How can hands so change ?

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  • SEHFSEHF Posts: 954
    rofl my hands look nothing like they did when i was a kid either. i must have a body double
  • Each and every one of these pictures are Michael. The same Michael that began in Gary, In. as a six year old little boy. It's all Michael. Your hands can change over the course of time with age, weight fluctuation, arthritic conditions, and in his case, loss of pigmentation. They can look different in photographs because of angles, lighting and so forth.

    He was never replaced by another Michael. Michael has always been Michael.

    In TII, it was all Michael. In these pics, it's all Mike.

    See but you don't really know if that is true or not. None of us do. You speak very confidently but I sense you are compensating for some insecurity here. Rightfully so I'll add.

    I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude, but I'm just going to have to say 'whatever' to that.

    Why do you say whatever?

    To be direct, I replied with 'whatever' because, quite frankly, I found your post to me rude and insulting.
  • scorpionchikscorpionchik Posts: 2,669
    But on Arena 02 picture I clearly see brownish nails MJ has because of vitiligo and swollen little finger from artritis. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
  • sunburstsunburst Posts: 85

    not to start a fight or doubt your personal knowledge, but just playing devil's advocate...

    In TII, the man you see performing is Michael Jackson. In each song and dance rehearsal, it's Michael Jackson. There are no doubles, fill ins, substitutes, stand ins or any other person pretending to be Michael Jackson. It is all 100% Michael Jackson. Whether wearing black pants, blue pants, orange pants, or whatever color pants, it is Michael Jackson.

    blame Joe, he was the one who started the doubles talk in TII.
    <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    Michael was excited about the tour, about performing again, and he was not unhealthy.

    what about the youtube video where he was complaining about the 50 shows? many fans have seen it, but it was taken down before anyone could download a copy.

    this, too.

    "The Newshound can today reveal that despite having been captured on camera arriving in London, Jackson still attempted to pull out of his press conference."

    "The Newshound can exclusively reveal that Jackson had barricaded himself in his hotel room and spent several hours refusing to attend the press conference. Minders were forced to stand in the hotel corridor and plead with him through the door to his room. By the time he was persuaded to leave, he was already significantly late for the announcement."

    more here:
    <!-- m -->http://lowlynewshound.blogspot.com/2010 ... press.html<!-- m -->

    other stories about how RP would get pissed because MJ was not attending rehearsals, and they would have a not-so-nice phone conversation, and then MJ would come and just to show Randy he held no grudge, he would tap RP on the back when he passes him by.


    His weight wasn't 90 or 100 pounds. The last time I saw him - a little over a month before he died, or whatever the hell it was he did-, he looked to me to be about 130-140. He was happy, his kids were happy, and he was on top of the damned world. He was lucid. He was energetic. He was the freaking happiest I'd seen him in a very long time. The cloud that seemed to have hovered over him during the years since the trial was finally completely gone.

    if you saw him last in May last year, TINI says they saw him right up till last rehearsal day, and he was skin and bones. not saying they're right because how would i know? but that's another story out there. there's the movie, though, and i didn't see a man weighing 130-140 pounds. he still looked very thin despite several layers of shirts.

    all i'm saying is that if this is a smoke-and-mirrors kind of thing, we can never really be sure about what we're seeing, and i am not even referring to a double. things could have changed since the last time you saw him, or he could have been giving you that impression when the truth might be that he was having problems with AEG.

  • Each and every one of these pictures are Michael. The same Michael that began in Gary, In. as a six year old little boy. It's all Michael. Your hands can change over the course of time with age, weight fluctuation, arthritic conditions, and in his case, loss of pigmentation. They can look different in photographs because of angles, lighting and so forth.

    He was never replaced by another Michael. Michael has always been Michael.

    In TII, it was all Michael. In these pics, it's all Mike.

    See but you don't really know if that is true or not. None of us do. You speak very confidently but I sense you are compensating for some insecurity here. Rightfully so I'll add.


    Bec...that was not very nice of you to say. Did you read Callofthewild's post above? He/She does know Michael and had seen him just a month before he left us. Please try to not judge people, as you never know who they might really be and what they might know.

    LOVE to All!

    Well it's been my experience that people lie a lot on the internet.


    I understand that people lie on the internet. But that does not mean everyone who says something about Michael is lying. I see this all the time on this forum, people discrediting things people say without knowing for sure that these people might know what they are talking about. I see people all the time talking about being fooled by trolls, and people posing as Michael, or someone close to him. Well you can only be fooled as far as you let yourself be fooled. If you take in all the details and keep an open mind, while thinking for yourself. You will not be drawn into their web. You can only be manipulated, as far as you let yourself be manipulated and fooled.

    I feel bad for some people who post and immediately they are ridiculed as being a liar, or not knowing what they are talking about. What would people feel like if they found out that the person they did that to was Michael? In closing, it's my prayer that this MJ family can think a little before they so quickly criticize or discredit what another person says. You wouldn't like it done to you I'm sure! It's all for LOVE! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

  • not to start a fight or doubt your personal knowledge, but just playing devil's advocate...

    In TII, the man you see performing is Michael Jackson. In each song and dance rehearsal, it's Michael Jackson. There are no doubles, fill ins, substitutes, stand ins or any other person pretending to be Michael Jackson. It is all 100% Michael Jackson. Whether wearing black pants, blue pants, orange pants, or whatever color pants, it is Michael Jackson.

    blame Joe, he was the one who started the doubles talk in TII.
    <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    Michael was excited about the tour, about performing again, and he was not unhealthy.

    what about the youtube video where he was complaining about the 50 shows? many fans have seen it, but it was taken down before anyone could download a copy.

    this, too.

    "The Newshound can today reveal that despite having been captured on camera arriving in London, Jackson still attempted to pull out of his press conference."

    "The Newshound can exclusively reveal that Jackson had barricaded himself in his hotel room and spent several hours refusing to attend the press conference. Minders were forced to stand in the hotel corridor and plead with him through the door to his room. By the time he was persuaded to leave, he was already significantly late for the announcement."

    more here:
    <!-- m -->http://lowlynewshound.blogspot.com/2010 ... press.html<!-- m -->

    other stories about how RP would get pissed because MJ was not attending rehearsals, and they would have a not-so-nice phone conversation, and then MJ would come and just to show Randy he held no grudge, he would tap RP on the back when he passes him by.


    His weight wasn't 90 or 100 pounds. The last time I saw him - a little over a month before he died, or whatever the hell it was he did-, he looked to me to be about 130-140. He was happy, his kids were happy, and he was on top of the damned world. He was lucid. He was energetic. He was the freaking happiest I'd seen him in a very long time. The cloud that seemed to have hovered over him during the years since the trial was finally completely gone.

    if you saw him last in May last year, TINI says they saw him right up till last rehearsal day, and he was skin and bones. not saying they're right because how would i know? but that's another story out there. there's the movie, though, and i didn't see a man weighing 130-140 pounds. he still looked very thin despite several layers of shirts.

    all i'm saying is that if this is a smoke-and-mirrors kind of thing, we can never really be sure about what we're seeing, and i am not even referring to a double. things could have changed since the last time you saw him, or he could have been giving you that impression when the truth might be that he was having problems with AEG.


    I can't tell you why Joe would say that wasn't Michael. I'm sorry I don't have a better answer for you, but I don't. Why does Joe say a lot of what Joe says? Editing to add text here: A lot of people pegged Mike as an enigma. Joe is really the enigma, or the one who can't be figured out. He says/does the most random things at the most inopportune times, yet he's smart as a fox. All I can say about Joe is, Joe is Joe, and LaToya is just like her father.

    I've never seen the video of him complaining about doing fifty shows. I know he said he was excited about getting back on stage. Those were his words, not mine. Was he lying? Presenting a facade? It's possible, but I don't believe so. As for that media report, I've never seen it, nor do I put much faith in most of what I read about Mike. I don't know about his relationship with Randy Phillips or AEG. I didn't delve into his business. That was not the nature of my relationship with him. (The Randy I was referring to was his brother Randy).

    I don't know who TINI is, or when he/she saw Mike, but the Michael Jackson I saw, conversed with, and hugged goodbye, the man I've known for nearly thirty five years, wasn't 'skin and bones'. Thin? Yes. Strong? Yes. But skin and bones? No. Fragile? No. Did he lose twenty or thirty pounds in a little over a month? I don't know. I doubt it. I know he was working out as it was mentioned in conversation. Could I be overestimating his weight by a few pounds based on my visual assessment? It's possible. I didn't demand he get on a scale to verify the numbers, but he was at least 130 when I saw him. He looked fine to me in TII. He wasn't anorexic. He wasn't sickly. He was vivacious. He was energetic and focused. He certainly wasn't drugged, or under the influence.
  • sunburstsunburst Posts: 85

    I can't tell you why Joe would say that wasn't Michael. I'm sorry I don't have a better answer for you, but I don't. Why does Joe say a lot of what Joe says? Editing to add text here: A lot of people pegged Mike as an enigma. Joe is really the enigma, or the one who can't be figured out. He says/does the most random things at the most inopportune times, yet he's smart as a fox. All I can say about Joe is, Joe is Joe, and LaToya is just like her father.

    I've never seen the video of him complaining about doing fifty shows. I know he said he was excited about getting back on stage. Those were his words, not mine. Was he lying? Presenting a facade? It's possible, but I don't believe so. As for that media report, I've never seen it, nor do I put much faith in most of what I read about Mike. I don't know about his relationship with Randy Phillips or AEG. I didn't delve into his business. That was not the nature of my relationship with him. (The Randy I was referring to was his brother Randy).

    I don't know who TINI is, or when he/she saw Mike, but the Michael Jackson I saw, conversed with, and hugged goodbye, the man I've known for nearly thirty five years, wasn't 'skin and bones'. Thin? Yes. Strong? Yes. But skin and bones? No. Fragile? No. Did he lose twenty or thirty pounds in a little over a month? I don't know. I doubt it. I know he was working out as it was mentioned in conversation. Could I be overestimating his weight by a few pounds based on my visual assessment? It's possible. I didn't demand he get on a scale to verify the numbers, but he was at least 130 when I saw him. He looked fine to me in TII. He wasn't anorexic. He wasn't sickly. He was vivacious. He was energetic and focused. He certainly wasn't drugged, or under the influence.

    oh, so you're not in the investigative loop, so to speak. thank you for sharing your perspective.
  • mjj4ever777mjj4ever777 Posts: 1,467
    I call the guy at the 02 announcement..."Michael"!! I have always thought it was him as well as all the Michael's in TII. As mentioned there are many aspects that can make someone look different. Lighting, angels...etc..I have often looked at pictures or watched TII and thought to myself...to what extent would our genius go to, to make people think there was more than one of him? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> Because while I think it is Michael, I do admit he does have different looks at times. There are many different looks of Michael in TII, but I think he has created these looks for a reason! This is the Greatest Show on Earth!! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    Let me remind you, (and I have said this before but it seems to get ignored) that Michael is a genius....he is a master of illusion...master of disguises...what makes anyone think that he could not pull of different techniques to make the illusion that there was more than one of him? I believe Michael is capable of anything!! I believe he is in control of every aspect of this hoax, and that everyone involved gets their ques from Michael, but that's my opinion <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> I LOVE you Michael and appreciate YOU for the man you are, for your compassion for others, & most of all... for your LOVE! God Bless You!! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    LOVE, PEACE, Joy, & BLESSINGS to ALL! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    I agree with you 100%! I think that everything we have seen, all the different "looks", the different "characters", are all a part of Michael's "plan". His genius, is endless! I truly believe that there is nothing that Michael can't do! I don't think that we should ever underestimate his capabilities!

    Callofthewild, i would just like to say thank you once again, for your "straight forward" and very "informative" information! God Bless you for that. To me it is obvious that what you say is the "truth" as you have spoken with the passion of someone who knows Michael, better then any of us here, that's for sure!

    I think that all of us here need to open our eyes and our hearts to callofthewild, as he/she didn't need to offer us any information, but he/she did and how often in the last 13 months has that happened? Yes, there are many people who "claim" to know Michael or something about Michael and they are usually "fakes", but I truly believe that this time, we have been offered some "real" information, so I think we should be appreciative of that. If you don't believe in what Callofthewild is saying, then that is fine, but please, if you disagree, at least disagree with "Politeness". There is no need to be insulting or rude to anyone, at anytime! Remember my friends, you never know who is watching and reading these posts, so lets treat others like we ourselves would like to be treated. Think before you speak and always do everything with love.
    We need to remember that "everything" happens for a reason, so please, don't be so quick to judge others!

    Thanks again Callofthewild...god Bless You! Michael is truly a gift from God and I am so glad that I have had this chance to help spread love and awareness to others. in the end, all will be "revealed" and the "Truth will Prevail!" Until then, keep spreading the Love! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
    To my friend Michael...I love you most!..."Heart" To "Heart" <3
    Dayna
  • becbec Posts: 6,387
    Time out. Show me where I criticized, was not nice to, or ridiculed anyone.

    I simply said this person doesn't know for sure, same as the rest of us. I do feel if you're that confident about something that NO ONE knows the truth regarding, then you're likely compensating for feeling insecure about it. That's not an insult in my opinion. I don't know why anyone would take that as an insult.

    Shit, I'm insecure as hell regarding a lot of aspects of this hoax. Aren't YOU?

    Yeah there's a lot of nastiness on these hoax boards so I kind of get it. But I wasn't being nasty. You guys jumped to conclusions on me.

  • not to start a fight or doubt your personal knowledge, but just playing devil's advocate...

    In TII, the man you see performing is Michael Jackson. In each song and dance rehearsal, it's Michael Jackson. There are no doubles, fill ins, substitutes, stand ins or any other person pretending to be Michael Jackson. It is all 100% Michael Jackson. Whether wearing black pants, blue pants, orange pants, or whatever color pants, it is Michael Jackson.

    blame Joe, he was the one who started the doubles talk in TII.
    <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    Michael was excited about the tour, about performing again, and he was not unhealthy.

    what about the youtube video where he was complaining about the 50 shows? many fans have seen it, but it was taken down before anyone could download a copy.

    this, too.

    "The Newshound can today reveal that despite having been captured on camera arriving in London, Jackson still attempted to pull out of his press conference."

    "The Newshound can exclusively reveal that Jackson had barricaded himself in his hotel room and spent several hours refusing to attend the press conference. Minders were forced to stand in the hotel corridor and plead with him through the door to his room. By the time he was persuaded to leave, he was already significantly late for the announcement."

    more here:
    <!-- m -->http://lowlynewshound.blogspot.com/2010 ... press.html<!-- m -->

    other stories about how RP would get pissed because MJ was not attending rehearsals, and they would have a not-so-nice phone conversation, and then MJ would come and just to show Randy he held no grudge, he would tap RP on the back when he passes him by.


    His weight wasn't 90 or 100 pounds. The last time I saw him - a little over a month before he died, or whatever the hell it was he did-, he looked to me to be about 130-140. He was happy, his kids were happy, and he was on top of the damned world. He was lucid. He was energetic. He was the freaking happiest I'd seen him in a very long time. The cloud that seemed to have hovered over him during the years since the trial was finally completely gone.

    if you saw him last in May last year, TINI says they saw him right up till last rehearsal day, and he was skin and bones. not saying they're right because how would i know? but that's another story out there. there's the movie, though, and i didn't see a man weighing 130-140 pounds. he still looked very thin despite several layers of shirts.

    all i'm saying is that if this is a smoke-and-mirrors kind of thing, we can never really be sure about what we're seeing, and i am not even referring to a double. things could have changed since the last time you saw him, or he could have been giving you that impression when the truth might be that he was having problems with AEG.


    I can't tell you why Joe would say that wasn't Michael. I'm sorry I don't have a better answer for you, but I don't. Why does Joe say a lot of what Joe says? Editing to add text here: A lot of people pegged Mike as an enigma. Joe is really the enigma, or the one who can't be figured out. He says/does the most random things at the most inopportune times, yet he's smart as a fox. All I can say about Joe is, Joe is Joe, and LaToya is just like her father.

    I've never seen the video of him complaining about doing fifty shows. I know he said he was excited about getting back on stage. Those were his words, not mine. Was he lying? Presenting a facade? It's possible, but I don't believe so. As for that media report, I've never seen it, nor do I put much faith in most of what I read about Mike. I don't know about his relationship with Randy Phillips or AEG. I didn't delve into his business. That was not the nature of my relationship with him. (The Randy I was referring to was his brother Randy).

    I don't know who TINI is, or when he/she saw Mike, but the Michael Jackson I saw, conversed with, and hugged goodbye, the man I've known for nearly thirty five years, wasn't 'skin and bones'. Thin? Yes. Strong? Yes. But skin and bones? No. Fragile? No. Did he lose twenty or thirty pounds in a little over a month? I don't know. I doubt it. I know he was working out as it was mentioned in conversation. Could I be overestimating his weight by a few pounds based on my visual assessment? It's possible. I didn't demand he get on a scale to verify the numbers, but he was at least 130 when I saw him. He looked fine to me in TII. He wasn't anorexic. He wasn't sickly. He was vivacious. He was energetic and focused. He certainly wasn't drugged, or under the influence.
    Call of the wild, I'll have to stop you right there. I don't know what argument is going on here but I saw that video in question, the one where MJ says he only signed on for 10 and woke up to 50. I saw it twice before they took it down and it haunts me till today. I think about it all the time. The person who made that vid is sitting pretty on lots of cash given by AEG to keep it down or it's going to surface at trial and is in evidence. I saw it. Another thing, MJ could have said he was excited. When asked how you are doing, even if you are having a horrible day we all say "good." Has MJ ever admitted to being afraid to anyone? During his trial, did he ever tell anyone anything negative? Of course he would say he was excited, that's part of his problem, he never shared his fears with anyone...he internalized everything and suffered alone! Vitiligo, Lupus, he never appeared weak. What would the media do with a man who didn't think he could complete 50 concerts or who was afraid he couldn't live up to everyone's expectations of him?. And the man was not 140 pounds.
  • Time out. Show me where I criticized, was not nice to, or ridiculed anyone.

    I simply said this person doesn't know for sure, same as the rest of us. I do feel if you're that confident about something that NO ONE knows the truth regarding, then you're likely compensating for feeling insecure about it. That's not an insult in my opinion. I don't know why anyone would take that as an insult.


    Your above statement you don't think is ridiculing callofthewild? If you would have read His/Her posts you would know that they indeed know Michael and had spent time with Michael before he disappeared. It's almost as if you were calling him/her a liar, as you didn't think he knew what he was talking about. Which leads me to the response below...YOU are INSECURE regarding this hoax, so there is your answer to your questions about thinking everyone could be lying. Because you are insecure so you dismiss what others have to say. And to answer your question; no I am not insecure about this hoax. I am sitting back, soaking up information, making changes to the woman in the mirror & the planet we live on, and waiting to see what happens next. I have nothing to feel insecure about, if you ever want to talk to someone about how you feel please pm me and I would love to listen! I do not mean to hurt anyone, but I also don't like seeing others hurt as well! It's all for LOVE...Hugs & Blessing to all! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->


    "Shit, I'm insecure as hell regarding a lot of aspects of this hoax. Aren't YOU?"


    Yeah there's a lot of nastiness on these hoax boards so I kind of get it. But I wasn't being nasty. You guys jumped to conclusions on me.
  • Time out. Show me where I criticized, was not nice to, or ridiculed anyone.

    I simply said this person doesn't know for sure, same as the rest of us. I do feel if you're that confident about something that NO ONE knows the truth regarding, then you're likely compensating for feeling insecure about it. That's not an insult in my opinion. I don't know why anyone would take that as an insult.

    Shit, I'm insecure as hell regarding a lot of aspects of this hoax. Aren't YOU?

    Yeah there's a lot of nastiness on these hoax boards so I kind of get it. But I wasn't being nasty. You guys jumped to conclusions on me.

    Bec, I understand your apprehension and I don't think anyone can blame you for wanting proof beyond doubt. It's been a long, emotional 13+ months and we are all tired of people who claim to be in the know. I have always appreciated your bold approach to finding the truth.

    We've all seen our emotions go from very low to very high back to low. We want Michael back. We want to know that he's okay. We want justice to be served. We want the media to retract all of the horrible things they've published over the years. We want Sneddon to stand trial for destroying the reputation of an innocent man. We want the media to leave the children alone. We don't want to be deceived. We want Jermaine to stop taking Michael's accolade as he is talented in his own right. Etc, etc, etc.

    It appears that you perceive this persons confidence as an overcompensation for insecurity. However, it could possibly be the opposite. It could be that this person, callofthewild, is confident because he/she knows the truth. He isn't making up wild stories about water fights and KFC at midnight. You know, the ones that people think we want to hear. His proof to me is in the lack of filler content. I try to keep in mind that the truth always prevails in the end. It's okay to take a step back and see how it plays out because sooner or later a liar will always get caught in their own trap.

    I would like to end by saying that I don't feel in my heart that this will be the case this time. But time will tell. You've been patient all of these months, please don't get discouraged or think you are being picked on. We are on your side. Blessings to you.
  • becbec Posts: 6,387
    Time out. Show me where I criticized, was not nice to, or ridiculed anyone.

    I simply said this person doesn't know for sure, same as the rest of us. I do feel if you're that confident about something that NO ONE knows the truth regarding, then you're likely compensating for feeling insecure about it. That's not an insult in my opinion. I don't know why anyone would take that as an insult.


    Your above statement you don't think is ridiculing callofthewild? If you would have read His/Her posts you would know that they indeed know Michael and had spent time with Michael before he disappeared. It's almost as if you were calling him/her a liar, as you didn't think he knew what he was talking about. Which leads me to the response below...YOU are INSECURE regarding this hoax, so there is your answer to your questions about thinking everyone could be lying. Because you are insecure so you dismiss what others have to say. And to answer your question; no I am not insecure about this hoax. I am sitting back, soaking up information, making changes to the woman in the mirror & the planet we live on, and waiting to see what happens next. I have nothing to feel insecure about, if you ever want to talk to someone about how you feel please pm me and I would love to listen! I do not mean to hurt anyone, but I also don't like seeing others hurt as well! It's all for LOVE...Hugs & Blessing to all! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->


    "Shit, I'm insecure as hell regarding a lot of aspects of this hoax. Aren't YOU?"


    Yeah there's a lot of nastiness on these hoax boards so I kind of get it. But I wasn't being nasty. You guys jumped to conclusions on me.

    That's a totally sweet post, thank you! But I think I'm failing to properly express myself. I was referring to being insecure about what are truths and what aren't regarding details and finer aspects of this hoax, like for example TII and doubles. I think these things will be debated until Michael comes back and tells us himself. No one on a message board is going to clear that up just cuz he/she says it's so. We just don't know, you know?

    Now, someone wants to put up some proof to go with their words, then we're talking and in business.

    and Ps. guys, there's no attack here. Just convo.
  • becbec Posts: 6,387
    Voiceforthesilent, thanks very much. I'm taken aback at how kind you were to me.
  • Voiceforthesilent, thanks very much. I'm taken aback at how kind you were to me.

    It's because you deserve to be treated nicely. Have a blessed night Bec.
  • PinkTopazPinkTopaz Posts: 1,013

    That's a totally sweet post, thank you! But I think I'm failing to properly express myself. I was referring to being insecure about what are truths and what aren't regarding details and finer aspects of this hoax, like for example TII and doubles. I think these things will be debated until Michael comes back and tells us himself. No one on a message board is going to clear that up just cuz he/she says it's so. We just don't know, you know?

    Now, someone wants to put up some proof to go with their words, then we're talking and in business.

    and Ps. guys, there's no attack here. Just convo.
    What's in bold, Bec, I agree completely. Back when I didn't want to think that there were doubles at all, I used all of the power of suggestion I could from the board and I still couldn't see that dancing, those little shoulders, that face, as the real Michael Jackson.. In my view, that is not him- unless MJ himself shows me that it is, and not with just words..
  • sunburstsunburst Posts: 85
    i think we're barking at the wrong tree. callofthewild has said she hasn't delved into the Mike-AEG business (unlike us who are all nosy <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> , she doesn't know about TINI (they're the 'followers' and the group who started the call for MJ justice), she hasn't read much or didn't believe most of the MJ write-ups, and it seems she's never heard the story of Mike complaining about the 50 shows. (huh?) for sure, she says she hasn't seen the video. ( i haven't too.)

    so maybe she's just here as Michael's friend, to defend him where she can (though we all love Mike here, for sure.)

    still, given all of the above, i also think it's a bit carrying it too far when she states with absolute certainty that that was all Mike in the movie.

    I'm sorry you find it hard to believe, but it's all Michael in TII.

    In TII, the man you see performing is Michael Jackson. In each song and dance rehearsal, it's Michael Jackson. There are no doubles, fill ins, substitutes, stand ins or any other person pretending to be Michael Jackson. It is all 100% Michael Jackson. Whether wearing black pants, blue pants, orange pants, or whatever color pants, it is Michael Jackson.



    callofthewild, i'm not saying you're wrong, but considering that you seem to know very little of what's happening in hoax city, how could you know for sure? such strong statements need tangible support, methinks.
  • nefarinefari Posts: 1,227
    Just for the sake of speculating I wonder is it possible LMP, Debbie or Lou Ferrigno are on this forum?
  • DatrootDatroot Posts: 1,314
    I'm not calling anyone a liar either but surely its natural for some of us to be wary of people who say they know MJ - I mean how do we know they know/knew him just because they say so? It may or may not be true - after all this time, I am still a skeptic who relies on proof to believe 100%. I believe in my own mind that MJ is still alive but I need that extra bit of proof to know for sure - as we all do.
  • HopelessHopeless Posts: 278
    Oh..i only want a serious discussion about the differences, but i feel it was a emotional theme....sorry !

    I respect every feeling and i by myself am sure that also in TII it wsn't all one Michael. The one who began with the Jackson 5 medley...yes Michael, he had the joy in his eyes and seems not so thin as the other, he was strong and fit and his....don't know the word...aura...was very nice !

    So, again the hands.
    OK, i am have had also thought about the camera perspective, the light, the age, the arthritis....BUT:

    I can't find one pic with Michael and longer fingers at the trial 2005.

    I can't find one pic from Michael in early years untill of the wall with shorter fingers.

    Both hands are absolut different.
    The slender hand: the fingers are longer then the hand without fingers....don't know how to explain... The lenghth can't change...fingers can swollen and locking older but in the ratio finger/ hand dosn't change.

    The breadth of both hands is different.

    The stronger hand has fingers that are as long as the hand, means shorter.

    LaToya has the slender hand too, i think Janet too. I have to look about the hands of the brothers.....

    So, i believe it can't be a illusion...then it would be more mixed pics from both hands at the same event.

    Greetings !!! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
  • DatrootDatroot Posts: 1,314
    I have noticed the difference in finger length too but didn't bother posting as people get to upset at the thought of MJ using a double that I didn't want to upset the applecart again but as this thread is being quite civilised, I am posting what I think here.
  • HopelessHopeless Posts: 278
    Thank you Datroot.
    I would like to read what is your impression.
    I noticed the difference by watching Photo Books..." Early years " and " Never can say good bye " . Both books only show pics with the slender hands...not even one other pic and that is weird. Pics at the Memorial and the funeral...slender hands.
    Coincidence ?
  • nefarinefari Posts: 1,227
    Hopeless I agree totally. Something changed and not just arthritis or something like that. Michael has a distinct left ear marking/shape though, almost an M shape near the lobe and I saw that same ear from childhood/J5 on through the HIStory era BUT there were a few times in the BAD era I did not see that ear though. I feel like I'm in Romper Room. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • DatrootDatroot Posts: 1,314
    I have noticed the differences in photos over the years - I have seen a couple of pics at least where MJ's fingers look quite 'chubby' compared to others taken around the same time. Its really just a general observation of mine without going into too much investigation.
  • SangreSangre Posts: 648
    MJ has eyes that never lie. Why focus on hands when you could just look into his deep chocolate eyes?

    And as for hands, I should show you pics of mine and I can guarantee you, despite what you see on those pictures I am 100% me. <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
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