<br />Ok I dont get it then, sorry. Why are we even bothering. If we are all just waiting for BAM, then lets just <br />wait. Dont bother trying to work out if he was the 02 guy, dont bother wondering if it was him in the helicopter, dont bother trying to find out if it was him on the autopsy pic, dont worry if he was hat man, dave dave, blonde hair lady. Lets just wait and see what happens. Why are we even wondering or trying to work out where he is if we dont really care. I mean we care if he is alive and well and happy. But we all believe he is alive, so thats the main thing, so lets just wait. If we dont want to know where he is WHY are we talking about it on here!<br />
<br /><br />Because those of us who've seen him, want to reassure the others, he's for real. We won't tell anyone exactly where, to keep his security up. I came onto this board, because I had news of an actual citing of him, via a friend of mine. I placed it between San Diego and Carlsbad, to protect him - in case any of his enemies were reading this board, they most certainly couldn't pinpoint him, because it would place him between the 5, 8, 805, 15, 91, 405, 101 freeways to locate him - perhaps as deep inland, as Temecula, Lake Elsinore, or even San Bernadino. THAT is why I gave those general outlines of cities: literally looking for a needle in a haystack!<br /><br />I've had enough stalkers, myself, to last a lifetime, myself. And THIS ALL is why I won't ever divulge any specifics about Michael, other than he lives.<br /><br />I care, because I know what it's like to have few people you can trust. I know what it's like to be on top of the world, and people pretend to be your friend, and ride your gravy train with you - and then disappear, when they think you have nothing. Fair weather friends, and as far as I'm concerned, those types should burn in HELL because they move from one victim, to another, simply taking the scraps from "the dinner plate" like dogs.<br /><br />Because when you're at your lowest, is when you need people you can trust. What I've been through. Only when you're perceived as broke? That's when you find your real friends - not ones out of pity, either. Ones who are true blue, good of heart, etc.<br /><br />Just because you are smart or MENSA status, doesn't mean you're prepared for every single move by a snake. I learned the hard way. At least those people are gone, along with the money.<br /><br />I've only seen money as a tool to get what you need; not build your life around it. I've wanted/needed only a few things in my life, and my mistake was having a snake watch my back - they don't; they eat you ALIVE.<br /><br />
@MJonmind.... you are soooooooo lucky girl! I wish I could hug Michael the way you hugged him! :over-react-smiley:<br /><br />@Annieareyou.... we are here to look for clues and hints and to connect dots since Michael pull this hoax out to be unfolded by all of us, isn't it? I don't think we are disturbing him, the other way around we are honoring him, IMHO :moonwalk_:
Hey everyone! Thank you all so much for your feedback! I really appreciate all of your opinions and I'm so glad I told you all about my visit! I honestly love all of you here. Every time I post a thread or reply to a post, you guys always give me great, honest, positive feedback. I feel like I can share anything with you guys so thank you! <br /><br />@MJOnMind: I definitely understand what you're getting at when you talk about humor and how the guard may know how to deal with all types of fans. However, this was not in any way a joke. I'm a 17 year old girl with plenty of friends and family members with dry, sarcastic humor. It's very easy to tell if someone is joking or not. However, this time at Neverland wasn't a joke. I was wearing sunglasses and my head was down when the man said that Michael should come out and see my necklace. But, my eyes were aimed up at his face - and the look on that guard's face after he said it was like, "Omg, what did I just say?". I also find it odd that right after he said that, he went inside the building inside the gates and never showed himself again until after I left the property. There's a reason for that. If it was a joke, I think he would have continued to show himself and speak to me. Also, I never said that I was a full-out BeLIEver. I just said that it feels like he's still here. I never said I was sure. It's like when someone loses a loved one and they say "He's still here with us", so I don't think he knew for certain that I was a beLIEver. But, honestly, it was just one of those "you had to be there" moments to really realize that no one was joking, not even in the slightest. But thanks sooo much for replying. <br /><br />@Tink: Thanks so much for replying! The Mexican Man was definitely inches taller than me. I am 5'2, so my best guess for the Mexican Man's height would be about 5'9. As far as I know, that is the only picture that I have of him, I wish I had more. But, just in case, I will look through my album again and see if I caught a glimpse of him in any others pictures. Also, Tink, I am very interested in hearing about your friend's sighting of Michael! Did you post a thread about it? If so, would you mind giving me the link?<br /><br />Oh, and for those of you wanting to see my necklace - it's actually getting fixed right now! It broke last week. I was carrying my dog and his paw got stuck in it, ripped it off my neck, and broke the chain! It's been at the store for a week now so once it's fixed and I get it back, I'll gladly post a picture of it up! <br /><br />Also, I do agree with the people who are saying that we're not here to find Michael. But, since there are so many weird things happened at Neverland recently, I do think we should be investigating it more without the motive of actually trying to find Michael. We've been looking for clues and investigating since June 25, 2009 and things have been quiet around the forum lately. So I think now's a great time to start really investigating Neverland to see if there are any more clues or information regarding Michael being alive, not regarding Michael actually living and in hiding there (even though I believe in my heart that he is there, and if he is, I think we should leave him alone and look for clues, not for him).
@IWantYouBack... every time you post you make my day darling and you are so sweet... there is only a problem in this whole story ***I hope the poor guard don't be fired after his slip up*** :affraid:
<br />@IWantYouBack... every time you post you make my day darling and you are so sweet... there is only a problem in this whole story ***I hope the poor guard don't be fired after his slip up*** :affraid:<br />
<br /><br />Aw thank you soo much! ^_^ You're sweet too! God Bless.
That's very interesting - thank you for sharing. Did you happen to see the Mexican's eyes? Thinking back, do you think that man could have been Michael in disguise? I can see him doing something like that - roaming freely and mingling with others without anyone bothering him. Maybe you were a test - because Michael always says that children can spot him in disguise. Not that you are a child, but you still have a certain amount of innocence about you that older people don't have. Just a thought.<br /><br />Tink - I know you've met Michael before but I don't remember reading this about your friend's siting of Michael. I guess she/he must be trustworthy for you to believe what you were told? This was before you were a full beLIEver? I don't want to know locations either but did your friend say anything about who Michael was with and if he looked healthy?<br /><br />Blessings <br /><br />
<br />@MJonmind.... you are soooooooo lucky girl! I wish I could hug Michael the way you hugged him! :over-react-smiley:<br />
<br />Oh I wish it were true, but sadly, no... :-\ That's certainly not me, but the girl in the link I posted. She tells of her many encounters--don't know if she would categorized as a stalker. MJ seemed to genuinely enjoy seeing her faithful support.<br /><br />
<br />@IWantYouBack... every time you post you make my day darling and you are so sweet... there is only a problem in this whole story ***I hope the poor guard don't be fired after his slip up*** :affraid:<br />
<br /><br />I saw the guard this past March. Yup, still there. Just a lot more cautious with what comes out of his mouth!
<br />This whole story sounds a little far out.<br />
<br /><br />@Bec - Why does it? She has photos. If anything, I'd think mine sounds a bit far out - except it really happened, and the poor night guard saw it all unfold, along with the neighbor and me.<br /><br />God works in mysterious ways - and I've given up questioning why, as that's useless with the Great Creator.
I guess 'MJ' (maybe) gave him another chance! Or MJ didn't hear about it, and the guard hopes it'll stay yours and his 'little secret'! :errrr:<br />But MJ knows NOW!!! :LolLolLolLol:
<br />I guess 'MJ' (maybe) gave him another chance! Or MJ didn't hear about it, and the guard hopes it'll stay yours and his 'little secret'! :errrr:<br />But MJ knows NOW!!! :LolLolLolLol:<br />
<br /><br />And he knows about the snow...I think he values good employees, and minor slip-ups can always be blamed on language barriers.
I think so @MJonmind since we believe Michael is reading our posts I guess he has already gotten to know about his guard's slip up! but Michael will be not mad at him as long as he count it as one more clue for the hoax clues list, hee hee..... :icon_mrgreen:<br /><br />@IWantYouBack...beautiful voice for a beautiful girl sweetie, thanks for sharing :th_bravo:
<br />This whole story sounds a little far out.<br />
<br /><br />Hi Bec, I appreciate you taking the time to read my story. But this was one of the reasons why I was hesitant to share it. If Michael taught me one thing, it's that no matter what you might say or do, there's always going to be someone ready to take you down and not believe you and Michael taught me to always stand up for myself and for what I believe in, so I am.<br /><br />Do you honestly think that I would create and write a super long thread based on a lie? There's a reason why I posted the pictures in the first place. I knew someone would try to take me down and claim that my experience is a lie and never happened. So, I provided as much proof as possible by posting pictures of everything I talked about in my first post (the Believe rock, the Mexican Man, and me at Neverland). What else more do you want from me in order to prove that this REALLY happened? A video of me speaking with the guard? Well I'm sorry, I'm not psychic, I didn't know he was going to make such an obvious slip up and I couldn't get my video camera out in time to zoom in and record his face.<br /><br />I've been a member of this forum for over two years and never once have I posted or created a lie. I love and appreciate all of the members here. We're a family and I would never disrespect any of you by tampering with your emotions and feelings towards Michael and the hoax. I'm 17 years old. I have a life outside of this forum. I hangout with my friends and I'm in the middle of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a singer. I am way too busy to create a lie. Besides, it's not in my heart to lie to you or anyone else on this forum.<br /><br />@Sunset Thank you SO much for watching my Earth Song performance and for your kind words! I really appreciate it! Much love to you.
<br />This whole story sounds a little far out.<br />
<br /><br />Hi Bec, I appreciate you taking the time to read my story. But this was one of the reasons why I was hesitant to share it. If Michael taught me one thing, it's that no matter what you might say or do, there's always going to be someone ready to take you down and not believe you and Michael taught me to always stand up for myself and for what I believe in, so I am.<br /><br />Do you honestly think that I would create and write a super long thread based on a lie? There's a reason why I posted the pictures in the first place. I knew someone would try to take me down and claim that my experience is a lie and never happened. So, I provided as much proof as possible by posting pictures of everything I talked about in my first post (the Believe rock, the Mexican Man, and me at Neverland). What else more do you want from me in order to prove that this REALLY happened? A video of me speaking with the guard? Well I'm sorry, I'm not psychic, I didn't know he was going to make such an obvious slip up and I couldn't get my video camera out in time to zoom in and record his face.<br /><br />I've been a member of this forum for over two years and never once have I posted or created a lie. I love and appreciate all of the members here. We're a family and I would never disrespect any of you by tampering with your emotions and feelings towards Michael and the hoax. I'm 17 years old. I have a life outside of this forum. I hangout with my friends and I'm in the middle of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a singer. I am way too busy to create a lie. Besides, it's not in my heart to lie to you or anyone else on this forum.<br /><br />
<br /><br />If your story is true, you should have no problem facing a challenge to it. Besides, it's one of those stories you really can't prove one way or another, isn't it? We can either take you at your word or not. If you know in your heart that it's true, it shouldn't matter what I or anyone else have to say, should it? You should have the confidence to hold your head high and go forward on your own merit, your own character, and your own sense of what you KNOW is TRUE, right?<br />
<br />This whole story sounds a little far out.<br />
<br /><br />Hi Bec, I appreciate you taking the time to read my story. But this was one of the reasons why I was hesitant to share it. If Michael taught me one thing, it's that no matter what you might say or do, there's always going to be someone ready to take you down and not believe you and Michael taught me to always stand up for myself and for what I believe in, so I am.<br /><br />Do you honestly think that I would create and write a super long thread based on a lie? There's a reason why I posted the pictures in the first place. I knew someone would try to take me down and claim that my experience is a lie and never happened. So, I provided as much proof as possible by posting pictures of everything I talked about in my first post (the Believe rock, the Mexican Man, and me at Neverland). What else more do you want from me in order to prove that this REALLY happened? A video of me speaking with the guard? Well I'm sorry, I'm not psychic, I didn't know he was going to make such an obvious slip up and I couldn't get my video camera out in time to zoom in and record his face.<br /><br />I've been a member of this forum for over two years and never once have I posted or created a lie. I love and appreciate all of the members here. We're a family and I would never disrespect any of you by tampering with your emotions and feelings towards Michael and the hoax. I'm 17 years old. I have a life outside of this forum. I hangout with my friends and I'm in the middle of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a singer. I am way too busy to create a lie. Besides, it's not in my heart to lie to you or anyone else on this forum.<br /><br />
<br /><br />If your story is true, you should have no problem facing a challenge to it. Besides, it's one of those stories you really can't prove one way or another, isn't it? We can either take you at your word or not. If you know in your heart that it's true, it shouldn't matter what I or anyone else have to say, should it? You should have the confidence to hold your head high and go forward on your own merit, your own character, and your own sense of what you KNOW is TRUE, right?<br />
<br /><br />That's absolutely correct - which is why I ended up posting it and sharing it with you all. I believe in myself and I believe in that experience and I KNOW it's TRUE, so I POSTED it. I know it's TRUE so I had the confidence to POST it UP for you ALL to SEE. The only reason I replied to you and stood up for myself was because I didn't want you to damage my reputation on this forum by accusing me of lying when I personally know that what I'm saying is true. You're a powerful member here on the forum, Bec. You're a global moderator who's extremely active with a good reputation. There's no doubt in my mind that the other members take your words seriously here and look up to you as a user. So, when someone as powerful as you accuses me of lying in front of the whole community, it's a natural instinct for me to stick up for myself and what I believe in, and that's simply what I did. I'm NOT going to sit back here and let a Global Moderator call me a liar even if I know that my story is true. It's how I was raised and it's apart of who I am. I stick up for myself no matter what the situation is. Just because I stuck up for myself and for the truth doesn't mean my story is false. Sticking up for myself does NOT and should NOT count as "evidence" of me lying. There is NO evidence of me lying because my story is TRUE. The only evidence in this debate is that I don't take any crap, nor should anyone. Did Michael Jackson let Tom Sneddon, the media and the world call him a child molester? No. He went on trial to prove his innocence and did interview after interview to stand up for himself and that's what I learned from him. It's one of the reasons why I look up to Michael in the first place - he's a lover, but he sticks up for what he believes in when someone tears him down. If something is bothering him or he doesn't believe something, he'll ignore it until action against it must be taken. That's what I love about him. And that lesson I learned from him rubbed off on me today in this thread.<br /><br />Besides, you didn't even have to post that comment anyway. If you don't believe the story that's in the thread, then don't post in it. Just ignore the thread. Surely the Global Moderator would agree with that rule. I asked everyone for their opinion on whether or not they thought my TRUE story was odd. Not whether or not my story was true. I wanted to know what everyone thought of the guard's words and actions as well as the words and actions of the Mexican Man. I asked everyone who considers my story to be TRUE for their opinion. And you didn't even give me an opinion on the guard or the Mexican Man whatsoever. You just doubted, cast negativity on the thread and accused me of lying. It's my thread. I asked a question to those who thought my story was true. And since you don't believe my story, you shouldn't have even posted. You have no business here in this thread, other than just moderating it.<br /><br />I have nothing personal against you, Bec. Anyone could have accused me of lying and posted the same thing you did and I would have reacted the same way. It's just the way I am.<br /><br />To those who DO believe me, I just want to say a BIG thank you for all of your support and for all of your feedback! I love hearing your opinions on the guard and the Mexican Man because every opinion helps put the puzzle together. I'm looking through my father's pictures that he took of Neverland as well, so if I find another picture of the Mexican Man I will not hesitate to post it up! Much love to all of you! God Bless!
<br />This whole story sounds a little far out.<br />
<br /><br />Hi Bec, I appreciate you taking the time to read my story. But this was one of the reasons why I was hesitant to share it. If Michael taught me one thing, it's that no matter what you might say or do, there's always going to be someone ready to take you down and not believe you and Michael taught me to always stand up for myself and for what I believe in, so I am.<br /><br />Do you honestly think that I would create and write a super long thread based on a lie? There's a reason why I posted the pictures in the first place. I knew someone would try to take me down and claim that my experience is a lie and never happened. So, I provided as much proof as possible by posting pictures of everything I talked about in my first post (the Believe rock, the Mexican Man, and me at Neverland). What else more do you want from me in order to prove that this REALLY happened? A video of me speaking with the guard? Well I'm sorry, I'm not psychic, I didn't know he was going to make such an obvious slip up and I couldn't get my video camera out in time to zoom in and record his face.<br /><br />I've been a member of this forum for over two years and never once have I posted or created a lie. I love and appreciate all of the members here. We're a family and I would never disrespect any of you by tampering with your emotions and feelings towards Michael and the hoax. I'm 17 years old. I have a life outside of this forum. I hangout with my friends and I'm in the middle of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a singer. I am way too busy to create a lie. Besides, it's not in my heart to lie to you or anyone else on this forum.<br /><br />
<br /><br />If your story is true, you should have no problem facing a challenge to it. Besides, it's one of those stories you really can't prove one way or another, isn't it? We can either take you at your word or not. If you know in your heart that it's true, it shouldn't matter what I or anyone else have to say, should it? You should have the confidence to hold your head high and go forward on your own merit, your own character, and your own sense of what you KNOW is TRUE, right?<br />
<br /><br />That's absolutely correct - which is why I ended up posting it and sharing it with you all. I believe in myself and I believe in that experience and I KNOW it's TRUE, so I POSTED it. I know it's TRUE so I had the confidence to POST it UP for you ALL to SEE. The only reason I replied to you and stood up for myself was because I didn't want you to damage my reputation on this forum by accusing me of lying when I personally know that what I'm saying is true. You're a powerful member here on the forum, Bec. You're a global moderator who's extremely active with a good reputation. There's no doubt in my mind that the other members take your words seriously here and look up to you as a user. So, when someone as powerful as you accuses me of lying in front of the whole community, it's a natural instinct for me to stick up for myself and what I believe in, and that's simply what I did. I'm NOT going to sit back here and let a Global Moderator call me a liar even if I know that my story is true. It's how I was raised and it's apart of who I am. I stick up for myself no matter what the situation is. Just because I stuck up for myself and for the truth doesn't mean my story is false. Sticking up for myself does NOT and should NOT count as "evidence" of me lying. [glow=red,2,300]There is NO evidence of me lying because my story is TRUE.[/glow] The only evidence in this debate is that I don't take any crap, nor should anyone. Did Michael Jackson let Tom Sneddon, the media and the world call him a child molester? No. He went on trial to prove his innocence and did interview after interview to stand up for himself and that's what I learned from him. It's one of the reasons why I look up to Michael in the first place - he's a lover, but he sticks up for what he believes in when someone tears him down. If something is bothering him or he doesn't believe something, he'll ignore it until action against it must be taken. That's what I love about him. And that lesson I learned from him rubbed off on me today in this thread.<br /><br />Besides, you didn't even have to post that comment anyway. If you don't believe the story that's in the thread, then don't post in it. Just ignore the thread. Surely the Global Moderator would agree with that rule. I asked everyone for their opinion on whether or not they thought my TRUE story was odd. Not whether or not my story was true. I wanted to know what everyone thought of the guard's words and actions as well as the words and actions of the Mexican Man. I asked everyone who considers my story to be TRUE for their opinion. And you didn't even give me an opinion on the guard or the Mexican Man whatsoever. You just doubted, cast negativity on the thread and accused me of lying. It's my thread. I asked a question to those who thought my story was true. And since you don't believe my story, you shouldn't have even posted. You have no business here in this thread, other than just moderating it.<br /><br />I have nothing personal against you, Bec. Anyone could have accused me of lying and posted the same thing you did and I would have reacted the same way. It's just the way I am.<br /><br />To those who DO believe me, I just want to say a BIG thank you for all of your support and for all of your feedback! I love hearing your opinions on the guard and the Mexican Man because every opinion helps put the puzzle together. I'm looking through my father's pictures that he took of Neverland as well, so if I find another picture of the Mexican Man I will not hesitate to post it up! Much love to all of you! God Bless! <br />
<br /><br />Compare bolded to bolded and underlined to underlined. You directly contradict yourself twice in one post, once even in the same paragraph.<br /><br />As far as the highlighted portion, your argument is illogical. There is no evidence either way other then a single witness statement, your own. When considering the credibility of any witness statement, one must consider the bias, motive, and credibility of that witness.<br /><br />I do have to point out that I never called you a liar nor accused you of lying. I simply said your story was a little far out.
<br />This whole story sounds a little far out.<br />
<br /><br />Hi Bec, I appreciate you taking the time to read my story. But this was one of the reasons why I was hesitant to share it. If Michael taught me one thing, it's that no matter what you might say or do, there's always going to be someone ready to take you down and not believe you and Michael taught me to always stand up for myself and for what I believe in, so I am.<br /><br />Do you honestly think that I would create and write a super long thread based on a lie? There's a reason why I posted the pictures in the first place. I knew someone would try to take me down and claim that my experience is a lie and never happened. So, I provided as much proof as possible by posting pictures of everything I talked about in my first post (the Believe rock, the Mexican Man, and me at Neverland). What else more do you want from me in order to prove that this REALLY happened? A video of me speaking with the guard? Well I'm sorry, I'm not psychic, I didn't know he was going to make such an obvious slip up and I couldn't get my video camera out in time to zoom in and record his face.<br /><br />I've been a member of this forum for over two years and never once have I posted or created a lie. I love and appreciate all of the members here. We're a family and I would never disrespect any of you by tampering with your emotions and feelings towards Michael and the hoax. I'm 17 years old. I have a life outside of this forum. I hangout with my friends and I'm in the middle of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a singer. I am way too busy to create a lie. Besides, it's not in my heart to lie to you or anyone else on this forum.<br /><br />
<br /><br />If your story is true, you should have no problem facing a challenge to it. Besides, it's one of those stories you really can't prove one way or another, isn't it? We can either take you at your word or not. If you know in your heart that it's true, it shouldn't matter what I or anyone else have to say, should it? You should have the confidence to hold your head high and go forward on your own merit, your own character, and your own sense of what you KNOW is TRUE, right?<br />
<br /><br />That's absolutely correct - which is why I ended up posting it and sharing it with you all. I believe in myself and I believe in that experience and I KNOW it's TRUE, so I POSTED it. I know it's TRUE so I had the confidence to POST it UP for you ALL to SEE. The only reason I replied to you and stood up for myself was because I didn't want you to damage my reputation on this forum by accusing me of lying when I personally know that what I'm saying is true. You're a powerful member here on the forum, Bec. You're a global moderator who's extremely active with a good reputation. There's no doubt in my mind that the other members take your words seriously here and look up to you as a user. So, when someone as powerful as you accuses me of lying in front of the whole community, it's a natural instinct for me to stick up for myself and what I believe in, and that's simply what I did. I'm NOT going to sit back here and let a Global Moderator call me a liar even if I know that my story is true. It's how I was raised and it's apart of who I am. I stick up for myself no matter what the situation is. Just because I stuck up for myself and for the truth doesn't mean my story is false. Sticking up for myself does NOT and should NOT count as "evidence" of me lying. [glow=red,2,300]There is NO evidence of me lying because my story is TRUE.[/glow] The only evidence in this debate is that I don't take any crap, nor should anyone. Did Michael Jackson let Tom Sneddon, the media and the world call him a child molester? No. He went on trial to prove his innocence and did interview after interview to stand up for himself and that's what I learned from him. It's one of the reasons why I look up to Michael in the first place - he's a lover, but he sticks up for what he believes in when someone tears him down. If something is bothering him or he doesn't believe something, he'll ignore it until action against it must be taken. That's what I love about him. And that lesson I learned from him rubbed off on me today in this thread.<br /><br />Besides, you didn't even have to post that comment anyway. If you don't believe the story that's in the thread, then don't post in it. Just ignore the thread. Surely the Global Moderator would agree with that rule. I asked everyone for their opinion on whether or not they thought my TRUE story was odd. Not whether or not my story was true. I wanted to know what everyone thought of the guard's words and actions as well as the words and actions of the Mexican Man. I asked everyone who considers my story to be TRUE for their opinion. And you didn't even give me an opinion on the guard or the Mexican Man whatsoever. You just doubted, cast negativity on the thread and accused me of lying. It's my thread. I asked a question to those who thought my story was true. And since you don't believe my story, you shouldn't have even posted. You have no business here in this thread, other than just moderating it.<br /><br />I have nothing personal against you, Bec. Anyone could have accused me of lying and posted the same thing you did and I would have reacted the same way. It's just the way I am.<br /><br />To those who DO believe me, I just want to say a BIG thank you for all of your support and for all of your feedback! I love hearing your opinions on the guard and the Mexican Man because every opinion helps put the puzzle together. I'm looking through my father's pictures that he took of Neverland as well, so if I find another picture of the Mexican Man I will not hesitate to post it up! Much love to all of you! God Bless! <br />
<br /><br />Compare bolded to bolded and underlined to underlined. You directly contradict yourself twice in one post, once even in the same paragraph.<br /><br />As far as the highlighted portion, your argument is illogical. There is no evidence either way other then a single witness statement, your own. When considering the credibility of any witness statement, one must consider the bias, motive, and credibility of that witness.<br /><br />I do have to point out that I never called you a liar nor accused you of lying. I simply said your story was a little far out.<br />
<br /><br />I didn't contradict myself at all, actually. You just totally misunderstood what I was saying and left out key sentences and points in each paragraph to make it look like I contradicted myself. Allow me to explain:<br /><br />The Bold Statements Comparison: My whole point in those paragraphs was to let you know that I was just standing up for what I believe in and for myself. That's the whole point of the debate. You said that I should be able to face a challenge when it comes to my story and not even care about what you or what anyone else thinks. And since I stuck up for myself, you considered it as evidence of my story being false but in reality I was just simply sticking up for myself because I'm not going to let anyone imply that I'm a liar. [size=10pt]What I was trying to get at in those bold statements was that no matter who accused me of lying, I would have stuck up for myself either way.[/size] But, I'm explaining myself and writing a lot [size=10pt]more[/size] to you, Bec, than I would a regular user because you're more powerful and have a good reputation that could sway the community into thinking that I am a liar, which would totally ruin my rep for no reason at all. You totally misunderstood those statements that you made bold. So no, I didn't contradict myself.<br /><br />The Underlined Statements: As for these, I have no idea what you're trying to prove and I have no idea how you don't understand what I'm saying here. For all of those people who believe that my story was TRUE, I asked them for their opinion of the guard and the Mexican Man. And since you don't believe my story is TRUE, therefore, I'm not asking you for your opinion. I don't see how I contradict myself there. It's plain and simple. Here are the steps to make it easier for you to understand and realize that I didn't contradict myself. <br /><br />1) I post my story and ask an opinion on the GUARD and the MEXICAN MAN. <br />2) A user reads it.<br />3) If that user believes that my story is TRUE, they answer my question by giving their opinion on the guard and the Mexican Man.<br />4) If that user believes my story is FAKE, then they shouldn't even post because my question means NOTHING to them.<br /><br />[size=10pt]I started this thread to simply get opinions on the guard and the Mexican Man[/size], but [size=10pt]only[/size] if those opinions are from people who [size=10pt]believe[/size] my story. Because if a person does not believe my story, then why in the world would they take the time to answer my question? You, obviously, don't seem to care too much about my story or my question because you think it's false. So then WHY did you even post? I want you to answer that question for me. I will ask it again. If you think my story is FALSE, why did you even post? I wasn't asking everyone if they thought my story was true or not. I already know the answer to that, and so does everyone else who has posted in this thread. Negativity doesn't bring anything positive, and comments like yours only sink the ship. If you don't believe in the story in this thread, then stay away from this thread.<br /><br />The Highlighted Statement: Once again, you misunderstood. To ME, there is NO evidence of me lying because I was there and I know for a fact that it's true. If you really want another witness, my whole family was there with me and I'm sure my brother would be glad to come on and explain the story to you. Or, if you're honestly that curious, go up to Neverland, meet me there, we'll find the bald guard and ask him if he remembers. I'd be ALL for doing that.<br /><br />But if you don't believe my story in this thread, don't post on it. That's really all it comes down to. You have NO business here if you don't believe in my story and are not going to give an intelligent opinion on the guard and the Mexican Man.<br /><br />I asked for an opinion on the guard and the Mexican Man. [size=10pt]You gave neither an opinion on the guard or the Mexican Man[/size]. You just attacked my story and implied that I was a liar. And since it's my thread and all I asked was for an opinion on the guard and Mexican Man, [size=10pt]your post obviously doesn't belong in this thread[/size]. I mean, come on, I'm young but I'm NOT an idiot. I know what "far out" means. Your post sums it up. "This whole story sounds a little far out [to be true...]". So don't go around saying you're not calling me a liar. You may not have said the actual words, but you totally implied it. It was a shot at me in disguise.
IMO, no harm in feeling a person out. IWantYouBack, people here are generally going to read, but not necessarily take everything as 'Gospel truth'. We have to do that with everything, since we're not there in person. It's our job to weigh everything. Scientists would consider your story anecdotal evidence, but still of some worth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence You also know there's train load of garbage out there written about MJ (which amazingly appears to many to be true), so... But hey, that's okay! Your story is put on record here and goes with all the other anecdotal evidence. I'd say the sources for evidence for MJ being alive probably falls into all kinds of catagories--media, family, TS, Front (Back), associates, friends, foes, and fans. Each piece (maybe thousands by now :icon_mrgreen:) could be rated-- possible, interesting, obvious, and cause for celebration/share with outsiders! You know there's around 100 guests reading here every day, and if they like/believe/value your story, it will surely to shared/copy pasted/analyzed around the world!!<br /><br />I'm extremely thankful for the tough but loving 'watchdogs' that Souza and Bec are. Front rates them high as well. You should really appreciate that fact more and relax and smile! Remember American Idol and how much everyone valued Simon's honest opinions--that's cuz he's astute/rasor sharp!<br />I enjoyed your Earth Song, and previous Justin song! It always gives me chills--that song is so poignant for our time.
<br /><br />Did you or did you not write those words in your quoted post? Are those or are those not directly conflicting statements? How am I to "know what you mean" if you do not mean what you say?<br /><br />
So then WHY did you even post?
<br /><br />Because I believe that there is a collective interest of the whole to retain the credibility for the community by challenging shared information that, in my opinion and experience, seems questionable. I believe it advances the conversation forward.<br /><br />
I know what "far out" means. Your post sums it up. "This whole story sounds a little far out [to be true...]". So don't go around saying you're not calling me a liar. You may not have said the actual words, but you totally implied it. It was a shot at me in disguise.
<br /><br />Use of the word lie implies a mode of intent, which my statement did not seek to suggest or assume.<br /><br />
lie<br />1 [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.<br />noun<br />1.<br />a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.<br />2.<br />something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.<br />3.<br />an inaccurate or false statement.<br />4.<br />the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
<br />Lie | Define Lie at Dictionary.com<br /><br />In contrast, "Far out" implies simple skepticism with no judgement cast upon mode or intent.<br /><br />
far-out (färout)<br />adj. Slang<br />Extremely unconventional: "all kinds of far-out and unique inventions" (Peter Nissenson).<br /><br /><br />far-out Slang<br />adj (far out when postpositive)<br />1. bizarre or avant-garde<br />2. excellent; wonderful<br />interj far out<br />an expression of amazement or delight<br />
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ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms<br />Adj. 1. far-out - informal terms; strikingly unconventional<br />offbeat, quirky, way-out, kinky<br />unconventional - not conventional or conformist; "unconventional life styles"<br /><br />far-out<br />adjective strange, wild, unusual, bizarre, weird, avant-garde, unconventional, off-the-wall (slang), outlandish, outré, advanced a weird, far-out surrealist
<br />IMO, no harm in feeling a person out. IWantYouBack, people here are generally going to read, but not necessarily take everything as 'Gospel truth'. We have to do that with everything, since we're not there in person. It's our job to weigh everything. Scientists would consider your story anecdotal evidence, but still of some worth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence You also know there's train load of garbage out there written about MJ (which amazingly appears to many to be true), so... But hey, that's okay! Your story is put on record here and goes with all the other anecdotal evidence. I'd say the sources for evidence for MJ being alive probably falls into all kinds of catagories--media, family, TS, Front (Back), associates, friends, foes, and fans. Each piece (maybe thousands by now :icon_mrgreen:) could be rated-- possible, interesting, obvious, and cause for celebration/share with outsiders!<br /><br />I'm extremely thankful for the tough but loving 'watchdogs' that Souza and Bec are. Front rates them high as well. You should really appreciate that fact more and relax and smile! Remember American Idol and how much everyone valued Simon's honest opinions--that's cuz he's astute/rasor sharp!<br />I enjoyed your Earth Song, and previous Justin song! It always gives me chills--that song is so poignant for our time.<br />
<br /><br />MJOnMind, thank you for your nice post and thank you for all of your kind words on my singing. I really appreciate it! You're really nice! ^_^<br /><br />I understand what you are saying. I understand that not everyone is going to take it as the gospel truth and I understand that we have to weigh certain things. That's what investigating is all about! We live for that here! But the thing is, I think those rules are different when it comes to my thread. <br /><br />I don't think my thread falls under these rules because I wasn't trying to provide evidence of Michael being alive and hiding at Neverland that we can all weigh and debunk. I simply shared my experience at Neverland, like I would do in my own personal blog or on a Facebook Status. I didn't share it with everyone because I thought it was evidence. I simply shared it to get other members' opinions on the guard and on the Mexican Man. I wanted to see if other beLIEvers thought that my experience was a little bit weird or if it was something that any fan could experience whenever they visit Neverland. That's all I was asking. I didn't copy and paste this story from another website for all of us to debunk like some of the pictures of Michael's handwriting found on Facebook. This was just my personal story about my visit to Neverland. It was my journey and I wanted to share it with you all just to see if any other fans have experienced something similar and to get opinions on the guard and on the Mexican Man. That's all I wanted. And if all I was asking for were opinions on the Mexican Man and the guard, I don't see why Bec needed to imply that I was a liar and that my story was false. I feel that if she didn't believe my story, she just could have left the thread alone without posting anything or hurting anyone's feelings. I don't blame Bec for thinking twice about my story because she wasn't with me when I visited Neverland. She didn't experience what happened. But I don't think it was really necessary to imply that I was a liar because I did not submit this story as some kind of evidence. It was just a personal story that I would share in a blog. It wasn't evidence nor did I ever say it was evidence.<br /><br />I appreciate, respect, and love every member here on the forum. We are a family. And when I'm in a debate, I don't have anything personal against the person I'm debating with. I'm just stating what I think is right. I truly do appreciate Bec and Souza. I look up to them. They do fantastic work here and I really respect them. I've said that in a few posts in this thread. I thanked Bec for taking the time out to read my story. I'm very grateful for her time. But all I'm saying is that since I was just sharing my story like I would share it on my blog or on my way walking up to McDonald's with my best friend, I don't think there was any need to imply that I was a liar. If I had found this story on another website and posted it up, then I wouldn't even think twice about Bec's opinion because we would all be weighing and trying to debunk it. If this thread happened that way, then I would have been submitting it as evidence. But again, that's not what this was. It was my personal experience at Neverland. I just thought I'd share an experience I had while on summer vacation, and then I ended up getting called a liar, which I think wasn't necessary.<br /><br />But don't get me wrong, I love, appreciate, and respect Bec and ALL of the users on this forum. You all are my family and I feel like I can tell you guys anything, which is great. I'm very grateful for all of you here and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. I just hope no one is taking what I am saying personally because I have nothing against Bec or anyone else on this forum. I'm just stating my opinion and what I believe in.<br /><br />But thank you again for reading my thread and for all of your kind words. I really appreciate it.
@Jenn...thanks for sharing your story, your day at Neverland sounds like it was thrilling! For what it's worth, IMO, your story is easier to believe than some other Neverland stories I've read.<br /><br />Also, thanks for sharing your 'Earth Song'/MJ tribute...I LOVED it! Earth Song is definitely one of the tougher songs to sing and you did a fantastic job.<br /><br />I wish you all the best of luck with your singing career :icon_razz:<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.
<br />Because I believe that there is a collective interest of the whole to retain the credibility for the community by challenging shared information that, in my opinion and experience, seems questionable. I believe it advances the conversation forward.
<br /><br />But, in this case, it didn't advance the conversation forward. We're no longer discussing what the guard had said and/or what the Mexican Man was doing let alone who he even was. This didn't advance the conversation forward at all. If anything, it completely interrupted it and stopped it. Now half of my thread is a debate that didn't even have to start if you had just left it alone and let me go about my business by asking for opinions about the guard and the Mexican Man. <br /><br />I would understand why you would imply that the whole story is questionable and potentially untrue if I had submitted this story as evidence from an unknown person who has a question mark for a profile picture, no name, and is from an unknown city. But I didn't. This was my personal story about my experience to Neverland and I described it just as I would walking up to McDonald's with my best friend. I had a goal in mind when I started this thread. And that goal was to get opinions on the guard and the Mexican Man. Questioning the story and implying that it may actually be false isn't what I was looking for and your comment completely turned the whole point of this thread upside-down. If you had doubts about my story, you could have just left the thread alone and let the people who do believe it discuss it instead of trying to convince everyone that I'm lying like you did in your second post in this thread.<br /><br />Not only did you interrupt and completely stop the discussion, you didn't even provide a reason as to why you thought the story was far out. You didn't elaborate or anything, which also points to the fact that your post simply didn't belong in this thead and that it wasn't really needed. If your plan was truly to advance the conversation forward, you should have provided a little more proof as to why you think that the story is untrue. But you posted one little sentence that wasn't informative. It didn't help anything, it only sparked a huge debate that hurt feelings and reputations. It could have easily been avoided if you had just given your opinion of the guard and Mexican Man - which is truly all I wanted. Or, since you didn't believe my story, you could have just done nothing.<br /><br />As for the definitions you have included, I honestly don't care which words you used. All I know is that I was a bit offended by your post and I honestly felt that it didn't even belong in the thread.<br /><br />It comes down to this simple rule: If you don't believe in the subject of the thread, don't post in it.
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