Some say I don't know much (I beg to differ 'cause I'm here..hee) but my initial thought was - Michael ?!?!
There are some pics from the '90's, he's wearing black jeans, white unbuttened shirt and in one of the pics his hand is placed exactly the same as CM. They certainly look identical, especially the nail beds.
That is exactly the picture I compared it with. Same hands.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
<!-- s --><!-- s --> Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something?
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
yes.. we all debated if michael was murray in the video murray did for his clients and freinds... we thought he was a digitally made person or michael... mmmm
1- we're not in the 80s, nor 90s. So Would Michael have the exact hands he had back then? With time,hands change, even mine changed in past 10 years. Does he have a prostetic make up of his hands from the 80's?
2- Murray's height, no matter if he's not besides anyone, is pretty obvious. For instance, I can tell very well the height of a person just by seeing him/her in a photo even if I see that someone for the first time. Murray is a man in his 6'0 -6'3 and I cut my hand for it. It's highly obvious. No matter if he walks alone or he's besides anyone
3 - Can you actually see all those details in a so low quality photo? Details of the nails can be seen accuratelly only in very HI-Q photos.
4- Even if the photo is not in Hi-Q I can tell the shape of his fingers is not Michael's. Why: a detail that jumps in my eyes is that Michael's fingers always had a different shape than in most people - no matter 70s-80-s-90s-00. His fingers bend from the middle and he doesn't bend at all his phalanx - as Murray does in this photo. Even if we regard the possibility of a prosthetic make-up, he would bend his fingers the same way no matter if the prosthetic make-up gives his fingers another look.He would bend them from the same point.
1- we're not in the 80s, nor 90s. So Would Michael have the exact hands he had back then? With time,hands change, even mine changed in past 10 years. Does he have a prostetic make up of his hands from the 80's?
Yeah, probably the same as his body miraculously changed? Your hands may get older, but they stay the same. It's how you are built.
2- Murray's height, no matter if he's not besides anyone, is pretty obvious. For instance, I can tell very well the height of a person just by seeing him/her in a photo even if I see that someone for the first time. Murray is a man in his 6'0 -6'3 and I cut my hand for it. It's highly obvious. No matter if he walks alone or he's besides anyone
That doesn't make sense at all. You can't possibly tell from a picture when no one is around, how tall someone is. Utter BS.
3 - Can you actually see all those details in a so low quality photo? Details of the nails can be seen accuratelly only in very HI-Q photos.
Yes, I can see the details.
4- Even if the photo is not in Hi-Q I can tell the shape of his fingers is not Michael's. Why: a detail that jumps in my eyes is that Michael's fingers always had a different shape than in most people - no matter 70s-80-s-90s-00. His fingers bend from the middle and he doesn't bend at all his phalanx - as Murray does in this photo. Even if we regard the possibility of a prosthetic make-up, he would bend his fingers the same way no matter if the prosthetic make-up gives his fingers another look.He would bend them from the same point.
You must be looking at O2 dude's hands...
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Actually, hands do change. Skin on your hands certainly changes, and Michael has discoloration in his nails that was pretty prounounced. Overall shape of hands can change as well, due to arthritis for instance. If you look at pictures of Michael's hands from BAD and Thriller time and compare them with let say the L'Uomo or the Vanity Fair shoot, you can see changes. Hands are one of those indicators of actual age- people have surgery on their faces and even necks now, but hands still will indicate your age (due to skin and skeletal changes)
Also, while CM's hand in the shot are large, his index finger looks much different from Michael's. Michael has a stronger middle section and a longer top section of that digit.
So, I really don't think Michael is CM here- however, I think CM (or whoever he is) has been instructed to walk like Michael or pose in similar stances/poses (remember when he was against that wall and it almost looked like he was wearing the tux from Off the Wall?)
However, Souza, the first thing I thought of when I saw that headline were the Barely Legal magazines from the 05 trial. That day was such a nightmare for Michael. If you read the transcripts, it is almost ridiculous how they spent so much just arguing what to call the magazines- Sneddon wanted to call them "porn" but since they are legal and were legally purchases he had to call them "adult material"- talk about trying to influence a jury (people have a much stronger reaction to the word porn than to adult material). And yes, the only oiont made with all this (besides humiliating Michael and his family) was that he was a normal heterosexual man. Interesting that this phrase popped up "randomly" (yeah right).
Actually, hands do change. Skin on your hands certainly changes, and Michael has discoloration in his nails that was pretty prounounced. Overall shape of hands can change as well, due to arthritis for instance. If you look at pictures of Michael's hands from BAD and Thriller time and compare them with let say the L'Uomo or the Vanity Fair shoot, you can see changes. Hands are one of those indicators of actual age- people have surgery on their faces and even necks now, but hands still will indicate your age (due to skin and skeletal changes)
Also, while CM's hand in the shot are large, his index finger looks much different from Michael's. Michael has a stronger middle section and a longer top section of that digit.
So, I really don't think Michael is CM here- however, I think CM (or whoever he is) has been instructed to walk like Michael or pose in similar stances/poses (remember when he was against that wall and it almost looked like he was wearing the tux from Off the Wall?)
However, Souza, the first thing I thought of when I saw that headline were the Barely Legal magazines from the 05 trial. That day was such a nightmare for Michael. If you read the transcripts, it is almost ridiculous how they spent so much just arguing what to call the magazines- Sneddon wanted to call them "porn" but since they are legal and were legally purchases he had to call them "adult material"- talk about trying to influence a jury (people have a much stronger reaction to the word porn than to adult material). And yes, the only oiont made with all this (besides humiliating Michael and his family) was that he was a normal heterosexual man. Interesting that this phrase popped up "randomly" (yeah right).
We don't know he had artritis, he only had a bump on his little finger. Anything could have caused that. And he is in his early 50's, not 80+. My grandfather even still has the same hands as he had 40 years ago. My dad is in his 60's and works with his hands, injures them a lot (even sawed off a part of his hand) but still his hands are the same as they always have been, except for the part that is clearly missing of course. A few more scars, a little bump somewhere maybe, but the same hands. Same goes for my mother. Your vains stay in the same place and the overall shape stays the same, unless you have some illness that totally disforms your hands. Murray's hand is pretty much identical to that of MJ in the late 80's, which is quite a big coincidence if you ask me. Of course, it MIGHT BE a coincidence, but I don't really believe in coincidences anymore. And I choose not to compare with recent pics, because I am sure the hoax has been going on for 20 years and therefore everything we see after BAD is questionable to me. The make up, the wigs...makes me wonder what else was an illusion. Like the nose, that changed by the day, only to get back to its former BAD era shape in the end. Michael altered the shape of his nose on purpose, with a very clever use of make up. Just look at pictures of the History Era. In the teaser we see Mike with a perfectly normal, broad straight nose. Then we have a nose looking sharp as a knife at the tour at times (not all the time) and if you look closely, you see dark make-up on the sides. I had make up classes years ago and that's what they teach you to make a nose look much slimmer, dark shades on the sides. So if he built an illusion around his nose, who says he didn't build an illusion around other body parts? Cleft in chin same thing. One time big and deep, other time almost vanished. Eyes big (white line on bottom eye lid), eyes small (dark eyeliner). So I can't tell how he looks like by looking at pictures from the past 20 years, because he changes by the shot. That is why I use the older ones.
And yes, I have read pretty much everything about the trial and it still makes my blood boil when I think of it.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
<!-- s --><!-- s --> Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something?
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
You forgot the old man. All of the old men appeared in MJ related videos were Michael too. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
You're family is very lucky, Souza. My Mom's hands changed a lot- skin and skeletal wise. Mine have, too. My veins are more pronounced now at 42 and the skin def has changed to more crinkled and thinner.
Now, I have many male African America friends and their hands have not changed so much- other than the skin and veins more pronounced.
I still think the top section of MJ's index finger is much longer. If anyone has she pics from Vanity Fair (there are a couple where you can see his hands very well) you'll see what I mean. And that was 2007. Anyway....not saying you could not be correct, cause heaven knows how many odd things have happened in the past 21 months. And I suspect it ain't over till it's over...
Lol- the Eddie Murphy pic made me laugh.. Yes, it is amazing what can be done with prosthetic masks and suits these days. Therefore...who knows... At this rate, I would not be too surprised if at the Finale of American Idol, JLo would be revealed to be Michael.. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
<!-- s --><!-- s --> Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something?
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
You forgot the old man. All of the old men appeared in MJ related videos were Michael too. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I think we have seen him much more then we even suspected on here. I have a list and there are few on there that were never even posted on the forum, or laughed at. I have my reasons to believe it's MJ in disguise but I will refrain from sharing it from now on. Laughing at thoughts like this is disrespectful and childish, and since we all know that anything is possible with Michael Jackson, it's pretty ignorant as well.
I never thought Pinoccio or greenman were MJ, but I didn't laugh at it, because I am sure he goes out in disguises, and I have a list of them myself, so why laugh at it? If you can't prove someone wrong, you can't possibly make fun of their ideas. Practice what you preach and if you disagree, just simply disagree without making fun of people. I don't give a fuck because people already think I'm insane, but I know there are people on here who do care and feel offended by it. Think about that the next time you laugh at someone without proving them wrong or backing up your claims, and remember that you also could be very wrong. Discussing and claiming you don't agree is fine, ridicule is not.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
<!-- s --><!-- s --> Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something?
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
You forgot the old man. All of the old men appeared in MJ related videos were Michael too. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I think we have seen him much more then we even suspected on here. I have a list and there are few on there that were never even posted on the forum, or laughed at. I have my reasons to believe it's MJ in disguise but I will refrain from sharing it from now on. Laughing at thoughts like this is disrespectful and childish, and since we all know that anything is possible with Michael Jackson, it's pretty ignorant as well.
I never thought Pinoccio or greenman were MJ, but I didn't laugh at it, because I am sure he goes out in disguises, and I have a list of them myself, so why laugh at it? If you can't prove someone wrong, you can't possibly make fun of their ideas. Practice what you preach and if you disagree, just simply disagree without making fun of people. I don't give a fuck because people already think I'm insane, but I know there are people on here who do care and feel offended by it. Think about that the next time you laugh at someone without proving them wrong or backing up your claims, and remember that you also could be very wrong. Discussing and claiming you don't agree is fine, ridicule is not.
No need to be offended Souza. I never judged you why you think Murray is Michael. I believe that the hat man at the memorial was Michael. So I do believe he use disguises. I'm not ridiculing ANYONE here, I'm having fun with the idea of Michael in all of those disguises. It makes me laugh. Not laughing at anyone's thoughts, laughing at the image I create on my mind seeing Michael disguised as a blonde lady or Murray etc. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> My opinion about Michael disguised as Murray; it is beyond craziness. But still it is fun to think of him disguised like Murray.
(I feel Macaulay Culkin was hatman at the memorial only.)
I've always felt there were 2 Murrays, and way back someone did a line-up of eyes/mouth etc. of youtube Murray and MJ, and they matched. Also there has been such a strong consistent placing of MJ/Murray pics side-by-side on TMZ that makes you wonder if they're hinting. Murray's Youtube messages seemed to be MJ's words to us. There was that weird half white hand on the original Murray pic we had. There's the fact that beach Murray has a major pot and the recent Murray is trim. His fingers do look like younger MJ's. And what was with hatman at the funeral's paisley tie matching Murray's going to court. Got to admit something fishy but what. They have certainly been toying with us. There was pic of that extra black big Murray in the beginning who's face didn't look like our Murray. They showed that supposed uncle of Murray's that was just our Murray with gray hair and a beard <!-- s --><!-- s --> . They've obviously taken all the pics of Murray pre June 25,09 since no one seems to know him or care to even look his way. Murray says he loves MJ's mother like his own. When he says, "I am an innocent man", it reminds me of Michael's song notes scribbled after his trial, Innocent Man. Everything about his medical practise and patients is downright off. I know in the making of the Lord of the Rings, they can do amazing things to produce the illusion that someone is way taller than others, like Gandalf and the hobbits. I'd like to see that lawyer that always walks with Murray, with some other people so we know his true height. We may have to laugh our heads off at the final truth of just how great an actor MJ is, and how public he actually has been through this whole hoax. But not knowing and feeling the sting of others laughing at us is hard to take. Right since the beginning Murray has somehow seemed like Michael to me, but I have no proof. What a major shenanaigan MJ has pulled off here. Hope no one kills themself over this.
The dude is really tall. Especially to be Michael in disguise. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> And definitely that's not Michael's hot ass. <!-- s --><!-- s --> They took 33 pictures of him. 33
<!-- s --><!-- s --> Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something?
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
You forgot the old man. All of the old men appeared in MJ related videos were Michael too. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I think we have seen him much more then we even suspected on here. I have a list and there are few on there that were never even posted on the forum, or laughed at. I have my reasons to believe it's MJ in disguise but I will refrain from sharing it from now on. Laughing at thoughts like this is disrespectful and childish, and since we all know that anything is possible with Michael Jackson, it's pretty ignorant as well.
I never thought Pinoccio or greenman were MJ, but I didn't laugh at it, because I am sure he goes out in disguises, and I have a list of them myself, so why laugh at it? If you can't prove someone wrong, you can't possibly make fun of their ideas. Practice what you preach and if you disagree, just simply disagree without making fun of people. I don't give a fuck because people already think I'm insane, but I know there are people on here who do care and feel offended by it. Think about that the next time you laugh at someone without proving them wrong or backing up your claims, and remember that you also could be very wrong. Discussing and claiming you don't agree is fine, ridicule is not.
I am sure the laugh is on the summary of Michael's possible appearances, not your opinion.
I thought and still think between blond woman and fedora man on memorial as Michael.
Murray sure has lost that beer gut since the swim pics hasn't he <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
He must have runned fast and a lot on that beach. <!-- s --><!-- s --> ahhh and he was going to gym, remember? He is a sportive dude. It's not easy to be the star of the movie. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
The dude is really tall. Especially to be Michael in disguise. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> And definitely that's not Michael's hot ass. <!-- s --><!-- s --> They took 33 pictures of him. 33
Thank you for finding these photos. As I said too. This guy is at least 6'0 if not even 6'3. I personally don't need people around him to be able to state this
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That is exactly the picture I compared it with. Same hands.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."yes.. we all debated if michael was murray in the video murray did for his clients and freinds... we thought he was a digitally made person or michael... mmmm
2- Murray's height, no matter if he's not besides anyone, is pretty obvious. For instance, I can tell very well the height of a person just by seeing him/her in a photo even if I see that someone for the first time. Murray is a man in his 6'0 -6'3 and I cut my hand for it. It's highly obvious. No matter if he walks alone or he's besides anyone
3 - Can you actually see all those details in a so low quality photo? Details of the nails can be seen accuratelly only in very HI-Q photos.
4- Even if the photo is not in Hi-Q I can tell the shape of his fingers is not Michael's. Why: a detail that jumps in my eyes is that Michael's fingers always had a different shape than in most people - no matter 70s-80-s-90s-00. His fingers bend from the middle and he doesn't bend at all his phalanx - as Murray does in this photo. Even if we regard the possibility of a prosthetic make-up, he would bend his fingers the same way no matter if the prosthetic make-up gives his fingers another look.He would bend them from the same point.
Yeah, probably the same as his body miraculously changed? Your hands may get older, but they stay the same. It's how you are built.
That doesn't make sense at all. You can't possibly tell from a picture when no one is around, how tall someone is. Utter BS.
Yes, I can see the details.
You must be looking at O2 dude's hands...
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Also, while CM's hand in the shot are large, his index finger looks much different from Michael's. Michael has a stronger middle section and a longer top section of that digit.
So, I really don't think Michael is CM here- however, I think CM (or whoever he is) has been instructed to walk like Michael or pose in similar stances/poses (remember when he was against that wall and it almost looked like he was wearing the tux from Off the Wall?)
However, Souza, the first thing I thought of when I saw that headline were the Barely Legal magazines from the 05 trial. That day was such a nightmare for Michael. If you read the transcripts, it is almost ridiculous how they spent so much just arguing what to call the magazines- Sneddon wanted to call them "porn" but since they are legal and were legally purchases he had to call them "adult material"- talk about trying to influence a jury (people have a much stronger reaction to the word porn than to adult material). And yes, the only oiont made with all this (besides humiliating Michael and his family) was that he was a normal heterosexual man. Interesting that this phrase popped up "randomly" (yeah right).
Right. Some people forgot about it.
We don't know he had artritis, he only had a bump on his little finger. Anything could have caused that. And he is in his early 50's, not 80+. My grandfather even still has the same hands as he had 40 years ago. My dad is in his 60's and works with his hands, injures them a lot (even sawed off a part of his hand) but still his hands are the same as they always have been, except for the part that is clearly missing of course. A few more scars, a little bump somewhere maybe, but the same hands. Same goes for my mother. Your vains stay in the same place and the overall shape stays the same, unless you have some illness that totally disforms your hands. Murray's hand is pretty much identical to that of MJ in the late 80's, which is quite a big coincidence if you ask me. Of course, it MIGHT BE a coincidence, but I don't really believe in coincidences anymore. And I choose not to compare with recent pics, because I am sure the hoax has been going on for 20 years and therefore everything we see after BAD is questionable to me. The make up, the wigs...makes me wonder what else was an illusion. Like the nose, that changed by the day, only to get back to its former BAD era shape in the end. Michael altered the shape of his nose on purpose, with a very clever use of make up. Just look at pictures of the History Era. In the teaser we see Mike with a perfectly normal, broad straight nose. Then we have a nose looking sharp as a knife at the tour at times (not all the time) and if you look closely, you see dark make-up on the sides. I had make up classes years ago and that's what they teach you to make a nose look much slimmer, dark shades on the sides. So if he built an illusion around his nose, who says he didn't build an illusion around other body parts? Cleft in chin same thing. One time big and deep, other time almost vanished. Eyes big (white line on bottom eye lid), eyes small (dark eyeliner). So I can't tell how he looks like by looking at pictures from the past 20 years, because he changes by the shot. That is why I use the older ones.
And yes, I have read pretty much everything about the trial and it still makes my blood boil when I think of it.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Look: (this is Eddie Murphy in The Klumps)
And the article link: http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/entertainment/pop-culture/MOVIES:+The+fat+suit+mystique/
And here's Murray:
And don't forget Janet played with Murphy in that film.... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
If you can fake a pregnancy with a prosthetic belly, you can fake an outty too. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
http://www.myfakepregnancy.com/2010/10/how-to-fake-pregnancy.html
http://www.ehow.com/how_4684978_fake-being-pregnant-fool-people.html
You forgot the old man. All of the old men appeared in MJ related videos were Michael too. <!-- s
Now, I have many male African America friends and their hands have not changed so much- other than the skin and veins more pronounced.
I still think the top section of MJ's index finger is much longer. If anyone has she pics from Vanity Fair (there are a couple where you can see his hands very well) you'll see what I mean. And that was 2007. Anyway....not saying you could not be correct, cause heaven knows how many odd things have happened in the past 21 months. And I suspect it ain't over till it's over...
Lol- the Eddie Murphy pic made me laugh.. Yes, it is amazing what can be done with prosthetic masks and suits these days. Therefore...who knows... At this rate, I would not be too surprised if at the Finale of American Idol, JLo would be revealed to be Michael.. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I think we have seen him much more then we even suspected on here. I have a list and there are few on there that were never even posted on the forum, or laughed at. I have my reasons to believe it's MJ in disguise but I will refrain from sharing it from now on. Laughing at thoughts like this is disrespectful and childish, and since we all know that anything is possible with Michael Jackson, it's pretty ignorant as well.
I never thought Pinoccio or greenman were MJ, but I didn't laugh at it, because I am sure he goes out in disguises, and I have a list of them myself, so why laugh at it? If you can't prove someone wrong, you can't possibly make fun of their ideas. Practice what you preach and if you disagree, just simply disagree without making fun of people. I don't give a fuck because people already think I'm insane, but I know there are people on here who do care and feel offended by it. Think about that the next time you laugh at someone without proving them wrong or backing up your claims, and remember that you also could be very wrong. Discussing and claiming you don't agree is fine, ridicule is not.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."No need to be offended Souza. I never judged you why you think Murray is Michael. I believe that the hat man at the memorial was Michael. So I do believe he use disguises. I'm not ridiculing ANYONE here, I'm having fun with the idea of Michael in all of those disguises. It makes me laugh. Not laughing at anyone's thoughts, laughing at the image I create on my mind seeing Michael disguised as a blonde lady or Murray etc. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> My opinion about Michael disguised as Murray; it is beyond craziness. But still it is fun to think of him disguised like Murray.
I've always felt there were 2 Murrays, and way back someone did a line-up of eyes/mouth etc. of youtube Murray and MJ, and they matched. Also there has been such a strong consistent placing of MJ/Murray pics side-by-side on TMZ that makes you wonder if they're hinting. Murray's Youtube messages seemed to be MJ's words to us. There was that weird half white hand on the original Murray pic we had. There's the fact that beach Murray has a major pot and the recent Murray is trim. His fingers do look like younger MJ's. And what was with hatman at the funeral's paisley tie matching Murray's going to court. Got to admit something fishy but what. They have certainly been toying with us. There was pic of that extra black big Murray in the beginning who's face didn't look like our Murray. They showed that supposed uncle of Murray's that was just our Murray with gray hair and a beard <!-- s
If you can fake a pregnancy with a prosthetic belly, you can fake an outty too. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Why fake an outtie....here's Michael's and Murray's...
OMG he is so sexy in that pic.
http://x17online.com/gallery/view_gallery.php?gallery=DrMurray032911Part2_X17&index=5
I am sure the laugh is on the summary of Michael's possible appearances, not your opinion.
I thought and still think between blond woman and fedora man on memorial as Michael.
He must have runned fast and a lot on that beach. <!-- s
Thank you for finding these photos. As I said too. This guy is at least 6'0 if not even 6'3. I personally don't need people around him to be able to state this