Thanks Mo and Souza for all that you have done so far.
To all the haters - No one is entitled to judge another unless they are pristine pure themselves. We all have our secrets and things we would prefer to keep to ourselves. Remember this is not a matrimonial site and each one's personal situation or preferences does not need to be aired in the open.
Michael always thought his music brought everyone together. People from all races, backgrounds, economic standings etc could always be in harmony at his concerts. It is shameful that people who claim to be his fans, go against this basic teaching of his and try to create divisions or spread hatred.
I thank Mo & Souza for enlightening us, this well organized forum has been an eye opener for things that have world wide effect. I know the admins don't refer to themselves as fanatics of Michael the man, but they have more than dedicated their last few months to finding out the truth. I for one have never felt threatened by them.
Thanks Souza for making this thread, I was trying to defend you on the thread @glovelove started because I know the source of hate of the controversial original thread. I know @glovelove did not understand why I was vehemently supporting your decision to ban the person, but that person has been regularly making fake ids and posting ridiculous threads just to get the BeLIEvers rattled. This person also has a hate blog that talks about the escapades to fool the admins on this forum and also a lot of uncalled for filth too. Just like you busted the person concerned with ip addresses, a few of us have been able to spot this fraud on a few of the ridiculous threads. When the person is discovered they stop using that account and start a new one. That is why there are many new posters who only spread hate or ridicule. This person favours animal related usernames half the time, though there may be Illuminati mocking or BAM date mocking threads too.
I won't go into details, but @glovelove please feel free to pm me if you still do not believe what I said. Just remember the hoax is about SPREADING LOVE, not hate.
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I also watched the video in question, and that is a totally different angle about what I posted above. I just want to say, that I think with a free mind, I am not manipulated into believing anything here. I know for a fact that Mo or Souza do warn us about trigger videos and I value their warnings. But the rest of it, I don't agree about doubles or about Elvis and I peacefully chose to not participate in those threads or activities - no one can change what I feel. But I won't spread hate or create a thread or poll just to find out what the most ridiculous thing people are willing to believe.
I used to believe TS till the Elvis thing happened, after that I lost complete hope in Michael's return. Yes, maybe Michael is safe for now but I always doubted if exposing him on a public forum would help him or give the bad men clues to find him or fodder for the defense in Murray's case.
If the haters are so bothered about traffic here, why don't they start a proper forum where they can provide all that they claim this site does not provide. If you have the information well arranged like it is here, and if there are enough posters giving inputs, there will be no need to waste idle time exposing other sites or hating on them.
Gosh, I'm actually glad that I have no clue about any of this drama.. but what I am totally sick of is all the negativity against this particular board- Mo, Souza, I feel so, so sorry for you guys about all of this crap..it sounds really scary and I feel almost guilty that it all happens to you two.. I hate to say it, but I am pretty certain that everyone who participates in such disgusting, hateful behavior is at least slightly mentally unstable..anger issues. And if there are any who aren't, then they are just gosh-darn hypocrites when it comes to respecting MJ and his message, because there is no way they can really care about peace and unity the way he does.. No one here behaves that way about anyone: non-believers, the "other" hoax forum.. At least we have that on side in MJ's eyes, he knows who isn't spreading hatred and negativity.
I had never known or participated in any forum MJ, if hoax or anything else. I met here by accident when I started to research more of his life, although I am a fan since the 80s, but unfortunately I was limited to his music and choreography. Many of the millions of fans and also non-fans around the world have come to know or recognize, admire and love Michael Jackson, as a person and a great humanitarian, just after his death. I, by then, just accept the news of the death of the great artist, with great pain and sadness. But when I found this site, its goal, member comments, I found it interesting, and I realized that something really does not make sense about the death of Mike, and I signed up immediately. I feel good here because it somehow brings me closer to Mike. As for the forum and its administration, I see them as a fantastic job, allows us to share ideas, opinions, feelings and lead us to other important issues in this context, inclusive. But sometimes I feel embarrassed to share my skepticism (yet) in relation theories Dave, Dave and Elvis, because I realize that there is reluctance to accept or discuss some specific differences. As for the offensive behavior, rude or rough, to any member, I think he should be banned from this forum, because there is nothing of the sort that can come close to MJ. I think the different opinions and ideas about what happened before, during or after the day on June 25, 2009 should be discussed with love and respect, because it only allows us to evolve into a score of at least closer to the truth. Mike should be proud (where he is), knowing that there are many people involved with him and with great love and desire, even if those people have different thoughts or beliefs about what really happened. The only feeling that valley and that should prevail is the love of MJ for all of us and vice versa, here, now and forever! Congratulations to the forum!
having different opinions is one thing, which is, of course, perfectly normal; but starting to diss and bash ppl for it and even threatening them is far beyond acceptable behaviour, and this is what some others do. I am always shocked when ppl get personal; i mean, saying that someone doesn´t believe in a certain thing you say is ok, but then all the disrespectful gossip...i really don´t like that. And tbh, we´re all on the internet, we don´t necessarily have to know who is behind a nickname, because -as i said- this is the internet! to me, this explains it pretty much. I like it if i know someone´s real name, if he wants to tell me, but if he doesn´t want to, oh well, that´s what nicknames are for.
I didn´t know your laptop was stolen, and this shocks me that ppl even break into your homes just to be able to write some shit on the internet! Are you ok?
This is so depressing. What hope is there of 'changing the world' when just a few hundred people cannot get along, even when they supposedly have the same aim (of finding out what happened to MJ)?
This is modern technology at its worst. I wonder if these 'troublemakers' would act in the same way face to face. It seems like the anonymity of the computer screen allows for a total disregard to all common standards of politeness and decency in a certain type of person.
I hope if MJ is alive that he doesn't read this forum. I fear it would break his heart, although he has experienced enough of the ugly side of human nature in his own lifetime, to have seen this coming.
Souza and Mo, keep yourselves safe. Please make that your top priority.
I saw the video yesterday and it's the huge BS that I've ever seen during the last 8 months.
They claimed to know the truht....? woah.... I think they don't understand a damn thing!
They should connect the brain before open their mouth!
They are talking about love and respect?
Oh yeah! what they are spreading it's love.......... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
They preach love but spread hate!
I hope they will understand one day...........
This forum is not about money or hate... it's about to find out the truth!
Mo and Souza and BadKolo keep up the good work! and thanks! <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
I seriously don't understand the hate towards owners and admins of Michael Jackson hoax websites. It's not just Souza and I who are under attack, every owner has to deal with it. I might not agree with what other hoax website/forum owners do, but that doesn't mean I feel the urge to create videos filled with lies about them and spread them, claiming them to contain the truth.
Actions like that clearly show the rage of impotence. People who make these kind of videos and post them on forums like to have an audience, they need "back up" in order to comfort their own insecurity. It's striking to see that each and every admin bashing video is talking about "sheep" who follow the admins without thinking for themselves, yet what do you call people who blindly accept the lies presented in these videos and supporting the maker of the video..?
It saddens me deeply that the very person which these forums are all about, the very person who hated all these kind of things, has attracted it. Many of the admin bashers keep screaming "It's all about LOVE", but it's not LOVE they spread, they spread HATE. They are very upset when it comes to MJ's privacy, yet they have no problems at all digging for our personal information. They have big mouths about the privacy of MJ's kids, but hey, I have kids also! I was attacked as a mother... I'm asking you: How low can you go..?
Like Souza already said - some very disturbing things took place in our personal lives during the last months. Is it really necessary to personally attack people for publishing THEORIES? How would you feel if you received death threats after airing your opinion..?
Despite all the threats, the lies and the actions taken against us I have no intentions of giving up. Let me end with a quote we're all familiar with: "Beat me, hate me, You can never break me".
I am an active member here and there, although I dont post a lot but I am all day visiting this and the other forum, just because I want to know the truth. I have never been disrespectuf with anybody so I dont afraid to be banned, but what I want to say is that I also like to be respected and sometimes some members told me to go just because I am not a 100% believer.
About the video, I dont know what to think, I dont know either of you and when I read you I trust you and when I read the other I trust the other....so 50-50. The fact of being here doesnt mean that I am going to say "amen" to everything admins or posters says, and the same at the other forum, I am free to think what I want and when/whereever I want.
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ok, I watched the video ... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Guys, are you serious?
Sorry, but I have to reply...
I'm a quiet and patient person, but I can't tolerate those kind of accusations.
Love has a meaning, it's not just a simple word, MJ related or not.
How can you talk about it if you are the first ones bashing others ? Oh, come on !
Are you sure you know the difference between THEORIES and TRUTH ?
I am on this forum since the beginning and I've never heard the admins saying : this is the truth. We are all interested in MJ's "death", we all want to find out the truth, if possible.
Is it so important to be a fan or not? I am a fan myself and I can assure you I' ve never had problems with who is not. We are all united in this crazy adventure, we all respect MJ the man. Isn't it enough ?
And we have different opinions, I would be surprised if it wasn't so.
I've been asked to be a mod and Souza and Mo didn't do any kind of interview to me to know if we shared exactly the same ideas before . So, are you sure there's no freedom of speech here ?
ok, I watched the video ... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Guys, are you serious?
Sorry, but I have to reply...
I'm a quiet and patient person, but I can't tolerate those kind of accusations.
Love has a meaning, it's not just a simple word, MJ related or not.
How can you talk about it if you are the first ones bashing others ? Oh, come on !
Are you sure you know the difference between THEORIES and TRUTH ?
I am on this forum since the beginning and I've never heard the admins saying : this is the truth. We are all interested in MJ's "death", we all want to find out the truth, if possible.
Is it so important to be a fan or not? I am a fan myself and I can assure you I never had problems with who is not. We are all united in this crazy adventure, we all respect MJ the man. Isn't it enough ?
And we have different opinions, I would be surprised if it wasn't so.
I've been asked to be a mod and Souza and Mo didn't do any kind of interview to me to know if we shared exactly the same ideas before . So, are you sure there's no freedom of speech here ?
It has been a while since I felt the urge to post something like this, but things are getting crazy again and I think a new admin post is inevitable.
A lot of you might have seen the video posted on this forum. I locked the thread, but the video is still there for all of you to see. We have nothing to hide and the video is full of untruthfulness and has the sole purpose to bash and ridicule us. It has happened before and I am sure it will happen again.
I saw a comment that people want to be clarified as to who we are. Due to safety reasons we simply can't. People that have spoken to us know we are indeed Dutch, but that's all we can say about it. We don't use our own names or whereabouts because we get death threads and I can tell you (without going into detail) some stuff already happened in our personal lives that we can not explain but was highly uncomfortable to say the least. We don't have to know who you are, I hope you respect the fact that we don't want to say who we are, same goes for badkolo, who is under false names as well. It's for a good reason.
The poster of the video was never banned, she asked herself if we could deactivate her after the article in The Sun, so we did. There is a lot of hate towards us on the other forum, and I don't really get why. We don't bash the others and we don't allow that here. Many people say they are banned when they are not, some people were banned because they couldn't behave, not because they had a different opinion.
What is bugging me the most is that people claim we are here for our own agendas. That is simply not true. We don't earn money with this website, this website costs a lot of money. People who are familiar with owning websites know that the more traffic on your website, the higher the costs are. We don't have ads so we don't gain from that as well.
We have only one agenda and that's finding out the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson. The fact that we are not fans does not mean we don't like him. We do want to know the why and not the when, and I think we have said that many times. We have our own opinion as to why he did this, and we can voice OUR opinion as well, like everyone can, as long as people stay respectful. We too are people of flesh and bones and not made of steal. We put in a lot of time to keep this forum running and I don't expect you to kiss our feet, I am only asking to respect us just a little if it's possible.
About The Jacksonologist: she was demodded for the single reason that she was not active as a mod on this forum anymore, but being an active member on MJHD. That is fine, but i do hope you understand the fact that we need mods that are active here as well. Most of the time there was no mod online, that is why we decided to have new mods and demod a few others. If she feels like we spied on her, well I can't help that. I do visit MJHD sometimes as well and if you call that spying, that's fine.
About TS and Elvis&MJ: We believe in TS and we trust in him, simply because no one was able to debunk his posts. We do not believe Elvis is going to bam, but the story about Elvis is very similar to Mike's death and the fact that there is evidence that Elvis is still alive, underlines the fact that Mike is still alive. You are not obligated to join in the trending Twitter Rally, you are not obligated to believe it. Everyone can make up his own mind. But the fact that we are admins, doesn't mean that we are only here to lock and delete posts, we also participate in the hoax as much as we can and we have our own beliefs.
I am disgusted by the way some people think it's necessary to treat us. I do not understand why there is so much hate amongst believers and to tell you the truth, the accusations are starting to hurt. We have put so much time and effort into this website not only for us, but for you all. We could have made a blog and be done, yet we made a forum for everyone. MJHD was shut down twice and other forums didn't last long either. We wanted to make sure the info wouldn't get lost again.
If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate?
The video will stay here for you to check, but other posts like that will be deleted instantly. Not because we want to 'hide the truth' but to stop the lies about us. I don't allow videos bashing others, but I also don't allow videos bashing us and spreading hate.
Maybe it's because there is not enough news now, and people are again disappointed that there hasn't been a bam yet, I don't know, but it seems we are the targets again.
This post will probably be copied and pasted everywhere to make fun of, well go ahead. This is what I wanted to say and nothing more. If you want to leave, just leave, if you want to stay, stay but show some respect. If you have questions, you can always pm me. Some people do when they think something is odd and I always try to answer, if I can. You can also post questions in here, so everyone can see them and I will answer them in here. But I hope you will understand I will not answer hateful and disrespectful posts.
I really hope we can all stop hating each other and set our differences aside.
Dear Souza and all fellow members.
Firstly I for one do certainly not hate you...Far from it..yet it has to be said that this once so lovely and pleasant forum has a completely different atmosphere now. I find it sad as it used to be a place I would come to feel better and take comfort. Now i dont like posting here because of the sarcastic remarks you are likely to recieve .Infact last week I decided to not post again but I DO FEEL THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID so here I am. Last week I had issues with one of the posts I felt one individual was being targeted and I made my feelings clear but with all honesty I do think our opinions are sometimes over rided by admin ..just recently threads are being locked constantly..even when there are valid points in the thread. I have recieved numerous emails in my inbox from fellow members expressing their feelings about the forum ..many of them agreeing that they prefer not to post because of the reaction they are likely to get. So I know I am not alone in the way I am feeling. This is not personal to Mo and Souza I am just saying what others are to scared to say. I think people have become afraid to speak up because of the negativity in here.
souza I completely understand you keeping your identities secret each and everyone of us has the right to remain secret.Noone should judge you for that whatsoever. I do believe that you have done a marvelous job in bringing this website on.I also think the members have done a wonderful job too with their amazing contributions. Mo Souza I thank you for your efforts and time you put into the site too.
you say "If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate" ..THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THIS..lets look at this from both sides I understand it from your side but think of it from our side us the members ...We are still here for 1 reason and 1 reason only and thats Michael..many of us have been here from day one ..we dont want to leave we want change we want less hate too.. many of us have posted and added alot to this forum and spent our time investigating we shouldnt have to leave it all behind.??.I think it would be unfair to say the negativity is one sided. Also me myself personally think that each and everyone of us as contributed in making this website as sucessful as it is many of us are dedicated to the investiagtion.
I do think the amount of people joining the site has changed the atmosphere.
You say you are disgusted? Thats exactly how I felt last week yet my opinion didnt matter the response I recieved was just pure sarcasm and following my last post I was shocked with the amount of emails i got with other members agreeing with me. I think numbers speak volumes and just the very fact that a lot of people are not happy here anymore should be telling you something.
I also understand that this is a busy forum and I know you the admins do not have an easy job in here.Respect. I appreciate the work you have put in and I know you can not keep everyone happy but it would be a shame for this site to lose its credibility, simply because people feel they dont want to post. Us a members also have an important role. I dont think you asking us why we are still here is going to make us feel welcome and cherished. Its obvious why we are here and each and everyone of us should be valued including admin.I think we need to build bridges we are hot haters we are lovers we just need to start showing it again.
I myself dont get the ElvisMj twitter thing but contributed for the simple fact it would be a nice thing to do for the people who do believe in it. I think we all need to give and hopefully the love will start coming back
MICHAEL= L.O.V.E ..............................MAKE A CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hope this doesnt offend anyone its just my opinion LOVE TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! glovelove xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
glovelove, I agree with everything you have said.....you read my mind but I couldn't have been as eloquent!! Well done. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
This is like history repeating itself, all the negativity, all the hate and mistrust, it is so sad, this is not at all the message MJ tried all his life to get across, this should be about repect, unity and coming together not attacking each other. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I am sorry you have been personally attacked Souza and Mo, and that people have sought to find your identity. I would like to thank you for the time you both have put into this site and the many hours you must dedicate to it. I have been a member here for a long time, since it was created as the backup MJKITForum. It is sad to see how it has changed, the mutual respect for each other seems to have disappeared, we seem to be in a state of disharmony, can we no longer "harmonize around the world" show the love and respect for each other?
I have no plans to go anywhere else, I am a member on the other forum, but rarely go there as I prefer the more analytical base we have here.
We need to get the harmony back, if you dont agree with something, you dont have to "bash" someone elses theory, if you dont agree "pass on by on the other side of the road" as my Mum said when I was very small if you cannot say something good dont say anything at all, I have always found that has stood me in very good stead.
We need to get back to seeking the truth, I know its very quiet at the moment, but we need to be patient and I pray that the truth will prevail.
Peace and God Bless us All.
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I've always found that on any forum there is always some type of dispute with the admin, mods & the members, so for me this isn't surprising.
I think we would all be blind to not realize that there is always going to be things going on that we are not aware of between other people on a forum. I'm sure there is also some truth to it & of course speculation.
I found the video to be part speculation & part truth, i.e. the TS information. I do not however enjoy viewing these types of vids wherein the person stated that they THINK this or that may be the case & proceed to carry on with that thought process.
It is always incorrect to state or post anything with respect to this particular topic with out proof.
Do I think that there is some type of competition between hoax forums? Yes I do. Do I think that the truth will ever be told completely? No, most probably not.
The only thing I am concerned with is that there are some young folks on forms who will blindly follow most everything that is stated be administrators. Why? First, because they are naive & secondly they may not want to say anything for fear of being banned.
I am like some of the other members. I don't, never have & never will believe anyone simply because they are an administrator, moderator or a member. That would be ridiculous.
I skip over any threads that I do not support in their beliefs. I do refrain sometimes from speaking my mind, not because I fear a ban. There are many other hoax forums, so what would be the point in that?
I refrain because it simply isn't worth my time nor effort to attempt to argue over something that in the end will not matter to me.
People that lie will continue to lie & people that tell the truth will continue to tell the truth.
The people that don't know the difference will eventually find out in the end.
It has been a while since I felt the urge to post something like this, but things are getting crazy again and I think a new admin post is inevitable.
A lot of you might have seen the video posted on this forum. I locked the thread, but the video is still there for all of you to see. We have nothing to hide and the video is full of untruthfulness and has the sole purpose to bash and ridicule us. It has happened before and I am sure it will happen again.
I saw a comment that people want to be clarified as to who we are. Due to safety reasons we simply can't. People that have spoken to us know we are indeed Dutch, but that's all we can say about it. We don't use our own names or whereabouts because we get death threads and I can tell you (without going into detail) some stuff already happened in our personal lives that we can not explain but was highly uncomfortable to say the least. We don't have to know who you are, I hope you respect the fact that we don't want to say who we are, same goes for badkolo, who is under false names as well. It's for a good reason.
The poster of the video was never banned, she asked herself if we could deactivate her after the article in The Sun, so we did. There is a lot of hate towards us on the other forum, and I don't really get why. We don't bash the others and we don't allow that here. Many people say they are banned when they are not, some people were banned because they couldn't behave, not because they had a different opinion.
What is bugging me the most is that people claim we are here for our own agendas. That is simply not true. We don't earn money with this website, this website costs a lot of money. People who are familiar with owning websites know that the more traffic on your website, the higher the costs are. We don't have ads so we don't gain from that as well.
We have only one agenda and that's finding out the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson. The fact that we are not fans does not mean we don't like him. We do want to know the why and not the when, and I think we have said that many times. We have our own opinion as to why he did this, and we can voice OUR opinion as well, like everyone can, as long as people stay respectful. We too are people of flesh and bones and not made of steal. We put in a lot of time to keep this forum running and I don't expect you to kiss our feet, I am only asking to respect us just a little if it's possible.
About The Jacksonologist: she was demodded for the single reason that she was not active as a mod on this forum anymore, but being an active member on MJHD. That is fine, but i do hope you understand the fact that we need mods that are active here as well. Most of the time there was no mod online, that is why we decided to have new mods and demod a few others. If she feels like we spied on her, well I can't help that. I do visit MJHD sometimes as well and if you call that spying, that's fine.
About TS and Elvis&MJ: We believe in TS and we trust in him, simply because no one was able to debunk his posts. We do not believe Elvis is going to bam, but the story about Elvis is very similar to Mike's death and the fact that there is evidence that Elvis is still alive, underlines the fact that Mike is still alive. You are not obligated to join in the trending Twitter Rally, you are not obligated to believe it. Everyone can make up his own mind. But the fact that we are admins, doesn't mean that we are only here to lock and delete posts, we also participate in the hoax as much as we can and we have our own beliefs.
I am disgusted by the way some people think it's necessary to treat us. I do not understand why there is so much hate amongst believers and to tell you the truth, the accusations are starting to hurt. We have put so much time and effort into this website not only for us, but for you all. We could have made a blog and be done, yet we made a forum for everyone. MJHD was shut down twice and other forums didn't last long either. We wanted to make sure the info wouldn't get lost again.
If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate?
The video will stay here for you to check, but other posts like that will be deleted instantly. Not because we want to 'hide the truth' but to stop the lies about us. I don't allow videos bashing others, but I also don't allow videos bashing us and spreading hate.
Maybe it's because there is not enough news now, and people are again disappointed that there hasn't been a bam yet, I don't know, but it seems we are the targets again.
This post will probably be copied and pasted everywhere to make fun of, well go ahead. This is what I wanted to say and nothing more. If you want to leave, just leave, if you want to stay, stay but show some respect. If you have questions, you can always pm me. Some people do when they think something is odd and I always try to answer, if I can. You can also post questions in here, so everyone can see them and I will answer them in here. But I hope you will understand I will not answer hateful and disrespectful posts.
I really hope we can all stop hating each other and set our differences aside.
Dear Souza and all fellow members.
Firstly I for one do certainly not hate you...Far from it..yet it has to be said that this once so lovely and pleasant forum has a completely different atmosphere now. I find it sad as it used to be a place I would come to feel better and take comfort. Now i dont like posting here because of the sarcastic remarks you are likely to recieve .Infact last week I decided to not post again but I DO FEEL THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID so here I am. Last week I had issues with one of the posts I felt one individual was being targeted and I made my feelings clear but with all honesty I do think our opinions are sometimes over rided by admin ..just recently threads are being locked constantly..even when there are valid points in the thread. I have recieved numerous emails in my inbox from fellow members expressing their feelings about the forum ..many of them agreeing that they prefer not to post because of the reaction they are likely to get. So I know I am not alone in the way I am feeling. This is not personal to Mo and Souza I am just saying what others are to scared to say. I think people have become afraid to speak up because of the negativity in here.
souza I completely understand you keeping your identities secret each and everyone of us has the right to remain secret.Noone should judge you for that whatsoever. I do believe that you have done a marvelous job in bringing this website on.I also think the members have done a wonderful job too with their amazing contributions. Mo Souza I thank you for your efforts and time you put into the site too.
you say "If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate" ..THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THIS..lets look at this from both sides I understand it from your side but think of it from our side us the members ...We are still here for 1 reason and 1 reason only and thats Michael..many of us have been here from day one ..we dont want to leave we want change we want less hate too.. many of us have posted and added alot to this forum and spent our time investigating we shouldnt have to leave it all behind.??.I think it would be unfair to say the negativity is one sided. Also me myself personally think that each and everyone of us as contributed in making this website as sucessful as it is many of us are dedicated to the investiagtion.
I do think the amount of people joining the site has changed the atmosphere.
You say you are disgusted? Thats exactly how I felt last week yet my opinion didnt matter the response I recieved was just pure sarcasm and following my last post I was shocked with the amount of emails i got with other members agreeing with me. I think numbers speak volumes and just the very fact that a lot of people are not happy here anymore should be telling you something.
I also understand that this is a busy forum and I know you the admins do not have an easy job in here.Respect. I appreciate the work you have put in and I know you can not keep everyone happy but it would be a shame for this site to lose its credibility, simply because people feel they dont want to post. Us a members also have an important role. I dont think you asking us why we are still here is going to make us feel welcome and cherished. Its obvious why we are here and each and everyone of us should be valued including admin.I think we need to build bridges we are hot haters we are lovers we just need to start showing it again.
I myself dont get the ElvisMj twitter thing but contributed for the simple fact it would be a nice thing to do for the people who do believe in it. I think we all need to give and hopefully the love will start coming back
MICHAEL= L.O.V.E ..............................MAKE A CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hope this doesnt offend anyone its just my opinion LOVE TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! glovelove xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
@ glovelove, I agree with everything you have said, you just wrote out my own thoughts <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> Thanks.
@ Souza, thanks for addressing the questions.
As I said, I don´t care who you are but I do care the way this forum is turning towards the Michael Jackson investigation. And I feel very unconfortable with it at this moment.
It was also a big shock for me to find out who is owning the domain and the possible connection to Mrs "DEMON" made me very upset as well.
GloveLove has expresed just how I think in may points.
I made myself clear about my point of views through all my posts and it shows which subjects I am following and what theories I agree with.
I am here to observe, collect, contribute and find what happened to Michael Jackson and only Michael.
I want also add that all this situations are caused as well by Story Tellers and Riddle Experts who keep confusing people here in the forum.
Michael Jackson is gone, that´s the only fact we have.
I really appreciate all that you Souza and Mo do it keeping this site running. It is a home for me definately. I've rarely seen a family, church group, friends group that eventually didn't have some issues and fights going on about something. Human nature. Things build up, explosion, discuss everything out, hopefully new understanding is reached. That happens regularly just me, my husband, and kids. This forum is so much more a range of people involved. I agree there's major stress let down with nothing happening with Michael lately. We've gotto get through this together.
I personally admit that the strong connection to the Elvis site with TS's post, was a let down for me as to his connection to Michael for the first time, hope new info will come. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> Just being honest. But I will continue to hope, trust, support, love. Thank you!
Dear Souza and Mo,
I am sorry you are having so many problems. You are doing a service to Michael Jackson and people who care about him and the world.
I don't have much time to read the posts and keep up--it has all become very confusing.
I appreciate everything you do and I think you are doing a great job. It is your forum, so I think people should abide by your rules.
Having said this, could you please tell me why you think Michael Jackson did this?
Dear Souza and Mo,
I am sorry you are having so many problems. You are doing a service to Michael Jackson and people who care about him and the world.
I don't have much time to read the posts and keep up--it has all become very confusing.
I appreciate everything you do and I think you are doing a great job. It is your forum, so I think people should abide by your rules.
Having said this, could you please tell me why you think Michael Jackson did this?
Thank you very much for your forum!
Liegi, Souza and I think Mike did this to expose what's really going on in this world, to show people that they are manipulated and being lied to on the highest level. We have created a series of videos called "Michael Jackson's Message", you can find them in this thread: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10035<!-- l -->
I would also like to express my gratitude for all the work you two put into this site. I sometimes stay away from the site for a while then come back, but only because it's hard on my heart. Truly though, I find it appalling that you guys would receive death threats or any sort of negative comments. Like you said, if people don't want to be on the site, they shouldn't be on it.
I want to thank you guys so much for funding and supporting such a site. I've had the chance to talk to people from all over the world, and it's been amazing. Not only that, but all of these people have felt the same pain I've felt about Michael, and are just wanting to find the truth. This site as helped me so much, and it's you two I have to thank <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Here, here. My sentiments exactly. And because I'm not always on here since I signed up in December, I miss things and have totally missed the video that is referenced. video? badkolo? jacksonologist? i've missed all of this but I appreciate hearing from Mo and Souza, which helps me get caught up today.
In any case, thank you for funding and supporting this site.
Without this site (and one other that I am on occasionally, <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> but that site came after this one), I would have absolutely no one to talk to about the death hoax. I have a lot of friends who are diehard fans of Michael, but none of them believe that he's still alive. Thank you for this outlet.
I didn´t know your laptop was stolen, and this shocks me that ppl even break into your homes just to be able to write some shit on the internet! Are you ok?
To hear this is really really bad and scary. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> Please, take great care of yourselves!
You must be very close to the truth to be such a target of hate.
Who is so much afraid of you (r words)?
"Witch-hunting" is a relict from the middle ages - those hunted and burnt were the wise women who knew too much, and those chasing them feared their mental power.
So they tried to demoralize them, tortured them and forced them to give false evidence.
History repeats itself - the methods are different, more subtle, but the vicious scheme behind it hasn't changed that much.
To endure this needs great courage.
Thank God times have changed at least, so people can defend and protect themselves not to get caught and be literally "burnt".
I just wonder what happened to Michael if he is safe as well.
I pray for your safety - and your happiness and good spirits to continue.
i agree with all the posts above, i must add that it's not only this forum that is being bashed, i have seen many mj sites, pages when fans attack,hurt and ridicule other fans for just not sharing their opinion,it really doesnt matter whether one has been MJ's fan for almost all his life or has become one after his "death",though i'm a fan since my childhood, i have met ones who are fans from the very beginning but are rude, cruel to each other and keep on talking about MJ's message, about love, about spreading it, but instead they spread hatred, this is human nature and unfortunately these people are a lot and everywhere, so never give up Mo and Souza, u're doing a great job, this place has become a very candid and sweet place for me,not talking about some really rude posters,i think those rude ones must be just ignored.much love and peace
All I have to say is THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE.
WITH OUT YOU THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO FORUM FOR ALL OF US TO GO.
Be strong and please know that I appreciate you and I am very thankful to you both.
I do not know why anybody is against you. All I can say is I send protection your way & know that there are people like myself that are truly grateful.
Peace & love to you both:)
AMEN. Same loving thoughts (and prayers for protection) to you from myself. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Anonymity oftimes brings the cowards out of the woodwork. All cowards aren't haters but all haters are cowards. It is the nature of cowards to bully.
I don't understand haters, HERE, though. Unbeilievable every single time I see it here! A REAL oxymoron.... But, just be encouraged by what has been attributed to Bob Dylan, I believe:
"If you haven't been booed, you haven't done anything"
Cheers and jeers are just different pitches of expelled air. Tune out the sour notes, and pretend it's all one big symphony, as the backdrop to your obviously making some seriously righteous waves SOMEwhere in the fabric of this universe!!! <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> You GO, gurls!!!!!!!!!!!! <!-- s:arrow: -->:arrow:<!-- s:arrow: -->
Oh, and I'd get a big fierce booty <!-- s:twisted: -->:twisted:<!-- s:twisted: --> -munching dog for home security...now that is scary <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
Comments
To all the haters - No one is entitled to judge another unless they are pristine pure themselves. We all have our secrets and things we would prefer to keep to ourselves. Remember this is not a matrimonial site and each one's personal situation or preferences does not need to be aired in the open.
Michael always thought his music brought everyone together. People from all races, backgrounds, economic standings etc could always be in harmony at his concerts. It is shameful that people who claim to be his fans, go against this basic teaching of his and try to create divisions or spread hatred.
I thank Mo & Souza for enlightening us, this well organized forum has been an eye opener for things that have world wide effect. I know the admins don't refer to themselves as fanatics of Michael the man, but they have more than dedicated their last few months to finding out the truth. I for one have never felt threatened by them.
Thanks Souza for making this thread, I was trying to defend you on the thread @glovelove started because I know the source of hate of the controversial original thread. I know @glovelove did not understand why I was vehemently supporting your decision to ban the person, but that person has been regularly making fake ids and posting ridiculous threads just to get the BeLIEvers rattled. This person also has a hate blog that talks about the escapades to fool the admins on this forum and also a lot of uncalled for filth too. Just like you busted the person concerned with ip addresses, a few of us have been able to spot this fraud on a few of the ridiculous threads. When the person is discovered they stop using that account and start a new one. That is why there are many new posters who only spread hate or ridicule. This person favours animal related usernames half the time, though there may be Illuminati mocking or BAM date mocking threads too.
I won't go into details, but @glovelove please feel free to pm me if you still do not believe what I said. Just remember the hoax is about SPREADING LOVE, not hate.
EDIT
I also watched the video in question, and that is a totally different angle about what I posted above. I just want to say, that I think with a free mind, I am not manipulated into believing anything here. I know for a fact that Mo or Souza do warn us about trigger videos and I value their warnings. But the rest of it, I don't agree about doubles or about Elvis and I peacefully chose to not participate in those threads or activities - no one can change what I feel. But I won't spread hate or create a thread or poll just to find out what the most ridiculous thing people are willing to believe.
I used to believe TS till the Elvis thing happened, after that I lost complete hope in Michael's return. Yes, maybe Michael is safe for now but I always doubted if exposing him on a public forum would help him or give the bad men clues to find him or fodder for the defense in Murray's case.
If the haters are so bothered about traffic here, why don't they start a proper forum where they can provide all that they claim this site does not provide. If you have the information well arranged like it is here, and if there are enough posters giving inputs, there will be no need to waste idle time exposing other sites or hating on them.
I want Michael Jackson to be alive
now goodnight and see ya tomorrow <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
having different opinions is one thing, which is, of course, perfectly normal; but starting to diss and bash ppl for it and even threatening them is far beyond acceptable behaviour, and this is what some others do. I am always shocked when ppl get personal; i mean, saying that someone doesn´t believe in a certain thing you say is ok, but then all the disrespectful gossip...i really don´t like that. And tbh, we´re all on the internet, we don´t necessarily have to know who is behind a nickname, because -as i said- this is the internet! to me, this explains it pretty much. I like it if i know someone´s real name, if he wants to tell me, but if he doesn´t want to, oh well, that´s what nicknames are for.
I didn´t know your laptop was stolen, and this shocks me that ppl even break into your homes just to be able to write some shit on the internet! Are you ok?
This is modern technology at its worst. I wonder if these 'troublemakers' would act in the same way face to face. It seems like the anonymity of the computer screen allows for a total disregard to all common standards of politeness and decency in a certain type of person.
I hope if MJ is alive that he doesn't read this forum. I fear it would break his heart, although he has experienced enough of the ugly side of human nature in his own lifetime, to have seen this coming.
Souza and Mo, keep yourselves safe. Please make that your top priority.
They claimed to know the truht....? woah.... I think they don't understand a damn thing!
They should connect the brain before open their mouth!
They are talking about love and respect?
Oh yeah! what they are spreading it's love.......... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
They preach love but spread hate!
I hope they will understand one day...........
This forum is not about money or hate... it's about to find out the truth!
Mo and Souza and BadKolo keep up the good work! and thanks! <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
Allow me to add something...
I seriously don't understand the hate towards owners and admins of Michael Jackson hoax websites. It's not just Souza and I who are under attack, every owner has to deal with it. I might not agree with what other hoax website/forum owners do, but that doesn't mean I feel the urge to create videos filled with lies about them and spread them, claiming them to contain the truth.
Actions like that clearly show the rage of impotence. People who make these kind of videos and post them on forums like to have an audience, they need "back up" in order to comfort their own insecurity. It's striking to see that each and every admin bashing video is talking about "sheep" who follow the admins without thinking for themselves, yet what do you call people who blindly accept the lies presented in these videos and supporting the maker of the video..?
It saddens me deeply that the very person which these forums are all about, the very person who hated all these kind of things, has attracted it. Many of the admin bashers keep screaming "It's all about LOVE", but it's not LOVE they spread, they spread HATE. They are very upset when it comes to MJ's privacy, yet they have no problems at all digging for our personal information. They have big mouths about the privacy of MJ's kids, but hey, I have kids also! I was attacked as a mother... I'm asking you: How low can you go..?
Like Souza already said - some very disturbing things took place in our personal lives during the last months. Is it really necessary to personally attack people for publishing THEORIES? How would you feel if you received death threats after airing your opinion..?
Despite all the threats, the lies and the actions taken against us I have no intentions of giving up. Let me end with a quote we're all familiar with: "Beat me, hate me, You can never break me".
About the video, I dont know what to think, I dont know either of you and when I read you I trust you and when I read the other I trust the other....so 50-50. The fact of being here doesnt mean that I am going to say "amen" to everything admins or posters says, and the same at the other forum, I am free to think what I want and when/whereever I want.
LOL sorry for my bad english <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Guys, are you serious?
Sorry, but I have to reply...
I'm a quiet and patient person, but I can't tolerate those kind of accusations.
Love has a meaning, it's not just a simple word, MJ related or not.
How can you talk about it if you are the first ones bashing others ? Oh, come on !
Are you sure you know the difference between THEORIES and TRUTH ?
I am on this forum since the beginning and I've never heard the admins saying : this is the truth. We are all interested in MJ's "death", we all want to find out the truth, if possible.
Is it so important to be a fan or not? I am a fan myself and I can assure you I' ve never had problems with who is not. We are all united in this crazy adventure, we all respect MJ the man. Isn't it enough ?
And we have different opinions, I would be surprised if it wasn't so.
I've been asked to be a mod and Souza and Mo didn't do any kind of interview to me to know if we shared exactly the same ideas before . So, are you sure there's no freedom of speech here ?
Just my two cents...
Peace <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
glovelove, I agree with everything you have said.....you read my mind but I couldn't have been as eloquent!! Well done. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I am sorry you have been personally attacked Souza and Mo, and that people have sought to find your identity. I would like to thank you for the time you both have put into this site and the many hours you must dedicate to it. I have been a member here for a long time, since it was created as the backup MJKITForum. It is sad to see how it has changed, the mutual respect for each other seems to have disappeared, we seem to be in a state of disharmony, can we no longer "harmonize around the world" show the love and respect for each other?
I have no plans to go anywhere else, I am a member on the other forum, but rarely go there as I prefer the more analytical base we have here.
We need to get the harmony back, if you dont agree with something, you dont have to "bash" someone elses theory, if you dont agree "pass on by on the other side of the road" as my Mum said when I was very small if you cannot say something good dont say anything at all, I have always found that has stood me in very good stead.
We need to get back to seeking the truth, I know its very quiet at the moment, but we need to be patient and I pray that the truth will prevail.
Peace and God Bless us All.
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I think we would all be blind to not realize that there is always going to be things going on that we are not aware of between other people on a forum. I'm sure there is also some truth to it & of course speculation.
I found the video to be part speculation & part truth, i.e. the TS information. I do not however enjoy viewing these types of vids wherein the person stated that they THINK this or that may be the case & proceed to carry on with that thought process.
It is always incorrect to state or post anything with respect to this particular topic with out proof.
Do I think that there is some type of competition between hoax forums? Yes I do. Do I think that the truth will ever be told completely? No, most probably not.
The only thing I am concerned with is that there are some young folks on forms who will blindly follow most everything that is stated be administrators. Why? First, because they are naive & secondly they may not want to say anything for fear of being banned.
I am like some of the other members. I don't, never have & never will believe anyone simply because they are an administrator, moderator or a member. That would be ridiculous.
I skip over any threads that I do not support in their beliefs. I do refrain sometimes from speaking my mind, not because I fear a ban. There are many other hoax forums, so what would be the point in that?
I refrain because it simply isn't worth my time nor effort to attempt to argue over something that in the end will not matter to me.
People that lie will continue to lie & people that tell the truth will continue to tell the truth.
The people that don't know the difference will eventually find out in the end.
@ glovelove, I agree with everything you have said, you just wrote out my own thoughts <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> Thanks.
@ Souza, thanks for addressing the questions.
As I said, I don´t care who you are but I do care the way this forum is turning towards the Michael Jackson investigation. And I feel very unconfortable with it at this moment.
It was also a big shock for me to find out who is owning the domain and the possible connection to Mrs "DEMON" made me very upset as well.
GloveLove has expresed just how I think in may points.
I made myself clear about my point of views through all my posts and it shows which subjects I am following and what theories I agree with.
I am here to observe, collect, contribute and find what happened to Michael Jackson and only Michael.
I want also add that all this situations are caused as well by Story Tellers and Riddle Experts who keep confusing people here in the forum.
Michael Jackson is gone, that´s the only fact we have.
Peace.
I personally admit that the strong connection to the Elvis site with TS's post, was a let down for me as to his connection to Michael for the first time, hope new info will come. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> Just being honest. But I will continue to hope, trust, support, love. Thank you!
I am sorry you are having so many problems. You are doing a service to Michael Jackson and people who care about him and the world.
I don't have much time to read the posts and keep up--it has all become very confusing.
I appreciate everything you do and I think you are doing a great job. It is your forum, so I think people should abide by your rules.
Having said this, could you please tell me why you think Michael Jackson did this?
Thank you very much for your forum!
Liegi, Souza and I think Mike did this to expose what's really going on in this world, to show people that they are manipulated and being lied to on the highest level. We have created a series of videos called "Michael Jackson's Message", you can find them in this thread: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10035<!-- l -->
Here, here. My sentiments exactly. And because I'm not always on here since I signed up in December, I miss things and have totally missed the video that is referenced. video? badkolo? jacksonologist? i've missed all of this but I appreciate hearing from Mo and Souza, which helps me get caught up today.
In any case, thank you for funding and supporting this site.
Without this site (and one other that I am on occasionally, <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> but that site came after this one), I would have absolutely no one to talk to about the death hoax. I have a lot of friends who are diehard fans of Michael, but none of them believe that he's still alive. Thank you for this outlet.
To hear this is really really bad and scary. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> Please, take great care of yourselves!
You must be very close to the truth to be such a target of hate.
Who is so much afraid of you (r words)?
"Witch-hunting" is a relict from the middle ages - those hunted and burnt were the wise women who knew too much, and those chasing them feared their mental power.
So they tried to demoralize them, tortured them and forced them to give false evidence.
History repeats itself - the methods are different, more subtle, but the vicious scheme behind it hasn't changed that much.
To endure this needs great courage.
Thank God times have changed at least, so people can defend and protect themselves not to get caught and be literally "burnt".
I just wonder what happened to Michael if he is safe as well.
I pray for your safety - and your happiness and good spirits to continue.
AMEN. Same loving thoughts (and prayers for protection) to you from myself. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Anonymity oftimes brings the cowards out of the woodwork. All cowards aren't haters but all haters are cowards. It is the nature of cowards to bully.
I don't understand haters, HERE, though. Unbeilievable every single time I see it here! A REAL oxymoron.... But, just be encouraged by what has been attributed to Bob Dylan, I believe:
"If you haven't been booed, you haven't done anything"
Cheers and jeers are just different pitches of expelled air. Tune out the sour notes, and pretend it's all one big symphony, as the backdrop to your obviously making some seriously righteous waves SOMEwhere in the fabric of this universe!!! <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> You GO, gurls!!!!!!!!!!!! <!-- s:arrow: -->:arrow:<!-- s:arrow: -->
Oh, and I'd get a big fierce booty <!-- s:twisted: -->:twisted:<!-- s:twisted: --> -munching dog for home security...now that is scary <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->