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But only the staff of IMDB can add information to the database. So it's not important (in our case) who gave the info. If someone from the staff gets the info that the directior is Michael Jackson, he/she must know that Michael is officially dead - so cannot be the director. Unless it's someone else with the same name, but that would be too strange...
Actually I don't believe that is true. I believe people in the industry with a paid account can add stuff. BUT has anyone here entertained the thought that one of the staff members might believe in the hoax and just did this?
Hi reading_on! I think that if the staff has to add the info, then it's clear that someone from the staff is involved in the hoax or is simply playing with us... But which one???
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But only the staff of IMDB can add information to the database. So it's not important (in our case) who gave the info. If someone from the staff gets the info that the directior is Michael Jackson, he/she must know that Michael is officially dead - so cannot be the director. Unless it's someone else with the same name, but that would be too strange...
Actually I don't believe that is true. I believe people in the industry with a paid account can add stuff. BUT has anyone here entertained the thought that one of the staff members might believe in the hoax and just did this?
Hi reading_on! I think that if the staff has to add the info, then it's clear that someone from the staff is involved in the hoax or is simply playing with us... But which one???
I feel strongly that Michael would never do somethng like this without an extremely important reason. He may be embellishing his main point of the hoax with "fireworks"
and fanfare but I don't think Michael would toy with his fans. We know how much he loves his fans. We know that he must hurt to think that he's upsetting his fans and that we've been distraught. He would not have done this if he didn't have to.
When I read about the details of his TII tour contract and other aspects of the music industry's despicable and criminal treatment of Michael, including the possible reprehensible behavior of many lawyers, I have to think that the primary reason for the hoax was very serious and MJ's life was in danger but he out-thought them all and will expose some incredible truths that will free many who are victims of unscrupulous practices. If Michael does come back we will all understand that this fake death was out of necessity. Some fans may remain incredulous no matter what, but I'm inclined to believe that most will understand and hail him a hero.
Otherwise, if I'm being too grandiose, then Michael does not plan to ever return in the flesh for the world to see, he's enjoying his freedom in private, which he deserves, and is simply letting those of us who believe that he is alive and well know that he is making movies just like he said he would. His true fans and devotees will understand it either way.
I'm still hoping that he's kicking butt and taking names! Time to expose these devils that will all come out through Conrad Murray's trial.
I like the way you think and express yourself....very well put!!
I too believe that Michael hoaxed this death because HE FELT HE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE....this was not a cavalier decision, by any means...and the relationship that Michael had with his fans was unprecedentedly close....a complete "Mutual Admiration Society", as they say...I believe he would NEVER want to put us through the pain and heartache of his death without absolute good cause....I think we need to make a Leap of Faith here....Trust that Michael knows what he is doing....there is NOTHING that he has done or will do during this Hoax that should surprise you....we are talking about Michael Jackson here....the most MAGICAL person to ever walk the planet! That being said, there is a part of me though that thinks that he should just stay hidden....to enjoy his privacy and his children....at age 50, he had already been working for nearly 40 years and living a life that would have taken down a lesser man....this was a man whose life held a grand purpose....he knew it, we knew it and if we patiently support him, I think we will learn the truth of what is going on. But again, great post, soldierofLOVE....you're a great writer!
I understand what you mean, but one thing does not exclude the other if you know what I mean. I also absolutely believe that there's more to it than just making a movie. Maybe yes, Michael was in danger, but what if he included all of this in his movie? Especially if it's a documentary! Imagine that the people or organizations that had bad intensions with him, are all included in the movie (without their knowledge of course). That all threats, accusations and slander as evidence is being processed in a movie? Would that not be the most brilliant thing we have ever seen!?
soldier ofLOVE wrote:
I feel strongly that Michael would never do somethng like this without an extremely important reason. He may be embellishing his main point of the hoax with "fireworks"
and fanfare but I don't think Michael would toy with his fans. We know how much he loves his fans. We know that he must hurt to think that he's upsetting his fans and that we've been distraught. He would not have done this if he didn't have to.
When I read about the details of his TII tour contract and other aspects of the music industry's despicable and criminal treatment of Michael, including the possible reprehensible behavior of many lawyers, I have to think that the primary reason for the hoax was very serious and MJ's life was in danger but he out-thought them all and will expose some incredible truths that will free many who are victims of unscrupulous practices. If Michael does come back we will all understand that this fake death was out of necessity. Some fans may remain incredulous no matter what, but I'm inclined to believe that most will understand and hail him a hero.
Otherwise, if I'm being too grandiose, then Michael does not plan to ever return in the flesh for the world to see, he's enjoying his freedom in private, which he deserves, and is simply letting those of us who believe that he is alive and well know that he is making movies just like he said he would. His true fans and devotees will understand it either way.
I'm still hoping that he's kicking butt and taking names! Time to expose these devils that will all come out through Conrad Murray's trial.
I like the way you think and express yourself....very well put!!
I too believe that Michael hoaxed this death because HE FELT HE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE....this was not a cavalier decision, by any means...and the relationship that Michael had with his fans was unprecedentedly close....a complete "Mutual Admiration Society", as they say...I believe he would NEVER want to put us through the pain and heartache of his death without absolute good cause....I think we need to make a Leap of Faith here....Trust that Michael knows what he is doing....there is NOTHING that he has done or will do during this Hoax that should surprise you....we are talking about Michael Jackson here....the most MAGICAL person to ever walk the planet! That being said, there is a part of me though that thinks that he should just stay hidden....to enjoy his privacy and his children....at age 50, he had already been working for nearly 40 years and living a life that would have taken down a lesser man....this was a man whose life held a grand purpose....he knew it, we knew it and if we patiently support him, I think we will learn the truth of what is going on. But again, great post, soldierofLOVE....you're a great writer!
I have the feeling that the hoax at this point takes a decisive turn. I can not express in words what exactly it might mean ... but I think we are clearly just before an event or a revelation to us the hoax can be understood in its (serious) intentions.
Some thoughtful, interesting posts here - thanks everyone.
Remember that while some people use grandiose speeches or writing to say important things, MJ is an artistic performer and creator - it's what he does, and it's the medium he uses to convey his thoughts, feelings and messages. So, yes I think this is about much more than JUST a movie. He's used music and dance, in the main, up to now to tell us what he wanted us to know. But film was undoubtedly the direction his art was taking him, so to me it makes perfect sense that his message for the world now would be conveyed within movies. While I accept that he may have been in danger, I don't think his 'death' was in any way a hastily put together affair to deal with this danger. The message and the movie have, in my opinion, been a long time in planning.
Of course, I'm aware that I may be totally wrong on this, but it's what my heart has been telling me for a long time. It just makes simple sense to me, in what is often confusing and overwhelming in this hoax! And it seems like totally MJ's style!
My heart tells me Michael is much trixier than people care to believe. He's not evil but he sometimes lets his child like side do the thinking and that spells out movie.....greatest show on earth... like there is no tomorrow and yes his life could have been in danger, very possible but it's also possible that he did this for the pure amusement of it all. I don't think any of us ever know what side of Michael we are going to get from one minute to the next and that is the beauty of him.
all4loveandbelieve, I also think the other fans, those who believe that Michael died and have been visiting an empty grave. <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
And do not even think Michael hit in the nose, <!-- s --><!-- s --> ... he has very big reasons to do all this <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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all4loveandbelieve, I also think the other fans, those who believe that Michael died and have been visiting an empty grave. <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
And do not even think Michael hit in the nose, <!-- s --><!-- s --> ... he has very big reasons to do all this <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Today I have a big smile on my face <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Paula, I did not say to punch Michael in the nose, I replied it to the other person, not to punch his gorgeous face and watch the nose..
All4loveandbelieve Sorry I might not express it, <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> I know not you, anyway I'm just kidding <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I am becoming very insensed with Conrad Murray always alluding to "when the truth is told". <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> He apparently wouldn't know the truth if it slapped him in the face based on all the lies and different scenarios he has given the authorities and labeled them as "the truth". How is anything he says going to be credible. for heavens sake he's told lie after lie like the little boy who cried wolf so much that when the wolf actually showed up, no one was listening to him. It's very disparaging <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
All4loveandbelieve Sorry I might not express it, <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> I know not you, anyway I'm just kidding <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
i know, I was trying to make her laugh because she was upset. Which it is understandable. I wish this will be resolved a.s.a.p. Love and blessings
All4loveandbelieve Sorry I might not express it, <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> I know not you, anyway I'm just kidding <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
i know, I was trying to make her laugh because she was upset. Which it is understandable. I wish this will be resolved a.s.a.p. Love and blessings
It was me, I want to punch him in the face <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> But I will definitely won't hurt his nose, I promise! <!-- s --><!-- s -->
You guys are so nice, finally I learn to laugh a little during reading the forums - thanks to you!
All4loveandbelieve Sorry I might not express it, <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> I know not you, anyway I'm just kidding <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
i know, I was trying to make her laugh because she was upset. Which it is understandable. I wish this will be resolved a.s.a.p. Love and blessings
It was me, I want to punch him in the face <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> But I will definitely won't hurt his nose, I promise! <!-- s --><!-- s -->
You guys are so nice, finally I learn to laugh a little during reading the forums - thanks to you!
You are very welcome I am glad I made you laugh, we need it time to time. When ever you are feeling low just IM me and I will be more than happy to make you laugh.. God bless you..
My heart tells me Michael is much trixier than people care to believe. He's not evil but he sometimes lets his child like side do the thinking and that spells out movie.....greatest show on earth... like there is no tomorrow and yes his life could have been in danger, very possible but it's also possible that he did this for the pure amusement of it all. I don't think any of us ever know what side of Michael we are going to get from one minute to the next and that is the beauty of him.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that MJ is much more trixier than people give him credit for. His smile at the end of his short film, Remember the Time, when he is trying to escape from the beefy, Egyptian guards says it all for me. His smile has a Puckish quality to me. I think that MJ is alot smarter than people ever have give him credit for. I think that he is a brillant genius capable all things great and small.
New Orleans Metro Real Time News
Ex-bodyguard for Michael Jackson recalls a mischievous man and a loving family
Published: Tuesday, July 07, 2009, 9:29 PM Updated: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:47 PM
Lolis E Elie
As thousands of people gathered for a memorial service at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on Tuesday to mourn the King of Pop, Andre Menzies was at work in New Orleans, reminiscing about his days as one of Michael Jackson's bodyguards and remembering the superstar as a prankster, a perfectionist and a consummate performer.
"Just being with Michael was one of the best things I've ever done, " said Menzies, 55.
"When he would go sing 'Human Nature' or 'I'll Be There, ' it would be incredible, " Menzies recalled. "The whole entire stadium would be waving their arms."
Menzies, chief of security at Dillard University and a reserve officer with the New Orleans Police Department, started working with the Jackson family in 1984 for its "Victory" tour. Much of his memorabilia from those days was destroyed in the flooding after Hurricane Katrina.
"If it wasn't for Katrina, I would have had all kinds of stuff, " Menzies said. "I stayed friends with them (the Jackson family) until now. I still can't believe Michael's dead."
Menzies is one of a small coterie of New Orleanians with connections to the Jackson family. Marlon Jackson is married to Carol Parker, a New Orleanian. Wayne and Skip Nagin, cousins of New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, worked security for various members of the Jackson clan.
"I'm really just very distraught, " Skip Nagin said. "We all know Michael was a great entertainer, but I'd rather not speak on it right now."
It seems that Jermaine Jackson is the central figure in the Jackson connection to New Orleans. He hired Menzies and helped bring Jonathan "Sugarfoot" Moffett, a New Orleans drummer, to his brothers' attention. Moffett has become a fixture in the bands of all the Jackson brothers as well as those of pop stars Madonna and Elton John.
Jermaine Jackson also helped New Orleans twins Lolita Minor and Tarita Walker land roles in the 1992 television biography "The Jacksons: An American Dream."
Though Menzies was hired specifically to work as a bodyguard for Jermaine Jackson, roles on the "Victory" tour were fluid. Often Menzies would be reassigned to accompany Michael Jackson to a news conference or other events.
Jackson the prankster
While on that tour, he said he saw the Jackson family as warm and friendly, an image that is at odds with tabloid coverage.
Michael Jackson would often enlist his younger brother, Randy, as well as Menzies in one of his favorite pranks. Late at night, the trio would gather the room service trays left by guests in the hotel's hallway. Then they would target one of the other brothers and stack all the trays in front of his door.
"In the morning, when they had to run out, they would run into all those dishes, " Menzies said.
In later years, Jackson was dogged by allegations of child molestation, and the Jackson family has been accused of being dysfunctional.
From his limited vantage point, Menzies said he saw no evidence of either.
"The man was not a child molester, not a freak. He was just a genius that we will never find in an artist again in life, " Menzies said.
"Those guys didn't drink. They didn't smoke, they didn't use drugs. They were the best people in the world to work for. They made us feel like a million dollars, " Menzies said.
Pork and sweet potatoes
The Jacksons have another New Orleans tie: They ate at Dooky Chase restaurant on Orleans Avenue in the 1970s.
"At that time, they loved pork chops and they loved sweet potato pies, " chef Leah Chase said. "But as they grew older, they didn't eat pork chops anymore.
"I remember so well when they got to be about 14 or 15, they wanted wine. They wanted Fratelli Lambrusco, " she said, laughing.
Menzies, who said Snickers candy bars were another Jackson staple, recalled other light-hearted details. At one point on the "Victory" tour, Menzies said, Jermaine Jackson was supposed to place Michael's fedora on a microphone stand as his younger brother did his trademark moonwalk dance across the stage.
But one night, Michael Jackson finished his dance only to find Menzies' New York Yankees baseball cap on the stand where his own hat should have been.
"You should have seen Michael's face when he turned around and saw that hat, " Menzies recalled, laughing.
The dance that Michael Jackson made look so easy was a product of hard work as well as talent, Menzies said.
"He used to practice every night after the show, " Menzies said. "Everywhere we went, he would have to have a hardwood floor in his room so he could practice."
Another time, Menzies remembered, "we were in New York doing a show and Marlon took off his jacket and Michael threw it in the audience.
"That night, Jermaine said 'Michael, I love you. I love you to death. But if you take my jacket and throw it into the audience, I'm going to throw you right behind it.' "
Though the six-month "Victory" tour was the last time Menzies worked directly with Michael Jackson, he continued to work with Jermaine Jackson off and on for years.
"The last time I talked to Michael, it had to be years ago, " he said. "But I was keeping in touch with Jermaine. I kept up with them, where they were."
I was at the premiere in London’s Leicester square on Tuesday. My verdict? The movie shows that if the concerts had happened, they would have been truly amazing – the King of Pop was a genius. Michael had added a dynamic and funky dimension to his performances. Fantastic dancers and musicians, breath-taking choreography- would have been a real treat.
My favourite parts? When Michael was encouraging the guitar player to give it her all. He was telling her “this is your time to shine.” That sums Michael up, the loving caring man that I knew!! My other favourite part was when Michael was sucking on his lollipop whilst discussing work stuff with Kenny Ortega. Again, that was Michael through and through. Full of contradictions – child-like and yet completely on the ball – a genius. The funny thing is that he never even knew how remarkably talented he was, he just felt as if he was the vessel that all the great songs and dances were channelled through from God. A very humble man.
Could Michael have completed the 50 concert stint? No, I don’t think so. To me, as someone who knew Michael for quite some time, he did not look well in most of the footage. Reports of him looking amazing are greatly exaggerated in my opinion. He definitely did not look himself and he was far too thin for my liking.
Did the movie give much insight into Michael’s character? It is very difficult for me to say if the movie gives much insight (to the fans) into Michael’s character – he had so many dimensions. I personally don’t think it did. He was in work mode during the footage and I got the impression that his team (performers and backstage crew) were very much in awe and star-struck.
My experience of him is as an eternal prankster, always light-hearted and cracking jokes. I did not see enough of that. But again as I said, he was in work mode.
Was this a representation of the King at work? Again, no, I don’t think so. In my mind, Sony/AEG have skilfully put together footage of Michal’s rehearsals although I don’t think the movie tells much of a story. I would have liked to have seen more about how they started at the drawing board – the creative process.
I knew Michael Jackson, the man, the father and my dear friend. I did not know Michael the artist – the King of Pop – and how he made his ideas, dreams and vision come into fruition. I would have liked to have seen a video diary of how he felt, what he planned to do next, how he felt things were going with respect to the rehearsals etc. I suppose this would have revealed more of what Sony/AEG purposely chose to leave out – the circumstances surrounding his death.
What was Sony/AEG’s rational for releasing the footage? To be honest, I wasn’t sure at first. Infact, I’m still not entirely sure and my opinion on this changes day to day. Let’s discuss this! I guess it depends on what school of though you subscribe to. Those that believe that Michael was a victim of premeditated murder or exploited into carrying out concerts that he was never able to complete, may see this as a propaganda tool to show that Michael was in good form. This is a possibility. Others could see this as Sony/AEG jumping on the bandwagon and cashing in on Michael’s death. Again plausible. And lastly, it may have been as Kenny Ortega claims it to be – a chance for the fans to see what the London concerts would have been like with out having to hear about the dark side of his life and death. Again sounds reasonable. In reality the rational is probably a combination of all of the above – but to what degree, I don’t know – only time will tell.
Would I have seen it if I had to do it all again? Yes and No. Yes – because I would have kept on hearing about it and curiosity would have forced me into seeing it. No- because I found the movie deeply upsetting to watch and feel that it made me feel worse about Michael’s death. I was not emotionally ready to see the movie. Michael’s death is still very raw and I feel as if I have regressed in the mourning process as a result of watching it.
Don’t let my opinion stop you guys from watching it. I was a friend of Michael’s and as with our close friends, we can tell how they are feeling by their mannerisms and the way they carry themselves. We can read between the lines and pick up things that acquaintances can’t.
I spotted two sections in the movie where I knew Michael was feeling good and confident about the shows. It is hard for me to describe where that was because of the way the movie was cut i.e. not in a chronological time frame. In my view, it was when he was wearing the suit (the outfit he wore on his last rehearsal) and then the orange trousers with a gold jacket.
The section when he did the ‘penguin type’ move while singing Human Nature was Michael at his lowest point (as per the footage). I can’t watch it – it makes me cringe. I had to hide my face. He was clearly very thin and weak and did not look well in himself. It was embarrassing and nobody in the background seemed to notice that something was clearly wrong. It is impossible to know definitively when this was i.e. whether it was at the beginning of his stint of rehearsals or nearer the end. My guess is that it was around April time.
Final verdict. I think that this movie is aimed at ‘general’ Michael Jackson fans who appreciated his music and performances, but weren’t too fussed about Michael as a person or his personal life. Die-hard fans may find the movie a little upsetting.
For all of you ‘This is NOT it’ followers, I agree with and support the overall sentiment of the cause. Michael’s death was by no means natural and was definitely avoidable. Someone was very negligent and deserves to be punished. However, please don’t judge others that do go to see it. Everyone has their own motives for doing so.
What will I miss most about Michael? Our phone conversations. Me sat on the floor in my dressing gown, up against the radiator with a cup of tea chatting to the King of Pop. What did we talk about? Everything and nothing! We had this a funny conversation once at like two o’ clock in the morning. We were talking about what super powers we would chose to have. We both decided that we would like to be invisible and would like to be able to fly. Michael also said that he would love to be able to get to anyway in the world within seconds by beaming himself to where ever he wanted to go. I told him if he ever figures it out, to beam himself over to the other side of the ‘Pond’ (to UK, where I live) and we could hang out. Sadly, I only got to see him a couple of times a year because of that damned Pond between UK and US.
He knew that I am frightened to death of snakes and he was always so sweet when he was taking me around Neverland and kept on assuring me that he wouldn’t let any snakes get me. Sweet as pie that man!! Another time, I was looking through some photos and went to open a box that I guess he didn’t want me to see and he “there is a snake in there!” I freaked out and he was in absolute hysterics!!
In March this year on my birthday, he sang ‘Pretty Young Thing’ down the telephone to me. I cried, sooo soo very sweet!!
I’m also going to miss him winding me up and all the pranks he used to play. Shaking my can of coke so that I got soaked when I opened it. Ha, I got him back!! Man, I’m going to miss his rather amusing cockney accent – “can I have some fish and chips?”; “Would you like to come for tea?”
It’s so crazy because it is only since his death that I realised that he was the King of Pop. That sounds daft but he really was ‘my mate Michael’ to me. It freaks me out sometimes that I actually knew the most famous man on the planet. We (his mates) were very lucky to have him in our lives, I wish I hadn’t taken it for granted that he’d always be around. I can’t remember a time before I knew Michael.
I think there a lot of people out there with the power and means to do things like this maliciously. Throwing investigators (of both kind) off track and/or making fun of them.
People take the internet for granted because it is readily available. Heck, look at the history of conspiracies. In the past conspiracies were isolated and took a long time to spread. Nowadays you can convince people to follow you with all these theories with hardly no effort. There are so many lies online.
Always, without fail, THINK for yourself. Analyze information with intelligent fact finding and you will be better off.
To those doubting that this is real, please take note of what it says at the BOTTOM of the page:
"You may report errors and omissions on this page to the IMDb database managers. They will be examined and if approved will be included in a future update. Clicking the 'Update' button will take you through a step-by-step process."
Yes, users can report errors and "add" information that was left out but in the end, IMDB has to approve it. I do believe in everyone working to find if something is true or not, but don't be so quick to attempt a debunk at everything that comes along when proof like this is in your face. If IMDB was hacked, they would have known what was done during the hack and fixed it and still, today, Michael is listed as the director of this film so they have not done anything about it. That says a lot to me. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
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Michael Jackson ................ Himself <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
Conrad Murray .................. Himself (as Dr. Conrad Murray)
If you click see more, it tells you all his biography and the date of his death here is the link <!-- m -->http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/bio<!-- m -->
Does anyone have a phone number where you can contact this IMBD and speak with someone and have them explain why they wrote Michael Jackson Director? And why they wrote his date of death. It does not make sense. I tried to join but it gave me an error message I am not permitted to join due to my area. I live in Canada maybe I need to be American to join. I have no clue. At least if we get to the bottom of this once and for all we will know the truth, and stop speculating, is really true, or not! I am a little skeptical, the reason why, is the date of his death. Now, if someone in the U.S can investigate this futher that would be nice. I tried and cannot do it. Love and Blessings.
Sorry, but I see no relevance in the name of MJ as a director, may have been just a mistake that was not corrected for lack of attention, even if there is a documentary in production about this subject. There is also no details or a synopsis of the film, for example. From what I've noticed that he's seen dead in any articles or references to MJ on this website.
I'm not sure I understand your post. You see no connection? This documentary entered the IMDB in December 2009 as being in production and the director was not listed/left blank for months. The plot is clearly stated on the page. It is a documentary about the doctor who was placed under investigation in the wake of Michael Jackson's death. Not only is Michael Jackson now listed as the director (which we knew all along and discussed extensively on this site) but this documentary now appears on Michael Jackson's official IMDB page under his works as "director."
So, it is definitely OUR Michael Jackson that is listed as the director for this documentary about the doctor who was placed under investigation regarding Michael's "death." Anyway, I hope that helps you see the "connection and relevance."
The writing is on the wall! And as a friend of mine said, "the paint is drying!" LOL!
We love you, Mike! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Yes indeed! It certainly is ODD how since December 2009 that it was NOT listed this way. SO.....why now? Definitley something we need to keep an eye on! <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> Because if somebody was gonna do this for shits and giggles then they could have Been done it right? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
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Playing with us is the best hypothesis.
I feel strongly that Michael would never do somethng like this without an extremely important reason. He may be embellishing his main point of the hoax with "fireworks"
and fanfare but I don't think Michael would toy with his fans. We know how much he loves his fans. We know that he must hurt to think that he's upsetting his fans and that we've been distraught. He would not have done this if he didn't have to.
When I read about the details of his TII tour contract and other aspects of the music industry's despicable and criminal treatment of Michael, including the possible reprehensible behavior of many lawyers, I have to think that the primary reason for the hoax was very serious and MJ's life was in danger but he out-thought them all and will expose some incredible truths that will free many who are victims of unscrupulous practices. If Michael does come back we will all understand that this fake death was out of necessity. Some fans may remain incredulous no matter what, but I'm inclined to believe that most will understand and hail him a hero.
Otherwise, if I'm being too grandiose, then Michael does not plan to ever return in the flesh for the world to see, he's enjoying his freedom in private, which he deserves, and is simply letting those of us who believe that he is alive and well know that he is making movies just like he said he would. His true fans and devotees will understand it either way.
I'm still hoping that he's kicking butt and taking names! Time to expose these devils that will all come out through Conrad Murray's trial.
I like the way you think and express yourself....very well put!!
I too believe that Michael hoaxed this death because HE FELT HE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE....this was not a cavalier decision, by any means...and the relationship that Michael had with his fans was unprecedentedly close....a complete "Mutual Admiration Society", as they say...I believe he would NEVER want to put us through the pain and heartache of his death without absolute good cause....I think we need to make a Leap of Faith here....Trust that Michael knows what he is doing....there is NOTHING that he has done or will do during this Hoax that should surprise you....we are talking about Michael Jackson here....the most MAGICAL person to ever walk the planet! That being said, there is a part of me though that thinks that he should just stay hidden....to enjoy his privacy and his children....at age 50, he had already been working for nearly 40 years and living a life that would have taken down a lesser man....this was a man whose life held a grand purpose....he knew it, we knew it and if we patiently support him, I think we will learn the truth of what is going on. But again, great post, soldierofLOVE....you're a great writer!
Peace!
Remember that while some people use grandiose speeches or writing to say important things, MJ is an artistic performer and creator - it's what he does, and it's the medium he uses to convey his thoughts, feelings and messages. So, yes I think this is about much more than JUST a movie. He's used music and dance, in the main, up to now to tell us what he wanted us to know. But film was undoubtedly the direction his art was taking him, so to me it makes perfect sense that his message for the world now would be conveyed within movies. While I accept that he may have been in danger, I don't think his 'death' was in any way a hastily put together affair to deal with this danger. The message and the movie have, in my opinion, been a long time in planning.
Of course, I'm aware that I may be totally wrong on this, but it's what my heart has been telling me for a long time. It just makes simple sense to me, in what is often confusing and overwhelming in this hoax! And it seems like totally MJ's style!
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Paula, I did not say to punch Michael in the nose, I replied it to the other person, not to punch his gorgeous face and watch the nose..
i know, I was trying to make her laugh because she was upset. Which it is understandable. I wish this will be resolved a.s.a.p. Love and blessings
You guys are so nice, finally I learn to laugh a little during reading the forums - thanks to you!
You are very welcome I am glad I made you laugh, we need it time to time. When ever you are feeling low just IM me and I will be more than happy to make you laugh.. God bless you..
I agree with you wholeheartedly that MJ is much more trixier than people give him credit for. His smile at the end of his short film, Remember the Time, when he is trying to escape from the beefy, Egyptian guards says it all for me. His smile has a Puckish quality to me. I think that MJ is alot smarter than people ever have give him credit for. I think that he is a brillant genius capable all things great and small.
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New Orleans Metro Real Time News
Ex-bodyguard for Michael Jackson recalls a mischievous man and a loving family
Published: Tuesday, July 07, 2009, 9:29 PM Updated: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:47 PM
Lolis E Elie
As thousands of people gathered for a memorial service at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on Tuesday to mourn the King of Pop, Andre Menzies was at work in New Orleans, reminiscing about his days as one of Michael Jackson's bodyguards and remembering the superstar as a prankster, a perfectionist and a consummate performer.
"Just being with Michael was one of the best things I've ever done, " said Menzies, 55.
"When he would go sing 'Human Nature' or 'I'll Be There, ' it would be incredible, " Menzies recalled. "The whole entire stadium would be waving their arms."
Menzies, chief of security at Dillard University and a reserve officer with the New Orleans Police Department, started working with the Jackson family in 1984 for its "Victory" tour. Much of his memorabilia from those days was destroyed in the flooding after Hurricane Katrina.
"If it wasn't for Katrina, I would have had all kinds of stuff, " Menzies said. "I stayed friends with them (the Jackson family) until now. I still can't believe Michael's dead."
Menzies is one of a small coterie of New Orleanians with connections to the Jackson family. Marlon Jackson is married to Carol Parker, a New Orleanian. Wayne and Skip Nagin, cousins of New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, worked security for various members of the Jackson clan.
"I'm really just very distraught, " Skip Nagin said. "We all know Michael was a great entertainer, but I'd rather not speak on it right now."
It seems that Jermaine Jackson is the central figure in the Jackson connection to New Orleans. He hired Menzies and helped bring Jonathan "Sugarfoot" Moffett, a New Orleans drummer, to his brothers' attention. Moffett has become a fixture in the bands of all the Jackson brothers as well as those of pop stars Madonna and Elton John.
Jermaine Jackson also helped New Orleans twins Lolita Minor and Tarita Walker land roles in the 1992 television biography "The Jacksons: An American Dream."
Though Menzies was hired specifically to work as a bodyguard for Jermaine Jackson, roles on the "Victory" tour were fluid. Often Menzies would be reassigned to accompany Michael Jackson to a news conference or other events.
Jackson the prankster
While on that tour, he said he saw the Jackson family as warm and friendly, an image that is at odds with tabloid coverage.
Michael Jackson would often enlist his younger brother, Randy, as well as Menzies in one of his favorite pranks. Late at night, the trio would gather the room service trays left by guests in the hotel's hallway. Then they would target one of the other brothers and stack all the trays in front of his door.
"In the morning, when they had to run out, they would run into all those dishes, " Menzies said.
In later years, Jackson was dogged by allegations of child molestation, and the Jackson family has been accused of being dysfunctional.
From his limited vantage point, Menzies said he saw no evidence of either.
"The man was not a child molester, not a freak. He was just a genius that we will never find in an artist again in life, " Menzies said.
"Those guys didn't drink. They didn't smoke, they didn't use drugs. They were the best people in the world to work for. They made us feel like a million dollars, " Menzies said.
Pork and sweet potatoes
The Jacksons have another New Orleans tie: They ate at Dooky Chase restaurant on Orleans Avenue in the 1970s.
"At that time, they loved pork chops and they loved sweet potato pies, " chef Leah Chase said. "But as they grew older, they didn't eat pork chops anymore.
"I remember so well when they got to be about 14 or 15, they wanted wine. They wanted Fratelli Lambrusco, " she said, laughing.
Menzies, who said Snickers candy bars were another Jackson staple, recalled other light-hearted details. At one point on the "Victory" tour, Menzies said, Jermaine Jackson was supposed to place Michael's fedora on a microphone stand as his younger brother did his trademark moonwalk dance across the stage.
But one night, Michael Jackson finished his dance only to find Menzies' New York Yankees baseball cap on the stand where his own hat should have been.
"You should have seen Michael's face when he turned around and saw that hat, " Menzies recalled, laughing.
The dance that Michael Jackson made look so easy was a product of hard work as well as talent, Menzies said.
"He used to practice every night after the show, " Menzies said. "Everywhere we went, he would have to have a hardwood floor in his room so he could practice."
Another time, Menzies remembered, "we were in New York doing a show and Marlon took off his jacket and Michael threw it in the audience.
"That night, Jermaine said 'Michael, I love you. I love you to death. But if you take my jacket and throw it into the audience, I'm going to throw you right behind it.' "
Though the six-month "Victory" tour was the last time Menzies worked directly with Michael Jackson, he continued to work with Jermaine Jackson off and on for years.
"The last time I talked to Michael, it had to be years ago, " he said. "But I was keeping in touch with Jermaine. I kept up with them, where they were."
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Vivat Rex – Michael Jackson!!
I was at the premiere in London’s Leicester square on Tuesday. My verdict? The movie shows that if the concerts had happened, they would have been truly amazing – the King of Pop was a genius. Michael had added a dynamic and funky dimension to his performances. Fantastic dancers and musicians, breath-taking choreography- would have been a real treat.
My favourite parts? When Michael was encouraging the guitar player to give it her all. He was telling her “this is your time to shine.” That sums Michael up, the loving caring man that I knew!! My other favourite part was when Michael was sucking on his lollipop whilst discussing work stuff with Kenny Ortega. Again, that was Michael through and through. Full of contradictions – child-like and yet completely on the ball – a genius. The funny thing is that he never even knew how remarkably talented he was, he just felt as if he was the vessel that all the great songs and dances were channelled through from God. A very humble man.
Could Michael have completed the 50 concert stint? No, I don’t think so. To me, as someone who knew Michael for quite some time, he did not look well in most of the footage. Reports of him looking amazing are greatly exaggerated in my opinion. He definitely did not look himself and he was far too thin for my liking.
Did the movie give much insight into Michael’s character? It is very difficult for me to say if the movie gives much insight (to the fans) into Michael’s character – he had so many dimensions. I personally don’t think it did. He was in work mode during the footage and I got the impression that his team (performers and backstage crew) were very much in awe and star-struck.
My experience of him is as an eternal prankster, always light-hearted and cracking jokes. I did not see enough of that. But again as I said, he was in work mode.
Was this a representation of the King at work? Again, no, I don’t think so. In my mind, Sony/AEG have skilfully put together footage of Michal’s rehearsals although I don’t think the movie tells much of a story. I would have liked to have seen more about how they started at the drawing board – the creative process.
I knew Michael Jackson, the man, the father and my dear friend. I did not know Michael the artist – the King of Pop – and how he made his ideas, dreams and vision come into fruition. I would have liked to have seen a video diary of how he felt, what he planned to do next, how he felt things were going with respect to the rehearsals etc. I suppose this would have revealed more of what Sony/AEG purposely chose to leave out – the circumstances surrounding his death.
What was Sony/AEG’s rational for releasing the footage? To be honest, I wasn’t sure at first. Infact, I’m still not entirely sure and my opinion on this changes day to day. Let’s discuss this! I guess it depends on what school of though you subscribe to. Those that believe that Michael was a victim of premeditated murder or exploited into carrying out concerts that he was never able to complete, may see this as a propaganda tool to show that Michael was in good form. This is a possibility. Others could see this as Sony/AEG jumping on the bandwagon and cashing in on Michael’s death. Again plausible. And lastly, it may have been as Kenny Ortega claims it to be – a chance for the fans to see what the London concerts would have been like with out having to hear about the dark side of his life and death. Again sounds reasonable. In reality the rational is probably a combination of all of the above – but to what degree, I don’t know – only time will tell.
Would I have seen it if I had to do it all again? Yes and No. Yes – because I would have kept on hearing about it and curiosity would have forced me into seeing it. No- because I found the movie deeply upsetting to watch and feel that it made me feel worse about Michael’s death. I was not emotionally ready to see the movie. Michael’s death is still very raw and I feel as if I have regressed in the mourning process as a result of watching it.
Don’t let my opinion stop you guys from watching it. I was a friend of Michael’s and as with our close friends, we can tell how they are feeling by their mannerisms and the way they carry themselves. We can read between the lines and pick up things that acquaintances can’t.
I spotted two sections in the movie where I knew Michael was feeling good and confident about the shows. It is hard for me to describe where that was because of the way the movie was cut i.e. not in a chronological time frame. In my view, it was when he was wearing the suit (the outfit he wore on his last rehearsal) and then the orange trousers with a gold jacket.
The section when he did the ‘penguin type’ move while singing Human Nature was Michael at his lowest point (as per the footage). I can’t watch it – it makes me cringe. I had to hide my face. He was clearly very thin and weak and did not look well in himself. It was embarrassing and nobody in the background seemed to notice that something was clearly wrong. It is impossible to know definitively when this was i.e. whether it was at the beginning of his stint of rehearsals or nearer the end. My guess is that it was around April time.
Final verdict. I think that this movie is aimed at ‘general’ Michael Jackson fans who appreciated his music and performances, but weren’t too fussed about Michael as a person or his personal life. Die-hard fans may find the movie a little upsetting.
For all of you ‘This is NOT it’ followers, I agree with and support the overall sentiment of the cause. Michael’s death was by no means natural and was definitely avoidable. Someone was very negligent and deserves to be punished. However, please don’t judge others that do go to see it. Everyone has their own motives for doing so.
What will I miss most about Michael? Our phone conversations. Me sat on the floor in my dressing gown, up against the radiator with a cup of tea chatting to the King of Pop. What did we talk about? Everything and nothing! We had this a funny conversation once at like two o’ clock in the morning. We were talking about what super powers we would chose to have. We both decided that we would like to be invisible and would like to be able to fly. Michael also said that he would love to be able to get to anyway in the world within seconds by beaming himself to where ever he wanted to go. I told him if he ever figures it out, to beam himself over to the other side of the ‘Pond’ (to UK, where I live) and we could hang out. Sadly, I only got to see him a couple of times a year because of that damned Pond between UK and US.
He knew that I am frightened to death of snakes and he was always so sweet when he was taking me around Neverland and kept on assuring me that he wouldn’t let any snakes get me. Sweet as pie that man!! Another time, I was looking through some photos and went to open a box that I guess he didn’t want me to see and he “there is a snake in there!” I freaked out and he was in absolute hysterics!!
In March this year on my birthday, he sang ‘Pretty Young Thing’ down the telephone to me. I cried, sooo soo very sweet!!
I’m also going to miss him winding me up and all the pranks he used to play. Shaking my can of coke so that I got soaked when I opened it. Ha, I got him back!! Man, I’m going to miss his rather amusing cockney accent – “can I have some fish and chips?”; “Would you like to come for tea?”
It’s so crazy because it is only since his death that I realised that he was the King of Pop. That sounds daft but he really was ‘my mate Michael’ to me. It freaks me out sometimes that I actually knew the most famous man on the planet. We (his mates) were very lucky to have him in our lives, I wish I hadn’t taken it for granted that he’d always be around. I can’t remember a time before I knew Michael.
Vivat Rex!!!!
Susan xx
People take the internet for granted because it is readily available. Heck, look at the history of conspiracies. In the past conspiracies were isolated and took a long time to spread. Nowadays you can convince people to follow you with all these theories with hardly no effort. There are so many lies online.
Always, without fail, THINK for yourself. Analyze information with intelligent fact finding and you will be better off.
"You may report errors and omissions on this page to the IMDb database managers. They will be examined and if approved will be included in a future update. Clicking the 'Update' button will take you through a step-by-step process."
Yes, users can report errors and "add" information that was left out but in the end, IMDB has to approve it. I do believe in everyone working to find if something is true or not, but don't be so quick to attempt a debunk at everything that comes along when proof like this is in your face. If IMDB was hacked, they would have known what was done during the hack and fixed it and still, today, Michael is listed as the director of this film so they have not done anything about it. That says a lot to me. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
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DID YOU GUYS SEE THIS:
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Conrad Murray .................. Himself (as Dr. Conrad Murray)
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Does anyone have a phone number where you can contact this IMBD and speak with someone and have them explain why they wrote Michael Jackson Director? And why they wrote his date of death. It does not make sense. I tried to join but it gave me an error message I am not permitted to join due to my area. I live in Canada maybe I need to be American to join. I have no clue. At least if we get to the bottom of this once and for all we will know the truth, and stop speculating, is really true, or not! I am a little skeptical, the reason why, is the date of his death. Now, if someone in the U.S can investigate this futher that would be nice. I tried and cannot do it. Love and Blessings.