As badly as I want Michael back "which I can't even put into words" and with out a doubt I know he will be, "I wonder" what will WE DO when he returns? What were we doing before he left? What has taken place and are we doing since he has been gone? I think if we ask those questions with all honesty and sincerity and with an open mind and heart we will find many answers.
And when these questions are answered, we may find the answer to BAM!!
Michael has taught his whole life by example. The question is what have we learned from the teacher? There comes a time when the taught have to teach, that is how knowledge spreads. One must apply the knowledge in their own lives. The degree does no good hanging on the wall, it looks good, but it does not produce until the knowledge it represents it put into actions.
So now we have all this knowledge, are we producing? The evidence will be seen in the world around us.
I totally agree that people need to apply the learning from this experience to their own circumstances.
When I look at what we have achieved together as a group of beLIEvers who do not personally know each other, I feel it is just amazing!
We have already been actively taking actions against media lies (see the ITV and The Independent campaigns), we have helped spreading articles that reflect the Truth about Michael, we have also created a charity sub-forum and very recently we have started to create the Michael's Army of Love website...
Once the Michael's Army of Love site is up, we were also discussing with other BeLIEvers doing a little flyer so that to start spreading the message that Michael is alive and will return in our neighbourhoods... and getting the whole World ready for BAM. We, in fact, did a little draft and I will post it on the Army of Love website thread when the site is nearer to completion.
So yes... We are learning from the Teacher and taking action as well ... It is great!
As badly as I want Michael back "which I can't even put into words" and with out a doubt I know he will be, "I wonder" what will WE DO when he returns? What were we doing before he left? What has taken place and are we doing since he has been gone? I think if we ask those questions with all honesty and sincerity and with an open mind and heart we will find many answers.
And when these questions are answered, we may find the answer to BAM!!
Michael has taught his whole life by example. The question is what have we learned from the teacher? There comes a time when the taught have to teach, that is how knowledge spreads. One must apply the knowledge in their own lives. The degree does no good hanging on the wall, it looks good, but it does not produce until the knowledge it represents it put into actions.
So now we have all this knowledge, are we producing? The evidence will be seen in the world around us.
I totally agree that people need to apply the learning from this experience to their own circumstances.
When I look at what we have achieved together as a group of beLIEvers who do not personally know each other, I feel it is just amazing!
We have already been actively taking actions against media lies (see the ITV and The Independent campaigns), we have helped spreading articles that reflect the Truth about Michael, we have also created a charity sub-forum and very recently we have started to create the Michael's Army of Love website...
Once the Michael's Army of Love site is up, we were also discussing with other BeLIEvers doing a little flyer so that to start spreading the message that Michael is alive and will return in our neighbourhoods... and getting the whole World ready for BAM. We, in fact, did a little draft and I will post it on the Army of Love website thread when the site is nearer to completion.
So yes... We are learning from the Teacher and taking action as well ... It is great!
With L.O.V.E
That is truly wonderful!! The very smallest of sparks can start a forrest fire!! Hopefully the people that only visit here will take the initiative as well..
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This is not a new thing. I have noticed this from day 1 of signing up here on the forum. I do see improvement in attitudes. I do see changes. Sometimes holding a mirror up to someone and showing their errors is the hardest thing a person can do and it is not comfortable doing it but, it is necessary. Holding a mirror in front of my own face is hard enough and yes I do it. I also see that Michael has been holding up a mirror to the world for far to long. It is time for this to change. It is time to take the enormous weight he has on his shoulders teaching the world and now transfer that task to us.
The army of L.O.V.E. should be action words and not just a catch phrase.
I am not saying that the people who have posted in this thread so far fall in this category below but, like I said at the start of my comment below "if the shoe fits where it". <!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: -->
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First when I read comments that are negative nelly type and always expressing FEAR, doubt, or what not, that isn't in the Positive realm, I come to a conclusion that person is pre-judging. I don't necessarily have to "know" the person to come to a conclusion about their attitude.
If I pay attention to detail and little details like how a person posts (attitude) is a big factor in drawing a conclusion about their personality.
It is not rocket science when it comes to Human Nature. When a person like myself who deals with The Public on a daily basis, in the entertainment industry and etc. a skill is developed, the skill to read, in this case literally read people's personalities by paying attention to the details in their speach and movements, body language. Some stuff becomes predictable.
I learn ALOT about a person by what they comment on and how they comment.
I have also learned over time during this "hoax" that sometimes a persons first impression/opinion about anything can change.
When I read comments of the impatient nature I wonder to myself, "Exactly what is it they expect at this moment in time?"
"Is their LIFE going to be any different once Michael BAMS? I mean is he gonna come have tea at your house?"
"I wonder why is it that it seems as though they can't continue to function or live unless Michael BAMS and does what for them exactly?"
This Hoax is a mulititude of lessons on many levels and one of the lessons is patience.
It takes TIME to accomplish somethings, it took 9 months for the average human to grow... I am sure mama wanted it over in 5 mins. lol
Michael asked us in TII for our ENDURANCE, UNDERSTANDING, PATIENCE, and he THANKED US IN ADVANCE for that. Now can we give him that please?
Enjoy the adventure and relax.
Peace
Mo posted a thread from a outsiders view about this forum of people. I am on the inside of the "hoax" and I have seen the very same things.
Published below is the vision on the hoax and these board by a friend of mine. For as long as I'm in this hoax I have been nagging her to start reading about it and eventually she did. After about a week she told me what her vision on all this is. I asked her to put her thoughts on paper, which she did. With her permission I publish her thoughts here.
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After being persistently urged by Monique my interest was finally triggered and I started reading this forum, not because I'm convinced that MJ is still alive because as far as I'm concerned I have no problem with him being alive and in case he's dead than that's a pity, but despite my respect for his skills I have had no problems accepting his death immediately.
People live and die, some unfortunately die too early.
I'm interested in how different people from different backgrounds think. What motivates them not to be able to accept that a loved one has died? How is this kept alive and by whom?
First of course by the person itself, the pain can be so intense that disbelief takes over rational thinking. Usually after a while awareness kicks in, the average person becomes reasonable again and accept the fact, unless oil is put on the fire!
In past times, before the internet was introduced, going from fiction to reality processed much faster and easier. Nowadays people can easily join groups or a mind-like community to keep the shared ideas alive much longer.
Collecting evidence to strengthen their ideas are now unlimited offered on the internet and seen as truth, or manipulated to acceptable facts for the people who are gullible (in case it's not the truth).
Often they only looked for evidence that doesn't harm their ideas. Logically they don't give up on the loss, they're fighting to keep their idea alive to avoid a mourning process. This mourning process may be abandoning the idea that the beloved is alive or the grief of having to admit that they were wrong, and both can be very painful.
On this forum a few things were very noticeable: People were convinced that MJ is still alive and hoaxed his death for a purpose. That purpose, is claimed, will benefit all mankind. There's no solid evidence for that but this is assumed because people see clues in the lyrics and people saw clues in events that took place before and after MJ's death. They ignore the fact that this concerns a commercial singer. A commercial singer who probably has expressed his distaste for the establishment. These were strengthened by the bad events he had to face during his life.
This isn't something new and if you like me, were born a few years before MJ was born you also have consciously experienced the sixties and you know that many protest singers and movements have been far more influential than MJ on the thinking and actions of the world population.
Just think about the sexual revolution. The provo and hippie movements have made important contributions to the sexual revolution. There was no internet in those days, but the television had a major impact as a mass medium.
When we were young we really felt the movement of the Flowerpower Time. Originating in the USA, where the Doors were the founders of this social change. The Beatles Sgt Pepper's record with their Lonely Hearts Club Band really got the movement going. The previously mentioned provos and hippies, guided by the leading singers and bands of those days, lived in a subculture and protested against war, hunger and poverty in the world. You even started to believe what all these protest singers preached. Then reality hit us - we could see these entertainers as the Messiah but the outcome was that all these entertainers were filling their pockets with our hard earned cash, which we spent on the new album by respective vocalists, or even by buying that so highly popular Beatles dress! One could learn from history if we open ourselves to it. Back to this forum.
At a certain point the NWO is introduced, people found clues that MJ warns us about them and that exposing an imminent plot to establish the NWO is one of the reasons for MJ to hoax his death.
Numerous posts indicate that people are terrified of this new order in which the individual is lost in the pack, and mankind will be totally controlled by using identification chips etc. This of course gives goosebumps to every intelligent person. The idea that we are unique, and that our creativity and privacy being taken away from us is obviously very scary. You can hardly imagine anything worse, so when the group comes together here to convince each other that MJ is against this and that this is the main reason why he hoaxed his death it creates a stronger bond between the members.
Over time the bond begins to recede. They still believe it, and because not much more facts are provided the attention "weakens" and sandcastles fall apart to equivalent sand grains. The members together still share small facts and/or research but direction-less like sheep await their leader to rise up and then take the lead. They are a retired military who do not feel responsible to do anything or to think. If they do not understand something or if elusive information is provided, there's an ever returning call for MJ to come back, because then they can act. This occurs time after time.
Strange behavior one would think: a group of people facing the horror of the NWO who want to defend their freedom, stuck in quicksand until "their leader" arises to lead them into the battle.
You'd think that this group would take action themselves, if only in their own circle of family and friends, or in their village or town.
You would think they would take matters into their own hands to show MJ that they are not prepared to accept a NWO, showing they still can take initiatives themselves and know what to really do for society even if it is still on such a small scale. None of this is true, in fact, nothing happens, they wait.
Then someone arrives on the forum who's overloading the members with certain information which is more interesting because of the amount of information than the content itself, and when there are quiet times various biblical quotes and numerology is used. The most striking of this all is that for the average person it's confusing and a lot. I'll refrain from judging if the delivered information is true or not true, it's the way its offered which is striking. As a result, many members are impressed. What we see happening is that the quantity and confusing coverage works out.
The quantity is seen as quality (which often is not understood) and several members start seeing this information as interesting and smart looking. Someone who's that smart, can write such a lot and gives us information we don't fully understand must be smarter than us, so people start supporting that person. They have again found a leader in their struggle, they transfer their own personal responsibility to think and act again to someone else who has a lot of quantity. People want to be dominated because they are insecure and think they are less important than the ones they adore. This adorant dominates the crowd in obscurity, he doesn't enter the level of thinking of the group so that the information is very clear to everyone but the information is deliberately kept a lot and complex.
Reading all this shows fighting for who's right when the subject is not yet proven, there is a clear sign that a battle here is purely based on assumptions or on who provides information and not on actual facts. A battle has been engaged from the era, a struggle based on FAITH.
People want to be an individual who is unique, but cries out for a leader. One adores a figure with whom they have never sat down, perhaps has the most annoying habits, perhaps is a pain in the ass in family life, etc. People adore a ghost. Only a ghost can earn adulation because a real person is never perfect and can not live up to what aother people assign him with.
Unhealthy adoration causes people to sell themselves short. By only being able to act, even in small but usefull ways, when there is a leader people give up their own identity away and scream to be dominated, just to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions.
If one wants to fight the NWO one will first have to prove to be able to lead himself so that another leader doesn't have the opportunity to direct the individual in a different direction than is desired. If people are afraid of the NWO they would first need to be able to carry their own responsibility and not scream for a leader they can hide themselves behind.
Actually, on this forum two sayings apply: Actions speak louder than words & Words alone come to nothing.
As badly as I want Michael back "which I can't even put into words" and with out a doubt I know he will be, "I wonder" what will WE DO when he returns? What were we doing before he left? What has taken place and are we doing since he has been gone? I think if we ask those questions with all honesty and sincerity and with an open mind and heart we will find many answers.
And when these questions are answered, we may find the answer to BAM!!
Michael has taught his whole life by example. The question is what have we learned from the teacher? There comes a time when the taught have to teach, that is how knowledge spreads. One must apply the knowledge in their own lives. The degree does no good hanging on the wall, it looks good, but it does not produce until the knowledge it represents it put into actions.
So now we have all this knowledge, are we producing? The evidence will be seen in the world around us.
The history of the past 11 months proves that there are a lot of members here who have difficulties understanding TS' posts. There have been numerous posts in which was said: "you didn't READ TS' posts" and "you didn't understand what TS wrote". Like we have all seen, several members went through great lengths explaining TS' posts to those who didn't understand.
Therefore I'd like to kindly ask TS that IF a new post is in the make, to keep it short, clear and easy to understand for everyone this time. That would avoid people who think they understand what he means having to explain the post, based on their own interpretations, to those who don't understand. Explaining TS' posts based on someone else's interpretation is basically what has been happening since he started posting here.
I doubt any one of us is in any position to make suggestions to TS on how to do his job. Everyone has a choice to read it or not. I sound like a broken record by now but if TS wanted to convince everyone of his legitimacy he would have already done that. Hint hint. Besides, the added benefit or twist to TS is that you can't effectively explain TS to anyone else, each individual has to go read it for themselves. Hearsay is rendered impotent. That's illustrated by the still ongoing debate over TS's authenticity. Perhaps not always, but in the past the vast majority of those who argue against TS's authenticity have been those who haven't read the posts themselves, proof that trying to understand TS second hand is largely unsuccessful... so I'd like to know what specific observations you have made here that have caused you suddenly assume this position on the matter I underlined in your post... because based on your posting history up until now, what you're insinuating here is that you haven't understood the posts firsthand yourself in the past and are admitting you have relied on others interpretations of them to grasp the subject matter. It's fine if that's true, but I'd offer to suggest that you speak for yourself unless you can provide examples of this occurring on the boards with some frequency.
In regards to TS's lengthy posts, all you have to do to understand the posts is to read the words. The redirects on the other hand, are open to interpretation until the next update is posted, which then explains the redirects from the last phase one by one. Mo, why are you suddenly posting like someone who doesn't understand how TS works?
The ARG aspect of this hoax is obviously a journey that requires effort, it's not sexy or glitzy or exciting or eye candy for a quick thrill. This hoax has proven to be a testing ground for personal patience, diligence, and perseverance. Those looking for a quick fix need not apply. TS requires is your time and focus to read and absorb and comprehend it, and by virtue it rewards those who put in the miles. If someone doesn't want to give it that, so be it, there's plenty of other things to research and study in this hoax. This is a multifaceted ARG and I do not believe that all players experiences will be equal.
Can we just STOP this? Can we just agree to disagree? This debate has been going on for a week now and there really is nothing that one can say to the other at this point to change a person's mind when it comes to this argument. We seem to hold steady to our beliefs which is okay. All I read is the same arguments told to the same people. I think we have made our points pretty clear. Some of us believe that TS is not legit or needs to prove he is legit while there are some of us who believe that TS is legit and does not need to do anything further to prove he is legit. These thoughts of his identity have been here since TS started posting here. Can't we just release this tension that has been building on this board and learn to let go of our selfish ways and look at the things we DO agree on? And when we do disagree, learn to state our opinions without an attitude and with evidence to back up our claim? Someone posted this in the redirect yesterday. I feel it is appropriate to post it again because it looks like we haven't learned. Remember the L.O.V.E. guys...
But this is a peaceful debate. Conversation even, certainly not an argument.
I thought we all liked to talk about stuff. Sometimes we go over the same points for a week, it's true. Call us a bunch of geeks, lol <!-- s --><!-- s --> but I guess we just gotta keep going til we feel like being done... otherwise it'll just keep coming up.
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But this is a peaceful debate. Conversation even, certainly not an argument.
I thought we all liked to talk about stuff. Sometimes we go over the same points for a week, it's true. Call us a bunch of geeks, lol <!-- s --><!-- s --> but I guess we just gotta keep going til we feel like being done... otherwise it'll just keep coming up.
Though, I don't blame you fer being exasperated looking4truth. Sometimes you gotta just shake your head and leave us to chew it over, we promise to play nice and we'll catch up with you on the next thread <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Steve's Word from the Lord: Years ago, I gave a word from the Lord Jesus that before America was destroyed, the living God would make known the sins and unrighteousness of its leaders to the world, and how we Americans facilitated and participated in our own destruction. Our apathy and indifference, and the closing of our eyes to the very Constitutional principles that made our country great are no longer embraced, but abandoned to what history will declare led to the greatest destruction of any nation in the history of the world, but the worst is yet to come! Monstrous evil plans will be leaked by insiders and it will cause America to gasp and tremble! We have abandoned the very foundation of the living God who blessed and protected us and gave us victories when we were fighting for the most important word in the world – "freedom" and the Bill of Rights that all other nations of the world lacked. In simple terms, America was great due to God's grace, mercy and love who is now mocked and shunned. We have chosen the path of divine judgment and if you can't see everything is crumbling around us then you are wasting your time reading any news. We as a Nation have lost our will to survive and, in judgment, have been given leaders who will take their place along side the most "despotic figures of history" who used up their people and soldiers as stepping stones to their own greed and Old World Order plans for TOTAL CONTROL over those they will allow to live to serve them!
Steve's Word from the Lord: Years ago, I gave a word from the Lord Jesus that before America was destroyed, the living God would make known the sins and unrighteousness of its leaders to the world, and how we Americans facilitated and participated in our own destruction. Our apathy and indifference, and the closing of our eyes to the very Constitutional principles that made our country great are no longer embraced, but abandoned to what history will declare led to the greatest destruction of any nation in the history of the world, but the worst is yet to come! Monstrous evil plans will be leaked by insiders and it will cause America to gasp and tremble! We have abandoned the very foundation of the living God who blessed and protected us and gave us victories when we were fighting for the most important word in the world – "freedom" and the Bill of Rights that all other nations of the world lacked. In simple terms, America was great due to God's grace, mercy and love who is now mocked and shunned. We have chosen the path of divine judgment and if you can't see everything is crumbling around us then you are wasting your time reading any news. We as a Nation have lost our will to survive and, in judgment, have been given leaders who will take their place along side the most "despotic figures of history" who used up their people and soldiers as stepping stones to their own greed and Old World Order plans for TOTAL CONTROL over those they will allow to live to serve them!
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I totally agree that people need to apply the learning from this experience to their own circumstances.
When I look at what we have achieved together as a group of beLIEvers who do not personally know each other, I feel it is just amazing!
We have already been actively taking actions against media lies (see the ITV and The Independent campaigns), we have helped spreading articles that reflect the Truth about Michael, we have also created a charity sub-forum and very recently we have started to create the Michael's Army of Love website...
Once the Michael's Army of Love site is up, we were also discussing with other BeLIEvers doing a little flyer so that to start spreading the message that Michael is alive and will return in our neighbourhoods... and getting the whole World ready for BAM. We, in fact, did a little draft and I will post it on the Army of Love website thread when the site is nearer to completion.
So yes... We are learning from the Teacher and taking action as well ... It is great!
With L.O.V.E
That is truly wonderful!! The very smallest of sparks can start a forrest fire!! Hopefully the people that only visit here will take the initiative as well..
First I should explain my reasoning for posting these comments here. I know many people read TIAI threads and there has been alot of negative comments lately. Not necessarily in this thread but, I assume the readers here are not blind. I assume most of the readers have noticed all the confusion, doubt, fear, and negative vibe lately.
This is not a new thing. I have noticed this from day 1 of signing up here on the forum. I do see improvement in attitudes. I do see changes. Sometimes holding a mirror up to someone and showing their errors is the hardest thing a person can do and it is not comfortable doing it but, it is necessary. Holding a mirror in front of my own face is hard enough and yes I do it. I also see that Michael has been holding up a mirror to the world for far to long. It is time for this to change. It is time to take the enormous weight he has on his shoulders teaching the world and now transfer that task to us.
The army of L.O.V.E. should be action words and not just a catch phrase.
I am not saying that the people who have posted in this thread so far fall in this category below but, like I said at the start of my comment below "if the shoe fits where it". <!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: -->
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Mo posted a thread from a outsiders view about this forum of people. I am on the inside of the "hoax" and I have seen the very same things.
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isn't this really what he is about ? isn't this what he meant when he said we have to do . the governments not going to do it.
I doubt any one of us is in any position to make suggestions to TS on how to do his job. Everyone has a choice to read it or not. I sound like a broken record by now but if TS wanted to convince everyone of his legitimacy he would have already done that. Hint hint. Besides, the added benefit or twist to TS is that you can't effectively explain TS to anyone else, each individual has to go read it for themselves. Hearsay is rendered impotent. That's illustrated by the still ongoing debate over TS's authenticity. Perhaps not always, but in the past the vast majority of those who argue against TS's authenticity have been those who haven't read the posts themselves, proof that trying to understand TS second hand is largely unsuccessful... so I'd like to know what specific observations you have made here that have caused you suddenly assume this position on the matter I underlined in your post... because based on your posting history up until now, what you're insinuating here is that you haven't understood the posts firsthand yourself in the past and are admitting you have relied on others interpretations of them to grasp the subject matter. It's fine if that's true, but I'd offer to suggest that you speak for yourself unless you can provide examples of this occurring on the boards with some frequency.
In regards to TS's lengthy posts, all you have to do to understand the posts is to read the words. The redirects on the other hand, are open to interpretation until the next update is posted, which then explains the redirects from the last phase one by one. Mo, why are you suddenly posting like someone who doesn't understand how TS works?
The ARG aspect of this hoax is obviously a journey that requires effort, it's not sexy or glitzy or exciting or eye candy for a quick thrill. This hoax has proven to be a testing ground for personal patience, diligence, and perseverance. Those looking for a quick fix need not apply. TS requires is your time and focus to read and absorb and comprehend it, and by virtue it rewards those who put in the miles. If someone doesn't want to give it that, so be it, there's plenty of other things to research and study in this hoax. This is a multifaceted ARG and I do not believe that all players experiences will be equal.
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