Bullying the beLIEvers

RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
edited January 1970 in General Hoax Investigation
Souza, sorry to be a pain in the ass but if this is in the wrong part of the Forum, please let me know, or any other Member for that matter.<br />______________________________________________<br /><br />Alright, I actually didn't want to have to do this but it seems to be happening quite frequently and I'm tired of it happening. <br /><br />Why, when a beLIEver comes onto a normal Michael Jackson Forum, do people start to bully them into believing that Michael is actually dead. It happened to my friend, I'm not so happy about it either. <br /><br />There seems to be one particular Forum that doesn't tolerate beLIEvers so well and it agitates me, all she does is mention a theory to another Member and they attack her. <br /><br />Later they tell her that they are deliberately winding her up, who does that? honestly. <br /><br />I just feel that if the Non-beLIEvers pick on the beLIEvers way too much, if they have a problem with it, then why don't they make their own Forum for the Non-beLIEvers, instead of causing arguments between people and ganging up. It's a PUBLIC forum, you don't like it? then you get lost. <br /><br />That's the problem, there are VIP Members that act so "Holier than Thou" and it twists my nerves real bad, any help PLEASE?
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  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    I don't know what other forum are you talking about. If it's michaeljackson.com yes, they closed my account 5 of 6 times saying that I'm disrespectful to Michael because I thought he faked his death.<br /><br />Well, I still have my last account, hope they don't delete it very soon.<br /><br />
  • RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
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    <br />I don't know what other forum are you talking about. If it's michaeljackson.com yes, they closed my account 5 of 6 times saying that I'm disrespectful to Michael because I thought he faked his death.<br /><br />Well, I still have my last account, hope they don't delete it very soon.<br />
    <br /><br />It's not that Forum, it's MJIFC. They've been bullying their own Members out of there for quite a long time now. <br /><br />I think the main objective for them is to take the Piss out of the beLIEvers, none of them even dare to make beLIEver threads anymore because they're bullied out of the Forum by force. I don't understand it, they say they respect everyone's opinions but as a matter of fact, they really don't.
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    There's zero tolerance for hoax discussions on regular forums.<br />Seems quite odd.....members there say they feel hurt of that kind of theories and they also say we are disrespectful to Michael, his kids and Jackson family.<br /><br />I don't understand their point anyway.
  • RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
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    <br />There's zero tolerance for hoax discussions on regular forums.<br />Seems quite odd.....members there say they feel hurt of that kind of theories and they also say we are disrespectful to Michael, his kids and Jackson family.<br /><br />I don't understand their point anyway.<br />
    <br /><br />But it's hurtful to other Members if the mention that Michael is Dead, it's like a punch to the Gut, especially when they say: <br /><br />"He's as dead as dust." <br /><br />These people are supposed to be fans, but they push the belief that Michael is dead through bullying. As far as I've seen, beLIEvers haven't done that. <br /><br />It's like they want him to be dead, the way they put it. What is up with that? (Shakes head)
  • Thriller4everThriller4ever Posts: 875
    I Really hope that truth comes out soon because it's really painful to see how the fans are divided after his "death" or disappearance. We were all united when he was in the scene, right?<br /><br /><br />I don't think all of this is going right, something's wrong...I really want the truth to come out as soon as possible...
  • AdiAdi Posts: 1,834
    You have ultimate control over what sites you visit, why bother going to those forums if you come away feeling so bad? The answer is simple...don't go there....
  • RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
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    <br />You have ultimate control over what sites you visit, why bother going to those forums if you come away feeling so bad? The answer is simple...don't go there....<br />
    <br /><br />Yes, people do have control about which Forums they want to go to, but if you can only get into contact with people from that Forum who you want to speak to, then you don't have much of a choice, really. <br /><br />But why should that matter, at all? they are picking on people for their beliefs, honestly. How can you choose to NOT ignore that, especially when people want to go to these Forums. If they have a problem with it, then they shouldn't be confronting people about it. It's a public Forum, which means anyone should be able to have the right to post what they feel, unless it's hate. <br /><br />There's no excuses.
  • RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
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    <br />I Really hope that truth comes out soon because it's really painful to see how the fans are divided after his "death" or disappearance. We were all united when he was in the scene, right?<br /><br /><br />I don't think all of this is going right, something's wrong...I really want the truth to come out as soon as possible...<br />
    <br /><br />Before Michael died or 'died', there were hardly any arguments between the Fans, now it's become a huge mess. I want to know the truth, but sadly it'll take a while before anything can happen, these types of things make me lose faith a little, I honestly don't want to however. <br /><br />There are so many tides between the beLIEvers and Non-beLIEvers, me? I don't personally mind the Non- beLIEvers, if they have a problem with me I tend to ignore them, but if they tear up the people who haven't done anything wrong to them, it's a problem. <br /><br /><br />(Had to edit this post, I accidentally forgot to put Non infront of the beLIEver part.) <br />
  • all4loveandbelieveall4loveandbelieve Posts: 4,455
    I don't understand why you are joining the non believers forums. Why are you subjecting yourselves through this ordeal.. If they do not believe that Michael faked his death, well be it.. Who cares. Once he will come back they will eat there words, and Michael will be disappointed in them. So simple.  This is the only forum I have joined and  I will not join something I do not believe in.. Just let them be..
  • RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
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    <br />I don't understand why you are joining the non believers forums. Why are you subjecting yourselves through this ordeal.. If they do not believe that Michael faked his death, well be it.. Who cares. Once he will come back they will eat there words, and Michael will be disappointed in them. So simple.  This is the only forum I have joined and  I will not join something I do not believe in.. Just let them be.. <br />
    <br /><br />It's not a Non-beLIEver Forum, there ARE beLIEvers there. It's just an ordinary Public Fan Forum, but the beLIEvers are being forced out due to biased people, so nobody is subjecting themselves to anything. <br /><br />But, don't you think everyone has a right to an opinion? like I said, it's not a Non-beLIEver Forum.
  • alfarlealfarle Posts: 440
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    <br />Souza, sorry to be a pain in the ass but if this is in the wrong part of the Forum, please let me know, or any other Member for that matter.<br />______________________________________________<br /><br />Alright, I actually didn't want to have to do this but it seems to be happening quite frequently and I'm tired of it happening. <br /><br />Why, when a beLIEver comes onto a normal Michael Jackson Forum, do people start to bully them into believing that Michael is actually dead. It happened to my friend, I'm not so happy about it either. <br /><br />There seems to be one particular Forum that doesn't tolerate beLIEvers so well and it agitates me, all she does is mention a theory to another Member and they attack her. <br /><br />Later they tell her that they are deliberately winding her up, who does that? honestly. <br /><br />I just feel that if the Non-beLIEvers pick on the beLIEvers way too much, if they have a problem with it, then why don't they make their own Forum for the Non-beLIEvers, instead of causing arguments between people and ganging up. It's a PUBLIC forum, you don't like it? then you get lost. <br /><br />That's the problem, there are VIP Members that act so "Holier than Thou" and it twists my nerves real bad, any help PLEASE?<br />
    <br /><br /><br />Online bullying is WRONG to begin with regardless of the degree. EVERYONE should be titled to their OWN opinion w/out being biased...so whoever it was that was doing the bullying isn't right, and even if they do believe MJ is "dead" then they should STILL respect his demeanor and represent fairness and openmindedness. So they sound like they're no different from these shady media companies.
  • RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
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    <br />Souza, sorry to be a pain in the ass but if this is in the wrong part of the Forum, please let me know, or any other Member for that matter.<br />______________________________________________<br /><br />Alright, I actually didn't want to have to do this but it seems to be happening quite frequently and I'm tired of it happening. <br /><br />Why, when a beLIEver comes onto a normal Michael Jackson Forum, do people start to bully them into believing that Michael is actually dead. It happened to my friend, I'm not so happy about it either. <br /><br />There seems to be one particular Forum that doesn't tolerate beLIEvers so well and it agitates me, all she does is mention a theory to another Member and they attack her. <br /><br />Later they tell her that they are deliberately winding her up, who does that? honestly. <br /><br />I just feel that if the Non-beLIEvers pick on the beLIEvers way too much, if they have a problem with it, then why don't they make their own Forum for the Non-beLIEvers, instead of causing arguments between people and ganging up. It's a PUBLIC forum, you don't like it? then you get lost. <br /><br />That's the problem, there are VIP Members that act so "Holier than Thou" and it twists my nerves real bad, any help PLEASE?<br />
    <br /><br /><br />Online bullying is WRONG to begin with regardless of the degree. EVERYONE should be titled to their OWN opinion w/out being biased...so whoever it was that was doing the bullying isn't right, and even if they do believe MJ is "dead" then they should STILL respect his demeanor and represent fairness and openmindedness. So they sound like they're no different from these shady media companies.<br />
    <br /><br />Thanks Alfarle, this is what I'm trying to say, though I'm not so good with words. <br /><br />I just think that the people who go to these Forums don't expect others to be so harsh towards their beliefs. It's like bullying someone to convert Religion (Although Religion is a bigger matter) it's wrong and I don't understand why everyone can't just get along with eachother. <br /><br /> I realize that this can be directed at either groups, but I've yet to actually see beLIEvers bully people the way Non-beLIEvers do. <br /><br />I'm not being biased, but it's just from what I've seen so far.
  • Thriller4everThriller4ever Posts: 875
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    <br />I Really hope that truth comes out soon because it's really painful to see how the fans are divided after his "death" or disappearance. We were all united when he was in the scene, right?<br /><br /><br />I don't think all of this is going right, something's wrong...I really want the truth to come out as soon as possible...<br />
    <br /><br />Before Michael died or 'died', there were hardly any arguments between the Fans, now it's become a huge mess. I want to know the truth, but sadly it'll take a while before anything can happen, these types of things make me lose faith a little, I honestly don't want to however. <br /><br />There are so many tides between the beLIEvers and Non-beLIEvers, me? I don't personally mind the Non- beLIEvers, if they have a problem with me I tend to ignore them, but if they tear up the people who haven't done anything wrong to them, it's a problem. <br /><br /><br />(Had to edit this post, I accidentally forgot to put Non infront of the beLIEver part.) <br /><br />
    <br /><br /><br />i know, it was because of some of my non-believer friends that i had lost my hope, but now here i am again :)<br />we should only remember the message of Michael...we should remember that they love michael too as much as we love him. <br />so we need to respect them and not to bother them if they don't return their respect towards us...
  • RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
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    <br />I Really hope that truth comes out soon because it's really painful to see how the fans are divided after his "death" or disappearance. We were all united when he was in the scene, right?<br /><br /><br />I don't think all of this is going right, something's wrong...I really want the truth to come out as soon as possible...<br />
    <br /><br />Before Michael died or 'died', there were hardly any arguments between the Fans, now it's become a huge mess. I want to know the truth, but sadly it'll take a while before anything can happen, these types of things make me lose faith a little, I honestly don't want to however. <br /><br />There are so many tides between the beLIEvers and Non-beLIEvers, me? I don't personally mind the Non- beLIEvers, if they have a problem with me I tend to ignore them, but if they tear up the people who haven't done anything wrong to them, it's a problem. <br /><br /><br />(Had to edit this post, I accidentally forgot to put Non infront of the beLIEver part.) <br /><br />
    <br /><br /><br />i know, it was because of some of my non-believer friends that i had lost my hope, but now here i am again :)<br />we should only remember the message of Michael...we should remember that they love michael too as much as we love him. <br />so we need to respect them and not to bother them if they don't return their respect towards us...<br />
    <br /><br />Yeah, I just wanted advice since my Friend insists on going back, solely because she has friends there. <br /><br />It does her no good, but I can't really say no .-.
  • marisjmmarisjm Posts: 77
    On the boards, on Twitter, in life - if you talk about Michael still being alive you are told all sorts of ugly things.  We are not disrespecting Michael or hurting anyone.  We should all be allowed to believe or not believe without the ugliness.  We all have a right to think what we will.
  • RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
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    <br />On the boards, on Twitter, in life - if you talk about Michael still being alive you are told all sorts of ugly things.  We are not disrespecting Michael or hurting anyone.  We should all be allowed to believe or not believe without the ugliness.  We all have a right to think what we will.<br />
    <br /><br />I just really want everything back to normal, if you ask me I prefer the haters hating and the Fans being normal fans. <br /><br />I can't keep up with the Haters, the Non-beLIEvers, those who don't know, the beLIEvers and the people who just don't care at all... <br /><br />I-I think I might leave.
  • all4loveandbelieveall4loveandbelieve Posts: 4,455
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    <br />I don't understand why you are joining the non believers forums. Why are you subjecting yourselves through this ordeal.. If they do not believe that Michael faked his death, well be it.. Who cares. Once he will come back they will eat there words, and Michael will be disappointed in them. So simple.  This is the only forum I have joined and  I will not join something I do not believe in.. Just let them be.. <br />
    <br /><br />It's not a Non-beLIEver Forum, there ARE beLIEvers there. It's just an ordinary Public Fan Forum, but the beLIEvers are being forced out due to biased people, so nobody is subjecting themselves to anything. <br /><br />But, don't you think everyone has a right to an opinion? like I said, it's not a Non-beLIEver Forum. <br />
    <br /> <br />Yes, everyone should have the right their opinion, and they should be biast to the opinion. Unfortunetely we live in a society that people ridicule  and makes you feel inadequate when posting an opinion. We are all different with different ideas, and combining these ideas together we can come to a conclusion, instead of mocking eachother all the time.
  • RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
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    <br />I don't understand why you are joining the non believers forums. Why are you subjecting yourselves through this ordeal.. If they do not believe that Michael faked his death, well be it.. Who cares. Once he will come back they will eat there words, and Michael will be disappointed in them. So simple.  This is the only forum I have joined and  I will not join something I do not believe in.. Just let them be.. <br />
    <br /><br />It's not a Non-beLIEver Forum, there ARE beLIEvers there. It's just an ordinary Public Fan Forum, but the beLIEvers are being forced out due to biased people, so nobody is subjecting themselves to anything. <br /><br />But, don't you think everyone has a right to an opinion? like I said, it's not a Non-beLIEver Forum. <br />
    <br /> <br />Yes, everyone should have the right their opinion, and they should be biast to the opinion. Unfortunetely we live in a society that people ridicule  and makes you feel inadequate when posting an opinion. We are all different with different ideas, and combining these ideas together we can come to a conclusion, instead of mocking eachother all the time. <br />
    <br /><br />I feel that people should be working together, rather than arguing about everything, but that's just how society works no matter how hard people try to change it. <br /><br />If only
  • all4loveandbelieveall4loveandbelieve Posts: 4,455
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    <br />I don't understand why you are joining the non believers forums. Why are you subjecting yourselves through this ordeal.. If they do not believe that Michael faked his death, well be it.. Who cares. Once he will come back they will eat there words, and Michael will be disappointed in them. So simple.  This is the only forum I have joined and  I will not join something I do not believe in.. Just let them be.. <br />
    <br /><br />It's not a Non-beLIEver Forum, there ARE beLIEvers there. It's just an ordinary Public Fan Forum, but the beLIEvers are being forced out due to biased people, so nobody is subjecting themselves to anything. <br /><br />But, don't you think everyone has a right to an opinion? like I said, it's not a Non-beLIEver Forum. <br />
    <br /> <br />Yes, everyone should have the right their opinion, and they should be biast to the opinion. Unfortunetely we live in a society that people ridicule  and makes you feel inadequate when posting an opinion. We are all different with different ideas, and combining these ideas together we can come to a conclusion, instead of mocking eachother all the time. <br />
    <br /><br />I feel that people should be working together, rather than arguing about everything, but that's just how society works no matter how hard people try to change it. <br /><br />If only <br />
    <br /> <br />You are absolutely right. This is part of human nature, and at times we can improve but we cannot change. People will remain people, the only thing is that we can only fix ourselves, and if everyone would take the time to  see our own flaws and try to fix them we would be living in a better society.. At times people take out their anger towards others, it is easier this way then doing soul searching, it takes too much time out of our busy life.. I for one, always respected everyone's opinion even if I see it does not make sense. I am not saying I am perfect, far from it, but I try to not make a harsh judgement towards another human being. Keep on voicing your opinions whether your opinion is right or wrong, funny or serious, just do what makes you happy. Life is too short to think what your neighbour will think of your opinions. blessings.
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
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    <br />I don't understand why you are joining the non believers forums. Why are you subjecting yourselves through this ordeal.. If they do not believe that Michael faked his death, well be it.. Who cares. Once he will come back they will eat there words, and Michael will be disappointed in them. So simple.  This is the only forum I have joined and  I will not join something I do not believe in.. Just let them be.. <br />
    <br /><br />It's not that easy.<br />I had friends there, we wanted to be there because we met each other on that forum. <br />We were there for 6-7 months, I don't remember exactly, but they forced us out, closing our accounts many times.....so I finally came here, well we still have a small group on facebook.....but it's not the same thing as it used to be.<br /><br />And I was following TIAI, so I came here, but I still visit the official forum from time to time.<br />But I have to take care what I write, I don't want my 6th account to be closed /pull hair/ <br />
  • RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
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    <br />I don't understand why you are joining the non believers forums. Why are you subjecting yourselves through this ordeal.. If they do not believe that Michael faked his death, well be it.. Who cares. Once he will come back they will eat there words, and Michael will be disappointed in them. So simple.  This is the only forum I have joined and  I will not join something I do not believe in.. Just let them be.. <br />
    <br /><br />It's not that easy.<br />I had friends there, we wanted to be there because we met each other on that forum. <br />We were there for 6-7 months, I don't remember exactly, but they forced us out, closing our accounts many times.....so I finally came here, well we still have a small group on facebook.....but it's not the same thing as it used to be.<br /><br />And I was following TIAI, so I came here, but I still visit the official forum from time to time.<br />But I have to take care what I write, I don't want my 6th account to be closed /pull hair/<br />
    <br /><br />Yeah, I know over Six people on this Forum that I'm good friends with. You can't JUST let people bully you like that, this is the problem. <br /><br />If you stand up for yourself, they tease or bully even more. I really wish it would just stop, because it's just not right. I mean sure, just saying "Well, I kinda disagree with you there and here's why:" would be pretty sufficient enough, rather than saying "I bet you're one of those people who believes Elvis is alive too!" then laughing about it, it's hard to avoid because it's YOUR belief and if they don't like it they shouldn't tell you that you're wrong or make false assumptions. <br /><br />There's a HUGE difference between being nice about your opinion and teasing/bullying someone about their opinion.
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    Unfortunately fans separated from each other after some of them started to see the oddities and controversies in Michael's so called death. Non-believers think that we're still grieving and can not accept that Michael is gone and these non-believers are the polite ones. Rude ones directly say that we are crazy and very disrespectful to Michael. I was on the MJ Turk Fan forum and I was banned after I told that I'm a believer and told about the inconsistencies around MJ's death. So, that was the last time I was on a forum where non-believers were on. I was also writing on CNN blogs and trying to show it to non-believers but I became sure that it is impossible to be on the same platform and share somethings with them. So, I don't go any other forums, this is the only place I'm on and I'm so glad that I'm surrounded with people who understand me and feel and see exactly the same things with me. Unfortunately that bullying believers will not end till Michael comes back in flesh and bone.
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    I don't understand why they say we hurt them.<br />I have moments when I am convinced Michael died yet I come here and it doesn't hurt me to read  here that you guys still believe. It doesn't hurt me at all.  I don't understand why they say we hurt them. Maybe is it part of the hoax  suspicious// suspicious// suspicious//.<br />I've been thinking something is very odd about it.
  • RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
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    <br />Unfortunately fans separated from each other after some of them started to see the oddities and controversies in Michael's so called death. Non-believers think that we're still grieving and can not accept that Michael is gone and these non-believers are the polite ones. Rude ones directly say that we are crazy and very disrespectful to Michael. I was on the MJ Turk Fan forum and I was banned after I told that I'm a believer and told about the inconsistencies around MJ's death. So, that was the last time I was on a forum where non-believers were on. I was also writing on CNN blogs and trying to show it to non-believers but I became sure that it is impossible to be on the same platform and share somethings with them. So, I don't go any other forums, this is the only place I'm on and I'm so glad that I'm surrounded with people who understand me and feel and see exactly the same things with me. Unfortunately that bullying believers will not end till Michael comes back in flesh and bone.<br />
    <br /><br />I honestly don't mind the Non- beLIEvers who think we're compensating, as long as they don't become agressive about it. <br />However, the Non-beLIEvers who name people as Mental or stupid, or gang up onto people are disgusting as I see it. <br /><br />When people scream to me that Michael is dead, it puts a hole through  my heart because I spent since June 25th 2011 believing in what I knew was right, only to be degraded by people who act as though they want him dead. Even the FANS do this, the fans say to me "He's F-cking dead, get over it." then they pull the entire "You're not a real fan." scenario and it HURTS.<br /><br />I remember back before June 25th 2009, almost EVERYONE got along now it's like a nightmare. <br />
    <br />"Nation To Nation<br />All The World<br />Must Come Together<br />Face The Problems<br />That We See<br />Then Maybe Somehow We Can Work It Out<br />I Asked My Neighbor<br />For A Favor<br />She Said Later<br />What Has Come Of<br />All The People<br />Have We Lost Love<br />Of What It's About"<br />
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    "The World Keeps Changing<br />Rearranging Minds<br />And Thoughts"
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    What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare.<br />It isn’t. It’s the beginning.
  • RaikiramariRaikiramari Posts: 249
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    <br />I don't understand why they say we hurt them.<br />I have moments when I am convinced Michael died yet I come here and it doesn't hurt me to read  here that you guys still believe. It doesn't hurt me at all.  I don't understand why they say we hurt them. Maybe is it part of the hoax  suspicious// suspicious// suspicious//.<br />I've been thinking something is very odd about it.<br />
    <br /><br />I don't understand either Gina, I have those moments too but it has never had an impact on me. <br /><br />I guess people want to refuse the truth sometimes, people on hear what they want to hear...
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