2. also: strange: Maybe it was Reagan as president, he invited Michael to the White House and Michael was VERY afraid, he always asked: "Where are the children"?I dont wanna say Michael was strange these whole years but some points must be noted to his behaviour...
Reagen? Reagen was president until January 20, 1989, so I'd like to know which children are you referring to..?
I dont know who the children were...but Michael expected them and closed himself up in the toilet..he was scared....wasnt it in 1984?
Also: the mind-control didnt start in this century, but long before...anyone heard about the spanish inquisition and the so called "witch hunt"? Thye started there and all the way through the 2 World war..yes, people were in concentration camps and worked..but what most forget= children and adults were also misused with experiments..I heard about Dr. Mengele who had help to escape to America and make much more experiments there with people..brainwash to the highest level...does anybody remember Marilyn Monroe?
What she had at home were mirrors...mirrors...her psychiatry told her to do so...he was called "Mr. Green one day and the other Mr. Blue"..(some M. quotes from memoirs)...
Man in the mirror has some disturbing elements for me..it reminds me always of Snowwhite..her second mom always asked the mirror who the beautifullest woman was on earth...brainwash from the Grimm brothers..
Sorry to some of you if you dont get my point..i am thinking in different ways at the same time with coming with much more possibilities.....
Besides, Joseph would NOT have stood for THAT BULLcrap on FIVE of his little boys?????
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NO! <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> Not even if it had been in the 1700's. NO. Joseph would have knocked some serious blocks off, or died trying. There would have been blood on the dancefloor for DANG certain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm right about this.
Don't believe everything you hear about "Dad". He loves his boys! His broad shoulders keep taking the bad rap for controversies' sakes! It sells!! He is a TRIP! No one can play a crusty old man better than an old Showman... <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> Remember, It was HIS dreaming <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> that kickstarted, enabled and honed the 1st version of the talent given to the world!
First of all, I never pointed fingers and I still won't, but the statement you make above is making me jump out of my panties here.
Joe was the one beating his children so bad, that Katherine was afraid he would kill one of them one day. Mike repeatedly stated he was scared stiff of him and had to vomit whenever he saw him when he had to perform, even when he was an adult.
I am not here to bash anyone of the Jackson family, but what you stated is not something I can fully agree with. Maybe he loves them, but he has a BAAAAAAAD way of showing them. I don't like the guy at all, he gives me creeps.
Yikes! Souza—we can’t have you jumping out of your panties! I’m sorry—I tried to post last week and it got vaporized as I submitted it---I guess I timed out or something, because it asked me to login, too, when I was. I was coming down with something nasty which dropped me 4 days--so I didn’t retry, then, but I did want to respond…
Let me just clear this up also, as I believe Mo questioned something I said, not certain what exactly, but, I believe we ARE on the same side as far as this being a real practice.They used to call this the casting couch, and wanted people to believe it was only happening to women.
I just said that the facts as presented by the woman who wrote that book are not the truth, exactly. Victims would be in no condition to get up and dance right after this horror. There are injuries. Vomiting. Hysterics. And NO righteously fed up self respecting Black man in the 1960s will permit his sons to pay THAT price for fame and fortune. NO. <!-- s:x -->:x<!-- s:x -->
There IS child rape, both for secret initiation, religious cult purposes for perverse sport or predatory kicks. I read reports every day about the victims and the twisted "Fs" who do their own little boys. This did not happen as the woman said, and further, I believe MJ's personality changed far later in life than this---after or during the filming of his "Moonwalker". But NOT saying what happened was anything sexual or humiliating. I'm not comfortable gossiping about his sex life --just that I don't believe MJ was ever raped.
Joseph Jackson gives a lot of people the creeps, right now. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> From my purposeful perspective, that’s the official story, and they (the Jackson clan) are stickin’ to it. I know it seems like a stretch---because he’s so convincing, but I really believe he was commissioned by the Master “MJician”, himself for this role in the HOAX. Just listen for a minute and see if you can see how this could be at all.
Despite everything we’ve heard of the physical abuse, the older siblings say that they would never say Michael was lying, but they said his tender perspective was skewed, and what he was experiencing was just the “old school” discipline they ALL got—tough but not child abuse.
Yes, they hated it, and couldn’t wait to jump ship from where “Joseph” ruled his domain with an iron fist, but even the girls said it was just a different generation; a different era; a different child rearing methodology for behaviour modification. I think Michael’s high IQ couldn’t make ANY sense of such heavy-handedness from his young point of view---he had NO concept of his dad’s EQ---the emotional quotient saturated with the holy terror that probably dogged their dad all the time they were in Gary---about the crap shoot of a future of all those babies. Fear can make you mean.
My own family life supports this as true. We were hit with whatever, a leather strap (until it “disappeared” <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ), a hair brush. Mostly a special whipping switch of our own choosing from the backyard tree, with the added benefit of being able to contribute to and anticipate the “learning experience” with desperate, darting thoughts and pre-strike sobbing.
It was just another generation’s mindset on discipline. My dad’s favourite saying while he was driving, to shout into the back seat at us, when I was about 7, was, “Do you want a broken arm?” I would see kids at school in casts and surmise they had been bad. <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: -->
Over the top? Yes. (Archaic? Yes, for 7,000 years) but none of us died, and we didn’t get hit for something we couldn’t help---like missing dance steps---but, then, we didn’t have the same potential choice of futures , either!!
I don’t support hitting little people.
Sometimes mean big people need a good slap, but that’s not my job, either. I’m simply explaining the firsthand experience. My parents didn’t leave marks on us. It was more hurtful to one’s feelings than flesh.
My wild 13 year old sister actually ASKED for the “rope”, many times instead of being grounded all week for sneaking out at night. My cousins got “forked” when they were “bad”. Every family of that era had SOME violent “treatment” to curb rebellion. Heck, at school they hit us with rulers! And a small minded nun slapped my face for writing my name in red crayon on my homework. Kids know which end is up, and are more resilient than people think. Sometimes, learning about how those in power can be unbalanced and dangerous, is a valuable lesson.
With regard to the latest from MJ’s own lips about being oiled naked, and whipped…none of us was there, and I submit to you that neither Joseph nor MJ was there, either! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
We are talking about a very frightening subject; mind control and programming, and these very vivid movies could have been PLANTED in MJ’s mind at any time, after he first appeared on some puppetmaster’s radar, could they not? All or none of what he’s said over the years could be real! He’s said it himself: if you hear a lie enough, it becomes real to you.
Lives have been ruined just by allowing children to be talked into beliefs by the family shrink. NEVER leave your child alone with a head doctor—even if the interview is court ordered.
We all know what happens to your reality when you are sleep deprived. The average teenager knows more now than doctors knew in the 60s. Aside from exposing the kids to riff-raff, drunks and naked ladies prematurely, Joe didn’t know any better when he was waking his boys up, mid-sleep-cycle and carting them all over the place like trick animals. Who knows what nightmares were interrupted and filed away as true events, just because of the way the fatigued brain tries to MAKE things work, when they don’t?
And---think about this---this may be why MJ keeps saying that the music makes him do things—touch himself way more than he realized he ever did it. He’s been programmed to dance very “hands-on” very unconsciously, INADVERTENTLY while he was in that OPEN alpha–state, beholding squirming “ladies” drawing attention to the goods, themselves, to resounding hoots and hollers.
I think he did it for years innocently, where all he COULD do was “hum along and dance” to that piper. It was SO ingrained as natural, that even though he was alone having no one to talk to about this, he held his ground, stubbornly and with much confusion and anxiety, as his church elders tried to make him feel dirty about it. They didn’t mind receiving his money, as long as they were permitted to bend his mind. Just because it isn’t called “Programming” or “mind control”, does not mean it isn’t.
IMHO, twisted philosophies do far more damage to someone than corporal punishment.
If my dad had stripped me down, oiled me and whipped ME, I would have left home at 8, or made a blithering idiot out of him as he slept!!!!!!!!!! NO, no- no- no. I would have made that situation safe for myself, somehow or other.
MJ lived at home, in that situation, until his 30s. What is wrong with this picture? Even MJ has leaked things to the press which are contrived for effect, and only about 2/3 of all the stuff in even good books is remotely true about him.
I think that Michael himself doubts his own recollection of a lot of things. I’ve heard him say at least twice, that he can’t believe Joseph is the same man who raised him like a tyrant. He said he’s just as gentle and sweet with 25 years of grandkids as any sweet old grandpa. Ditto, in my house, too. A- MAZING!
Even though he sounded wistful, wondering WHY oh WHY this nice guy wasn’t HIS dad, when they were younger, he didn’t seem to harbor ill will. And, he DOESN'T harbor ill will.
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This might seem impossible to accept, but he actually loves his dad, and his dad has always loved him. Joseph knew what was really happening during the molestation trial. He was helplessly TERRIFIED for Michael.
So…NOW he gets to be a player in this hoax! Does anyone remember how the J 5’s dad and mom were in the 70s? He cleans up NICE. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> I’ve seen interviews and family movies, where Joe and Katherine present quite <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> the united front: in love with each other, and proud of their large family of talent. Imagine! Loosely quoting Mr. Spock, “A civilized man is able to pass for a Barbarian, but a Barbarian hasn’t the where withal to assume the persona of that which he has no concept”
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I’m telling you, this persona he has adopted is a contrivance!! <!-- s --><!-- s --> Joe has been scripted to be this distracting, exasperating <!-- s --><!-- s --> old curmudgeon, who forgets to turn his cell phone off on Larry King Live, and who pesters his millionaire son for money,
and refers to him as his Brand Name instead of his first name---always.
He is a planted distraction, a misdirection, so Michael can move around undetected. Every so often someone in the family appears newsworthy, and sometimes it is HIS turn! His antics are nothing to be angry about---he is a character! He’s funny, and I think he is going for it! Look at him good , next time he comes out to play!! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> Controversies make those Jacksons newsworthy, like NONE of their charitable endeavors have.
The very LAST thing Michael Jackson, King of Pop needs right now, is to be out of sight, out of mind! <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> <!-- s:| -->:|<!-- s:| -->
He MUST <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> pepper himself into the news, regularly, to build suspense. It’s ALL right on schedule.
MJ himself, forgiver and lover extraordinaire has briefed “Daddy” specifically on what his role of distraction is to be, and he plays it to the hilt! You know…it could be the last big showbiz performance in the guys life—he’s 80ish—and it just makes Michael’s kind heart shine so much more to be so inclusive , “after all”, with “Papa Joe” in his Greatest Show On Earth.
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Whenever I get tempted to think MJ isn’t coming back, <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> this could be a selfish escape on his part to drum up big bucks without having to show his face, I think about how kind and generous he is being to his dad. It warms the heart all over again, and shames me.
At first, I was just willing to give Joe the benefit of the doubt, but I’ve seen too much, now. The family doesn’t treat him privately as they do publicly! He’s FAKE taking it on the chin for Mikey to fly high with this extravaganza, behind the scenes…. Joseph IS one of the Jackson Players! I probably haven't changed your mind....but I hope you'll at least take another look at Joe when he's acting up. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
2. also: strange: Maybe it was Reagan as president, he invited Michael to the White House and Michael was VERY afraid, he always asked: "Where are the children"?I dont wanna say Michael was strange these whole years but some points must be noted to his behaviour...
Reagen? Reagen was president until January 20, 1989, so I'd like to know which children are you referring to..?
I dont know who the children were...but Michael expected them and closed himself up in the toilet..he was scared....wasnt it in 1984?
These kids were the offspring of White House staff, who heard MJ was going to be at their Dad/ Mom's work, and asked if they could be present, or MJ himself inquired as to whether kids would be there for this award he was receiving... I mean, really---what's the point of your parents having a job rubbing elbows with the president and his staff, if they don't even bring you to work when MICHAEL JACKSON visits???!!
Everybody kind of shooed them out of the way, and since MJ had been told there would be kids there to meet him, and they were NO where to be found, he flipped out! <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> Politicians are known liars and assassins. Maybe that was the wrong word...but, SOMEthing really spooked him so bad, that when they PROMISED him they'd go round up the kids, he STILL wouldn't come out until they promised that ALL the adults would leave the room, too!! He could have been spooked about ole Nancy, who was known to have dabbled in the occult---he was still with the church, then....who knows?
I can't remember where I read this--I believe about 2/3 of the story. MJ fears only one thing that I've ever "witnessed" or read about, and this situation was not it. I don't think he was afraid of the adults---I think <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> he was giving them a magic "treatment " for jerking him around! He Poof! made all the adults disappear! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s:twisted: -->:twisted:<!-- s:twisted: --> Maybe he thought the kids wouldn't be real, but would be suppressed in their enthusiasm, by the influence of their parents.... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
SOUZA AND ALL CONTRIBUTERS ON THIS SUBJECT OF "MIND CONTROL"...ABUSE.
I'd like to take this to a different perspective, a perspective of further understanding as I see it.
Yes, I don't care for Joe either as I didn't care for many adults with his behavior when I was growing up in the 50's. Back then in the 50's raising children to be submissive (brainwashing) was the normal thing - spanking in schools allowed, children should be seen and not heard, etc. It was the way to keep children below the level of adults to keep order and the discipline was even worse in generations before that.
Does anyone know if Joe Jackson was in the military?
The Jackson kids and myself are also "baby boomers" which means we are children of fathers who served in the military for WWII and the Korean War. That was a time of strict rules within the family structure to keep life in order. I had an uncle who physically and mentally abused my 4 cousins. They then became abusive adults, got into the drug culture or alternative sexual orientation and as adults have struggled to recover. We all have those stories to tell.
Being in the military is devastating to the mind. Even the short 6 weeks in boot camp is a mind fuck. If Joe Jackson was not in the military remember that he is of the era where
Racism was a dis-heartening huge part of life in America. Blacks were made to ride at the back of the bus or not allowed in most eateries. He and his family are a textbook example of the initial mind control experiments. Joe's great grand parents are direct descendants of slavery so he had an innate chip on his shoulder. So with that in mind his dream to bring his family out of and above I would imagine he used the only tools he knew how to use. It is horrible, but parents do the best they can with what they know. I see his children are exceptionally good people who with stood the abuse and broke the chains. I'm guessing they all have at some time or another been in counseling as some of us also have. So they seem a bit nutty. If they were not in the public eye we wouldn't have a reason to notice. Michael just happens to be the most examined
Lucky for the Jackson boys they had a religious mother which gave them a foundation of mental balance while growing up, but as we are finding out religion in fact is another form of mind control - these kids are lucky to have had any sense of original self left. What's most important I believe it was the family love and focus of the dream that held things together. There's that word LOVE again. There's that word DREAM again.
SOUZA, CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY THAT JOE JACKSON IS ON ANTI-DEPRESSANT DRUGS TO HELP HIM DEAL WITH IS GUILT OF WHAT HE DID GETTING HIS KIDS BROKE INTO THE INDUSTRY. MAYBE THAT IS WHY HIS BEHAVIOR SEEMS SO ALOOF OR NOT WITH IT. ALSO HE IS WELL INTO HIS 80's DEALING WITH HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, HARDENING OF THE ARTERIES AND NATURAL MIND DETERIORATION FOR A HUMAN HIS AGE. WHO IN OUR OWN FAMILIES SHOWS SIMILAR BEHAVIOR? PLENTY IN MINE DO.
Point I'm trying to make is we are all born clean with a free conscious mind, but then we have been brainwashed by mind control fucking up our innate goodness.
We all still have a subconscious sixth sensitivity to the subliminal mind control, which is the true reason that make us question our behavior especially when we do or say things that hurt others. The inner confusion (good vs. evil) keeps us off balance, not centered. If we get away with crime we repeat it. Example, if we get away with being mean to a sibling, we learn their weak place so we repeat it. What I know, have seen of Michael Jackson, I see a person who has learned to resist being shoved off balance. His life was literally kidnapped by the hands of the dark side, but his belief and foundation of love kept him on the better path. It's all about LOVE he says. Forgiving his father and other abusers is a great example of the power of inner love. Is that his message? What do you guys think? Can OUR LOVE heal the world?
In conclusion I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT WE ALL ARE THE PRODUCT OF MIND CONTROL. "THEY" (the enemy, the dark force, the illuminati, Satan, the mutherfuckers, etc) HAVE TAUGHT US TO MIND FUCK OURSELVES !!!
HUMANS NEED TO BREAK THE CYCLE AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS WITH LOVE !
THIS IS MICHAEL'S MESSAGE. WHY CAN'T WE GET IT AND GET ON WITH OUR POWER OF HEALING ???
(“THEY” are the illuminati) note that I refuse to capitalize that title even though spell check tries to.
BY KNOWING THAT IT SHOULD BE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND
1. Why people of different races have hate for each other - "THEY” want that.
***BUT WE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE "HUMAN RACE" RIGHT?
2. Why countries want to fight against and kill each other - depopulation of course
WE DON’T WANT WAR - THIS IS "OUR" EARTH - WE DO NOT WANT IT DESTROYED BY GAMES OF HATE
3. why people point fingers thinking they are above others
***STRIP AWAY ALL THE TRINKETS AND WE ARE ALL NAKED BEINGS
4. Why your clothes or car or house is better than the next guy
IF ALL YOU OWN BURNS UP IN A FIRE, EARTHQUAKE, TORNADO, FLOOD OR BOMBING FROM THE MILITARY, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE LEFT?
>>>THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO HELP WITH "LOVE".<<<
5. Why people think their GOD can beat up another GOD
***WE ARE OUR OWN SAVIOR. THE IMAGINARY SAVIORS WERE CREATED TO MAKE US DEPENDENT ON SOMETHING OUTSIDE OUR OWN SELVES TO HIDE THE TRUTH THAT WE HAVE A UNIVERSAL GOD GIVEN POWER WITHIN - You will soon see the light of that.
6. Why people think Dave Dave is repulsive and ugly - media brainwashing for perfection
***WE ARE ALL THE SAME ON THE INSIDE - THE PACKAGE IS NOT IMPORTANT – PLEASE LEARN EMPATHY AND LOVE
7. Why people want to dissect the good, bad and reasons of others
***WE ARE ALL VICTIMS OF MEDIA BRAINWASHING SO LOOK AT THE MAN IN THE MIRROR OKAY ???
THE DARK FORCE SYSTEMATICALLY PLACES EVENTS INTENTIONALLY TO INSTILL HATE. THEY HAVE TAUGHT US TO DO IT TO EACH OTHER .
WE TALK ABOUT HOW EVIL THEY ARE.
ARE WE ANY LESS EVIL TO CONTINUE DOING THAT AMONG OURSELVES?
IT IS TIME TO DE-PROGRAM OURSELVES FROM THE BRAINWASHING.
IT IS TIME TO STOP MIND FUCKING OURSELVES AND OTHERS.
IT IS TIME TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF ABUSE ON MANKIND.
IT IS TIME TO PUT ON THE ARMOR OF LOVE FOR PROTECTION.
(Did you ever wonder why Michael wore a lot of armor type clothing?) hummm.....
IT IS TIME TO GET THIS PARTY STARTED, THE PARTY OF LOVE PEOPLE !! ! !
I want to continue being a part of this forum.
I struggle at home to practice LOVE.
It's not easy to de-program myself and fight Darth Vader.
I'm so pissed off "We the People" have been lied to and have to de-program.
The de-programming is the biggest challenge for entrance into our future.
Sometimes when I read the posts and see the nit picking it brings me down, and then I have to struggle back up again.
WE ARE ALL VICTIMS OF THE DARK FORCE - LOVE IS THE ONLY WEAPON OF CHANGE
Keep on practicing LOVE. We will get there.
XOXOXO
I LOVE your observation (amongst other thoughts, herein) about MJ having learned to resist being shoved off balance!! I LOVE that about him---he's SOOOO strong! I never met or observed ANYone SO "centered" as you say, and SO confident. I know some strong people---but they waver on occasion. It's hit or miss.
He NEVER expresses self doubt EVER. EVER. NEVER.
I thought, maybe that THAT was something programmed into him at Disney, somehow---as a "fail-safe" directive to continual success--because it's just not natural to have this attribute. We are taught so, SO young, to doubt ourselves, compare ourselves, or be compared to others, etc., and as you said, we are placed under the thumbs of authority/control with degrading methods
HOW do you think MJ learned this? [This "skill" of his has mezmerized me since I first caught him doing this as a youth!] He fears nothing (he may show respect to people of note , but he mentally kowtows to NO one).
He never explains the how--just says to do it: believe in yourself, don't let anyone turn you around, etc. WHAT makes it stick?? Or, in other words, HOW did he DE-program all the BS laid down before one can even talk back, so that he's not constantly fighting it??
He intrigues me to no end--just about THIS--forget all the cuteness and talent and gifts that I love. I want to know THIS trick!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean how to make it stick, always. Does anyone know a place where he has SAID how he became SO resistant to everything from outside?
[I would teach this to every person in my path if it was teachable----HINT: Yet another reason MJ MUST come back! Maybe he actually has a PLAN to accomplish MASSIVE de-programming, eh? THAT would be all for LOVE!! And---it would be "the greatest demonstration of FREEDOM in history"....]
I know it has something to do with him always posing with his arms out--it's almost as if he's DARING something to try to rattle him, showing IT that he is unbreakable...but, where did he get this? He does this **ALL** the time, as if he's trying to envelop the entire world in his embrace, or as if he's been programmed to acknowledge that he's going for, or HAS accomplished another dream!
He's so cool, I almost can't stand the suspense! And thank you for provoking alot of thoughts!
This thread is now going on 6 pages so I hope that people are truely waking up to this horrific REALITY!
The fact that the USA govt. has been using the MKULTRA mind control programming on ALL of us for as long as they have is the very reason many people can't see the TRUTH!
I believe very strongly in my soul that yes MJ was MIND CONTROLLED! And the ultimate level of that MIND CONTROL is THE ILLUMINATI and the way they program children and then cont. to do so as the children grow up into adulthood.
What was supposed to be innocent fun fantasy from Disney in my childhood has become a horrific reality of the most horrendous abuse on our societies minds.
They took my innocent child hood memories that I had. Now I see how they have corrupted many youth and adults into still believing in the fantasy.
I realize that fantasy is just that, fantasy.
Many people have blurred the lines of fantasy into reality in their own lives as a way to escape it. Their lives.
I never bought into the Peter Pan character of MJ because to me it is just that a fantasy. Yet the Illuminati used it as a way to manipulate MJ and turn him into a freak.
The character fantasy manipulation of Peter Pan has cont. to manipulate many fans of MJ's to think he is Peter Pan and they ( fans) are Wendy. Or Tinkerbell.
I'm highly upset at the reality of these fans who cont. to refer to themselves in that way.
Or when they cont. to feed the corrupt image of MJ as Peter Pan.
I for one will never say to him "your my peter pan, can I be your wendy?"
That to me keeps the cycle of abuse going.
I am sure MJ is aware of what has happened and now he is using the bad for good.
I have another opinion about who is trying to cont. to exploit MJ with this mind control of Peter Pan but, I refrain at the moment from saying a name.
After spending hours reading on the MKULTRA and how they traffic children and use them for programs I am sickened to this reality.
I am sickened to read how right under my nose here in Portland, OR at the train station is an underground tunnel system to traffic children into the MKULTRA program.
I have a 16 year old daughter and I do share the very harse reality with her about this very stuff. Of course I keep some things from her. Like the torture of the children. But, if I don't tell her who will?
She goes to school and she has to be aware of the evil <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> so she can run if she needs to.
Many parents need to inform the children so it doesn't happen to them.
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ok. first off. mj is not a freak. i know you were using it in the sense that there are many in the public who see him that way (ignorant people) but he is not and never was. michael's the shit. it's a universal fact.
secondly, i dont know if i buy into this whole illuminati thing. i'm going to admit (so please don't get defensive) that i dont know much about it. it all seems really confusing to me. i know mind control has been used in governments across the world...but what is hard for me to grasp is that, if they try to mind control us, how come we're questioning it? i kinda think the fact that we're aware of such a thing and more people are starting to not buy into the media and its completely sensationalized and biased stories in a way proves this 'mind control' isn't really working per say.
i mean, i have to think about all the people throughout history (not just America's- but the world's) who have questioned and gone against what mainstream media was saying. I have heard of the stories where this mind control group was (perhaps) behind the deaths of the great legends of Martin Luther King Jr, JFK and Lennon. And while i'm not trying to demean the great and admirable work each of those did, there are numerous other people (not so famous) that have stood up and not been "killed" or forced into a hoax.
i may be way off but if this group wanted to control us (whether blatantly or secretly) i'd assume that they'd try harder to prevent people from their awareness.
sorry! i just wanted to throw my opinion out there. i think these theories and ideas of why this happened are excellent. it's forcing us to not take things at face value (something michael tried to tell us for years and years and years and years!!!) we'll only know when he tells us. and damn, that's going to be one HELL of a story.
I understand that you realize I wasn't directly stating that my words of MJ being a freak was my opinion. I would like to clarify that now: Yes your absolutely right. That was not my thinking on that word at all. I do not think MJ is a freak. I think he is a genuis who has turned an ugly thing in his life full circle and is using it now for good.
What I was stating is that the whole take down of MJ and manipulating his image was a part of the Illuminati mind control process. Mind controlling him into believing he was Peter Pan was just another way for the Illuminati to turn his reputation into a freak show and thus make the public think he was a freak.
I haven't spoke much on this forum because I was researching alot of information on my own ( outside of this forum) about these very issues that are apart of the hoax and apart of our world.
Now that I have done extensive research and my eyes have been opened to the reality, I am now stating my beliefs.
I also would be considered a freak. If one was to know my whole life story and my lifestyle, you could very easily say that I am immoral and corrupt.
I truly believe in the theory of mind control and manipulation. I also truly believe in the DID theory. I not only believe it, I am a product of it.
I am not the byproduct of Monarch programming or MKULTRA or Illuminati programming. I am a product of child abuse, physical, mental, and emotional.
All of us posess the ability to seperate our mind and take it somewhere else when something horrific is happening to us. It is a natural thing that our mind does to protect us so we can continue to function.
I have been in many different situations where I was attacked and raped and my mind went somewhere else so I could not feel it in my soul. Only my body was present.
My mind had to seperate the terrible things so I could think rationally of how to survive the rapes and come out of them alive.
After some of those instances I went on to not only go back to what my job was but, did it the very same day or night.
I see many people here who doubt that the women who shared their stories couldn't be telling the truth. I am referring to the videos in this thread. Well, I have no doubt in my mind on how real their stories are.
I also know that many don't believe it would be possible for MJ to go on stage and perform right after a beating. Well, yes it is possible. I have done it myself.
I am not a celebrety so my life isn't in the spotlight and under a microscope but, I have had to play many characters. I get it.
I know that many here will also doubt my words and I am not here to convince anyone of my truth but, you ever hear of the Red light district? Since the age of 15 and I am now 41. If you understand what that term is then you will know what I am talking about.
Many on this forum are quick to discount these realities. That is apart of the mind control and the illusion of the Evil one ( the devils lies).
I am a spiritual person and I know that this isn't a flesh war. It is a spiritual war between good and evil.
I believe the reason that it is now becoming more open to the publics mind is because the truth will always outshine the lies.
Also hiding things in plain sight is easier to fool people. People think why would they do that and let it be known. It makes you confused and dissillusioned.
I understand that you realize I wasn't directly stating that my words of MJ being a freak was my opinion. I would like to clarify that now: Yes your absolutely right. That was not my thinking on that word at all. I do not think MJ is a freak. I think he is a genuis who has turned an ugly thing in his life full circle and is using it now for good.
What I was stating is that the whole take down of MJ and manipulating his image was a part of the Illuminati mind control process. Mind controlling him into believing he was Peter Pan was just another way for the Illuminati to turn his reputation into a freak show and thus make the public think he was a freak.
I haven't spoke much on this forum because I was researching alot of information on my own ( outside of this forum) about these very issues that are apart of the hoax and apart of our world.
Now that I have done extensive research and my eyes have been opened to the reality, I am now stating my beliefs.
I also would be considered a freak. If one was to know my whole life story and my lifestyle, you could very easily say that I am immoral and corrupt.
I truly believe in the theory of mind control and manipulation. I also truly believe in the DID theory. I not only believe it, I am a product of it.
I am not the byproduct of Monarch programming or MKULTRA or Illuminati programming. I am a product of child abuse, physical, mental, and emotional.
All of us posess the ability to seperate our mind and take it somewhere else when something horrific is happening to us. It is a natural thing that our mind does to protect us so we can continue to function.
I have been in many different situations where I was attacked and raped and my mind went somewhere else so I could not feel it in my soul. Only my body was present.
My mind had to seperate the terrible things so I could think rationally of how to survive the rapes and come out of them alive.
After some of those instances I went on to not only go back to what my job was but, did it the very same day or night.
I see many people here who doubt that the women who shared their stories couldn't be telling the truth. I am referring to the videos in this thread. Well, I have no doubt in my mind on how real their stories are.
I also know that many don't believe it would be possible for MJ to go on stage and perform right after a beating. Well, yes it is possible. I have done it myself.
I am not a celebrety so my life isn't in the spotlight and under a microscope but, I have had to play many characters. I get it.
I know that many here will also doubt my words and I am not here to convince anyone of my truth but, you ever hear of the Red light district? Since the age of 15 and I am now 41. If you understand what that term is then you will know what I am talking about.
Many on this forum are quick to discount these realities. That is apart of the mind control and the illusion of the Evil one ( the devils lies).
I am a spiritual person and I know that this isn't a flesh war. It is a spiritual war between good and evil.
I believe the reason that it is now becoming more open to the publics mind is because the truth will always outshine the lies.
Also hiding things in plain sight is easier to fool people. People think why would they do that and let it be known. It makes you confused and dissillusioned.
I hid many illegal acts in plain site.
Peace
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I don't doubt your words and your openess is heartwarming. I'm certain that there are many, many people who have experienced such trauma in their lives and thankfully people like you are showing great courage in sharing personal experiences in their lives. The mask is slowly being removed as those who have been victims are shedding light on the truth by baring their souls in innocence, whatever they've been controlled into doing. We don't always have freedom of choice, it becomes a matter of survival and we do what is necessary until we are strong enough to break free and talk, and fortunately we are now coming into a time where people's words are finally being heard and believed. Hopefully this will encourage others to speak out. Thank you <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I understand that you realize I wasn't directly stating that my words of MJ being a freak was my opinion. I would like to clarify that now: Yes your absolutely right. That was not my thinking on that word at all. I do not think MJ is a freak. I think he is a genuis who has turned an ugly thing in his life full circle and is using it now for good.
What I was stating is that the whole take down of MJ and manipulating his image was a part of the Illuminati mind control process. Mind controlling him into believing he was Peter Pan was just another way for the Illuminati to turn his reputation into a freak show and thus make the public think he was a freak.
I haven't spoke much on this forum because I was researching alot of information on my own ( outside of this forum) about these very issues that are apart of the hoax and apart of our world.
Now that I have done extensive research and my eyes have been opened to the reality, I am now stating my beliefs.
I also would be considered a freak. If one was to know my whole life story and my lifestyle, you could very easily say that I am immoral and corrupt.
I truly believe in the theory of mind control and manipulation. I also truly believe in the DID theory. I not only believe it, I am a product of it.
I am not the byproduct of Monarch programming or MKULTRA or Illuminati programming. I am a product of child abuse, physical, mental, and emotional.
All of us posess the ability to seperate our mind and take it somewhere else when something horrific is happening to us. It is a natural thing that our mind does to protect us so we can continue to function.
I have been in many different situations where I was attacked and raped and my mind went somewhere else so I could not feel it in my soul. Only my body was present.
My mind had to seperate the terrible things so I could think rationally of how to survive the rapes and come out of them alive.
After some of those instances I went on to not only go back to what my job was but, did it the very same day or night.
I see many people here who doubt that the women who shared their stories couldn't be telling the truth. I am referring to the videos in this thread. Well, I have no doubt in my mind on how real their stories are.
I also know that many don't believe it would be possible for MJ to go on stage and perform right after a beating. Well, yes it is possible. I have done it myself.
I am not a celebrety so my life isn't in the spotlight and under a microscope but, I have had to play many characters. I get it.
I know that many here will also doubt my words and I am not here to convince anyone of my truth but, you ever hear of the Red light district? Since the age of 15 and I am now 41. If you understand what that term is then you will know what I am talking about.
Many on this forum are quick to discount these realities. That is apart of the mind control and the illusion of the Evil one ( the devils lies).
I am a spiritual person and I know that this isn't a flesh war. It is a spiritual war between good and evil.
I believe the reason that it is now becoming more open to the publics mind is because the truth will always outshine the lies.
Also hiding things in plain sight is easier to fool people. People think why would they do that and let it be known. It makes you confused and dissillusioned.
I hid many illegal acts in plain site.
Peace
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I don't doubt your words and your openess is heartwarming. I'm certain that there are many, many people who have experienced such trauma in their lives and thankfully people like you are showing great courage in sharing personal experiences in their lives. The mask is slowly being removed as those who have been victims are shedding light on the truth by baring their souls in innocence, whatever they've been controlled into doing. We don't always have freedom of choice, it becomes a matter of survival and we do what is necessary until we are strong enough to break free and talk, and fortunately we are now coming into a time where people's words are finally being heard and believed. Hopefully this will encourage others to speak out. Thank you <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
thank you for this post. it is very enlightening and i'm grateful for your research. i am truly sorry you had to go that. i wish you nothing but happiness and love. god bless.
I understand that you realize I wasn't directly stating that my words of MJ being a freak was my opinion. I would like to clarify that now: Yes your absolutely right. That was not my thinking on that word at all. I do not think MJ is a freak. I think he is a genuis who has turned an ugly thing in his life full circle and is using it now for good.
What I was stating is that the whole take down of MJ and manipulating his image was a part of the Illuminati mind control process. Mind controlling him into believing he was Peter Pan was just another way for the Illuminati to turn his reputation into a freak show and thus make the public think he was a freak.
I haven't spoke much on this forum because I was researching alot of information on my own ( outside of this forum) about these very issues that are apart of the hoax and apart of our world.
Now that I have done extensive research and my eyes have been opened to the reality, I am now stating my beliefs.
I also would be considered a freak. If one was to know my whole life story and my lifestyle, you could very easily say that I am immoral and corrupt.
I truly believe in the theory of mind control and manipulation. I also truly believe in the DID theory. I not only believe it, I am a product of it.
I am not the byproduct of Monarch programming or MKULTRA or Illuminati programming. I am a product of child abuse, physical, mental, and emotional.
All of us posess the ability to seperate our mind and take it somewhere else when something horrific is happening to us. It is a natural thing that our mind does to protect us so we can continue to function.
I have been in many different situations where I was attacked and raped and my mind went somewhere else so I could not feel it in my soul. Only my body was present.
My mind had to seperate the terrible things so I could think rationally of how to survive the rapes and come out of them alive.
After some of those instances I went on to not only go back to what my job was but, did it the very same day or night.
I see many people here who doubt that the women who shared their stories couldn't be telling the truth. I am referring to the videos in this thread. Well, I have no doubt in my mind on how real their stories are.
I also know that many don't believe it would be possible for MJ to go on stage and perform right after a beating. Well, yes it is possible. I have done it myself.
I am not a celebrety so my life isn't in the spotlight and under a microscope but, I have had to play many characters. I get it.
I know that many here will also doubt my words and I am not here to convince anyone of my truth but, you ever hear of the Red light district? Since the age of 15 and I am now 41. If you understand what that term is then you will know what I am talking about.
Many on this forum are quick to discount these realities. That is apart of the mind control and the illusion of the Evil one ( the devils lies).
I am a spiritual person and I know that this isn't a flesh war. It is a spiritual war between good and evil.
I believe the reason that it is now becoming more open to the publics mind is because the truth will always outshine the lies.
Also hiding things in plain sight is easier to fool people. People think why would they do that and let it be known. It makes you confused and dissillusioned.
I hid many illegal acts in plain site.
Peace
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I loved your post. I too believe the mind control business is on a much broader scale than anyone imagines--just more subtle and even enlisting the victims eager cooperation as they accomplish this. None of us is out of their plans. The thing is, they move very slowly most of the time and it is not always detectible that something was done....
I especially liked that you get it that this is a spiritual warfare. Evil men/puppets being used by devils to crotch-grab at God..You are WAY ahead "in the game" (figure of speech; of course it's not a game)with just that piece to play!
BTW, You speak very genteel-ly (if that could be a word) for someone who, so young became familiar with the harsh unforgiving realities of a red light district. I bought the cutest house there, in my own town, where I now live and I've seen, heard and know things I had NO concept of before this and I was 34 then!! The gals are so "under-developed", I mean personally, and seem to be actually totally disinterested in becoming more, just killing their pain with chemicals, so, YOU are doing alright! I find you to be very savvy and articulate. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
I don't say these things to disparage the gals in my neighborhood; it is just so sad to me to see anyone trapped in inertia, for ANY reason. It was just to tell you that's what I experienced, there, and you appear to be so different. I apologize if it seems prejudicial. I am still ignorant on some subjects, despite ever learning. There are some things you can't know unless you were IN it.
Thank you for sharing some of yourself, here. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I am sorry you had so much heartache in your life. You must be very specially equipped for some destiny here by God, to have raised such a red flag to so many devils---but then, look at MJ...They have deep hatred for anyone doing good, or anyone who has been gifted for doing something really dangerous to their little kingdom. Have you discovered your gift(s)? Are you blooming and shining out, somehow, now, ruining their PUTRID little rat's nest, as they tried to do to you?? I pray you are! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I don't know if you meant one of my posts, when you said this, what I underlined, where I quoted you, above, but I don't remember anyone else saying anything like it, so I wish to tell you that I DO agree with you that MANY many people have gotten back up and done even monstrously hard labor after being badly beaten---just ask anyone who has had relatives who were slaves here in the good old (yeah...)usa...But I said and intended to mean that the victim of adult to child sodomy cannot and does not typically get up and dance as usual, even for TV--- doesn't matter how threatened or what is at stake. IF they COULD walk or run away somewhere, after such a thing, they WOULD.
Hi to you all who have responded to my post with open eyes and love. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Thank you..
First I would like to say that the only reason I opened up like I did was because I felt it was necessary for people to realize that this does happen and a person like myself is on this forum.
I basically was giving a different perspective to the mind control aspect. The ladies in the videos aren't here on the forum to speak so I did.
I appreciate the responses and understanding. Please do not feel sorry for me. I am not a victim. I am a strong survivor. I also wasn't looking to gain any sympathy.
This is to Its her,
I wasn't necessarily directing my comment to you when I said it is possible to get up and perform after a beating. I was just putting it out there for all to see.
And I left out the sodomy on purpose. But, once again yes, it is possible. As aweful as it may seem to think about. Humans and especially children have great strength and resilence.
I understand what you mean about the girl's in the Red light district. I haven't always been this smart, LOL. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
It takes for God to snatch you out of the fires of hell to get to where I am now.
As for my gifts and what I am supposed to be used for by God, well I have been wondering this for a long time also. I still wonder. But, perhaps I just was used a little when I made my statement here, <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Hi to you all who have responded to my post with open eyes and love. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Thank you..
First I would like to say that the only reason I opened up like I did was because I felt it was necessary for people to realize that this does happen and a person like myself is on this forum.
I basically was giving a different perspective to the mind control aspect. The ladies in the videos aren't here on the forum to speak so I did.
I appreciate the responses and understanding. Please do not feel sorry for me. I am not a victim. I am a strong survivor.
@ I also wasn't looking to gain any sympathy.
This is to Its her,
I wasn't necessarily directing my comment to you when I said it is possible to get up and perform after a beating. I was just putting it out there for all to see.
And I left out the sodomy on purpose. But, once again yes, it is possible. As aweful as it may seem to think about. Humans and especially children have great strength and resilence.
I understand what you mean about the girl's in the Red light district. I haven't always been this smart, LOL. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
@ It takes for God to snatch you out of the fires of hell to get to where I am now.
@ As for my gifts and what I am supposed to be used for by God, well I have been wondering this for a long time also. I still wonder. But, perhaps I just was used a little when I made my statement here, <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
@ I pray for all of the world to be healed.
Peace
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First, I am on a funky over-secure computer which is set so anally it won't let me use any enhancements to my text, except ones I know code to, Grrrr. I can't even underline anything. But, anyway,
I could TELL you weren't looking for sympathy; you have a self-respect about you which comes through your posts. It is strangely calming even as you speak about creepy things.
Perhaps counselling is your gift! Not as a profession--but as a "Listening Ear" or even mentoring type capacity, some cities or women's organizations, or ministries have. We have too many so called "doctors" cluelessly, arrogantly messing with peoples' heads, and the core of their beings, their hearts. Personal testimony is the only thing which cannot be refuted. It is killer, as far as helping someone else out. Maybe there are many websites also, to shine your light in. ( Get alone, and ASK the Lord! He will show you **right away**!, just as He led you to speak here!)
Praise the Living God, for snatching YOU out of this, as you said. And you were and ARE probably instrumentally utilized way more than you'll ever know, here, in your comments on the WWW(!) and other places in your local sphere, to provoke thought (and **hope**--THAT's Bible!) in others, and with your last line here, to PRAY for healing everywhere. I have definitely joined you, there <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Certain things (mind control among them) are RIPE for conspiracy theories - but I believe we should be careful with the things we allege about Michael, so that we don't start doing what the media do: make up stuff. I do NOT believe that Michael was ever "programmed" (MK Ultra-ed) or sexually abused/sodomized.
Some things to consider:
#1. Brice Taylor's account is just 1 account... For all we know, she could have mental issues. It's a fact that some women that MJ doesn't know claim to have been married to him and had his babies.
#2. False memories can be created in people. Remember the "truth serum" discussed in Jordie Chandler's case?
#3. "Programming" usually requires a controlled/isolated environment. This is why experiments and mind control are most often conducted on POWs, soldiers, mentally ill (hospitalized) people etc. Michael was never imprisoned anywhere, as far as I know.
#4. Michael hinted at a lot of things in his songs/speeches/interviews... pretty much everything that bothered him: lost childhood, Joe's whippings, Sony, Mottola, etc. Had he endured horrific sexual abuse, don't you think he'd have created some angry songs lashing out at the industry? Rihanna and Eminem, for instance, have hinted at some shady stuff going on in the "biz", but Michael never really did. And I don't believe that he'd have no recollection of certain traumatic incidents, especially if they were repeated incidents! And if he remembered, Joe's whippings would PALE in comparison...
#5. If Joe sold Michael as a "sex slave", would Michael live at home, with his parents, till age 28 or so? And wouldn't he keep more of a distance from Joe in time?
#6. When someone suffers sexual abuse as a kid, the light goes out of them. I only saw the light go out of Michael (and even then not completely) in the late 1990s or early 2000s... and more so after 2005.
Finally:
#7. Programmed individuals go through some serious shit: memory loss (amnesia), incoherence, confusion, forgetting how to talk, forgetting people etc. Michael was a busy and active man for his entire life, and you didn't see him spend a lot of time in rehab... He was NOT messed up. Here's the timeline of his life, just to see how much this man did and accomplished:
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It would take much more than a woman's story to make me believe that MJ endured sexual abuse or "programming"... JMO. This is highly disturbing stuff and I feel we shouldn't hypothesize in the absence of serious evidence.
Just one more thing:
I think we tend to forget just how ACTIVE/BUSY MJ was:
LOTS of traveling, lots of business meetings, lots of depositions to attend for various lawsuits (do we even remember or speak of the Marcel Avram lawsuit?)... Not to mention all the rehearsals, concerts, performances and world tours. Changing time zones frequently can easily mess one up, in a variety of ways. And if MJ suffered from insomnia on top of that, it could easily explain his being "out of it" on those occasions when he was. He may have been exhausted, dehydrated, mentally or emotionally drained etc. Drugs or mind control are not the only explanation.
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I dont know who the children were...but Michael expected them and closed himself up in the toilet..he was scared....wasnt it in 1984?
What she had at home were mirrors...mirrors...her psychiatry told her to do so...he was called "Mr. Green one day and the other Mr. Blue"..(some M. quotes from memoirs)...
Man in the mirror has some disturbing elements for me..it reminds me always of Snowwhite..her second mom always asked the mirror who the beautifullest woman was on earth...brainwash from the Grimm brothers..
Sorry to some of you if you dont get my point..i am thinking in different ways at the same time with coming with much more possibilities.....
Yikes! Souza—we can’t have you jumping out of your panties! I’m sorry—I tried to post last week and it got vaporized as I submitted it---I guess I timed out or something, because it asked me to login, too, when I was. I was coming down with something nasty which dropped me 4 days--so I didn’t retry, then, but I did want to respond…
Let me just clear this up also, as I believe Mo questioned something I said, not certain what exactly, but, I believe we ARE on the same side as far as this being a real practice.They used to call this the casting couch, and wanted people to believe it was only happening to women.
I just said that the facts as presented by the woman who wrote that book are not the truth, exactly. Victims would be in no condition to get up and dance right after this horror. There are injuries. Vomiting. Hysterics. And NO righteously fed up self respecting Black man in the 1960s will permit his sons to pay THAT price for fame and fortune. NO. <!-- s:x -->:x<!-- s:x -->
There IS child rape, both for secret initiation, religious cult purposes for perverse sport or predatory kicks. I read reports every day about the victims and the twisted "Fs" who do their own little boys. This did not happen as the woman said, and further, I believe MJ's personality changed far later in life than this---after or during the filming of his "Moonwalker". But NOT saying what happened was anything sexual or humiliating. I'm not comfortable gossiping about his sex life --just that I don't believe MJ was ever raped.
Joseph Jackson gives a lot of people the creeps, right now. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> From my purposeful perspective, that’s the official story, and they (the Jackson clan) are stickin’ to it. I know it seems like a stretch---because he’s so convincing, but I really believe he was commissioned by the Master “MJician”, himself for this role in the HOAX. Just listen for a minute and see if you can see how this could be at all.
Despite everything we’ve heard of the physical abuse, the older siblings say that they would never say Michael was lying, but they said his tender perspective was skewed, and what he was experiencing was just the “old school” discipline they ALL got—tough but not child abuse.
Yes, they hated it, and couldn’t wait to jump ship from where “Joseph” ruled his domain with an iron fist, but even the girls said it was just a different generation; a different era; a different child rearing methodology for behaviour modification. I think Michael’s high IQ couldn’t make ANY sense of such heavy-handedness from his young point of view---he had NO concept of his dad’s EQ---the emotional quotient saturated with the holy terror that probably dogged their dad all the time they were in Gary---about the crap shoot of a future of all those babies. Fear can make you mean.
My own family life supports this as true. We were hit with whatever, a leather strap (until it “disappeared” <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ), a hair brush. Mostly a special whipping switch of our own choosing from the backyard tree, with the added benefit of being able to contribute to and anticipate the “learning experience” with desperate, darting thoughts and pre-strike sobbing.
It was just another generation’s mindset on discipline. My dad’s favourite saying while he was driving, to shout into the back seat at us, when I was about 7, was, “Do you want a broken arm?” I would see kids at school in casts and surmise they had been bad. <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: -->
Over the top? Yes. (Archaic? Yes, for 7,000 years) but none of us died, and we didn’t get hit for something we couldn’t help---like missing dance steps---but, then, we didn’t have the same potential choice of futures , either!!
I don’t support hitting little people.
Sometimes mean big people need a good slap, but that’s not my job, either. I’m simply explaining the firsthand experience. My parents didn’t leave marks on us. It was more hurtful to one’s feelings than flesh.
My wild 13 year old sister actually ASKED for the “rope”, many times instead of being grounded all week for sneaking out at night. My cousins got “forked” when they were “bad”. Every family of that era had SOME violent “treatment” to curb rebellion. Heck, at school they hit us with rulers! And a small minded nun slapped my face for writing my name in red crayon on my homework. Kids know which end is up, and are more resilient than people think. Sometimes, learning about how those in power can be unbalanced and dangerous, is a valuable lesson.
With regard to the latest from MJ’s own lips about being oiled naked, and whipped…none of us was there, and I submit to you that neither Joseph nor MJ was there, either! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
We are talking about a very frightening subject; mind control and programming, and these very vivid movies could have been PLANTED in MJ’s mind at any time, after he first appeared on some puppetmaster’s radar, could they not? All or none of what he’s said over the years could be real! He’s said it himself: if you hear a lie enough, it becomes real to you.
Lives have been ruined just by allowing children to be talked into beliefs by the family shrink. NEVER leave your child alone with a head doctor—even if the interview is court ordered.
We all know what happens to your reality when you are sleep deprived. The average teenager knows more now than doctors knew in the 60s. Aside from exposing the kids to riff-raff, drunks and naked ladies prematurely, Joe didn’t know any better when he was waking his boys up, mid-sleep-cycle and carting them all over the place like trick animals. Who knows what nightmares were interrupted and filed away as true events, just because of the way the fatigued brain tries to MAKE things work, when they don’t?
And---think about this---this may be why MJ keeps saying that the music makes him do things—touch himself way more than he realized he ever did it. He’s been programmed to dance very “hands-on” very unconsciously, INADVERTENTLY while he was in that OPEN alpha–state, beholding squirming “ladies” drawing attention to the goods, themselves, to resounding hoots and hollers.
I think he did it for years innocently, where all he COULD do was “hum along and dance” to that piper. It was SO ingrained as natural, that even though he was alone having no one to talk to about this, he held his ground, stubbornly and with much confusion and anxiety, as his church elders tried to make him feel dirty about it. They didn’t mind receiving his money, as long as they were permitted to bend his mind. Just because it isn’t called “Programming” or “mind control”, does not mean it isn’t.
IMHO, twisted philosophies do far more damage to someone than corporal punishment.
If my dad had stripped me down, oiled me and whipped ME, I would have left home at 8, or made a blithering idiot out of him as he slept!!!!!!!!!! NO, no- no- no. I would have made that situation safe for myself, somehow or other.
MJ lived at home, in that situation, until his 30s. What is wrong with this picture? Even MJ has leaked things to the press which are contrived for effect, and only about 2/3 of all the stuff in even good books is remotely true about him.
I think that Michael himself doubts his own recollection of a lot of things. I’ve heard him say at least twice, that he can’t believe Joseph is the same man who raised him like a tyrant. He said he’s just as gentle and sweet with 25 years of grandkids as any sweet old grandpa. Ditto, in my house, too. A- MAZING!
Even though he sounded wistful, wondering WHY oh WHY this nice guy wasn’t HIS dad, when they were younger, he didn’t seem to harbor ill will. And, he DOESN'T harbor ill will.
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This might seem impossible to accept, but he actually loves his dad, and his dad has always loved him. Joseph knew what was really happening during the molestation trial. He was helplessly TERRIFIED for Michael.
So…NOW he gets to be a player in this hoax! Does anyone remember how the J 5’s dad and mom were in the 70s? He cleans up NICE. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> I’ve seen interviews and family movies, where Joe and Katherine present quite <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: --> the united front: in love with each other, and proud of their large family of talent. Imagine! Loosely quoting Mr. Spock, “A civilized man is able to pass for a Barbarian, but a Barbarian hasn’t the where withal to assume the persona of that which he has no concept”
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I’m telling you, this persona he has adopted is a contrivance!! <!-- s
and refers to him as his Brand Name instead of his first name---always.
He is a planted distraction, a misdirection, so Michael can move around undetected. Every so often someone in the family appears newsworthy, and sometimes it is HIS turn! His antics are nothing to be angry about---he is a character! He’s funny, and I think he is going for it! Look at him good , next time he comes out to play!! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
Controversies make those Jacksons newsworthy, like NONE of their charitable endeavors have.
The very LAST thing Michael Jackson, King of Pop needs right now, is to be out of sight, out of mind! <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> <!-- s:| -->:|<!-- s:| -->
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MJ himself, forgiver and lover extraordinaire has briefed “Daddy” specifically on what his role of distraction is to be, and he plays it to the hilt! You know…it could be the
last big showbiz performance in the guys life—he’s 80ish—and it just makes Michael’s kind heart shine so much more to be so inclusive , “after all”, with “Papa Joe” in his Greatest Show On Earth.
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At first, I was just willing to give Joe the benefit of the doubt, but I’ve seen too much, now. The family doesn’t treat him privately as they do publicly! He’s FAKE taking it on the chin for Mikey to fly high with this extravaganza, behind the scenes…. Joseph IS one of the Jackson Players! I probably haven't changed your mind....but I hope you'll at least take another look at Joe when he's acting up. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
These kids were the offspring of White House staff, who heard MJ was going to be at their Dad/ Mom's work, and asked if they could be present, or MJ himself inquired as to whether kids would be there for this award he was receiving... I mean, really---what's the point of your parents having a job rubbing elbows with the president and his staff, if they don't even bring you to work when MICHAEL JACKSON visits???!!
Everybody kind of shooed them out of the way, and since MJ had been told there would be kids there to meet him, and they were NO where to be found, he flipped out! <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> Politicians are known liars and assassins. Maybe that was the wrong word...but, SOMEthing really spooked him so bad, that when they PROMISED him they'd go round up the kids, he STILL wouldn't come out until they promised that ALL the adults would leave the room, too!! He could have been spooked about ole Nancy, who was known to have dabbled in the occult---he was still with the church, then....who knows?
I can't remember where I read this--I believe about 2/3 of the story. MJ fears only one thing that I've ever "witnessed" or read about, and this situation was not it. I don't think he was afraid of the adults---I think <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> he was giving them a magic "treatment " for jerking him around! He Poof! made all the adults disappear! <!-- s
I LOVE your observation (amongst other thoughts, herein) about MJ having learned to resist being shoved off balance!! I LOVE that about him---he's SOOOO strong! I never met or observed ANYone SO "centered" as you say, and SO confident. I know some strong people---but they waver on occasion. It's hit or miss.
He NEVER expresses self doubt EVER. EVER. NEVER.
I thought, maybe that THAT was something programmed into him at Disney, somehow---as a "fail-safe" directive to continual success--because it's just not natural to have this attribute. We are taught so, SO young, to doubt ourselves, compare ourselves, or be compared to others, etc., and as you said, we are placed under the thumbs of authority/control with degrading methods
HOW do you think MJ learned this? [This "skill" of his has mezmerized me since I first caught him doing this as a youth!] He fears nothing (he may show respect to people of note , but he mentally kowtows to NO one).
He never explains the how--just says to do it: believe in yourself, don't let anyone turn you around, etc. WHAT makes it stick?? Or, in other words, HOW did he DE-program all the BS laid down before one can even talk back, so that he's not constantly fighting it??
He intrigues me to no end--just about THIS--forget all the cuteness and talent and gifts that I love. I want to know THIS trick!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean how to make it stick, always. Does anyone know a place where he has SAID how he became SO resistant to everything from outside?
[I would teach this to every person in my path if it was teachable----HINT: Yet another reason MJ MUST come back! Maybe he actually has a PLAN to accomplish MASSIVE de-programming, eh? THAT would be all for LOVE!! And---it would be "the greatest demonstration of FREEDOM in history"....]
I know it has something to do with him always posing with his arms out--it's almost as if he's DARING something to try to rattle him, showing IT that he is unbreakable...but, where did he get this? He does this **ALL** the time, as if he's trying to envelop the entire world in his embrace, or as if he's been programmed to acknowledge that he's going for, or HAS accomplished another dream!
He's so cool, I almost can't stand the suspense! And thank you for provoking alot of thoughts!
The fact that the USA govt. has been using the MKULTRA mind control programming on ALL of us for as long as they have is the very reason many people can't see the TRUTH!
I believe very strongly in my soul that yes MJ was MIND CONTROLLED! And the ultimate level of that MIND CONTROL is THE ILLUMINATI and the way they program children and then cont. to do so as the children grow up into adulthood.
What was supposed to be innocent fun fantasy from Disney in my childhood has become a horrific reality of the most horrendous abuse on our societies minds.
They took my innocent child hood memories that I had. Now I see how they have corrupted many youth and adults into still believing in the fantasy.
I realize that fantasy is just that, fantasy.
Many people have blurred the lines of fantasy into reality in their own lives as a way to escape it. Their lives.
I never bought into the Peter Pan character of MJ because to me it is just that a fantasy. Yet the Illuminati used it as a way to manipulate MJ and turn him into a freak.
The character fantasy manipulation of Peter Pan has cont. to manipulate many fans of MJ's to think he is Peter Pan and they ( fans) are Wendy. Or Tinkerbell.
I'm highly upset at the reality of these fans who cont. to refer to themselves in that way.
Or when they cont. to feed the corrupt image of MJ as Peter Pan.
I for one will never say to him "your my peter pan, can I be your wendy?"
That to me keeps the cycle of abuse going.
I am sure MJ is aware of what has happened and now he is using the bad for good.
I have another opinion about who is trying to cont. to exploit MJ with this mind control of Peter Pan but, I refrain at the moment from saying a name.
After spending hours reading on the MKULTRA and how they traffic children and use them for programs I am sickened to this reality.
I am sickened to read how right under my nose here in Portland, OR at the train station is an underground tunnel system to traffic children into the MKULTRA program.
I have a 16 year old daughter and I do share the very harse reality with her about this very stuff. Of course I keep some things from her. Like the torture of the children. But, if I don't tell her who will?
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Many parents need to inform the children so it doesn't happen to them.
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secondly, i dont know if i buy into this whole illuminati thing. i'm going to admit (so please don't get defensive) that i dont know much about it. it all seems really confusing to me. i know mind control has been used in governments across the world...but what is hard for me to grasp is that, if they try to mind control us, how come we're questioning it? i kinda think the fact that we're aware of such a thing and more people are starting to not buy into the media and its completely sensationalized and biased stories in a way proves this 'mind control' isn't really working per say.
i mean, i have to think about all the people throughout history (not just America's- but the world's) who have questioned and gone against what mainstream media was saying. I have heard of the stories where this mind control group was (perhaps) behind the deaths of the great legends of Martin Luther King Jr, JFK and Lennon. And while i'm not trying to demean the great and admirable work each of those did, there are numerous other people (not so famous) that have stood up and not been "killed" or forced into a hoax.
i may be way off but if this group wanted to control us (whether blatantly or secretly) i'd assume that they'd try harder to prevent people from their awareness.
sorry! i just wanted to throw my opinion out there. i think these theories and ideas of why this happened are excellent. it's forcing us to not take things at face value (something michael tried to tell us for years and years and years and years!!!) we'll only know when he tells us. and damn, that's going to be one HELL of a story.
I understand that you realize I wasn't directly stating that my words of MJ being a freak was my opinion. I would like to clarify that now: Yes your absolutely right. That was not my thinking on that word at all. I do not think MJ is a freak. I think he is a genuis who has turned an ugly thing in his life full circle and is using it now for good.
What I was stating is that the whole take down of MJ and manipulating his image was a part of the Illuminati mind control process. Mind controlling him into believing he was Peter Pan was just another way for the Illuminati to turn his reputation into a freak show and thus make the public think he was a freak.
I haven't spoke much on this forum because I was researching alot of information on my own ( outside of this forum) about these very issues that are apart of the hoax and apart of our world.
Now that I have done extensive research and my eyes have been opened to the reality, I am now stating my beliefs.
I also would be considered a freak. If one was to know my whole life story and my lifestyle, you could very easily say that I am immoral and corrupt.
I truly believe in the theory of mind control and manipulation. I also truly believe in the DID theory. I not only believe it, I am a product of it.
I am not the byproduct of Monarch programming or MKULTRA or Illuminati programming. I am a product of child abuse, physical, mental, and emotional.
All of us posess the ability to seperate our mind and take it somewhere else when something horrific is happening to us. It is a natural thing that our mind does to protect us so we can continue to function.
I have been in many different situations where I was attacked and raped and my mind went somewhere else so I could not feel it in my soul. Only my body was present.
My mind had to seperate the terrible things so I could think rationally of how to survive the rapes and come out of them alive.
After some of those instances I went on to not only go back to what my job was but, did it the very same day or night.
I see many people here who doubt that the women who shared their stories couldn't be telling the truth. I am referring to the videos in this thread. Well, I have no doubt in my mind on how real their stories are.
I also know that many don't believe it would be possible for MJ to go on stage and perform right after a beating. Well, yes it is possible. I have done it myself.
I am not a celebrety so my life isn't in the spotlight and under a microscope but, I have had to play many characters. I get it.
I know that many here will also doubt my words and I am not here to convince anyone of my truth but, you ever hear of the Red light district? Since the age of 15 and I am now 41. If you understand what that term is then you will know what I am talking about.
Many on this forum are quick to discount these realities. That is apart of the mind control and the illusion of the Evil one ( the devils lies).
I am a spiritual person and I know that this isn't a flesh war. It is a spiritual war between good and evil.
I believe the reason that it is now becoming more open to the publics mind is because the truth will always outshine the lies.
Also hiding things in plain sight is easier to fool people. People think why would they do that and let it be known. It makes you confused and dissillusioned.
I hid many illegal acts in plain site.
Peace
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I don't doubt your words and your openess is heartwarming. I'm certain that there are many, many people who have experienced such trauma in their lives and thankfully people like you are showing great courage in sharing personal experiences in their lives. The mask is slowly being removed as those who have been victims are shedding light on the truth by baring their souls in innocence, whatever they've been controlled into doing. We don't always have freedom of choice, it becomes a matter of survival and we do what is necessary until we are strong enough to break free and talk, and fortunately we are now coming into a time where people's words are finally being heard and believed. Hopefully this will encourage others to speak out. Thank you <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
thank you for this post. it is very enlightening and i'm grateful for your research. i am truly sorry you had to go that. i wish you nothing but happiness and love. god bless.
I loved your post. I too believe the mind control business is on a much broader scale than anyone imagines--just more subtle and even enlisting the victims eager cooperation as they accomplish this. None of us is out of their plans. The thing is, they move very slowly most of the time and it is not always detectible that something was done....
I especially liked that you get it that this is a spiritual warfare. Evil men/puppets being used by devils to crotch-grab at God..You are WAY ahead "in the game" (figure of speech; of course it's not a game)with just that piece to play!
BTW, You speak very genteel-ly (if that could be a word) for someone who, so young became familiar with the harsh unforgiving realities of a red light district. I bought the cutest house there, in my own town, where I now live and I've seen, heard and know things I had NO concept of before this and I was 34 then!! The gals are so "under-developed", I mean personally, and seem to be actually totally disinterested in becoming more, just killing their pain with chemicals, so, YOU are doing alright! I find you to be very savvy and articulate. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
I don't say these things to disparage the gals in my neighborhood; it is just so sad to me to see anyone trapped in inertia, for ANY reason. It was just to tell you that's what I experienced, there, and you appear to be so different. I apologize if it seems prejudicial. I am still ignorant on some subjects, despite ever learning. There are some things you can't know unless you were IN it.
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I am sorry you had so much heartache in your life. You must be very specially equipped for some destiny here by God, to have raised such a red flag to so many devils---but then, look at MJ...They have deep hatred for anyone doing good, or anyone who has been gifted for doing something really dangerous to their little kingdom. Have you discovered your gift(s)? Are you blooming and shining out, somehow, now, ruining their PUTRID little rat's nest, as they tried to do to you?? I pray you are! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I don't know if you meant one of my posts, when you said this, what I underlined, where I quoted you, above, but I don't remember anyone else saying anything like it, so I wish to tell you that I DO agree with you that MANY many people have gotten back up and done even monstrously hard labor after being badly beaten---just ask anyone who has had relatives who were slaves here in the good old (yeah...)usa...But I said and intended to mean that the victim of adult to child sodomy cannot and does not typically get up and dance as usual, even for TV--- doesn't matter how threatened or what is at stake. IF they COULD walk or run away somewhere, after such a thing, they WOULD.
Thank you..
First I would like to say that the only reason I opened up like I did was because I felt it was necessary for people to realize that this does happen and a person like myself is on this forum.
I basically was giving a different perspective to the mind control aspect. The ladies in the videos aren't here on the forum to speak so I did.
I appreciate the responses and understanding. Please do not feel sorry for me. I am not a victim. I am a strong survivor. I also wasn't looking to gain any sympathy.
This is to Its her,
I wasn't necessarily directing my comment to you when I said it is possible to get up and perform after a beating. I was just putting it out there for all to see.
And I left out the sodomy on purpose. But, once again yes, it is possible. As aweful as it may seem to think about. Humans and especially children have great strength and resilence.
I understand what you mean about the girl's in the Red light district. I haven't always been this smart, LOL. <!-- s
It takes for God to snatch you out of the fires of hell to get to where I am now.
As for my gifts and what I am supposed to be used for by God, well I have been wondering this for a long time also. I still wonder. But, perhaps I just was used a little when I made my statement here, <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I pray for all of the world to be healed.
Peace
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First, I am on a funky over-secure computer which is set so anally it won't let me use any enhancements to my text, except ones I know code to, Grrrr. I can't even underline anything. But, anyway,
I could TELL you weren't looking for sympathy; you have a self-respect about you which comes through your posts. It is strangely calming even as you speak about creepy things.
Perhaps counselling is your gift! Not as a profession--but as a "Listening Ear" or even mentoring type capacity, some cities or women's organizations, or ministries have. We have too many so called "doctors" cluelessly, arrogantly messing with peoples' heads, and the core of their beings, their hearts. Personal testimony is the only thing which cannot be refuted. It is killer, as far as helping someone else out. Maybe there are many websites also, to shine your light in. ( Get alone, and ASK the Lord! He will show you **right away**!, just as He led you to speak here!)
Praise the Living God, for snatching YOU out of this, as you said. And you were and ARE probably instrumentally utilized way more than you'll ever know, here, in your comments on the WWW(!) and other places in your local sphere, to provoke thought (and **hope**--THAT's Bible!) in others, and with your last line here, to PRAY for healing everywhere. I have definitely joined you, there <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Some things to consider:
#1. Brice Taylor's account is just 1 account... For all we know, she could have mental issues. It's a fact that some women that MJ doesn't know claim to have been married to him and had his babies.
#2. False memories can be created in people. Remember the "truth serum" discussed in Jordie Chandler's case?
#3. "Programming" usually requires a controlled/isolated environment. This is why experiments and mind control are most often conducted on POWs, soldiers, mentally ill (hospitalized) people etc. Michael was never imprisoned anywhere, as far as I know.
#4. Michael hinted at a lot of things in his songs/speeches/interviews... pretty much everything that bothered him: lost childhood, Joe's whippings, Sony, Mottola, etc. Had he endured horrific sexual abuse, don't you think he'd have created some angry songs lashing out at the industry? Rihanna and Eminem, for instance, have hinted at some shady stuff going on in the "biz", but Michael never really did. And I don't believe that he'd have no recollection of certain traumatic incidents, especially if they were repeated incidents! And if he remembered, Joe's whippings would PALE in comparison...
#5. If Joe sold Michael as a "sex slave", would Michael live at home, with his parents, till age 28 or so? And wouldn't he keep more of a distance from Joe in time?
#6. When someone suffers sexual abuse as a kid, the light goes out of them. I only saw the light go out of Michael (and even then not completely) in the late 1990s or early 2000s... and more so after 2005.
Finally:
#7. Programmed individuals go through some serious shit: memory loss (amnesia), incoherence, confusion, forgetting how to talk, forgetting people etc. Michael was a busy and active man for his entire life, and you didn't see him spend a lot of time in rehab... He was NOT messed up. Here's the timeline of his life, just to see how much this man did and accomplished:
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It would take much more than a woman's story to make me believe that MJ endured sexual abuse or "programming"... JMO. This is highly disturbing stuff and I feel we shouldn't hypothesize in the absence of serious evidence.
I think we tend to forget just how ACTIVE/BUSY MJ was:
LOTS of traveling, lots of business meetings, lots of depositions to attend for various lawsuits (do we even remember or speak of the Marcel Avram lawsuit?)... Not to mention all the rehearsals, concerts, performances and world tours. Changing time zones frequently can easily mess one up, in a variety of ways. And if MJ suffered from insomnia on top of that, it could easily explain his being "out of it" on those occasions when he was. He may have been exhausted, dehydrated, mentally or emotionally drained etc. Drugs or mind control are not the only explanation.
I refer you again to this timeline (which doesn't even include everything):
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