TIAI January 17

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  • Happy Birthday Loyalfan! And thanks TS for the redirect.
    Love You More TS <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • SarahliSarahli Posts: 4,265
    Happy birthday loyalfan and thanks for the lovely pictures <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

    No way, my neighbor is an asocial sour a**hole <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: -->


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    first I have to laugh <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
    second, Gema.......what do you think we have to do about this kind of neighbors?
  • loyalfanloyalfan Posts: 1,641
    be as tolerant as we can,we dont have to be best buddies,but we do have to be civil......................imo ..lol xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • fordtocarrfordtocarr Posts: 1,547
    I've been a fellow investigator on here since 2009, and I've asked this before, and got no answer I can find. When I google my question it tells me Souza. So, someone tell me who is this TS???? Thanks
  • loyalfanloyalfan Posts: 1,641
    i dont think anyone can be 100% sure who TS is....................its like dod on f/book .....everyone on there talks as if they are talking to michael...........could be a wind up merchant for all we know...................curiouser and curiouser..............xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • fordtocarrfordtocarr Posts: 1,547
    But, which poster is TS on here? I don't see anyone with the name TS....and, is it someone claiming to know, knew or be in touch with Michael? Why do we put any faith in this person over you or I? Just wondering if that's the go to person and I've been missing out on info.
  • be as tolerant as we can,we dont have to be best buddies,but we do have to be civil......................imo ..lol xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


    That's true. It should be as simple as that if our complicated psychologies and the need for transference don't get too much in the way. Relationship and identity are complex endeavors. Ultimately, we need each other. We can't do this by ourselves.

    And, Happy Birthday!
  • KimKim Posts: 245
    Happy B'day to you hun! <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->
  • lilwendylilwendy Posts: 788
    But, which poster is TS on here? I don't see anyone with the name TS....and, is it someone claiming to know, knew or be in touch with Michael? Why do we put any faith in this person over you or I? Just wondering if that's the go to person and I've been missing out on info.

    Link to TS profile.

    <!-- l -->memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1440<!-- l -->

    and here are all TS's posts:

    <!-- l -->search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts<!-- l -->

    Start from the bottom (the oldest post) and work your way up.

    Hope this helps!
  • "Don't use your freedom to satisfy your sinful nature..." We could discuss the meaning of this for days!

    As a clinical psychologist, (and sometimes a cynical one <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> ), I naturally think in those terms tempered by my Christian faith, spirituality and San Francisco Bay upbringing (flower children unite!) I remembered that the famed psychoanalyst Erik Erikson wrote a book about Martin Luther.


    isbn.aspx?isbn=9780393310368
    If you have ever used the term 'identity crisis' you have psychologist Erik Erikson to thank - he invented the term.

    Erikson's focus on identity was shaped by his own background. The product of a brief affair between his married Jewish mother, Karla Abrahamsen, and an unidentified Danish man, the author grew up in Germany as Erik Homberger, the surname of his physician stepfather. At school he was teased for being Jewish, while at the synagogue he was pilloried for his 'Nordic god' appearance: tall, blonde and blue-eyed. When three half-sisters came along, this only intensified his feeling of being an outsider. In his late thirties, upon taking up US citizenship, Homberger changed his surname to 'Erikson', that is, son of himself.

    While Erikson paid particular attention to the formation of identity in adolescence, his great contribution was to note that the question 'Who am I?' will for the average person raise itself many times over the course of a lifetime. Freud had identified five stages of psychological development from infancy to the teenage years, but Erikson went further to cover the whole 'life cycle', with eight 'psychosocial' stages from birth to old age. As one stage ends, we experience a crisis when our identity comes into question, and at these points we can choose either growth or stagnation. Each choice, he said, lays another cornerstone in the structure of the adult personality. In fully appreciating the intensity of these turning points, Erikson shattered the myth that life after we turn 20 is one long flat line of stability.

    Erikson is famous for another reason. Although Freud had written a celebrated study of Leonardo da Vinci, it was Erikson's books on Gandhi and Martin Luther that established a new genre, 'psychobiography', or the application of psychological analysis to famous people's lives.

    In Luther he found an example of identity crisis par excellence.

    The Luther story in brief

    Though hard to understand now, the Christian Europe of Luther's childhood and adolescence was preoccupied with the 'Last Judgment', a final accounting of one's life in which all sins would be balanced against the good. People lived in fear of going to Hell, and prayed relentlessly for the souls of those who had died. Public torture of criminals was common, as was caning and whipping of children in school. The theme of life was total obedience: to one's elders, to the Church, to God.

    Into this “world-mood of guilt and sadness” as Erikson describes it, Martin Luther was born (1483). His father had come from peasant stock, but through hard work had become a small capitalist with an ownership stake in a mine. Through great thrift, Hans Luther had created a nest egg for his son's education. Martin would become a high-ranking lawyer, thereby vaulting the family out of its humble origins forever. He duly went to Latin school and did well, and at 17 entered university. In 1505 he graduated and enrolled in law school.

    But while at home for the summer break, Martin was almost struck by lightning during a thunderstorm. Already having misgivings about the life path laid out for him, he took the event as a sign and vowed to become a monk. His parents were devastated, but in 1501 he entered the Augustinian monastery at Erfurt.

    At first, all went well, as he enjoyed the holy atmosphere of the monastery. However, like any young man he was tempted by sexual thoughts and consumed by guilt. As the many Luther biographers tell it, he had some kind of panicked fit in the choir of his monastery church, crying out, 'I am not!' Erickson sees the event as indicating a classic identity crisis. He had left behind the secular career (not to mention marriage) his father had so wanted him to follow; yet now, after a promising 'Godly' beginning, the monastery path now seemed wrong as well, despite his desperate efforts to cling to his vows. He was caught in a terrible no man's land of identity. Whatever he thought he was, it is painfully clear he was not.

    Yet Martin stayed with the Church, ascending quickly. He became a Doctor of Theology, and by 1515 was a vicar in charge of eleven monasteries. All the time, though, a gap was growing between his understanding of genuine spiritual faith and his perception of the Church. According to medieval Catholic doctrine, sins required some kind of worldly punishment, which could be alleviated by doing 'good works'. Even this responsibility could be sidestepped by the purchase of 'indulgences', pieces of paper sold by the Church that poured money in its coffers. Yet this issue was just the tip of the iceberg for Luther. Quite radically, he had come to the belief that the authority of the Bible (the 'Word') was far more important than the authority of an institution.

    Things came to a head when, in October 1517, he nailed a document – the famous 95 Theses – to the door of Wittenburg Cathedral, outlining the areas where the Church had to reform. The document was a bombshell, but might never have had the impact it did were it not for the recent invention of the printing press, which enabled this and Luther's later writings to be spread far and wide. Anyone, from peasant to prince, who had a gripe with the status quo, now had a focus. Luther became a celebrity, and his rebellion sparked off the Reformation.

    Erikson's interpretation

    If Luther became the great rebel who changed the face of religion and the world, what took him so long? Rebellion is usually manifested in one's younger years, but Luther was 34 by the time he properly spoke out against the Church.

    Erikson's explanation is that young people must first believe in something intensely before they turn against it, and Luther was desperate to believe in the Church's divine authority. He may never have become the Church's most vocal critic unless he had first gone through the experience of complete devotion and attachment. Erikson comments that great figures in history often spend years in a passive state. From a young age they may feel that they will create a big stamp on the world, but unconsciously wait for their particular truth to form itself in their minds, until they can make the most impact at the right time. This was the case with Luther.

    Erikson gives much space to a psychoanalytical discussion of Luther's relationships with his father. He surmises that Martin's courage in standing up to the Holy Roman Church can only be understood in the context of his initial disobedience to his father. Perhaps surprisingly, Erikson suggests Luther was not rebellious by nature (in fact in many ways he was reactionary), but having once disobeyed the major figure in his life, this put him on a trajectory of disobedience.

    Erikson's most intriguing point is that, yes, Luther changed the world via his theological position, but that position was the result of the working out of his own personal demons and identity crises. Was he Luther the good monk, Luther the good son, or Luther the great reformer?

    His need to work through his own neuroses relating to guilt, combined with a deep feeling for justice, resulted in a deep personal conviction that happened to be writ large on history.

    Erikson likens major identity crises to a 'second birth', an idea he got from William James. While the once-born person 'rather painlessly fit themselves and are fitted into the ideology of their age', twice-born people are often tortured souls who seek healing in some total conversion experience that will give them direction. The positive aspect of the twice-born is that if they do successfully transform themselves, they have the potential to take the world along with them. It took a while for Luther to work out who he was, but once he had not even the Pope could stop him.

    The importance of time out

    Erikson considered it extremely important whether or not a society is able to accommodate youthful identity crisis. He wrote about the concept of 'moratorium', a period of time or an experience that a culture deliberately creates so a young person can 'find themselves' before embarking on proper adulthood. Today, a person may take a 'gap year' between finishing school and starting college. In Luther's time a period in the monastery gave many young men an opportunity to decide 'what one is and is going to be'.

    What would have happened if Martin had done what his father wanted and entered the legal profession? He may have done well in a conventional sense, but never fulfilled his potential.

    Erikson remarks that the real crisis in a person's life often comes in their late twenties, when they realize they are overcommitted to some path they feel is 'not them', even if they entered it enthusiastically in the first place. Their very success has put them into a hole that may require all their psychological strength to climb out of.

    Erikson's broader point is that if you have a culture in which at certain vital junctures, people feel pressured to choose stagnation over growth, society at large will suffer. All wise cultures acknowledge the youthful identity crisis and seek to accommodate it. Though troublesome in the short term, the new ideas and energies that are unleashed by these personal turning points can bring rejuvenation, not just to he person experiencing it but to the wider community.

    Luther's final crisis

    Even at the height of his fame and power, Luther was still writing to his father trying to defend and justify his actions – and like his dad, in middle age and later he became something of a reactionary. The firebrand ended up in middle-class comfort, defending Germany's system of princely government and urging the peasants to accept their station in life. In outlook and habits, he remained a 'provincial' rather than a super-worldly figure. He became just as his father had wanted him to be: influential, well off, married.

    You would have thought this would be the happiest time in Luther's life. In fact it ushered in what Erikson calls the mature adult crisis of 'generativity', in which one asks, has whatever I have created been worth it? Would I do it all over again, or have I wasted my years? Luther's first crisis was of pure identity; this one, Erikson notes, was of integrity. Despite being a 'great man', Luther still had to go through this phase, as every older adult inevitably does.

    Erikson's point is that the issue of identity is never completely solved. When one aspect of us achieves wholeness, there is still some larger self that is trying to make sense of experience. Luther's life might be characterized as a succession of statements to himself of 'what he is not'. That, in a way, is the easy half of identity formation. We are still left with the task of deciding what we are.

    Final word

    How a person changes their conception of themselves over a lifetime is one of the most intriguing questions in psychology, because identity – who or what we know ourselves to be, or at least hope we are - is so fundamental.

    There is a tendency to belittle someone going through an identity crisis, to emphasize the 'normality' of it. Yet Erikson's observation of Luther could be said of all of us in the same position: “He acts as if mankind were starting all over with his own beginning as an individual...To him, history ends as well as starts with him...” This may sound like the self-absorption of the adolescent, yet at all ages a person must come to some kind of resolution about where they stand in relation to the world. Unless society does what it can to assist successful passage through the major life turning points, not only will the cost be mental illness, but also the loss of potential.

    The obvious danger of psychobiography is that you can read too much into a person's childhood and its effect on later life. However, the connection that Erikson makes between a severe childhood and domineering father on the one hand, and the tenor of the times in which Luther lived, is convincing. He shows that Luther's personal crises could not be separated from the social changes happening around him, and that the whole Reformation could be seen as Luther's personal issues getting worked out on a global scale. It was his own conscience, for instance, that drove him to reposition the Church as secondary to a person's direct relationship with God. And as a true believer, Luther's insistence on faith above 'good works' also reshaped Christendom.

    Psychology matters, Erikson was trying to say, because history is essentially the acting out of individual psychologies.
  • bonitabonita Posts: 172
    thankyou all so much xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx as you can see.its all about love for others xxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Wow loyalfan, I LOVE your hair!! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
    Also, what an adorable little baby! <3
  • fordtocarrfordtocarr Posts: 1,547
    lilwendy...thanks for the info...reading now <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • MJFAN7MJFAN7 Posts: 3,063
    I love this! Thanks TS! Happy MLK Day. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • MissGMissG Posts: 7,403
    You are giving me a hard time Gema <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    Ooopppps, thorry <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
    If I give you the description of what I believe is God, like the Creator of all things, you included <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> , will it be enough for you?
    Yes, if that is your answer to me <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
    So open your heart to God can mean study the question don't be oblivious about it and close your heart to the possibility. Because a lot of people just don't look further but I know Gema that you do look further, so in a sense you are aleady opening your heart to this avenue.
    I get your point <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
    God bless you Gema (I know you love that <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ).
    <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Thanks, blessings back
  • MissGMissG Posts: 7,403
    first I have to laugh <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
    second, Gema.......what do you think we have to do about this kind of neighbors?

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  • MissGMissG Posts: 7,403
    "Don't use your freedom to satisfy your sinful nature..." We could discuss the meaning of this for days!
    How a person changes their conception of themselves over a lifetime is one of the most intriguing questions in psychology, because identity – who or what we know ourselves to be, or at least hope we are - is so fundamental.

    My view of it <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
    Although there are ways in which persons are similar, each person (in the Gestalt approach) is distinct, significantly different from all others, and perceives the world in unique ways. Each person is valued and respected as is; and any changes for that person are dictated and limited by what that person knows and wants.

    So, what are we talking about? Awareness!
  • lilwendylilwendy Posts: 788
    lilwendy...thanks for the info...reading now <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    You're welcome! See you in a week! hahahaha just kidding... see you in two days! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • lilwendylilwendy Posts: 788
    first I have to laugh <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
    second, Gema.......what do you think we have to do about this kind of neighbors?

    this
    >free-fighting-smileys-395%5B1%5D.gif

    Gema!!! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> You are priceless!!! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    suspicious mind, I enjoyed the song you posted!
    SoldierofLove
    Psychology matters, Erikson was trying to say, because history is essentially the acting out of individual psychologies.
    I agree, we are all complex creations, and we each have ripples that go out from us, touching everything else around us. Martin Luther was acting upon the influences God had placed in his life, and the personality God gave him. We are all a part of each other, whether we like it or not. And we are all in God.
    by Gema » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:45 am
    Sarahli wrote:Open your heart to God

    In order to do that, first we need to define and agree on the concept of God and why it is neccesary for our existance to have the concept of God.

    So far, after all that I have read, the concept of God is too abstract.

    Civil, moral and ethic rules are shown in the bible (also in the Qurán and other religious philosophy), all based in being a good samaritan able to live within peace accepting rules and patterns of behaviour, at times based on fear and at times based on pure conditioning.

    At the end, the aim is to achieve being a better person for yourself and others around you.

    Do we need an outer reason (God) for that?

    The truth is that the concept of God covers many fields. It is the resort for everything, but still, imo, it is placebo.
    My math son says that also, that when we're stumped or can't figure out something then man inserts the word "God" and then the problem is solved. I like Albert Einstein's words, "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." I think as long as you are happy and wanting to help others around you to be happy, then what you believe is fine. What a person believes has absolutely no effect on God or whether He exists or not. He will go on existing and doing His things as He always has and always will. I believe it is Him who lives and moves in you to make you think the way you are thinking. So just go on being you!! If or when God/The Creator chooses to give you a <!-- s:idea: -->:idea:<!-- s:idea: --> moment, that's great too. JMO
    by GINAFELICIA » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:23 pm
    Gema wrote: For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

    No way, my neighbor is an asocial sour a**hole
    first I have to laugh
    second, Gema.......what do you think we have to do about this kind of neighbors?
    <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> I'm sure most of us were chuckling also. I just have to look in the mirror to start to find people I'm not totally happy with! But Gina you said we need to start by loving ourselves before we can love others. I believe Michael struggled with that very much, truly loving the way he looked, the life he'd been given by God. I remember hearing him talking to himself in the 2003 Gary, Indiana visit video, and he said, "I don't like my smile, but if you want me to I'll smile for you." <!-- s:cry: -->:cry:<!-- s:cry: --> So Gina I don't know what to do about ornery people such as at my job, except be like Michael with the media, smile/be kind and walk away.

    Good redirect TS, because it is at the crux of the matter, including all our words on this forum. We are all neighbours here!
  • naviblnavibl Posts: 117
    Michael said his message was simple. Jesus gave a simple message...LOVE. Jesus said if you only love those who love you, what reward is there. It is easy to love someone as long as they agree and treat you the way you want to be treated, but that is not true love. Jesus said love one another as I have loved you. If not for the love of Christ we would not stand a chance on this earth. It is by God's grace that we are live..period.

    The point in the last two redirects is this. Martin Luther taught the message of Grace which is that we only have to call upon the name of the Lord and believe in what took place on the cross when Jesus died for our sins. Jesus said I came not to destroy the law (10 commandments) but to full fill it. Jesus was the only human being on earth that was capable of living by the ten commandments. Thus he full filled the law. He in turn gave us two commandments, to Love God and love one another. If we do those two things, the commandments are covered. Jesus knew man would always make mistakes but his sacrafice on the cross opened the door to direct communication with God.

    God sent Jesus to show us how to live life and to understand our hurt and sorrow. Jesus was the spirit of God in a human body. So when he says he is the only way, it is infact the only way to the Heavenly Father because the Father dwelt in Jesus. Jesus is not a belief system, he was sent by God to bring salvation to mankind. No religion can do that, which is why the churches have been in effective. Love is Jesus and Jesus is Love. That is why Michael sang of us Loving one another and bringing salvation back.

    The law was given to Moses as a barrometer to show us our short commings in what God expected of us. The children of Israel told God they could do any and everything he required of him, but when Moses went up to the mountain and was given the commandments, by the time he came down they had built a golden calf and was worshipping it.

    They had already broken the commandment that said, thou shalt have no other Gods before me. But Jesus gave us freedom from condemnation of not abiding by the law and if we slip up we can go directly to the Father and talk with him and ask forgiveness, there was no more need for sacrifice on an alter. And that gave man the freedom to communicate directly with God.

    Evil can not come into Gods presence so when we accept Jesus Christ we can go to the Father because he no longer see us as evil but as righteousness. That is freedom, and today's redirect is telling us not to take this freedom as a license to commit sin thinking it is no big deal, but to take this freedom that we have because of the Love Jesus has for us and use it to show Love to others unconditionally, just the way we are loved by our Heavenly Father.
  • angelangel Posts: 349
    Good post, Victoria, well said. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> Thank you, TS, for this timely redirect. God bless you.
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    by GINAFELICIA » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:23 pm
    Gema wrote: For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

    No way, my neighbor is an asocial sour a**hole
    first I have to laugh
    second, Gema.......what do you think we have to do about this kind of neighbors?
    <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> I'm sure most of us were chuckling also. I just have to look in the mirror to start to find people I'm not totally happy with! But Gina you said we need to start by loving ourselves before we can love others. I believe Michael struggled with that very much, truly loving the way he looked, the life he'd been given by God. I remember hearing him talking to himself in the 2003 Gary, Indiana visit video, and he said, "I don't like my smile, but if you want me to I'll smile for you." <!-- s:cry: -->:cry:<!-- s:cry: --> So Gina I don't know what to do about ornery people such as at my job, except be like Michael with the media, smile/be kind and walk away.

    MJonmind it is not me who said it but BlackJack..... and I think it is true.
    I do not believe Michael didn't like his smile..... it was probably one of those PR things of him.....he has the most beautiful smile in the world.... he even smiles with his eyes

    What to do about ornery people...... you know I've noticed something with people around....... if you smile to them they will smile back to you......and then they will feel compelled to be nice to you......the most of them...... I guess we must give a little credit even to the most stubborn ones.....
    Gemaaaaaaa........ I guess it's OK to do that to your neighbor here.... just don't actualy try it please.....
  • jonojono Posts: 279
    Michael said his message was simple. Jesus gave a simple message...LOVE. Jesus said if you only love those who love you, what reward is there. It is easy to love someone as long as they agree and treat you the way you want to be treated, but that is not true love. Jesus said love one another as I have loved you. If not for the love of Christ we would not stand a chance on this earth. It is by God's grace that we are live..period.

    The point in the last two redirects is this. Martin Luther taught the message of Grace which is that we only have to call upon the name of the Lord and believe in what took place on the cross when Jesus died for our sins. Jesus said I came not to destroy the law (10 commandments) but to full fill it. Jesus was the only human being on earth that was capable of living by the ten commandments. Thus he full filled the law. He in turn gave us two commandments, to Love God and love one another. If we do those two things, the commandments are covered. Jesus knew man would always make mistakes but his sacrafice on the cross opened the door to direct communication with God.

    God sent Jesus to show us how to live life and to understand our hurt and sorrow. Jesus was the spirit of God in a human body. So when he says he is the only way, it is infact the only way to the Heavenly Father because the Father dwelt in Jesus. Jesus is not a belief system, he was sent by God to bring salvation to mankind. No religion can do that, which is why the churches have been in effective. Love is Jesus and Jesus is Love. That is why Michael sang of us Loving one another and bringing salvation back.

    The law was given to Moses as a barrometer to show us our short commings in what God expected of us. The children of Israel told God they could do any and everything he required of him, but when Moses went up to the mountain and was given the commandments, by the time he came down they had built a golden calf and was worshipping it.

    They had already broken the commandment that said, thou shalt have no other Gods before me. But Jesus gave us freedom from condemnation of not abiding by the law and if we slip up we can go directly to the Father and talk with him and ask forgiveness, there was no more need for sacrifice on an alter. And that gave man the freedom to communicate directly with God.

    Evil can not come into Gods presence so when we accept Jesus Christ we can go to the Father because he no longer see us as evil but as righteousness. That is freedom, and today's redirect is telling us not to take this freedom as a license to commit sin thinking it is no big deal, but to take this freedom that we have because of the Love Jesus has for us and use it to show Love to others unconditionally, just the way we are loved by our Heavenly Father.

    Word!! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->

    What you just wrote is THE TRUTH and the truth shall set us FREE.

    L.O.V.E
  • @ soldieroflove... your post was extemely interesting. I did not read the rest of the thread but I had to respond to you. You are a member from another country and it was very interesting to me to see what you have been taught about Martin Luther King . I am Canadian but as we live nextdoor to the elephant we see what they say.

    I was blown away by your insight into an American hero and his family and what you were taught and what you see, and you have given me a new way to see this national hero and his son. I am impressed by your thoughts and you have given me much to think about. Thanks for that !! Hero worship can sometimes be a strange thing. Just my opinion folks and cheers.
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