I've been suggesting this for a little while but we should have a section for LOVE. IF we are saying we are the Army of Love, then why not have a whole section for it?
GREAT IDEA!!! Souza and Mo, how about creating a new section with the name of "MAKE THAT CHANGE" in the forum? <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> So we can discuss and decide things on that section of the forum?
Guys, I believe that we need to move together. Please keep on doing your personal charities and etc but I'm talking about doing things TOGETHER! Because if we say "I will do this charity myself" I know that most of the people do NOTHING or delay it and forget about it. But if we start making the change together, it will be more effective on everyone and it will be a good example for everyone to learn how to unite and learn acting together for good. THIS IS A CALL FOR THE MASS MOVEMENT.
Good idea Nick. Your idea is a good one for the start. But I still believe that a Newspaper which contains news about the MJ hoax death and the illuminati and NWO would be way so much better and more effective. We're people from all around the world which means we can spread the message to the entire world. Is there someone here who knows how much it costs to publish a newspaper with a couple of pages?[/b]
More than you might think. I think the idea of some kind of news letter is great, but we can't manage and distribute this globally. We don't have the financial and logistic means for that. What we can do is something like with the website I mentioned in point 1 in my previous post; start a thread where we collect stuff about this subject; articles, news reports of the week where we explain what is fasle and true, etc. I don't mind making a pdf file of it weekly, which people can print and spread.
I believe that we need to deliver it to people personally. When you give it to their hands they need to look at what it is about. But when you make a web-page, they don't click and open the web-page if it is out of their interest. We need to find a way how to make this hmmm...
Good idea Nick. Your idea is a good one for the start. But I still believe that a Newspaper which contains news about the MJ hoax death and the illuminati and NWO would be way so much better and more effective. We're people from all around the world which means we can spread the message to the entire world. Is there someone here who knows how much it costs to publish a newspaper with a couple of pages?[/b]
More than you might think. I think the idea of some kind of news letter is great, but we can't manage and distribute this globally. We don't have the financial and logistic means for that. What we can do is something like with the website I mentioned in point 1 in my previous post; start a thread where we collect stuff about this subject; articles, news reports of the week where we explain what is fasle and true, etc. I don't mind making a pdf file of it weekly, which people can print and spread.
I believe that we need to deliver it to people personally. When you give it to their hands they need to look at what it is about. But when you make a web-page, they don't click and open the web-page if it is out of their interest. We need to find a way how to make this hmmm...
Maybe you need to cool down for a second and take a deep breath first. Being enthousiastic is great, but don't loose yourself in it. I just posted 8 points in one of my previous posts that is completely ignored. Some of which we can do together, some points that can bring attention to what we do together and some points we should do ourselves, outside this forum. You have to realize there are people on here that have to work very hard every day to pay their mortgage or rent and not everyone of us is able to go door-to-door with flyers. That is why I said we could make a weekly or monthly newsletter that people can either print and spread in person, or e-mail when they have less time. The internet is a very powerful tool and we should use that.
I just made a new category on the forum called "charities". In that category we can bring attention to local or global charity organisations.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Good idea Nick. Your idea is a good one for the start. But I still believe that a Newspaper which contains news about the MJ hoax death and the illuminati and NWO would be way so much better and more effective. We're people from all around the world which means we can spread the message to the entire world. Is there someone here who knows how much it costs to publish a newspaper with a couple of pages?[/b]
More than you might think. I think the idea of some kind of news letter is great, but we can't manage and distribute this globally. We don't have the financial and logistic means for that. What we can do is something like with the website I mentioned in point 1 in my previous post; start a thread where we collect stuff about this subject; articles, news reports of the week where we explain what is fasle and true, etc. I don't mind making a pdf file of it weekly, which people can print and spread.
I believe that we need to deliver it to people personally. When you give it to their hands they need to look at what it is about. But when you make a web-page, they don't click and open the web-page if it is out of their interest. We need to find a way how to make this hmmm...
Maybe you need to cool down for a second and take a deep breath first. Being enthousiastic is great, but don't loose yourself in it. I just posted 8 points in one of my previous posts that is completely ignored. Some of which we can do together, some points that can bring attention to what we do together and some points we should do ourselves, outside this forum. You have to realize there are people on here that have to work very hard every day to pay their mortgage or rent and not everyone of us is able to go door-to-door with flyers. That is why I said we could make a weekly or monthly newsletter that people can either print and spread in person, or e-mail when they have less time. The internet is a very powerful tool and we should use that.
I just made a new category on the forum called "charities". In that category we can bring attention to local or global charity organisations.
Thank you very much but I'm already cool down. Pls do not bring negativity to this post. We're all sharing our opinions here. And I wrote my opinion about your suggestions. No need to be pissed off and making explanations about how people work everyday etc since I'm one of them. I'm not saying we shouldn't make a web-page but I wrote about my opinion about how we can spread the message in a better way. Thank you for the new category.
First that at all I you congratulate on your initiative PureLove
In this forum many things can be done, it is necessary to remember that it is the first site of hoax of MJ in Internet, (we can take advantage of it) and also do our own advertising across the social networks, as Souza said, it is possible to begin for publishing here articles of interest and also of education as Michael's message, supporting organizations of charity, ecology, preservation of the environment and what each of us could do.
The altruism and helping others is essential.
Especially at this time both chaos
PureLove, that's easily said. We can print every newsletter we want, but who says people will go and spread them door-to-door? They still have to do that themselves. We are living in all parts of the world, so the only place we CAN unite, is on the internet. That is our starting point and we need to work from there. So I suggest we think of a domain name that is still free and register that, and work on from there.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
PureLove, that's easily said. We can print every newsletter we want, but who says people will go and spread them door-to-door? They still have to do that themselves. We are living in all parts of the world, so the only place we CAN unite, is on the internet. That is our starting point and we need to work from there. So I suggest we think of a domain name that is still free and register that, and work on from there.
Souza thank you so much for the new section. It looks amazing. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> I just made the first post there.
Well, people can give it to anyone they meet. For example when you are going to work, don't you see any people on the streets or at the bus? Or you can even deliver to your collegues, to friends. You do not need to spread them door to door. You just bring it with you and give to people you see or meet. How about this? <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
And for the record: I am not bringing in negativity to this post, but we shouldn't run around like headless chickens, talking about donating to an orphanage in one post, and spreading door-to-door NWO newsletters in the other. And I am far from pissed, I don't see how you can think I am, but I think that if we want to do something, we need to be organized. With a website we can work on all subjects we want, but organized, so that everyone has a clear view of what we will do and how. I understand you are enthousiastic and I like that, and again: I am far from pissed or negative, so please don't think that, but I try to stay realistic here before we have a 100-page thread and no one really has a clue wheter we are going to donate to a charity or something completely different. Starting a website that does not scare people with a hoax (because clearly that doesn't help us to get attention) and where we can organize weekly things we can do united, and where we also might get the non-believers to join, is the best starting point to work from. I am not trying to kill the enthousiasm, I am trying to get some order in this chaos, to make sure we will all be on the same page.
I am checking some domain names and so far these two are available:
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Maybe your intention is not about being negative but the words you chose were harsh and offensive. I didn't ignore any of your suggestions, but explained why I made this post and with what purpose. I do appreciate all of the suggestions you wrote and they're so perfect to do individually. I did say that we should keep on doing our personal activites but the purpose of the post was not only about making personal activities but start doing something all together as the soldiers.
Well I have already told my opinion about a web-site. It is so hard to find viewers for a web-page but people have to read the thing you give to their hands. So I'm on delivering it. But of course it depends on majority's opinion. If the problem is becoming together and discussing things, we can create a blog if this forum is not the place to discuss about it. Another web-page is not necessary in my opinion.
We're not staying on this post only. I've already made a post about the orphanage charity thing on the charity section you created.
Guys, Souza created an amazing section for charities and I made a post about making the start with a donation to an orphanage. Pls keep on talking about it on that section if you would like to join the mass movement to make the change. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> RunningGirl, we will need your information about this issue. This is the link of the post.
And for the record: I am not bringing in negativity to this post, but we shouldn't run around like headless chickens, talking about donating to an orphanage in one post, and spreading door-to-door NWO newsletters in the other. And I am far from pissed, I don't see how you can think I am, but I think that if we want to do something, we need to be organized. With a website we can work on all subjects we want, but organized, so that everyone has a clear view of what we will do and how. I understand you are enthousiastic and I like that, and again: I am far from pissed or negative, so please don't think that, but I try to stay realistic here before we have a 100-page thread and no one really has a clue wheter we are going to donate to a charity or something completely different. Starting a website that does not scare people with a hoax (because clearly that doesn't help us to get attention) and where we can organize weekly things we can do united, and where we also might get the non-believers to join, is the best starting point to work from. I am not trying to kill the enthousiasm, I am trying to get some order in this chaos, to make sure we will all be on the same page.
I am checking some domain names and so far these two are available:
Good idea with a domain website. I have a question. Do you think it would be better to make the website neutral or Michael-related? I'm asking that because I am wondering if we create it from a neutral standpoint that may reach people that would otherwise ignore it and I'm assuming we want as many people to spread love and to help others out as possible OR would it be better to start with Michael since his name already brings so many people together? And also, is it legal to use his image for a website like this? Just thinking it through.
I saw the post and I knew TS would redirect to it, I just didn't expect it this late (or early).There are some legal issues with this site and donations, so that's not an option as long as this site is registered in the US. To avoid that Mo's or my personal info will be all over the net, the site needs to stay in the US. What I can do (and I will in a few minutes) is make a new subforum for charity. As long as we only post links to the websites of the several projects, I think it's fine.
Some other thoughts (all random, will post more if I think of more):
1.)- I once watched a video on YouTube and I thought it was a fantastic idea. They printed a fake New York Times that made up good news, to see how people would react. Here is the video:
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As you can see people get happy from good news, and I think good news should be published more, to bring hope and positiveness back. I don't think we should make something up, but search for the good news (that is mostly somewhere on the last page between some annoying ads), and publish them on a seperate site. One way or another we need to make sure this "good news" site is known world-wide and of course we need someone (or more than one) to manage and update this site. Mo and I have our hands full with this one, so if there are people willing and able to start such a project, shout out! If we link it to this one, we know we won't get the attention we should want, but if we make a seperate site that doesn't have Michael Jackson Death Hoax on the front page, we might get some attention and if we will get lot's of visitors on there, we might even get some income from ads which we can donate to charity. We can post the same on this website, but I think that if the two sites are linked, people would more easily click away. Once people know this is all a hoax and accept its purpose, it wouldn't be a big deal anymore, but before that, my opinion is to keep the sites seperate. We can use this forum to collect the articles, so that the one(s) managing the site can copy and paste it from here. I think that if we also publish good news about celebs (besides all other good news) instead of the gossip and slander we see on Entertainment Something etc., the chances of getting attention will even be bigger. Let me know your thoughts on it.
2.)- Another idea is to open a thread where people can post their daily good deeds. I always try to do something for someone else each day, whether that is a colleague, a friend or someone at the local supermarket. I think that if people post that in a thread on the forum, it will motivate others to do the same. Even the small things like helping old people cross the street or help your colleague out when he or she is so busy they don't know where to start again.
3.)- Just an idea when you have to organize a day at work with your colleagues. Instead of going on a survival trip, or something like that, you can do something for someone else. Here in Holland there are foundations that introduce companies to a charity where they can help out, for example taking children that are ill to the zoo, helping out on a farm where they take in abused and sick animals or taking the elderly who are lonely for a day out. Just a few examples of the possibilities. It's fun, good for the teambuilding whithin your company and most of all: you help out. Lots of volunteers rely on donations, but also hard labour is very well appreciated!
4.)- Many old people are lonely. People take in abandoned animals, adopt children that need a chance in life, but the elderly are often forgotten. Why not adopt a grandma/mother or a grandpa/father who is lonely? Visiting them once a week, doing some groceries for them, taking them out on a trip sometimes and make sure they are not alone with Christmas does a LOT for these people. I think it's shameful that so many old people who made sure we can live the lives we live today, are left behind to die alone.
5.)- Go through your house and see if you have stuff you haven't used in ages. If you don't use it, you don't need it. Donate it to the Salvation Army, or other organisations like that. Give it to a neighbour or a friend who can use it, or sell it all and donate the money to charity. Your house will be more tidy and someone else is happy, a win-win situation. I am probably moving out of my house soon and my whole basement is full of stuff I haven't used in years. I won't take it with me but donate it to an organisation who will GIVE (not sell) the stuff to people who need it. If you know people in need yourself, go bring it yourself. The happy faces will give you a nice boost and will motivate you to do it more often.
6.)- For those who dare and are well-spoken; contact your (old) school and ask if you can give a lecture on L.O.V.E. There are many good writers on this board and if some could write a good presentation, we could translate it into our own language and use it. We could represent a non-profit organisation with the same name as the website mentioned in point 1, and draw more attention to it. I must say I don't like to speak in public at all, but if someone would be able to present a fantastic speech, I might grow myself some balls to do it.
7.)- I think we should choose one or two global charities we will support on this site. Bringing attention to their work by giving them a full page on the website where we explain their work and link to their website. Because I know there are organisations that are not trustworthy, I suggest we take some from the list that Mike supported (as I assume he only gave money to organisations of which he knew would actually use the money for the good) and make a poll or something to choose one or two, so everyone (or most) will agree on it. I say we go for a charity that helps children in need. Not only because they are what Mike has been fighting for his whole life, but because they really are the future, we need to make sure they have one. If we make sure they will have proper education, a loving childhood and healthy food, the rest will get better as well. My hope is that one day we need to open a dictionary or history book to what charity was all about, because we don't need it anymore. Maybe a little too optimistic, but that is how it should be.
8.)- Last but not least, as we are here because of one person only, we should continue to get Mike's name cleared. I am busy translating the article of Forbes Everett Landis {http://education.ezinemark.com/does-american-dream-have-to-die-with-michael-jackson-16b169402f1.html} to Dutch and I am going to send it, along with an intro, as a letter to every Dutch newspaper, hoping one or more will publish it. Once I finish it, I will post it in a seperate thread, so other Dutch members can use it for whatever necessary. Maybe others can find the time to do the same in their own language.
Most is what you can do outside this forum, but that is important too. We are from all over the world and all we can do is unite on the net. If we do that well, we could get some serious attention but it starts with us, meaning not just in here as a nickname, but also in our own lives. And we should continue educating others on the hoax and its purpose. No matter how many naysayers you will meet, there will come a time when they will start listening. They are programmed to believe everything the media presents them, deprogramming takes some time, that's one thing I learned the past 16 months.
So, just some ideas that need to be thought through some more, but I hope people will give some input and thoughts on this.
Very great ideas! I actually had the first idea but wasn't sure how to go about it. Love it! I love all the ideas actually. Positive energy is great to feel on here.
And for the record: I am not bringing in negativity to this post, but we shouldn't run around like headless chickens, talking about donating to an orphanage in one post, and spreading door-to-door NWO newsletters in the other. And I am far from pissed, I don't see how you can think I am, but I think that if we want to do something, we need to be organized. With a website we can work on all subjects we want, but organized, so that everyone has a clear view of what we will do and how. I understand you are enthousiastic and I like that, and again: I am far from pissed or negative, so please don't think that, but I try to stay realistic here before we have a 100-page thread and no one really has a clue wheter we are going to donate to a charity or something completely different. Starting a website that does not scare people with a hoax (because clearly that doesn't help us to get attention) and where we can organize weekly things we can do united, and where we also might get the non-believers to join, is the best starting point to work from. I am not trying to kill the enthousiasm, I am trying to get some order in this chaos, to make sure we will all be on the same page.
I am checking some domain names and so far these two are available:
Good idea with a domain website. I have a question. Do you think it would be better to make the website neutral or Michael-related? I'm asking that because I am wondering if we create it from a neutral standpoint that may reach people that would otherwise ignore it and I'm assuming we want as many people to spread love and to help others out as possible OR would it be better to start with Michael since his name already brings so many people together? And also, is it legal to use his image for a website like this? Just thinking it through.
No, we can not just use his name or images, this website could therefore be sued by the estate because we do use his name and images.
I also think we should keep the site as neutral as possible, although I think we should do something with "Michael's Army of Love". This website has the purpose to discuss the hoax, unravel the mystery and spreading Michael's message already, but to get a larger audience we could make a site not related directly to MJ, but of course we could publish articles like the one of Forbes Everett Landis on it, and make it clear who the inspiration for the site is, without mentioning the hoax. In that way, if fans see that there are positive articles on it about MJ, they will be interested as well.
@PureLove: I wasn't harsh, that was not my intention. It depends on how sensitive you are to plain words on a screen when you can't hear the tone of the person writing it. As for just a blog: that's possible, but if you want some world wide attention, it ain't gonna work. When you have a website you can make yourself, you can do some tricks to be on top of google and with a blog that will take years if you'll ever succeed at all. To give you something, here are the statistics for this website of the past year:
As you can see it's getting a little more quiet as time goes by and less MJ news is coming out, but I can assure you many website owners would wish they have this amount of visitors every month. Now that there is a lot of MJ news again, you can see November is already a lot busier in those 3 days. We moved this site to this server on January 13, so that was not a full month, and November isn't full either. But if we take the average of the other 8 months, it's over a 100,000 unique visitors a month. That's over a million a year. And that's not hits, that Amy had mistaken for visitors a few days after she opened the original MJHD, but I am talking about 1 million different persons that have read this website. That's a lot of people.
I am also not saying we should only do individual things, because for that we wouldn't necessarily need a website. What I mean is that if we are going to plan things we want to do united, we can organize that there, because if we only do that here (and we should KEEP doing that here as well) it will just be the bunch of us. In here we plan, on there we announce so that non-believers might join as well. We could post a link on here to there, but not the other way around.
It's late here, so I hope I made it understandable now.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Souza, when I won that pageant, I had to go around and give speeches and schools and clubs about my platform issue which was "Promoting Family Values". In my presentation, I used "promoting family values with L.O.V.E" with each letter standing for something. We could do something like that, we could choose a word for each letter and then elaborate on that. For example, for family values my "L" stood for "Listen", and then I went on to talk about how important it is to listen to children, not only to help make them feel important and allow for them to express themselves freely, but also because that teaches them to listen as well. Just an idea. I would be willing to help with this initiative if we decide to do it. I'm experience with writing as well as public speaking (that is one great thing that came out of me doing that pageant - I was terrified of public speaking prior to that experience, and now it doesn't bother me!)
Is anyone else interested in this specific idea? We would need to work together to come up with a an outline and some kind of visual aid for the presentation. But this is actually a very realistic idea. Small groups do these types of things all the time, and schools and clubs are always looking for new and interesting speakers to come to their facility.
I also think we should keep the site as neutral as possible, although I think we should do something with "Michael's Army of Love". This website has the purpose to discuss the hoax, unravel the mystery and spreading Michael's message already, but to get a larger audience we could make a site not related directly to MJ, but of course we could publish articles like the one of Forbes Everett Landis on it, and make it clear who the inspiration for the site is, without mentioning the hoax. In that way, if fans see that there are positive articles on it about MJ, they will be interested as well.
I agree that not mentioning the hoax on this new site might be a good idea. It will attract a lot of attention for what it is already and I think that if the hoax was the focus (I'm sure hinting at it would be ok though <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> ) it would drive people away right off the bat. I think a website that focuses on the postive loving aspects of the world is what the internet needs - there is so much hate and negativity on the web, just look at comments on youtube, it amazes me how much anger some people seem to have in them. If Michael is going to be the inspiration of the site - are we going to continue spreading his message of awakening the world too? Since some people find those topics people need to be awakened on to be taboo.
I also think we should keep the site as neutral as possible, although I think we should do something with "Michael's Army of Love". This website has the purpose to discuss the hoax, unravel the mystery and spreading Michael's message already, but to get a larger audience we could make a site not related directly to MJ, but of course we could publish articles like the one of Forbes Everett Landis on it, and make it clear who the inspiration for the site is, without mentioning the hoax. In that way, if fans see that there are positive articles on it about MJ, they will be interested as well.
I agree that not mentioning the hoax on this new site might be a good idea. It will attract a lot of attention for what it is already and I think that if the hoax was the focus (I'm sure hinting at it would be ok though <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> ) it would drive people away right off the bat. I think a website that focuses on the postive loving aspects of the world is what the internet needs - there is so much hate and negativity on the web, just look at comments on youtube, it amazes me how much anger some people seem to have in them. If Michael is going to be the inspiration of the site - are we going to continue spreading his message of awakening the world too? Since some people find those topics people need to be awakened on to be taboo.
Being gay was once (and still is in many countries) a taboo as well, same with being HIV positive or having a physical or mental disorder. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make people aware of it. As long as the site is not promoting love, it will interest people enough to read on.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I also think we should keep the site as neutral as possible, although I think we should do something with "Michael's Army of Love". This website has the purpose to discuss the hoax, unravel the mystery and spreading Michael's message already, but to get a larger audience we could make a site not related directly to MJ, but of course we could publish articles like the one of Forbes Everett Landis on it, and make it clear who the inspiration for the site is, without mentioning the hoax. In that way, if fans see that there are positive articles on it about MJ, they will be interested as well.
I agree that not mentioning the hoax on this new site might be a good idea. It will attract a lot of attention for what it is already and I think that if the hoax was the focus (I'm sure hinting at it would be ok though <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> ) it would drive people away right off the bat. I think a website that focuses on the postive loving aspects of the world is what the internet needs - there is so much hate and negativity on the web, just look at comments on youtube, it amazes me how much anger some people seem to have in them. If Michael is going to be the inspiration of the site - are we going to continue spreading his message of awakening the world too? Since some people find those topics people need to be awakened on to be taboo.
Being gay was once (and still is in many countries) a taboo as well, same with being HIV positive or having a physical or mental disorder. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make people aware of it. As long as the site is not promoting love, it will interest people enough to read on.
Perhaps a good way of awakening people would be to find certain media articles that are pure BS and show the facts that prove the article is BS. I think some people read the words "NWO" and "Illuminati" and immediately think "those crazy conspiracy theorists". But maybe if we keep it neutral that way too, more people will pay attention. Point out the inconsistencies and straight out lies by proving it through facts and the impossibilities of some of these mainstream media stories.
I also think we should keep the site as neutral as possible, although I think we should do something with "Michael's Army of Love". This website has the purpose to discuss the hoax, unravel the mystery and spreading Michael's message already, but to get a larger audience we could make a site not related directly to MJ, but of course we could publish articles like the one of Forbes Everett Landis on it, and make it clear who the inspiration for the site is, without mentioning the hoax. In that way, if fans see that there are positive articles on it about MJ, they will be interested as well.
I agree that not mentioning the hoax on this new site might be a good idea. It will attract a lot of attention for what it is already and I think that if the hoax was the focus (I'm sure hinting at it would be ok though <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> ) it would drive people away right off the bat. I think a website that focuses on the postive loving aspects of the world is what the internet needs - there is so much hate and negativity on the web, just look at comments on youtube, it amazes me how much anger some people seem to have in them. If Michael is going to be the inspiration of the site - are we going to continue spreading his message of awakening the world too? Since some people find those topics people need to be awakened on to be taboo.
Being gay was once (and still is in many countries) a taboo as well, same with being HIV positive or having a physical or mental disorder. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make people aware of it. As long as the site is not promoting love, it will interest people enough to read on.
Perhaps a good way of awakening people would be to find certain media articles that are pure BS and show the facts that prove the article is BS. I think some people read the words "NWO" and "Illuminati" and immediately think "those crazy conspiracy theorists". But maybe if we keep it neutral that way too, more people will pay attention. Point out the inconsistencies and straight out lies by proving it through facts and the impossibilities of some of these mainstream media stories.
Thank you PureLove for finally saying these words so TS could draw attention to this. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Everybody is talking about MAKING A CHANGE, but nobody is talking about how we are going to make it. We should have a plan, we should organize things! What are we going to do? How are we going to make that change? I see everyone writes it everywhere; Let's make a change, help others, save the world etc. But I wish I could see the same effort in DOING things as in writing it. This forum shouldn't stay as a hoax forum only, this forum has to be the center of that change! If we are the Army of LOVE, if we are the ones who will start to make that change, then we should start talking about how we are going to make it! We have to MOVE TOGETHER! For example, we should start doing something all together as members of this forum, as soldiers of Michael Jackson. We tried to tell the media about the hoax and it didn't work out. We tried to tell non-believers about the truth and it didn't work out as well. Is this it? Are we going to sit back and wait till Michael comes back? I know that Michael's return is a must for us to spread the message to everyone but I believe that there're things that we can do before and after his return. I don't want the things that we talk we're going to do, to stay on the forum only but we DO them for real! I know that almost all of us, or maybe all of us try to spread the hidden truth to everyone we know but is it enough? NO! We should do more, we should give more!
How about publishing a Newspaper and deliver it to people at the streets? How about starting to choose an orphanage every month and make donations? How about chosing an area and start planting trees?
I know that most of us are trying to do all of these by ourselves and some of us just write what we want to do. But how about making these all together? How about making this forum the center of the CHANGE? We're THOUSANDS of people here! If we unite and dedicate ourselves to make that change for real, we can save the planet, we can save the humanity! It's all for LOVE, it's all for Michael, it's all for us, it's all for the planet! So what do you soldiers say? Are you with me? Are you with Michael? Are you ready to unite, raise your voice and MAKE THAT CHANGE for real?
P.S: Unfortunately I believe that this post of mine will be ignored by most of you. I hope not because seriously we need to start doing serious things instead of sitting and writing them. We need to start making the change right now! So please let's unite and start doing somethings.
I pulled my comment from TIAI redirect 10/31 because IMO it goes hand in hand with your point. It is time for action and to use the skills Mike has already taught us and not sit back waiting on him. I stand by this comment of mine and believe that every one of us here on the forum is strong, and we can do this.
I realize the BAM subject is a sensitive thing to speak on. I say IF only because it leads me to move and have actions NOW because IF he was to never come back or IF he was never a part of my life...
I must find a way to stand strong anyways, right?
Keep the faith.
To be like a child and just trust that this is ALL gonna work out. I don't know how it will happen, I just believe and trust it will. We as adults are more resistant to change or trusting in people because we have alot of emotional baggage, damage, memories of hurt from our own lives that it bleeds over into making the leap of faith now and just believing and trusting in us here on the forum.
Believing that we are enough to do this even if there is no BAM.
I believe we have to have enough faith in ourselves no matter what, that we are strong.
I believe we need to trust in ourselves first, to let go of our pre-conceived negative notions of the scriptures. I believe we need to trust that Mike was the catalyst in this cosmic shift in our thinking and actions.
I believe he is one of many catalysts that have started a change.
We can see in HIStory starting in the bible some of the messengers who came and gave us warnings. They did their job assigned to them by GOD. They set the coarse of change. They planted seeds, then let go and let GOD. They knew in their hearts that they did all they could to plant seeds. Then after they were gone another messenger picked up the torch and carried on into the next phase. This messenger did their job according to what GOD decided for them to do, then they are gone.
The torch is passed again. This is a repeating cycle.
Fast forward. Michael is a messenger called upon from GOD to deliver a message to the people.
A teacher has to give the students the skills to do what is necessary long after the teacher is gone.
I believe Mike will BAM but, I believe that even if he never did, he has taught us and given us all the skills we need to go on and teach the world.
We have the power to manifest the desired result.
Even IF Mike would never BAM, we can do this.
I think souza has a great idea but it cant be done on this site itself, so as to not impede this progress I have a Idea.
We can open a Sub Site, There can be a main header/gfx/description etc..
Then a signature list. Each person that donates gets there Name on the Army of L.O.V.E list. The list will be only for the ones that donated.
A specific charity or foundation can be chosen, legaly easier to choose one specific charity or foundation that is verified.
The money that is donated which can be 1 dollar and beyond will go into a special escrow foundation.charity account. It will be overseen by The Escrow company so no Hanky panky can happen in any way and no legal issues can be brought.
Once the Goal is achieved at whatever number that is set(ie, $5000) from the donations which will be shown on top of the signatures then the escrow will announce that money has been sent to the charity/foundation everyone chose to donate to. then a new charity can be chosen from that point on and it just continues.
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GREAT IDEA!!! Souza and Mo, how about creating a new section with the name of "MAKE THAT CHANGE" in the forum? <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> So we can discuss and decide things on that section of the forum?
Guys, I believe that we need to move together. Please keep on doing your personal charities and etc but I'm talking about doing things TOGETHER! Because if we say "I will do this charity myself" I know that most of the people do NOTHING or delay it and forget about it. But if we start making the change together, it will be more effective on everyone and it will be a good example for everyone to learn how to unite and learn acting together for good. THIS IS A CALL FOR THE MASS MOVEMENT.
I believe that we need to deliver it to people personally. When you give it to their hands they need to look at what it is about. But when you make a web-page, they don't click and open the web-page if it is out of their interest. We need to find a way how to make this hmmm...
Maybe you need to cool down for a second and take a deep breath first. Being enthousiastic is great, but don't loose yourself in it. I just posted 8 points in one of my previous posts that is completely ignored. Some of which we can do together, some points that can bring attention to what we do together and some points we should do ourselves, outside this forum. You have to realize there are people on here that have to work very hard every day to pay their mortgage or rent and not everyone of us is able to go door-to-door with flyers. That is why I said we could make a weekly or monthly newsletter that people can either print and spread in person, or e-mail when they have less time. The internet is a very powerful tool and we should use that.
I just made a new category on the forum called "charities". In that category we can bring attention to local or global charity organisations.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Thank you very much but I'm already cool down. Pls do not bring negativity to this post. We're all sharing our opinions here. And I wrote my opinion about your suggestions. No need to be pissed off and making explanations about how people work everyday etc since I'm one of them. I'm not saying we shouldn't make a web-page but I wrote about my opinion about how we can spread the message in a better way. Thank you for the new category.
In this forum many things can be done, it is necessary to remember that it is the first site of hoax of MJ in Internet, (we can take advantage of it) and also do our own advertising across the social networks, as Souza said, it is possible to begin for publishing here articles of interest and also of education as Michael's message, supporting organizations of charity, ecology, preservation of the environment and what each of us could do.
The altruism and helping others is essential.
Especially at this time both chaos
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How about starting with making a donation to an orphanage? I think RunningGirl can help us about the issue. What do you guys think?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Souza thank you so much for the new section. It looks amazing. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> I just made the first post there.
Well, people can give it to anyone they meet. For example when you are going to work, don't you see any people on the streets or at the bus? Or you can even deliver to your collegues, to friends. You do not need to spread them door to door. You just bring it with you and give to people you see or meet. How about this? <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I am checking some domain names and so far these two are available:
<!-- m -->http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com<!-- m -->
<!-- m -->http://www.makingthatchange.com<!-- m -->
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Well I have already told my opinion about a web-site. It is so hard to find viewers for a web-page but people have to read the thing you give to their hands. So I'm on delivering it. But of course it depends on majority's opinion. If the problem is becoming together and discussing things, we can create a blog if this forum is not the place to discuss about it. Another web-page is not necessary in my opinion.
We're not staying on this post only. I've already made a post about the orphanage charity thing on the charity section you created.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=15371
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=15371
JackieJackson5 Jackie Jackson
It's really about the message... We can make a change in the world! It's time for us to come to-get-ther now! *jammin to song*
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Good idea with a domain website. I have a question. Do you think it would be better to make the website neutral or Michael-related? I'm asking that because I am wondering if we create it from a neutral standpoint that may reach people that would otherwise ignore it and I'm assuming we want as many people to spread love and to help others out as possible OR would it be better to start with Michael since his name already brings so many people together? And also, is it legal to use his image for a website like this? Just thinking it through.
Very great ideas! I actually had the first idea but wasn't sure how to go about it. Love it! I love all the ideas actually. Positive energy is great to feel on here.
No, we can not just use his name or images, this website could therefore be sued by the estate because we do use his name and images.
I also think we should keep the site as neutral as possible, although I think we should do something with "Michael's Army of Love". This website has the purpose to discuss the hoax, unravel the mystery and spreading Michael's message already, but to get a larger audience we could make a site not related directly to MJ, but of course we could publish articles like the one of Forbes Everett Landis on it, and make it clear who the inspiration for the site is, without mentioning the hoax. In that way, if fans see that there are positive articles on it about MJ, they will be interested as well.
@PureLove: I wasn't harsh, that was not my intention. It depends on how sensitive you are to plain words on a screen when you can't hear the tone of the person writing it. As for just a blog: that's possible, but if you want some world wide attention, it ain't gonna work. When you have a website you can make yourself, you can do some tricks to be on top of google and with a blog that will take years if you'll ever succeed at all. To give you something, here are the statistics for this website of the past year:
As you can see it's getting a little more quiet as time goes by and less MJ news is coming out, but I can assure you many website owners would wish they have this amount of visitors every month. Now that there is a lot of MJ news again, you can see November is already a lot busier in those 3 days. We moved this site to this server on January 13, so that was not a full month, and November isn't full either. But if we take the average of the other 8 months, it's over a 100,000 unique visitors a month. That's over a million a year. And that's not hits, that Amy had mistaken for visitors a few days after she opened the original MJHD, but I am talking about 1 million different persons that have read this website. That's a lot of people.
I am also not saying we should only do individual things, because for that we wouldn't necessarily need a website. What I mean is that if we are going to plan things we want to do united, we can organize that there, because if we only do that here (and we should KEEP doing that here as well) it will just be the bunch of us. In here we plan, on there we announce so that non-believers might join as well. We could post a link on here to there, but not the other way around.
It's late here, so I hope I made it understandable now.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Is anyone else interested in this specific idea? We would need to work together to come up with a an outline and some kind of visual aid for the presentation. But this is actually a very realistic idea. Small groups do these types of things all the time, and schools and clubs are always looking for new and interesting speakers to come to their facility.
I agree that not mentioning the hoax on this new site might be a good idea. It will attract a lot of attention for what it is already and I think that if the hoax was the focus (I'm sure hinting at it would be ok though <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> ) it would drive people away right off the bat. I think a website that focuses on the postive loving aspects of the world is what the internet needs - there is so much hate and negativity on the web, just look at comments on youtube, it amazes me how much anger some people seem to have in them. If Michael is going to be the inspiration of the site - are we going to continue spreading his message of awakening the world too? Since some people find those topics people need to be awakened on to be taboo.
Being gay was once (and still is in many countries) a taboo as well, same with being HIV positive or having a physical or mental disorder. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make people aware of it. As long as the site is not promoting love, it will interest people enough to read on.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Perhaps a good way of awakening people would be to find certain media articles that are pure BS and show the facts that prove the article is BS. I think some people read the words "NWO" and "Illuminati" and immediately think "those crazy conspiracy theorists". But maybe if we keep it neutral that way too, more people will pay attention. Point out the inconsistencies and straight out lies by proving it through facts and the impossibilities of some of these mainstream media stories.
I was thinking that too! Great idea.
I pulled my comment from TIAI redirect 10/31 because IMO it goes hand in hand with your point. It is time for action and to use the skills Mike has already taught us and not sit back waiting on him. I stand by this comment of mine and believe that every one of us here on the forum is strong, and we can do this.
I realize the BAM subject is a sensitive thing to speak on. I say IF only because it leads me to move and have actions NOW because IF he was to never come back or IF he was never a part of my life...
I must find a way to stand strong anyways, right?
Keep the faith.
We can open a Sub Site, There can be a main header/gfx/description etc..
Then a signature list. Each person that donates gets there Name on the Army of L.O.V.E list. The list will be only for the ones that donated.
A specific charity or foundation can be chosen, legaly easier to choose one specific charity or foundation that is verified.
The money that is donated which can be 1 dollar and beyond will go into a special escrow foundation.charity account. It will be overseen by The Escrow company so no Hanky panky can happen in any way and no legal issues can be brought.
Once the Goal is achieved at whatever number that is set(ie, $5000) from the donations which will be shown on top of the signatures then the escrow will announce that money has been sent to the charity/foundation everyone chose to donate to. then a new charity can be chosen from that point on and it just continues.
What ya think.