has been discussed before and I think it's what he did. The King of Pop died. They mention it everywhere, on the memorial stone in Gary, Jermaine at the announcement of his death, the memorial. Why not Michael Jackson Our beloved son, father and brother? Because the wanted to make clear that it was the King of Pop that was gone, not the man himself. He has other stuff on his mind now. Just my 2 cents.

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • teine21teine21 Posts: 898
    Yup, the memorial, funeral, tributes were all for the FANS to say goodbye & celebrate him as the King of Pop. I think now, he's either living a normal life out of the spotlight or he's working behind the scenes either on movies or on the business side of things. However, I think he got tired of being the King of Pop. He kept going for so long because of the fans & with that life came all of the bad parts in his life as well. Now he's liberated himself from ALL of that. He can start fresh doing something else. I wouldn't blame him, if I had 40+ years in the music business, having next to no privacy, tons of expectations, living under a microscope, being ridiculed, everybody's punchline, media bs my whole career, I'd eventually give it up too. Also he gave his all to the world through music, his dance, his love, his humanitarian work & what did he receive in return? Yes, he had us fans but other people in the business didn't respect him, a lot of people in the world turned on him. He loved singing, dancing & entertaining but he said a long time ago that wanted to do other things & that he would eventually disappear & be behind the scenes. He was human after all, there's only so much a person can take before they say I'm done. He gave so much to all of us, he maybe feels like he's done all he can with his music, he's trying to spread his message & use his genius in other forms now.
  • chloead505chloead505 Posts: 398
    It's sad but I must agree. I don't think he'll return as the same MJ. I'm just wondering...how this transformation will look like. Because they way he communicates with us, the fans, I don't think he's really gonna disappear utterly. I really think at this stage it is important to respond to the clues and be on guard because I think he really needs us, whatever is on his mind, whatever are his intentions. What he said as Dave Dave was very clear: in order to free myself..etc., he wants to free himself from the past, start a new life. The question is: how's that gonna look like? <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> We have to wait and see.
  • jenwren20jenwren20 Posts: 282
    this is the feeling that i've always had since frist seeing the dave dave on LKL.....

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    I just don't know how to factor TS into all of this....
  • chloead505chloead505 Posts: 398
    Everything about TS is truly mysterious. No wonder people get suspicious <!-- s:| -->:|<!-- s:| --> How could he possibly know everything? Either he's really connected to MJ directly or he's playing a nasty game, a very smart and nasty game <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> I wonder if we ever get to know who he is. Btw: no offence but the first thing that popped up in my head when I saw TS was Tom Sneddon <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> Those initials are weird. But nobody can deny that TS did have some very interesting observations, especially about the numbers. I'm not sure if we'd have figured that out without him. But then again, this 7/9 issue is kinda scary, how come it all fits in?? Duh... <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
  • Yup, the memorial, funeral, tributes were all for the FANS to say goodbye & celebrate him as the King of Pop. I think now, he's either living a normal life out of the spotlight or he's working behind the scenes either on movies or on the business side of things. However, I think he got tired of being the King of Pop. He kept going for so long because of the fans & with that life came all of the bad parts in his life as well. Now he's liberated himself from ALL of that. He can start fresh doing something else. I wouldn't blame him, if I had 40+ years in the music business, having next to no privacy, tons of expectations, living under a microscope, being ridiculed, everybody's punchline, media bs my whole career, I'd eventually give it up too. Also he gave his all to the world through music, his dance, his love, his humanitarian work & what did he receive in return? Yes, he had us fans but other people in the business didn't respect him, a lot of people in the world turned on him. He loved singing, dancing & entertaining but he said a long time ago that wanted to do other things & that he would eventually disappear & be behind the scenes. He was human after all, there's only so much a person can take before they say I'm done. He gave so much to all of us, he maybe feels like he's done all he can with his music, he's trying to spread his message & use his genius in other forms now.
    This theory makes no sense for me... Just think about it: he still has to wear disguises when he wants to go somewhere without people seeing he is MJ, just like before he "died".
    And if he didn't want to be the King of Pop anymore, he could have said that he is tired of that and wants to do movies. Announcing it instead of faking his death is way easier and much normal. He doesn't have to lie. Lying this big just for your own reasons would cause a great twinge of conscience, wouldn't it?
    "but other people in the business didn't respect him" Other celebrities did respect him - at least this is what most of them said. And those who wanted his money doesn't respect anyone, not just him. Those people are simply sick.
  • Everything about TS is truly mysterious. No wonder people get suspicious <!-- s:| -->:|<!-- s:| --> How could he possibly know everything? Either he's really connected to MJ directly or he's playing a nasty game, a very smart and nasty game <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> I wonder if we ever get to know who he is. Btw: no offence but the first thing that popped up in my head when I saw TS was Tom Sneddon <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> Those initials are weird. But nobody can deny that TS did have some very interesting observations, especially about the numbers. I'm not sure if we'd have figured that out without him. But then again, this 7/9 issue is kinda scary, how come it all fits in?? Duh... <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
    IMO the number theory is very far fetched. WHY on earth would Michael communicate with us through numbers? That would be silly.
  • chloead505chloead505 Posts: 398
    The numbers are totally far-fatched. I just don't get how come 7 and 9 keep on re-appearing. That's why I said it could just as well be a nasty game... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

    As for the reason to fake his death: I actually do think that Elvis might have something to do with it: We all know MJ said he's afraid he's gonna end like him (elvis) "the way he did". I mean that's kinda strange, to say the least.
  • liegiliegi Posts: 640
    Your theory makes a lot of sense and the evidence we have seems to point in this direction. For instance, his death certificate states he was an entertainer for 45 years. Clearly, he wanted to emphasize the fact that he had been the King of Pop for many years, since childhood, and he had given enough. His 02 speech when he emphasized how much he loved his fans ("You must know that") also is another indication he was leaving. In the DaveDave interview he provides us with the reason for doing this--to disconnect from his father's legacy. Perhaps Michael has been doing something for so long to please his father and now he has decided to do something for himself. He has become his own man.
  • teine21teine21 Posts: 898
    Yup, the memorial, funeral, tributes were all for the FANS to say goodbye & celebrate him as the King of Pop. I think now, he's either living a normal life out of the spotlight or he's working behind the scenes either on movies or on the business side of things. However, I think he got tired of being the King of Pop. He kept going for so long because of the fans & with that life came all of the bad parts in his life as well. Now he's liberated himself from ALL of that. He can start fresh doing something else. I wouldn't blame him, if I had 40+ years in the music business, having next to no privacy, tons of expectations, living under a microscope, being ridiculed, everybody's punchline, media bs my whole career, I'd eventually give it up too. Also he gave his all to the world through music, his dance, his love, his humanitarian work & what did he receive in return? Yes, he had us fans but other people in the business didn't respect him, a lot of people in the world turned on him. He loved singing, dancing & entertaining but he said a long time ago that wanted to do other things & that he would eventually disappear & be behind the scenes. He was human after all, there's only so much a person can take before they say I'm done. He gave so much to all of us, he maybe feels like he's done all he can with his music, he's trying to spread his message & use his genius in other forms now.
    This theory makes no sense for me... Just think about it: he still has to wear disguises when he wants to go somewhere without people seeing he is MJ, just like before he "died".
    And if he didn't want to be the King of Pop anymore, he could have said that he is tired of that and wants to do movies. Announcing it instead of faking his death is way easier and much normal. He doesn't have to lie. Lying this big just for your own reasons would cause a great twinge of conscience, wouldn't it?
    "but other people in the business didn't respect him" Other celebrities did respect him - at least this is what most of them said. And those who wanted his money doesn't respect anyone, not just him. Those people are simply sick.

    He's been announcing it for years that he was going to disappear one day & that he wanted to movies. He's said that in more than one interview. He didn't say "I'm going to fake my death but he said he didn't want to grow old in the spotlight, that he was going to disappear & be behind the scenes & that he didn't want to tour anymore. I'm not pulling this out of thin air. Also, other artists respected him...okay, where were they during & post trial? Where was their love & respect BEFORE he died? Some artists did, & some of his friends but way more people turned on him & didn't have anything to do with him than those who supported him. That's just common knowledge. When he was being accused of things & taken to trial & people hated him, even after his innocence was proved, that's when he needed their respect, love & support but did we ever hear statements of support from those who SAY they loved & respected him, nope. Instead we heard...silence. It's always cool for people to want to say they loved someone when they pass away. It's not necessarily how they really feel. If he were still around, they'd still make fun of him in songs, videos & movies. They're so full of sh*t.
  • On the outset, I think this theory on the real meaning behind the LKL DD interview makes alot of sense and I tend to want to embrace the notion that the King of Pop is dead, but Michael Jackson is alive and well and living in... <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->

    But, what gets me every time is: if this is true, why Murray? How does putting an innocent man on trial factor in to simply being tired of the rat race and wanting to disappear and enjoy life, "behind the scenes". I guess some would say that Murray is an example of what it's like to be proven guilty in the court of public opinion without due process, but I don't get the logic and the expense of trying an innocent man because you faked your death -- if Murray is in fact innocent. Therefore, given the extreme compassion Michael possesses, there's got to be more to the Murray story than MJ just wanting to disappear. IMHO.
  • The numbers are totally far-fatched. I just don't get how come 7 and 9 keep on re-appearing. That's why I said it could just as well be a nasty game... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

    As for the reason to fake his death: I actually do think that Elvis might have something to do with it: We all know MJ said he's afraid he's gonna end like him (elvis) "the way he did". I mean that's kinda strange, to say the least.


    any evidence he said this to anyone other than lisa marie?
  • teine21teine21 Posts: 898
    On the outset, I think this theory on the real meaning behind the LKL DD interview makes alot of sense and I tend to want to embrace the notion that the King of Pop is dead, but Michael Jackson is alive and well and living in... <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->

    But, what gets me every time is: if this is true, why Murray? How does putting an innocent man on trial factor in to simply being tired of the rat race and wanting to disappear and enjoy life, "behind the scenes". I guess some would say that Murray is an example of what it's like to be proven guilty in the court of public opinion without due process, but I don't get the logic and the expense of trying an innocent man because you faked your death -- if Murray is in fact innocent. Therefore, given the extreme compassion Michael possesses, there's got to be more to the Murray story than MJ just wanting to disappear. IMHO.

    True.
  • AnnekenAnneken Posts: 80
    HELLO GUYS SORRY BUT JERMAINE SAID IN HIS ANNOUNCEMENT MY BROTHER,THE LEGENDARY KING OF POP DIED.JUST LISTEN TO IT.
  • liegiliegi Posts: 640
    Good point--why would he say "the legendary king of pop". Maybe Michael was sick and tired of hearing that phrase. That must have been a heavy load to carry all these years. I imagine he would have had the time to think this through between 2005-2009.
  • AgentBJAgentBJ Posts: 587
    Maybe the double made the O2-announcement because Michael could not bring about himself to do his farewell-speech...just a theory.
  • liegiliegi Posts: 640
    That's a good idea. Dermot O'Leary said Michael was visibly shaken and turned to him for support. Dermot gave him the "thumbs up"! It must be hard to leave your fans, even if you know you have no choice (which I imagine was the case). Perhaps Michael had serious health issues.
  • pepperpepper Posts: 558
    Maybe the double made the O2-announcement because Michael could not bring about himself to do his farewell-speech...just a theory.

    I've thought this same thing. Here's something I wrote (and posted about a year ago) -

    __________________
    At the O2 conference, whether this was really Michael Jackson or not, read between the lines (in italics) the message that the Messenger may have been implying.

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    Start the video at 2:40

    Michael's actual words are in "quotes"
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    (softly spoken, not yet on the microphone) "I love you. I love you so much. I love you so much."
    "Um, thank you all." For waiting an hour and a half for me to get here today – I 'm kind of nervous and I really had to talk myself into coming at all. I 'm very nervous. I'm not sure you are going to like what I am about to tell you

    (someone in the audience starts chanting "this is it")

    (cough) "This is it, this is it, this is it." THIS is it!
    "But anyway… But I, I, I just want to say that, um, these (exhale) these will be my final show performances in London. " Sorry, sometimes I accidentally make things plural. (hee-hee) I mean my final show performance in London. Today, THIS performance in London.

    "This will be it. This is it and when I say this is it, it really means this is it. Really. Because um heh,heh,heh." Because I want to separate myself from the 'King of Pop' and just become Michael Jackson the person, the Dad, the film-maker. I have a rather radical plan, and my performance today is part of it all.

    (audience chants "King of Pop")

    Yes I am, and "I'll be, I'll be performing the songs my fans want to hear." I'll actually be performing them in my upcoming movie/documentary, also entitled This is It, believe it or not! "This is it. I mean this is really it." THIS. Today. Right now. This is my last performance as Michael Jackson the King of Pop/Entertainer "This is the final, this is the final curtain call. Okay? and um, I'll see you in July…" Well, I'll see you, but you won't see me "heh, heh, heh"
    "and"

    (audience "we love you Michael")

    "I love you." And I'm really sorry it has to be this way, but it is the only way to accomplish what needs to be accomplished. I hope you will understand and forgive me. In the end it will all make sense. And the troot, I mean truth, will prevail. "I really do, you have to know that I love you so much. Really. From the bottom of my heart. This is it." The last time I will 'perform' "And see you in July." At my memorial. I'll be in the second row. Wearing a light-colored fedora. And sunglasses. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
  • @pepper:
    a pretty convincing theory! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> I like it! You put it so well!
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