Ryden painting...

aliciaa671aliciaa671 Posts: 29
edited January 1970 in General Hoax Investigation
I'm not into the whole #'s theory, but figured I'd post this for those of you that are...

http://joshualinergallery.com/artists/mark_ryden/selectedworks/110/detail/ryden_michael_jackson/

Sorry if a repost.
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  • all4loveandbelieveall4loveandbelieve Posts: 4,455
    I may be wrong but it seems Michael had a broken heart from a woman. Why did the paintor painted him as a mouse, that for me seem she was scared to face something. I am lost. I hope someone can figure this one out.
    Blessings
  • aliciaa671aliciaa671 Posts: 29
    Ahh mouse makes sense, couldn't figure out what he was supposed to be. Keep in mind, this is the same artist who did the Dangerous cover.
  • JudeJude Posts: 452
    Is that LMP?
  • all4loveandbelieveall4loveandbelieve Posts: 4,455
    Is that LMP?



    You know what Jude, you are right, she does look like LMP, maybe she broke his heart. This painting has a significance that is for sure, but what? I cannot pin point what the story is. I know for sure it is a broken heart. usually mice go in hidding, so did Michael, go into hidding. There is a similarity. I hope someone who knows about painting can tell us the meaning of it.
  • whisper9396whisper9396 Posts: 149
    Oh, My God! This picture causes not very pleasant feelings. LMP is represented beautiful, happy, healthy, and MJ is represented pity, unfortunate, the mouse which sits in a corner. Is it mouse white? Looks like in laboratory, truly? Strange feelings are caused by a picture. Figure seven - it is clear, a crown - it is clear, the mouse - it is not clear.... Mice cause negative emotions more often. But this my opinion. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
    Sorry for mistakes

    With love.
  • all4loveandbelieveall4loveandbelieve Posts: 4,455
    Oh, My God! This picture causes not very pleasant feelings. LMP is represented beautiful, happy, healthy, and MJ is represented pity, unfortunate, the mouse which sits in a corner. Is it mouse white? Looks like in laboratory, truly? Strange feelings are caused by a picture. Figure seven - it is clear, a crown - it is clear, the mouse - it is not clear.... Mice cause negative emotions more often. But this my opinion. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
    Sorry for mistakes

    With love.


    You make sense. Mouse means pitty, scared. I do not understand why he painted Michael as a mouse.
    I checked the meaning what the mouse symbolizes this is what I found:

    Back in the medieval moments, the mouse was a symbol of bad luck, and terrible crops. In China, mouse stood for sly, cunning, and intelligent.
    What do you think?
  • Missinmj127Missinmj127 Posts: 18
    Oh, My God! This picture causes not very pleasant feelings. LMP is represented beautiful, happy, healthy, and MJ is represented pity, unfortunate, the mouse which sits in a corner. Is it mouse white? Looks like in laboratory, truly? Strange feelings are caused by a picture. Figure seven - it is clear, a crown - it is clear, the mouse - it is not clear.... Mice cause negative emotions more often. But this my opinion. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
    Sorry for mistakes

    With love.

    Agreed whisper9396... I don't like this picture at all.....very unpleasant too look at.
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    Oh, My God! This picture causes not very pleasant feelings. LMP is represented beautiful, happy, healthy, and MJ is represented pity, unfortunate, the mouse which sits in a corner. Is it mouse white? Looks like in laboratory, truly? Strange feelings are caused by a picture. Figure seven - it is clear, a crown - it is clear, the mouse - it is not clear.... Mice cause negative emotions more often. But this my opinion. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
    Sorry for mistakes

    With love.
    True! Interesting painting! I thought it was Lisa right away too. Her hair in the front looks like this pic.
  • MashMikeMashMike Posts: 1,312
    I don't like the picture, IMO it shows that MJ was heartbroken when Lisa left him, and disappointed, why mouse?- I think this photo of Mike portrayed as a white mouse shows that he was afraid of being in relationship with other women after LMP had left him, he was afraid of being heartbroken once again, being hurt and betrayed once again by a woman.
  • Missyb007Missyb007 Posts: 727
    Mouse symbolism is usually humorous, but carries serious undertones. It seems to suggest a few things about our life-path journey while here on the earth plane. The path is like a maze or labyrinth because we have so little knowledge about our real purpose here. Each "turn" is a gamble, and we really never know if it is the "right" one. Often, our rational logic fails us in this regard, whereas instincts or intuitions prove more reliable. This is the aspect shown by the mouse, I do think.

    The mouse is small and vulnerable to show the condition we often find ourselves in, as we traverse the maze. A major objective of the life experience seems to involve the overcoming of fears. We face them and hopefully defeat them all the time.

    The mice are probably symbols for pests of your thoughts. They represent negative behaviors and memories from your past that you haven't dealt with.
  • elocin_mjelocin_mj Posts: 147
    creepy picture...
  • suspicious mindsuspicious mind Posts: 5,984
    the number seven is significant to us but why to the artist?
  • mjjveritasmjjveritas Posts: 902
    One painting I won't be contacting the gallery for regarding pricing and availability.
  • Missyb007Missyb007 Posts: 727
    the number seven is significant to us but why to the artist?

    I've seen at least 2 other paintings with the number 7 in it as well! <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/akitzmil/128993079/
    and
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/akitzmil/128993078/in/photostream/

    and this one reminded me of another painting i saw regarding michael.. dont know which one that is though maybe someone else knows?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/akitzmil/125399335/sizes/o/in/photostream/
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    Also diamonds are forever, and the ring circle stands for neverending love, the circle not broken, so there is irony here. He looks sad sad while she looks pleasant or happy. Much as she talks about feeling "truly gutted", she was the one who didn't seem to value the relationship as much as him. He selected her with great care, since he knew his spouse would have to come from a wealthy top ranking place, with class (in entertainmnet), as well as possibly already thinking ahead to the hoax and Elvis/MJ connection. He didn't want someone just after his money or fame. Sadly I think many ordinary women would have loved him through thick and thin forever. Oh well. It ain't over till it's over. Also green (floor) speaks to me of being a novice or inexperienced in love, there's rain clouds above him, and although he's in a corner it is LMP who is most in the corner, so maybe he still feels he has her partially (as we see from this hoax). If that makes sense. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
  • suspicious mindsuspicious mind Posts: 5,984
    ok maybe someone indicated and i missed it. were these actually commisioned by michael or this guy just did them?
  • whisper9396whisper9396 Posts: 149
    Oh, My God! This picture causes not very pleasant feelings. LMP is represented beautiful, happy, healthy, and MJ is represented pity, unfortunate, the mouse which sits in a corner. Is it mouse white? Looks like in laboratory, truly? Strange feelings are caused by a picture. Figure seven - it is clear, a crown - it is clear, the mouse - it is not clear.... Mice cause negative emotions more often. But this my opinion. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
    Sorry for mistakes

    With love.


    You make sense. Mouse means pitty, scared. I do not understand why he painted Michael as a mouse.
    I checked the meaning what the mouse symbolizes this is what I found:

    Back in the medieval moments, the mouse was a symbol of bad luck, and terrible crops. In China, mouse stood for sly, cunning, and intelligent.
    What do you think?
    I think, you are right. I can't tell that I well understand painting, however, I don't love, when the artist represents subjects and objects ugly. I mean not a non-standard or an innovative sight at things. I mean unjustified ugliness.
    I hope you won't beat me <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> if I tell that LMP never was pleasant to me (a heavy look, the heavy chin, the compressed lips). The appearance is a mirror of the soul. Probably, if this artist has represented LMP in the form of the mouse, I would react to a picture differently. <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
    I hope my thoughts are clear for you.
    With love.
  • whisper9396whisper9396 Posts: 149
    the number seven is significant to us but why to the artist?

    I've seen at least 2 other paintings with the number 7 in it as well! <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/akitzmil/128993079/
    and
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/akitzmil/128993078/in/photostream/

    and this one reminded me of another painting i saw regarding michael.. dont know which one that is though maybe someone else knows?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/akitzmil/125399335/sizes/o/in/photostream/

    I have been surprised, when have seen Russian words in picture. However, it also has words on English and Chinese (probably) in last picture. The sense of words in Russian and English is approximately identical. There are a lot of Masonic symbolics on the picture . <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
    sorry for mistakes.

    With love
  • Diana77Diana77 Posts: 17
    Two numbers 7 on Dangerous cover

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    8a231b26b572.jpg
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    Sorry this one shows below the palm.
  • mjsgirl89mjsgirl89 Posts: 378
    I really don't like this painting...saddening <!-- s:cry: -->:cry:<!-- s:cry: --> <!-- s:cry: -->:cry:<!-- s:cry: --> <!-- s:cry: -->:cry:<!-- s:cry: -->
  • all4loveandbelieveall4loveandbelieve Posts: 4,455
    Oh, My God! This picture causes not very pleasant feelings. LMP is represented beautiful, happy, healthy, and MJ is represented pity, unfortunate, the mouse which sits in a corner. Is it mouse white? Looks like in laboratory, truly? Strange feelings are caused by a picture. Figure seven - it is clear, a crown - it is clear, the mouse - it is not clear.... Mice cause negative emotions more often. But this my opinion. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
    Sorry for mistakes

    With love.


    You make sense. Mouse means pitty, scared. I do not understand why he painted Michael as a mouse.
    I checked the meaning what the mouse symbolizes this is what I found:

    Back in the medieval moments, the mouse was a symbol of bad luck, and terrible crops. In China, mouse stood for sly, cunning, and intelligent.
    What do you think?
    I think, you are right. I can't tell that I well understand painting, however, I don't love, when the artist represents subjects and objects ugly. I mean not a non-standard or an innovative sight at things. I mean unjustified ugliness.
    I hope you won't beat me <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> if I tell that LMP never was pleasant to me (a heavy look, the heavy chin, the compressed lips). The appearance is a mirror of the soul. Probably, if this artist has represented LMP in the form of the mouse, I would react to a picture differently. <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
    I hope my thoughts are clear for you.
    With love.


    Oh my God, why would I beat you for your opinion, actually I thank you for clarifing it to me. I hate that painting, why did this painter painted that portrait. LMP is not the prettiest woman alive, but she is ok in my book. I think their breakup is more than meets the eye. Something big had happened. I cannot put my finger.
    Blessings and love
  • Unknown
    This depiction of beautiful Michael as a sad bleached out mouse speaks volumes about how the artist perceived MJ.
    as well as telling a "Story".
    The essential question would be, how well did the artist know Michael Jackson, or how close was this aritst to Michael,enough to practically look deep into Michae's "heart break" and suffering as the "Jilted " husband or lover of LMP.

    Personally, I look at this painting as "tabloid Trash" , the same as any reporter would venture out to create a "sensationalized "
    story, to talk about things they do not know anything about.

    Pure fabrication IMO

    I do not believe for a sec. that Mike was hurting that badly over LMP..cause, I am almost sure, if had wanted her that badly , he could have gotten her back anytime ,
    had she been Michael's everlasting "love' I am sure he would have found a way and married her twice , the same as Elizabeth and Richard tied knots twice, cause they really really did love each other.

    According to reports and the way she even told the story after she "left" Mike, she was still so obsessed with him,
    so that makes me , believe, LMP was begging Mike to take her back, including promising to have any number of babies he wished to have.

    But ..MJ..would not take her back , while remaining friends with her, like the gentleman he was,

    ...but she went around bashing Mike, every time she opened her mouth, cause she could not have it her way...to have Mike take her back.

    So this artist ,IMO..is way off , if he is trying to tell the story as fact.

    Maybe , the painting reflects the artist's Fantasy..
    about how,.that the daughter of King Elvis would break the "FREAK " Michael J. KOP, heart.??

    Truth be told, there were many folks around who did not like for Mike to have gotten the Presley songs catalog and then Elvis's daughter too as his wife

    That is the story I understand anyway, about MJ and LMP.
    Just my 2cents.
    Peace.
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    Keep in mind, this is the same artist who did the Dangerous cover.
    Here are some more of his paintings <!-- m -->http://abduzeedo.com/expressive-and-sur ... mark-ryden<!-- m -->
    I think Ryden is giving an artist's perception/intuition of reality he sees, perhaps like an artist-type vision/interpretation. Michael must have trusted his gift in being accurate, if he hired him.

    I tried to find some info on how Mark Ryden viewed MJ, and I only found this interview: <!-- m -->http://www.markryden.com/press/juxblack/index.html<!-- m -->
    Speaking of kings, can you tell us something about your encounter with the King of Pop?
    He was most concerned with my depiction of Bubbles on the Dangerous cover. He commented on my first attempt: "You made him too wrinkled. He's cuter than that." Eventually Michael preferred I paint him from life to capture his true inner soul. Bubbles was secretly brought to my studio by limousine at midnight for a one-night painting session. Michael liked how in the new depiction Bubbles' eyes seemed to follow him around the room.
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