[color=rgb(17, 17, 17)][size=small]The "Sabbath" to Make a "Comeback" in 2012 in America (January 2012)[/size][/color]<br />[color=rgb(17, 17, 17)][size=small]Faith leaders were asked for predictions for 2012. Look at one of the things that was stated ...[/size][/color]<br />[size=small][color=rgb(17, 17, 17)]"Sabbath becomes trendy! Fourth Commandment makes a comeback! Sabbath named Time’s person of the year! A new movement sweeps the country. They call themselves 24/6. Worn out by being tethered to the grid 24/7, sick of being accessible all hours of the day, inundated by updates, upgrades, and breaking news, AMERICANS FINALLY REBEL, DEMANDING, "WE NEED A DAY OFF." People all over the country go offline for 24 hours every week. The simple break from the frenetic pace results in lowered cholesterol rates, fewer speeding tickets, and a reduction in marital strife. Peace, tranquility and contentment spread like wildfire."[/color][/size]<br />[size=small][color=rgb(17, 17, 17)]This "sabbath" as we know will be Sunday![/color][/size]<br />[color=rgb(17, 17, 17)][size=small]News Article: (See point number 9) http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/01/12-faith-based-predictions-for-2012/[/size][/color]
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[size=small]Also, video of the ark and the tables of stone will be made public in the near future, shortly after [/size]the mark of the beast law is passed.[size=small]).[/size]
<br />[size=small]It's possible that MJ has met and discussed the findings with Ron Wyatt, since he seems confident about what will be shown in the future. Talking one on one changes things, such as trustworthiness possibly. Perhaps MJ has met with political law-makers and knows about the NSL New Sunday Law, with certainty as well.[/size]<br /><br />[size=small]SimPattyK[/size]<br />
[size=small]Thank you for your kind words! I somehow missed them before![/size]
<br />[size=small]aaaah What do you mean? You know I love you very much, you and your posts, don't you? [/size] I guess I'll have to say it more often, then !
<br />[size=small]My love right back at ya! [/size] bearhug <br />[size=small]Actually what I meant was I missed reading your kind words in the post you made on that page, until later when re-reading! Although I'll be happy to receive as many kind words as you can spare. [/size]<br /><br /><br />[size=small]Souza,[/size]<br />[size=small]Your Bible studies are amazing especially considering this is all new for you![/size]<br />[size=small]I just noticed the yearly Sabbath days are different than the 7 feasts, particularly the Day of Atonement, and as TS said, Yom Kippur stands for the EOW before the happy 7th lights feast afterwards.[/size]<br />[size=small][/size]
<br />[size=small]1 [/size][size=small] Passover<br />[/size][size=small]2.[/size][size=small] Feast: Feast of unleavened bread<br />[/size][size=small]3.[/size][size=small] Feast: Feast of Firstfruits<br />[/size][size=small]4. [/size][size=small]Feast: Shavuot (Pentecost)<br />[/size][size=small]5.[/size][size=small] Feast: Feast of trumpets<br />[/size][size=small]6. [/size][size=small]Feast: Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement)<br />[/size][size=small]7.[/size][size=small] Feast: Succoth (Tabernacles)<br />[/size][size=small]http://www.luziusschneider.com/Papers/JewishFeasts.htm[/size]
<br />happy that i saw your post Aussie, and i totally agree with you, i'm so confused lately more than ever...... most of TS latest post.<br />I still do strongly believe TS is speaking for Michael, so i want to see how this posts would develop futher, i think TS or MJ has a purpose for this post besides the religion part. There's more to come! <br />This is what i believe and i'm feeling comfortable with this, it surely feels good to know MIchael<br />reaching out to us. i do feel a litlle ashamed or guilt for saying "US"because i know how much i wanted or tryed for contributing to the hoax Family, i can't measure with you all.i hope Maybe some day i can do something in return. <br /><br />LOVE to you all, and thank you<br />TS i'm looking forward to see the other Signs
<br /><br /><br />Hi Shybleueyes, please do not feel like you do not contribute here, because you DO! I like your comments, they are always so kind <br />I think everybody contributes here by visiting this forum and showing love and care for Michael.<br />Have a nice day! bearhug<br />[/quote]
<br />Think this could be a connection?<br />The bloody shirt left behind at Carolwood hidden away in a closet<br />and the Blood of Jesus left behind on the mercy seat?<br />We've never had a dot to connect to the blood stained shirt before.<br /><br />I also can't see TS using something as holy and precious as the Blood of Jesus to test people with. Just can't get my head around that . The blood of Christ is something not to be trivialized or played with. So I believe he is sincere in what he has presented. <br />
<br />you are right. and what about knife that was found on bed table in bedroom of Michael? he was really big so everybody could see him, but I think in official agencies there was no mention about him. could that knife be connection with that bloody shirt?
<br />Good point Diggyon. There are other holy books such as the Quran and Talmud. What do they say about the end of the World ? Isn't the Talmud similar to the Old Testament ??? I know the three big religions Judiasm, Islam, and Christianity have a lot in common. <br /><br />Maybe it doesn't matter. If God sent some one to help earth it's for the whole planet. Not only one religion. If you beleive in God, then it's the same God for all of us. I think of God as the creator.<br /><br />Love You All<br /><br />
<br /><br />I have read the Quran and the Bible. I must admit that there are many similarities between them. But it is suitable for such a subject to draw attention to other holy books as well. Until now we are only reading Bible quotes. Somehow I believe that TS believes only in the Bible. That's why we never see any other quotes from other Holy Books.<br />
<br /><br />Indeed Diggyon there are a lot of similarities but also some contradictions. Now concerning the end of the world it doesn't go into great details, but there sure is mention of it. The world will end one day. <br /><br />Now there is something that I had discovered and posted in a redirect thread and I remember you were the only one who answered. Do you remember Sura 55 "The Most Gracious" and the same verse repeated several times? When you add all the verses' numbers it pinpoints directly to 2012 (=1433 lunar calendar) and the verse in question is "Which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?. In all honesty I think that it's not a coincidence, especially considering that the Quran has been written a long time ago. So my interpretation is that God will show His marvels, surely the Ark is one of these marvels. Just what is happening with the unveiling of information about the Ark... coincidence? I think there will be other marvels to unveil as well.<br /><br />There is also a prophecy called "the smoke" in Sura 44 that has to pass yet, before the advent of God and Magog, so maybe that it's related too. <br /><br />44:10<br />Therefore, watch for the day when the sky brings a profound smoke.<br /><br />I think it's about "darkness" envelopping the earth. Just my interpretation here. <br /><br />
<br /><br />Yes Sarahli, I remember that post very well. I must also admit that you have a very sharp memory. Actually I am interested in numerology in holy books. I read the Bible and the Quran too. I have copies of them at home. T.S. showed us numerology in the Bible. So I started to make my researches about numerology in Quran, since it is a holy book as well. I found amazing things about numerology in Quran that i wouldn't want to share here on that forum as may many won't be interested to read about. I also read Sura no. 44 and no 55. Actually I am open to any interpretation. I am glad to be the only one who answered you on what you wrote about the EOW in the Quran. It's important to make some researches about this subject. The holy books are full of signs and infromation, only for those who seek the knowledge!!!<br />Again, I must admit that you have a V E R Y sharp M E M O R Y !!!!How do you do that???? Any advice??
Sarahli and diggyon - I for one am VERY interested in learning about the Quran. I remember a post about the number 7 in Quran but I would not be able to find it again. <br />I would also like to learn about the Torah and Jewish scriptures if we have someone here who could tell us about it. The more we know about each other and each other's cultural history, the more we can understand each other in our differences and our common elements. <br />Understanding is the basis for tolerance and tolerance is the basis for peace. <br />In the end, it does not matter which colour or belief we have. <br />The answer is love and love is understood in every language and culture and that's GREAT.<br /><br />I would like to encourage you to start a thread about your findings in Quran.<br /><br /><br />
<br />Sarahli and diggyon - I for one am VERY interested in learning about the Quran. I remember a post about the number 7 in Quran but I would not be able to find it again. <br />I would also like to learn about the Torah and Jewish scriptures if we have someone here who could tell us about it. The more we know about each other and each other's cultural history, the more we can understand each other in our differences and our common elements. <br />Understanding is the basis for tolerance and tolerance is the basis for peace. <br />In the end, it does not matter which colour or belief we have. <br />The answer is love and love is understood in every language and culture and that's GREAT.I would like to encourage you to start a thread about your findings in Quran.<br />
<br /><br />Grace...I've said it before and I'll say it again, you've got some amazing posts! Even if we don't see eye to eye on everything (although your thoughts very often mirror mine)...I SO respect your views, perspectives and YOU! What you said right there (in bold), I think, is THE 'key' to a 'new' world. Sadly, none of us have experienced THAT kind of world in our lifetimes...we'd have to go WAY back in history to find anything remotely resembling that kind of 'respect' among people and between 'man' and nature. Even more sad is that our CHILDREN won't experience it either...unless WE do something about it. And at the rate we've been going....our children will be lucky if they even have the chance to have children of their own. <br /><br />Your post about the hoax purpose...Mike's purpose for doing all this...was really interesting. I can SEE Mike taking 'door to door' to a whole new level and that, in itself, would be great of Mike. But I think it's got to be more than that...or at least that's what we're being led to believe. Given the state we're in worldwide....I'm REALLY hoping it's more than that. And if there's anyone who can 'kick-off' the global "change" that is needed...it's Mike. He's practising what he preached all along...except now on a grand stage. I can't see the whole picture yet...i.e. I don't know what the whole 'vision' is yet (there's been glimpses and flashes of some goals along the way)...but based on everything we've seen/heard/learned over the past 2.5 years, I have faith that he knows exactly what he's doing, he knows the end goal, he's studied the different ways to get there and chose the most 'entertaining' paths and the most 'educational' ones (thanks Mike ::P ) and he WILL get us there. I'm not sure how much of that is what I KNOW and how much is what I'm hoping for...and how much is both.<br /><br />TS' last post took things to a whole new 'hoax' level...in fact, I think the 'hoax' portion of this adventure ended on November 29, 2011 (Level 7 ring a bell?...IT ended on November 29 because HE ended it)...we're beyond the 'hoax' now. We went from dissecting ambulance footage to dissecting the Ark of the Covenant lol. According to Jermaine, the time up until November 29 was about 'justice'...and only then would it be time for 'truth'. Interesting how The Sign and the first of 7 Signs are 'surfacing' now...'he' didn't begin with the Sign/Signs (we first had updates and then levels) and according to TS, these are the final 7 pieces (i.e. he didn't list anything AFTER the 7 Signs when he listed what's to come THIS year). When I put the two together (Jermaine's words and TS' posting dates---which we KNOW are intentional and well thought out)...I'm thinking that we're gonna be getting a lot of 'truth' coming our way. I, for one, am gonna try my hardest to be open to it and not 'judge' it without really looking at it. The 'truth' sometimes hurts or can make us feel uncomfortable...and we may not 'like' some of the truths that'll come our way....but in the end, 'truth' IS all that matters. Well...truth AND love is all that matters. Here's to hoping Mike has a plan to bring BOTH back into the world...a double BAM ::P<br /><br />We should all take a collective deep breath....find some extra seatbelts and a hand to hold lol....cause I do believe we're heading into the home-stretch....and it will end with a BAM!<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.
What if MJ is not planning on Bamming until after the EOW, in the 'new world' that he believes is coming? Then only those who make it to the 'other side', if there is to be one, will ever see him again. I'm beginning to wonder if I will go to my grave with my family still thinking I'm nuts for believing he is alive.
Diggyon lolol/ I have a S.E.L.E.C.T.I.V.E. memory! geek/ It works on its own nothing to do about that. <br /><br />Thank you Grace for showing your interest, it's really nice. So I may start a thread about the Quran in the religious forum and I hope that you Diggyon will post your discoveries there too?<br /><br />@Curls, TS has been very clear that Michael will return before 2013. <br /><br />
I'm reading over some stuff and I'm COMPLETELY confused about something (nothing new there lol). THIS Bible passage 'overshadows' everything and anything I read, see, or 'learn' about the 'Ark' (the 'earthly' one):<br /><br />Exodus 20:3-6<br />New International Version (NIV)<br /><br />“You shall have no other gods before me. <br /><br />“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."<br /><br />For those that study the Bible...how does the Ark factor in to that? Isn't it an image made by man in the form of something in heaven? Will people not 'bow down' to it IF it 'surfaces'? I know a lot of people that go to church every Sunday (which I guess is the wrong day lol)...and they WILL bow down to it, if 'it' appears. Was the Ark created out of 'sin' (i.e. a broken 'law')...or is it somehow exempt from God's 'law' in the passage above? If it is exempt (i.e. God 'allowed' it)....then will those that bow down to it be commiting a 'sin'?<br /><br />There's something that just doesn't 'feel' right about this whole Ark issue...but I can't pinpoint what it is. Maybe it's my interpretation of that passage that is causing a 'stumbling block' for me.<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.
The anointing of the Holy of Holies that Daniel 9:24 refers is not yet occurred. It must come after the atonement of iniquity and the establishing of eternal justice, i.e the day representing Yom Kippur (EOW) - the day when the place where the king will sit will be anointed.<br />This is a point against the theory of Wyatt. Isn’t it?<br /><br />I noticed that in the "Day of Atonement" (Yom Kippur = EOW) the Jews had to sacrifice a ram and two goats and mark the ark with their blood. These are the same animals appeared to Daniel in a vision to indicate the empires that will be destroyed at the end of time<br /><br />
Daniel 8<br />19And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. <br /> 20The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. <br /> 21And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. <br />23And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. <br /> 25And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
<br />What if MJ is not planning on Bamming until after the EOW, in the 'new world' that he believes is coming? Then only those who make it to the 'other side', if there is to be one, will ever see him again. I'm beginning to wonder if I will go to my grave with my family still thinking I'm nuts for believing he is alive. <br />
<br /><br />Curls......have faith. Michael said in TII, it's all an adventure....nothing to be afraid of. I truly believe that Michael knows full well what's going here and in the hearts of believers. For me, after reading this amazing thread and all that TS has posted over the past 2.5 years, I have made it to "the other side". My heart is a much better place along with my mind. <br /><br />I feel like I am late to the ball in posting on this thread. However, I enjoy each post so much, my mind races with thoughts in all directions. Yet it was Grace's recent post about the farewell to the entertainer that made me realize, once again, the magnitude of this adventure called hoax. It did indeed begin with the unyielding pain of death of someone I admired for years. Michael was always more than just an entertainer to me. Although, I can't exactly put into words what. I never worshipped him like a mega-fan....there was a reverence I felt from the moment I first saw him as a boy. His eyes told me something more. Through the years, I loved, loved his music, his art, his style....though it was always a different level for me. Like watching "divinity in motion"....he was truly gifted. I don't feel that way about many artists. Grace's post about the memorial being something more makes it crystal clear to me that June 25th as a whole was a metaphor for all things good. It was a day of metaphoric death for a person I saw as divinely gifted. I thought this very thought on June 25th, "if God gave such a gift to the world, why would he take it away....." It's only now that those words are proving to be the crux of my belief in Michael. It's never been a secret Michael loves God. Many celebrities thank God on stage after receiving an award. It's the only time they acknowledge God at all. Michael shared the love of God openly....and truly. The notion that this hoax has turned into a religious cavern of thought is true......all led by Michael. It truly is a modern door-to-door way to discover things about God and religion as a whole. It's an adventure of "beliefs"....of faiths. To truly believe in Michael and his message, one must be willing to see how faith works in the heart. Having faith doesn't always mean believing in God. Having faith is believing in what you can not see. At the moment, that something is Michael. We can't see him physically, or can we? I am 101% convinced he is here among us....ever writing, ever posting and guiding. Who knows....perhaps I am completely nuts...right there with you curls, lol. However, in my heart I feel it....and my heart doesn't lie. My mind has the power to over-ride positive thoughts with seeds of doubt and despair. However, it's only been through this adventure my mind has become stronger and more able to defend against those negative thoughts. <br /><br />This thread has proven very powerful in sustaining my belief that there is so much more to come. It was never just about the death of a pop star. It was never only for entertainment.....though it is incredibly entertaining on a whole different level. The reasons for the hoax will come out in time. "The truth will prevail".....what truth is that statement really talking about? The truth of June 25th? The truth of Michael's complete innocence? The truth of Jesus? The truth of the Ark? 7 truths perhaps?<br /><br />Michael's hoax was, is, and will be the greatest adventure of our lifetime. To learn something in a totally new way is amazing to me. If Michael knocked on my door, with a Bible in hand.....yes, I'd let him in. However, I'd be so mesmerized I couldn't concentrate on the importance of the message. Well Michael....knock knock.....I am totally concentrated on the the message now. You have my full attention...........thank you. <br /><br />Curls...please have faith. Everything will work out. You are an amazing member here. Your posts have inspired me to no end! Thank you so much for all the hard work and effort you put in. It truly shows.....surely Michael is very proud of you! <br /><br />@BeTheChange.....your posts always make me fall over in amazement. What you said about the "hoax portion" ending in November was brilliant. It totally fits with what we are experiencing. The words "truth" and "love" are what matters. In all aspects of life those two things need to have the prevailing lead. Without them, we are nothing. With them, we are fulfilled. Thank you, my friend, you always shed light on what I need to realize most. *taking that collective deep breath now* <br /><br />I will continue to poor over this thread and the new website TS directed to. Thank you to all that posted so much here.....love you all!<br />Blessings Always<br /><br /><br />
The name "Armageddon" produces hunches and terror in the minds of many. Some imagine a great world war in the Middle East. Others imagine an Antichrist struggling for world supremacy. Others do not know what believe or expect.<br /><br />The Scriptures teach that this battle is fought between two major forces: God, and his followers, versus the devil, evil spirits and their wicked and unclean followers. So, the battle of Armageddon is a symbol that describes this controversy and furious conflict between God and Satan - between truth and error. And this spiritual battle will involve everyone on earth so that each can decide who follow - one or the other, God and the truth, or the devil and the error: to an eternal life with God or eternal destruction with Satan.<br /><br />Of all the great powers that govern the Earth, the fact that in paganism, Church and State were not separate - but were jointly United is also shown. In Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome, the State was always used to support and give strength to the pagan religion of the time. Laws were always promulgated and the civil power was used to impose the worship of pagan deities and false beliefs.<br />Today, as in ancient times, the spirit of celebration and adoration of human perceptions, institutions and tradition; the desire to unite the Church with the State to the Church can be strengthened to impose their dogma and decrees, and worldly spirit is the spirit of the Dragon. And this spirit will grow more and more prominently until it ends in the great time of trouble for the people of God.<br /><br />We must differentiate between the good of evil, and not let ourselves be fooled that the end i think it is the aim of this message of TS.<br /><br /><br />That difference of evil for good? as of the light to darkness. They are just opposites.<br />Evil is anything which damages<br />The good is what benefits us if we see him in a simplistic sense.<br />Evil is Satan, the tempting, hatred<br />The good is God, the love.<br />I believe that these concepts are the same everywhere. The form of their conceptualizacion would be the difference. The good is common, morally, bad too is common, as immoral and morality is one in all cultures. The differences of approach is something else. This clear, in my concept. In my way of seeing things. I sincerely believe that there are different customs, different forms of expression, but I think we have much in common. Love<br /><br />
<br /><br /><br />Hi Shybleueyes, please do not feel like you do not contribute here, because you DO! I like your comments, they are always so kind <br />I think everybody contributes here by visiting this forum and showing love and care for Michael.<br />Have a nice day! bearhug<br />[/quote]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />@Emulik, Thank you for your very sweet words, bearhug you make me happy for just reading my post.<br /><br />I did already know you are very sweet and loving THANK U<br /><br /> Wish you LOVE and happiness
<br /><br />@Curls, TS has been very clear that Michael will return before 2013. <br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />Being realistic here, I have to say TS (normally) has a way of wording things that allows for changes of plans. He (almost) always leaves space for a 'get-out' if needed. It's a skill he has in writing that I actually admire greatly, even though it's exasperating at times!<br /><br />I say 'normally' and 'almost' because in the first section of this Ark redirect (quoted below), he appears not to leave any room for doubt/change of heart or plan - and this is very uncharacteristic of him.<br /><br />"It should also be clearly stated at this point that the world will not end on 12-21-2012; but it will end shortly after 2012! How long is “shortly”? Nobody knows a specific date; but it will probably be within the next few years (nobody living on earth now is going to grow old, unless you’re nearly there already). How can we be sure that this is true? If you keep watching, you will learn how, soon enough."
<br />What if MJ is not planning on Bamming until after the EOW, in the 'new world' that he believes is coming? Then only those who make it to the 'other side', if there is to be one, will ever see him again. I'm beginning to wonder if I will go to my grave with my family still thinking I'm nuts for believing he is alive. <br />
<br /><br />Curls......have faith. Michael said in TII, it's all an adventure....nothing to be afraid of.<br /> <br /> "The truth will prevail".....what truth is that statement really talking about? The truth of June 25th? The truth of Michael's complete innocence? The truth of Jesus? The truth of the Ark? 7 truths perhaps?<br /> <br />Curls...please have faith. Everything will work out. <br /><br />
<br /><br />@wishingstar, I enjoyed reading your post, (bits quoted above) thanks for responding to mine.<br /><br />Regarding MJ's comment in TII, it could be argued that this is how he views the EOW and beyond. It may have little to do with us and our response to his hoax.<br /><br />You say 'have faith', but I have to ask myself 'faith in what?' Just as you went on to ask about what 'truth' will prevail, I ask myself what I'm supposed to be having faith in here. Faith in Michael being alive, faith in him coming back, faith in God, faith in a bright new world following the end of this one????? Front has said it doesn't matter if you don't have faith in God, just have faith in Michael, but The Sign's post would indicate that faith in God and a new world is what is really important in all this.<br /><br />I have faith that Michael is alive - and that's about as far as I can take things at the moment. So I keep watching!
I would like to encourage you to start a thread about your findings in Quran.
<br />[size=10pt]Yes, Sarahli and Diggyon, the more merrier![/size] respect/ <br /><br /><br /><br />[size=10pt]BeTheChange [/size][size=10pt]Yes, the image law is an enigma I’ve studied before. Also the temple was filled with imagery as well. I believe God in this master storyline, has put in some deliberate trip-ups for the ones who wish to go deeper into the riddles, layers, codes, cryptic messages the Bible holds.[/size]<br /><br />[size=10pt]Wishingstar[/size]<br />
[size=10pt]Michael shared the love of God openly....and truly. The notion that this hoax has turned into a religious cavern of thought is true......all led by Michael. It truly is a modern door-to-door way to discover things about God and religion as a whole. It's an adventure of "beliefs"....of faiths. To truly believe in Michael and his message, one must be willing to see how faith works in the heart.[/size]<br /><br /><br />[size=10pt]Michael's hoax was, is, and will be the greatest adventure of our lifetime. To learn something in a totally new way is amazing to me. If Michael knocked on my door, with a Bible in hand.....yes, I'd let him in. However, I'd be so mesmerized I couldn't concentrate on the importance of the message. Well Michael....knock knock.....I am totally concentrated on the the message now. You have my full attention...........thank you. [/size]
<br /><br /><br />[size=10pt]Wishingstar, you and BeTheChange's posts are just so poignant and heart-stirring. Michael at the door brings to mind this oft seen painting.[/size]<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />[size=10pt]Curls[/size]<br />
[size=10pt]Being realistic here, I have to say TS (normally) has a way of wording things that allows for changes of plans. He (almost) always leaves space for a 'get-out' if needed. It's a skill he has in writing that I actually admire greatly, even though it's exasperating at times![/size]
<br />[size=10pt]Isn't he truly all that, and much more! Makes you want [/size][size=10pt] /pull hair/ /scream/ But we can't leave if we wanted to. [/size]
<br />I will not participate in / contribute to the biblical discussion or the "this religion is doing this" and "that one is doing that". There are others doing that better than I would. In addition, I think this is a very private affair. <br /><br />One thing however I want to get out as this is the key IMHO to further understanding.<br />We have witnessed a "death" story being told which led us to determine from the pieces we were offered that the person said to have died (said so by very powerful and convincing multiplicators) did NOT die.<br /><br />I think we are dealing with a parable which we still have not figured out completely.<br />IMHO it is essential to look back to remember and look again at what we saw and read and witnessed.<br /><br />We thought the story would refer to 2005, Sneddon, Klein, Jackson 5, AEG, Sony, TPTB, bad contracts, cheaters, leeches, false estate, bad doctors, bad guys, good guys, indepted physicians repeatedly lost on nittycritty child support issues (bad daddy) but negociating with real big guys six-digit contracts, making a career from a personal physician to a family doctor with a holistic approach and being such a loved member of his church (and patient) community that he would address them and his emotions not only in a publicly printed letter of a "once in a lifetime chance" but also on today's mass medium youtube etc etc...<br />One day we were thinking this or that person played this or that role, the other day we were getting into the contrary impression and were never able to really nail it down to a 100% fact. We were hovering around like a balloon losing its knot
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up and down and right and left. When we fell down to one theory, we were blown up again with a new story and
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went the balloon again. LOL<br /><br /><br />BUT - what if all that was presented was NEVER about Michael?<br />What if Michael has taken on the role to witness on Jesus, tell the Bible, from door to door, like he never has done it before? Didn't he get as close as can be with us? Didn't he invite us to discover the man? And wouldn't he (I'm trying to imagine) like to "start with the one in the mirror, for once in his life, it's gonna feel real good, gonna make a difference, gonna make it right? I gotta make that make me then make (that change)"?<br /><br />I remember I did not get the memorial at all as to who, why and how was participating - REALLY strange. For the farewell of THE entertainer? Far too religious. Painted oversticky with symbolism and not convincing to be a heartfelt goodbye for a person. A show to transport symbols and serve public emotions in providing a valve to let the steam out. I remember I sat there in disbelief. <br /><br />So if it was not a farewell for the entertainer or person, the memorial was what then?<br />It was bringing a pretty whole lot of spiritual momentum back into our memory of Michael Jackson and changed our perception, right? Was it moving? Yes. Was it asking for handkerchiefs? Yes. Was it our goodbye to Thriller, Bad, "scandals", Dancing The Dream, Moonwalker? No.<br />Even the commenting journalists were completely confused. They had prepared discography and career data and had to face Al Sharpton. Not much of their bio script would come up to be commented on. So they stayed with "it's sooo sad" and most of the times they were blubbering true nonsense.<br /><br />Coming from a "we do not know exactly what happened but it is all sooo sad" media and public assumptions of God knows what - swallowing the ambulance / coroner van fodder without any further question - to a spiritual <Thank You Lord> convention to celebrate an empty golden casket at Staples Center. Right. We went back "to normal" to investigate Sheriff, LAPD, LAFD, coroner, FBI, CIA, hospital, docs, pharmacies, the media and God knows what.<br />Was that relevant? This was also it. But not the right key.<br /><br />Do we realize now how many spiritually important persons have accompanied the first phases and Michael and us and do we realize that everything ties back to the belief in God? To "HEALING THE WORLD" taken serious?<br /><br />TMZ's "SWAT" operation picture with the moonwalking casket comes into my mind - special weapons and tactics - if for anything, I love Harvey for his word games - and Michael for being the master of word games. This is so brilliant...<br /><br />July 7, 2009 (there is an "s" missing):<br />http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/07/michael-jackson-lapd-funeral/<br /><br />April 10, 2010:<br />http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/10/michael-jackson-casket-memorial-burial-staples-center/<br />http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/10/photo-credit-2.jpg<br />(aka THIS AIN'T REAL ... LOL)<br /><br />We thought it was a criminal investigation into Doc Murray when in fact court room was a live demonstration of false assumptions, theories, curves of 9 peaks on a slide that were all man-made without any backing up case behind.<br />When Doc Murray was strangled in IV tubes and buried under 777 vials in the room, Dr. White had to acknowledge he violated court rules, Dr. Shafer emphasized on his huge theoretical hot air achievements and global recommendations, when Judge Pastor was predicting the weather and traffic conditions (remember the rainy days?), when Flannagan let the room fall asleep one more time, when the camera zoomed onto a wrong seal nobody seemed to care about, when the Sheriff staff sat on a torch and we found all kinds of keys, elephants and dodos in the room and Ms. Brazil was just as pretty as ever and Wally was sooo smart again, it was NOT about Michael.<br /><br />It was about what we make out of our belief in God (for agnostics or atheists: the positive higher powers in our life).<br />A show, a selfish "look how great I am", stuffed with all kinds of cosy things, breaking the rules, putting garbage on the table declaring it important, making up our own drafts of explanations of our pictures in a TERRIBLE quality, playing on I-Pad during court (or the cell phone in church during mass?), dwelling again and again in all kinds of unnecessary loops (and loopholes), finally falling asleep and making everybody else asleep - thus being a block in the path of our brothers and sisters and of ourselves.<br /><br />Michael is holding up a real HUGE mirror IMHO.<br />He's doing a tremendously good job. This is breathtaking.<br />Not over yet. More to come. Did I say, I love this journey? I really do. From the bottom of my heart.<br />So grateful for Michael's patience. If anyone, he got it.<br /><br />Gratitude thread? <br />God, am I blessed to live these days, to have been called into this place, to get to know Michael and grow myself everyday more. This is the most exciting deep sea dive I've ever agreed to undertake without knowing whether there'd be any oxygene or life support (or IV) down there - and yet I KNOW, I will get up and out as a new person and it will all be fine and better than ever. <br /><br />EOW ? End of ME.<br /><br />Blessings and much love to everybody - my deepest respect to Michael who just did it. <br /><br /> bearhug <br />Oh how I bet Michael sat down for hours if not days to discuss with Doc Murray.<br />But not about Propofol LOL<br /><br />L.O.V.E. <br />
<br /><br />Grace, laughter, tears, clapping hands, yellin' /woohoo/ and finally bow/ were my reactions while I was reading your post! This HUGE mirror you were talking about is exactly what is Michael holding up in front of us, like he was singing "Man in the mirror" in TII "stand up.. stand up, look at yourself and make that change". You perfectly described my thoughts about Michael's plans and mission, in a bigger picture perspective. TMZ's casket and SWAT van article was one of the odd sort of spoofish articles of TMZ where I was "hmmm" thinking. My faith and amazement grew more and more during this journey . I love it and I'm also grateful to join all of you. Indeed, there's more to come, the journey ain't over yet, I've plenty of patience, it's definately worth it and I've a big suitcase with me lol. <br />
Oh how I bet Michael sat down for hours if not days to discuss with Doc Murray.<br />But not about Propofol LOL
lolol/ I bet with you! Probably heavy discussions about the screenplay and acting techniques ).<br /><br />Thanks Grace for your tremendously well written post.<br /><br />I'm happy to be here, I wouldn't have missed this for the world and I thank ALL of you for your great posts here on this forum!<br /><br /> bearhug<br /><br />L.O.V.E.
Amazing post, Grace, and all of you guys... Knowing that Europe is going to sign ACTA tomorrow - now I'm starting to have all the pieces of the puzzle fit in my head...
[color=rgb(17, 17, 17)][size=small]The "Sabbath" to Make a "Comeback" in 2012 in America (January 2012)[/size][/color]<br />[color=rgb(17, 17, 17)][size=small]Faith leaders were asked for predictions for 2012. Look at one of the things that was stated ...[/size][/color]<br />[size=small][color=rgb(17, 17, 17)]"Sabbath becomes trendy! Fourth Commandment makes a comeback! Sabbath named Time’s person of the year! A new movement sweeps the country. They call themselves 24/6. Worn out by being tethered to the grid 24/7, sick of being accessible all hours of the day, inundated by updates, upgrades, and breaking news, AMERICANS FINALLY REBEL, DEMANDING, "WE NEED A DAY OFF." People all over the country go offline for 24 hours every week. The simple break from the frenetic pace results in lowered cholesterol rates, fewer speeding tickets, and a reduction in marital strife. Peace, tranquility and contentment spread like wildfire."[/color][/size]<br />[size=small][color=rgb(17, 17, 17)]This "sabbath" as we know will be Sunday![/color][/size]<br />[color=rgb(17, 17, 17)][size=small]News Article: (See point number 9) http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/01/12-faith-based-predictions-for-2012/[/size][/color]
<br /><br />Sign (TS)<br />
[size=small]Also, video of the ark and the tables of stone will be made public in the near future, shortly after [/size]the mark of the beast law is passed.[size=small]).[/size]
<br />[size=small]It's possible that MJ has met and discussed the findings with Ron Wyatt, since he seems confident about what will be shown in the future. Talking one on one changes things, such as trustworthiness possibly. Perhaps MJ has met with political law-makers and knows about the NSL New Sunday Law, with certainty as well.[/size]<br />
<br /><br />MJonmind-I can't tell if you think this is a good thing or bad thing based on the article you chose to post in this comment. The National Sunday Law is NOT a good thing at all. It is being sold to everyone as a good thing because people are tired of working with no day specified by law that they don't have to work. If the National Sunday Law goes into effect it will mean that people are taking the mark of the beast if they abide by that law. The reason people are/will take the mark of the beast is because they will be keeping the Sabbath on the wrong day. They wont even know it. This is why this info is so important now to us because we will know about the scheme and we can prepare to not take the mark of the beast. Saturday is the correct day of Sabbath (like Souza wrote). Sunday is the day Satan made us believe was the right day.<br /><br />I realize that for right now most of the info regarding the National Sunday Law is geared towards America but it is said that once we (USA) make it mandatory as a law the rest of the countries will follow until the whole world is worshipping the beast. That link I posted has many articles about some countries already making this law enforcable. Here is another link I found regarding the issue.http://www.scribd.com/doc/13224723/Enforced-Sunday-Law-Coming-Soon-To-America-by-Vance-Ferrell<br /><br />The information you quoted from TS is not exclusive to him. <br />This linkhttp://www.wyattarchaeology.com/nsl.pdfI posted in my other comment where the booklet is available regarding the N.S.L. also has this info.http://www.wyattarchaeology.com/ark.htm<br />
The time is coming when the inhabitants of the world will have a universal, religious law enforced upon them. This law will force man to break God's law, by penalty of disenfranchisement (being unable to buy or sell, Rev. 13:17). Some time after this law has been passed, God will allow the tables of stone (The 10 Commandments) and a good clear video of the Ark of the Covenant to be put on public display.<br />
Scroll down to the first video. I believe that TS only tells us so much, like guiding us in the right direction but stops short of almost telling us everything. The rest is up to us to discover.
@ Bindupbrokenheart: Your posts were excellent. /bravo/<br />Ron Wyatt is very controversial among the mainstream of Christianity. There's some good and some bad so everyone please take him with a grain of salt, and don't be deceived.<br />I posted this earlier on the other site so will copy it here:<br /><br />Just wanted to check in and let you know TS I saw the redirect. ::P<br /><br />My father passed away 1-16-2012 so I have been busy elsewhere making arrangements and will get back to studying & re-reading your post later. Right now I have a lot to handle. <br />I love you TS; you know that. That will never change, but I think you already know on this we will just need to agree to disagree on the Michael the Archangel / Jesus thing. I understand where you are coming from, and why you would believe that with the whole Angel of the Lord thing which confuses a lot of people, but I believe as does most mainstream Christianity that the Bible supports & identifies them as two separate entities. <br /><br />I wish you well and will be back later. :-*<br /><br />Love to all <br /><br /> bearhug<br /><br />PS:<br />I Just watched this today after my original post. I think it's relevant... WOW.<br /><br />
@MsTrinity333.......I will keep you close in thought and prayer for the passing of your father. You are such blessing here. I hope you find peace and comfort knowing that friends are thinking of you.<br />Blessings to you always........
We are talking in this topic about the Ark of the Covenant and the tablets of stone containing the commandments written with the finger of God that were placed inside the Ark. <br />The georgia guidestones also have a list of 10 commandments of the NWO's agenda. For comparison, this is their list. <br /><br />
<br />THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES<br /> <br /> 1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.<br /> 2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.<br /> 3. Unite humanity with a living new language.<br /> 4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.<br /> 5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.<br /> 6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.<br /> 7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.<br /> 8. Balance personal rights with social duties.<br /> 9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.<br />10. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.<br /> <br />Limiting the population of the earth to 500 million will require the extermination of nine-tenths of the world's people. The American Stonehenge's reference to establishing a world court foreshadows the current move to create an International Criminal Court and a world government. The Guidestones' emphasis on preserving nature anticipates the environmental movement of the 1990s, and the reference to "seeking harmony with the infinite" reflects the current effort to replace Judeo-Christian beliefs with a new spirituality.
<br /><br />I am once again totally speechless at the audacity and pride of man to raise his fist in defiance at the laws of the Living God.
<br /><br />@Curls, TS has been very clear that Michael will return before 2013. <br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />Being realistic here, I have to say TS (normally) has a way of wording things that allows for changes of plans. He (almost) always leaves space for a 'get-out' if needed. It's a skill he has in writing that I actually admire greatly, even though it's exasperating at times!<br /><br />I say 'normally' and 'almost' because in the first section of this Ark redirect (quoted below), he appears not to leave any room for doubt/change of heart or plan - and this is very uncharacteristic of him.<br /><br />"It should also be clearly stated at this point that the world will not end on 12-21-2012; but it will end shortly after 2012! How long is “shortly”? Nobody knows a specific date; but it will probably be within the next few years (nobody living on earth now is going to grow old, unless you’re nearly there already). How can we be sure that this is true? If you keep watching, you will learn how, soon enough."<br />
<br /><br />i've stayed away from commenting in this thread because i don't know about the direction this is all going. however, i've read every post here trying to learn. i decided to sit back and watch how this all plays out. <br /><br />i must say the quote curls uses from TS confuses me (and upsets me). how does TS know the world will end soon after 2012? and pardon me, but am i the only one upset by the claim that we "won't live to grow old?" i'm not necessarily afraid of death, but i will certainly feel that i was cheated from experience and my purpose. i believe in the Bible that God says no one knows when the world will end. i don't think Michael knows. i don't think TS knows. unless TS is God and is up in heaven on his holy wifi giving us these updates, then i think he should be careful with these statements. people will (and have) started to question his role. <br /><br />unless......and i could be reading this completely out of context....TS said the world will end "shortly after 2012." he did not clarify that it was after dec. 31 2012. he DID state that it won't end 12. 21. 12 (questionable because i don't think anyone knows for certain). what if this is all alluding to the bam. the world as we know it (meaning without Michael) will end after 2012 (1.1.12) but not on 12. 21. 12. (maybe before that date). i don't know. i'm throwing it out there. <br /><br />but i think the end of the world will be God's BAM. just like no one knows Michael's, no one knows God's.
[size=small]MsTrinity333, my condolences to you in the loss of your father. [/size][size=small]May God bring you comfort, and may you feel the love here as well.[/size]<br /><br />MJfansince4<br />
but i think the end of the world will be God's BAM. just like no one knows Michael's, no one knows God's.
<br />Yes, all very mysterious/seeming impossible.<br /><br /><br />Im_Convinced, yes I agree with you. I have studied SDA teaching in the past.<br /><br />Edit: (After reading Bec's post below which I agree is the right attitude to have! Silly me crash/ <br /><br />RK, I agree those Georgia Guidestones are downright scary interesting! <br />They remind me of (not sure if these have been noted before) the Jewish Noahide Laws (and the New World Court) which are:<br />
The Seven Noahide Laws<br /><br />1. Idolatry is forbidden. Man is commanded to believe in the One G-d alone and worship only Him.<br />2. Incestuous and adulterous relations are forbidden. Human beings are not sexual objects, nor is pleasure the ultimate goal of life.<br />3. Murder is forbidden. The life of a human being, formed in G-d's image, is sacred.<br />4. Cursing the name of G-d is forbidden. Besides honoring and respecting G-d, we learn from this precept that our speech must be sanctified, as that is the distinctive sign which separated man from the animals.<br />5. Theft is forbidden. The world is not ours to do with as we please.<br />6. Eating the flesh of a living animal is forbidden. This teaches us to be sensitive to cruelty to animals. (This was commanded to Noah for the first time along with the permission of eating meat. The rest were already given to Adam in the Garden of Eden.)<br />7. Mankind is commanded to establish courts of justice and a just social order to enforce the first six laws and enact any other useful laws or customs.<br />http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/noahide.html<br />
<br />The scary danger thing for Christians to keep in mind, about these laws especially tied to the New World Court is:<br />
According to the Noahide Laws if one believes in the Messiah Yahushua, then they are guilty of Idolatry. To add fuel to the fire, if you speak the name of Eloah, you have Blasphemed, guilty as charged, outcome decapitation.<br /><br />“NATIONAL ISSUE: One Court For All The World? A United Nations meeting in Rome is wrapping up five weeks of work on a proposed international criminal court. The new court would have worldwide jurisdiction and could investigate, indict, hold, try, and punish, those who committed certain crimes. The proposed international court would subject Americans to a new world authority... "Were talking about creating here something that exercises genuine power, real put-people-in-jail power, but that is responsible to no one but itself." said Lee Casey, a constitutional lawyer with the Washington firm of Hunton & Williams. [Investment Business Daily, Thursday July 16, 1998 Los Angeles, California]”<br />That old rugged machine is back! Guillotines, by the millions are being stored in Georgia and other parts of the United States. Bill #1274 of the Georgia House of Representatives- 1995/1996 Sessions HB 1274 - Death penalty; guillotine provisions Code Sections - 17-10-38/ 17-10-44:<br /><br />"And I saw thrones – and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them – and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to Yahushua and because of the Word of Elohim, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years" (Revelation 20:4)<br />http://bewareofthenoahidelaws.followersofyah.com/<br />
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