Scream,<br /><br />I don't react with disgust even though I don't always agree. This is because that person was being honest and giving their real thoughts and feelings. I also appreciate the fact that you are being honest. This is sometimes a good thing because then we can talk about it and work on it. That's what we have to do in order to unite. The only way we can accomplish anything is if we unite. For example, the government in the U.S. calls the people in Iraq or Afghanistan or wherever "terrorists". They blame an attack on "terrorists". The people in Afghanistan or wherever calls U.S. the "terrorists". <br />This goes on and on and it never ends. Our enemies are not people just like us in a foreign country. There's so much propoganda,control,manipulation etc. People don't realize the truth. Most people are just trying to survive and don't know what's really going on.<br />We have to spread information. Who is really controlling education, news, military,corporations,banks,food, resources, etc. etc.???? Who is really doing the manipulation and starting the wars ???? We don't have the total big picture but I think on this forum we are getting closer to it. We're trying to get closer to the truth. This is the way we can unite and then "Heal the World". In a way it might be a good thing that you brought up this topic. This sure is a "big" one. :ghsdf: <br /><br />
I don't think there can be any real debate or discussion, if one or both sides are reactionary and accusatory, and emotions rule over facts and information. Hate is not the same as bringing forth facts and details. All people experience things from their perspective, and you cannot deny people what they feel or experience. There were others backing Hitler, he was probably more a puppet of higher powers. He was not a lone madman but selected to take the blame and fall. Scream, there are ALWAYS other perspectives, but if they are silenced by force and fear, naturally you will only hear one side and believe that's all there is to know about the subject. No one here is denying the death and suffering on an unbelievable scale, the questions all have to do with the powers behind it all, and the powers behind those powers, the purposes for it happening on a larger scale.<br />
<br />Hate is not the same as bringing forth facts and details.
<br /><br />Oh, so AKHTONI brings forth fact and details? If that's how you see his or her post then you don't see anti-Semitism and dangerous hate speech against Jews when it hits you in the face.<br /><br />
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All people experience things from their perspective, and you cannot deny people what they feel or experience. There were others backing Hitler, he was probably more a puppet of higher powers. He was not a lone madman but selected to take the blame and fall.
<br /><br />I don't even know what to say to that. You clearly have no knowledge about Hitler and his roots from decades before he even became a member of the NSDAP (his time in Vienna for example). If you knew about that and his anti-Semitism long before he ever became the leader of that party, you would never say that he was just selected to take the blame and fall.<br /><br />What do you mean, I can not deny people what they feel or experience? If they feel that they like Hitler, that's something I have to respect and I'm not allowed to question that? What if they also feel there needs to be a new NSDAP, what if they founded this new party because they "like Hitler" and want to finish what he started? It's ok for them to do that because I have to respect that they feel this way?<br /><br />
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No one here is denying the death and suffering on an unbelievable scale, the questions all have to do with the powers behind it all, and the powers behind those powers, the purposes for it happening on a larger scale.
<br /><br />The powers behind WWII and the Holocaust were Hitler and the Nazis. Denying that and looking for other powers who were actually behind it means downplaying what the Nazis did and taking the responsibility from them.<br /><br />And no one here is denying the death and suffering?<br /><br />
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<br />scream:<br />
So you support the belief in a Jewish world conspiracy?
<br /> <br />Yes I did and I doubt this holocaust<br />
<br /><br />I can't believe how people defend AKHTONI and just think what he or she said will just go away if they deny often enough that he or she actually said that.<br /><br />I was really hoping that I'm wrong about the people here, but I can see now that I am not, if people actually defend AKHTONI and at the same time say that they are not anti-Semitic just means I was right from the start when I posted about David Icke (I actually thought people only use him as a source because they don't know about his anti-Semitism, boy, was I wrong, they know and use him as a source anyway or because of that). I guess I've been lucky so far on the internet, I never was on any forum where people could post things like AKHTONI did here, if anybody only posted 10 % of what he or she said, the posts were deleted and the users were banned for hate speech and all forums I have ever been on had "no hate speech, no racism, no anti-Semitism" in their forum rules. The only places I ever saw posts like that one were forums like stormfront. I'm still shocked to see a Michael Jackson forum acting like this and I'm still in disbelief.<br /><br />And not that this is important, the hate speech against Jews and pointing out how dangerous it is is what's important .... but since this all started in the Front thread, I was on the fence about Front but now I'm convinced that he is fake, I really don't believe for one second that Michael would choose a forum that supports ideologies like this one. Hate against (groups of) people goes against everything he ever stood for. I know that it's a bit early, Front might not have seen this yet, so maybe he will address it in the near future, that might put me back on the fence. If he doesn't, well, then I wasted a couple of months of following the 2 threads and reading through the old one from beginning to end.
I've been observing the discussion here and I find it fascinating...good call bec and Souza for re-opening it. And although the 'surface' discussion going on is quite interesting....what fascinates me more is the discussion going on just below the surface. This is a HUGE topic...a very deep rabbit hole.<br /><br />No matter how you slice it, Hitler was ONE example of evil personified....and he didn't act alone. I am fascinated by his intelligence and often wonder what he could have accomplished if he had used his gifts for good. I can completely understand Mike having wanted to speak with him. People freaked out when they read that...using it as yet another excuse to accuse Mike of something else (it's like they have a checklist). The only way to beat evil is to study it, learn it and watch it in action...what better way to understand it than through the 'mind' of evil?<br /><br />I haven't 'studied' the Holocaust enough to give an educated 'opinion' on it...nor do I have personal attachments to the events that occurred. But I do know enough to know that no matter what took place....it left a scar in human history....much like the events of 9/11 left a scar (there are many other scars...but those two are fresh scars). Whatever the 'logistics' of it were...innocent people did die and evil scored major points. I don't see it as a class, race, sex, gender or any other 'dividing' issue...I see it as 'good'/innocent versus evil (remember, deep rabbit hole). And as long as the 'good' remain divided amongst themselves....over this issue or ANY other issue....'they' will keep scoring points.<br /><br />I do believe that we are approaching a crucial time in human history. I don't know what is gonna take place, but I feel something building worldwide...like a volcano brewing just under the surface, that can, and will, soon erupt. And based on 'their' past game plans, 'they' will strike first...again. My hope is that the 'good' will be awake enough to finally block the shot. My fear is that 'they' have got us all so 'divided' over just about everything under the sun...it's evident on the board and in everyday life....that we won't even see it coming. <br /><br />What has kept me here for 3 years is my belief that Mike has a game plan of his own...a plan that will stop the world...one that WILL draw lines in the sand. I'm trying to study it, learn it and watch it in action...so that I'll be ready on his cue. <br /><br />The 'good' is long overdue.<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.
Now I just looked at the links you posted, MJonmind. It's unbelievable, CODOH is the website of Holocaust denier Bradley R. Smith.<br /><br />Bradley Smith, Holocaust Denial, Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust -- Extremism in America<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial<br /><br />In 1987, Bradley R. Smith, a former media director of the Institute for Historical Review, founded the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (CODOH). In the United States, CODOH has repeatedly tried to place newspaper advertisements questioning whether the Holocaust happened, especially in college campus newspapers. Some newspapers have accepted the advertisements, while others have rejected them. Bradley Smith has more recently sought other avenues to promote Holocaust denial – with little success. On September 8, 2009, The Harvard Crimson school paper ran a paid ad from Bradley R Smith. It was quickly criticized and an apology was issued from the editor, claiming it was a mistake.<br /><br />And rense.com .... Jeff Rense is a Holocaust denier as well:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Rense<br /><br />Rense's radio program and website, Rense.com, cover subjects such as 9/11 conspiracy theories, UFO reporting, paranormal phenomena, Holocaust denial, Zionism, ....<br /><br />Funny how you post links of Holocaust deniers to try and convince me that you don't deny the Holocaust and that you are not anti-Semitic. Or maybe just never bothered to research the source and just took the information without knowing who is behind it. If I read any kind of information I always research the source as well. But I'm quite sure you know who you are quoting, so it makes sense that you don't see the wrong in what AKHTONI said. And how right I was from the beginning. And you use Michael's name for this and claim that you do this for Michael and that you are here for Michael (see people on here claiming that when he said that history books lie he meant the Holocaust when he was actually talking about music and music history and how blacks have been discriminated against for decades and still are .... you are putting words in his mouth, things he never said to support your own agenda, that's a wrong that should be righted as well).
Scream you really need to calm down and start reading the words that people are writing and stop inserting your own and then getting outraged about your version. That's called twisting to suit an agenda and it has no place in respectful discussion on ANY subject.<br />
I saw the words, bec, some of them were "I like Hitler", "the Jews killed each other and blamed Hitler", I also saw people defending AKHTONI and then one of them posted links to websites of Holocaust deniers, and it's not just 2, no, 3 website, I forgot to mention whale.to:<br /><br />neurodiversity weblog: A Whale of an Expert<br /><br />They even promote the fake Protocols of the Elders of Zion like David Icke does as well and which are still used by Nazis to this day (you can see it on stormfront, they know they are fake but still say that the things said in them mirror reality). Not a website I would link to or quote for truth, they are propaganda.<br /><br />No need to insert my own words if people post "I like Hitler" or links to the websites of anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers, it's obvious anyway what their agenda is. Michael just doesn't deserve this and doesn't deserve that HIS words get twisted and people insert their own to make it fit their agenda (like the history books lie comment). He had to face horrible things said about him, his own words twisted time and again, the allegations, and now his name is used and his words are twisted by people to make it seem like he supported their agenda. Is Holocaust denial and liking Hitler all for L.O.V.E. as well? And if I'm supposed to respect someone's feelings if the feeling is liking Hitler and hating the Jews, do people care at all about the feelings of Holocaust survivors and their families when they read those horrible things?
What has kept me here for 3 years is because I believe Mike has a game plan of his own...a plan that will stop the world...one that WILL draw lines in the sand.
<br />You know that motion that MJ made in his dance routine when he stood with legs spread apart and reaching down with his pointer finger to touch the ground? That always reminded me of Jesus writing in the sand.<br />
John 8:<br /><br />2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them.3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?”6 They were using this question as a trap,in order to have a basis for accusing him.<br /><br /> But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger.7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stoneat her.”8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.<br /><br /> 9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there.10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”<br /><br /> 11 “No one, sir,” she said.<br /><br /> “Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”NIV
<br /><br /><br />Scream, you're always bringing in emotion. Was it people like you that called these writers 'holocaust deniers' or did it actually come from their own mouths, because I doubt that. It's simply called 'name-calling' to silence opponents and vilify anyone who questions details of the official story. I have a question for you, do you believe it was Osama Bin Laden who was behind the bringing down of the Trade Towers on 911? The events are somewhat related IMO. TS has most definitely spoken against the official story of 911.
<br />Scream, you're always bringing in emotion. Was it people like you that called these writers 'holocaust deniers' or did it actually come from their own mouths, because I doubt that. It's simply called 'name-calling' to silence opponents and vilify anyone who questions details of the official story.
<br /><br />Ok, now everything is a conspiracy, one of the websites, whale.to, even has the entire fake and anti-Semitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion on it, for Heaven's sake! If you look at the websites it becomes clear where they stand. If you of course agree with them, you won't see what they are actually saying. Those websites are well known among people interested in politics and it's widely known where they stand.<br /><br />
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I have a question for you, do you believe it was Osama Bin Laden who was behind the bringing down of the Trade Towers on 911? The events are somewhat related IMO. TS has most definitely spoken against the official story of 911.<br />
<br /><br />TS speaking against the official story tells me nothing. A lot of people do. Yes, I do believe Osama Bin Laden was behind it and the reason why the official story seems a bit strange and seems to have a lot of holes in it is that they never told us the whole story for national security reasons. If they told the entire story they'd also have reveal what they do to observe terrorists and other things that would compromise their future work.<br /><br />But I really give up now, I really thought by explaining things and where I'm coming from with my personal history and by telling people who they are quoting and supporting I could make people aware of things and make them think. But from the way this discussion went I can just say that this ideology seems to be deep-rooted on this forum and Michael's words are twisted to make them fit. It was a big surprise for me to hear that he apparently said that history books lie about the Holocaust, at first I thought he actually said that and I missed that somehow (although that would have been a huge headline over here) until I realized people just took the part with history books lie and put the rest into his mouth. I really never expected to see anything like this on a forum that is dedicated to Michael, I find this extremely confusing, but I think I have to accept now that I can't make people understand by explaining. I can't make them re-think their points of view, it's just so sad because Michael deserves so much better ....
And if I'm supposed to respect someone's feelings if the feeling is liking Hitler and hating the Jews,
<br /><br />THIS is twisting to suit an agenda.<br /><br />
but since this all started in the Front thread, I was on the fence about Front but now I'm convinced that he is fake, I really don't believe for one second that Michael would choose a forum that supports ideologies like this one. Hate against (groups of) people goes against everything he ever stood for. I know that it's a bit early, Front might not have seen this yet, so maybe he will address it in the near future, that might put me back on the fence. If he doesn't, well, then I wasted a couple of months of following the 2 threads and reading through the old one from beginning to end.
<br /><br />and this is a threat an attempt at coercion. <br /><br />These have no place in intelligent and respectful discussion. <br /><br />MJonmind said it best to you:<br />
Scream, there are ALWAYS other perspectives, but if they are silenced by force and fear, naturally you will only hear one side and believe that's all there is to know about the subject.
<br /><br />Scream, you are full of fear. Fear is one path to the dark side. Have you ever seen Star Wars?<br /><br />Read these words: take a deep breath and switch to decaf.<br /><br />Ps. I guess we are still waiting for Akhtoni to expound.<br />
And if I'm supposed to respect someone's feelings if the feeling is liking Hitler and hating the Jews,
<br /><br />THIS is twisting to suit an agenda.<br />
<br /><br />Really? Did you even read AKHTONI'S post?<br /><br />
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<br />I like adolf hitler and what's the problem?
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on 1337871432:
<br />the jews killed each others and they called it holocaust and put the whole blame on hitler.
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And from israel, the jews give orders and commanding the world ( binky and brain) ( actually they are everywhere after the alleged holocaust they started immigration . even to north pole )....... and the history is long ,you know
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Yes I did and I doubt this holocaust and wait they did a conspiracies before they are known as prophets killers right?if they did this with prophets how about normal human being
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they control almost the whole world and when they reach 100% it's the EOW (armagedon)
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sorry I've never talked positively about them cause it's hard to find the good side.
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when a jew say yes ,I say NO I can't trust them they don't do what they say
<br /><br />But whatever, like I said, this thing is obviously deep-rooted on this forum and if YOU want this kind of stuff on your forum .... I honestly didn't think you do, especially after seeing the thread about the chimpout and stormfront, but I was so totally wrong. You obviously support anti-Semitism on here and use anti-Semites like David Icke, Jeff Rense or Bradley R. Smith as sources all the time. I can't even wrap my head around the belief that this political ideology has anything to do with Michael and the death hoax, but you put them together somehow, for me that's like 2 puzzles pieces that don't fit together at all.<br /><br />Oh, and btw. .... what I said about Front is not coercion. I really mean that, everybody has their reasons to either believe he is fake or legit. I just told you what my reasons for jumping of the fence would be. Am I not allowed to have my own opinion? He will react if he wants to, I don't force him and I couldn't if I wanted to, I just voiced my opinion regarding what would make him fake for me for good.
@scream...you do bring up some very good points but why do you keep painting with such a broad brush? We are all very diverse in our experiences, knowledge and opinions...yet, you keep insinuating that the opinions of a few (regardless of what they are) are reflective of the entire forum body. Isn't that presumptuous and kind of discriminatory? <br /><br />I do respect your passion on the subject...but sense that it is fueling anger and judgement towards others...most of which ARE here seeking truth.<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.
<br />@scream...you do bring up some very good points but why do you keep painting with such a broad brush? We are all very diverse in our experiences, knowledge and opinions...yet, you keep insinuating that the opinions of a few (regardless of what they are) are reflective of the entire forum body. Isn't that presumptuous and kind of discriminatory? <br />
<br /><br />What I mean by that, when I say it's deep-rooted and the forum doesn't have a problem with it, with the links, posts like AKHTONI'S post and all the rest is that the people who run this forum don't mind if people post this stuff and even defend it and attack me for speaking out against it, meaning they support all this. This doesn't mean that every single member agrees with it.
And if I'm supposed to respect someone's feelings if the feeling is liking Hitler and hating the Jews,
<br /><br />THIS is twisting to suit an agenda.<br />
<br /><br />Really? Did you even read AKHTONI'S post?<br /><br />
on 1337871432:
<br />I like adolf hitler and what's the problem?
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on 1337871432:
<br />the jews killed each others and they called it holocaust and put the whole blame on hitler.
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on 1337871432:
And from israel, the jews give orders and commanding the world ( binky and brain) ( actually they are everywhere after the alleged holocaust they started immigration . even to north pole )....... and the history is long ,you know
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on 1337871432:
Yes I did and I doubt this holocaust and wait they did a conspiracies before they are known as prophets killers right?if they did this with prophets how about normal human being
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on 1337871432:
they control almost the whole world and when they reach 100% it's the EOW (armagedon)
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on 1337871432:
sorry I've never talked positively about them cause it's hard to find the good side.
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on 1337871432:
when a jew say yes ,I say NO I can't trust them they don't do what they say
<br /><br />But whatever, like I said, this thing is obviously deep-rooted on this forum and if YOU want this kind of stuff on your forum .... I honestly didn't think you do, especially after seeing the thread about the chimpout and stormfront, but I was so totally wrong. You obviously support anti-Semitism on here and use anti-Semites like David Icke, Jeff Rense or Bradley R. Smith as sources all the time. I can't even wrap my head around the belief that this political ideology has anything to do with Michael and the death hoax, but you put them together somehow, for me that's like 2 puzzles pieces that don't fit together at all.<br /><br />Oh, and btw. .... what I said about Front is not coercion. I really mean that, everybody has their reasons to either believe he is fake or legit. I just told you what my reasons for jumping of the fence would be. Am I not allowed to have my own opinion? He will react if he wants to, I don't force him and I couldn't if I wanted to, I just voiced my opinion regarding what would make him fake for me for good.<br />
<br /><br />Don't know about Jeff Rense or Bradley R. Smith, but to call David Icke an anti-semit? :icon_question: I have attended two lectures of his so far and never ever have I gotten the impression he was anti-semitic or against the concept of God. At All. He goes beyond labels. New Age? Don't even got THAT impression. Anyhow, Michael - as I believe - has also surpassed labels (exept for explanations). He surely understood what goes on in the world and realised a long time ago, that LOVE is the answer. Nothing more or less. Labels are just no good. And wether someone believes in the Elite running the world or not: it doesn't erase the facts that fundamental freedoms are continously stripped from us with nowadays lousy justifications (their favourite: 'for security reasons'). The constant worldwide Anti-Semitism screamings - IMHO - are simply a tool to keep the people in a state of hate and distrust. I chose to give my impression on David Icke for reasons of explaining but that's it. What difference does it make if republican or democrat anyways? Not one. As the money rules the world. BTW wonderful song of Michael "Money".<br /><br />Love you all :bearhug:
Sometimes these things are just funny to read, that people are so sensetive to these stuff stunnes me.<br />Who cares if a person is a anti semite, that is their problem, who cares if someone is a racist, that is their problem.<br /><br />Society have done a good job so that people always offend eachother without even knowing it and then be called names.<br />If I would say something to offend a jew, then I am a anti semite.<br />If I say something offensive to a black person then I am a racist.<br />If I say something offensive to an overweight person, then I am a bully.<br /><br />Please stop this childish behavior, no wait, not even children do these things because they know better.<br /><br />Stop judging people, calling them names and say that they are this and that when u don't even know the person.
my name is all over scream posts what happened to you?<br /><br />
AKHTONI'S post is very clear, you can't say things like "the jews killed each others and they called it holocaust and put the[size=14pt] whole[/size] blame on hitler" or "I like adolf hitler"
<br /><br /> <br />did I say which side I like in hitler or you just choose the evil side of him?I think he is genius and there is something fascinating (good) in him. or maybe i am evil i like his evil side? and it's not your bussiness if someone say I like a man and because you don't like him means I am wrong and you are right ok.<br /><br />the "whole blame" he didn't do it alone the jews are included we are not stupid to believe it. and it's not your bussiness to make me believe what you want <br /><br />
"when a jew say yes ,I say NO I can't trust them they don't do what they say"
<br /><br />it's clear from a muslim to a jew . and it's me. what's antisimitic here<br /><br />
That is also the reason why it is so important to remember, so saying the Holocaust is just used for political benefits these days is wrong. It happened, if we forget, it's bound to happen again,
<br /><br />like @MissG said it's happennig now in palestine iraq afghanistan and happened before in bosnia. or maybe it's not a holocaust? because they are not jews? they are christians and muslims and don't worry nothing will happen to the jews again since you are controling the world <br /><br />
but you also know that AKHTONI could never post what he or she posted on a German forum. Not because there is no free speech, but because this kind of hate speech is against our laws
<br /><br />and you are controling the media too <br /><br />
Like they blame all Jews for what Isreal does ([size=14pt]I don't agree with a lot that Isreal does[/size], but it's a country first and I don't care that most of the people living there are Jews
<br /><br />the real jews (that i said it's hard to find them) or judaism reject a state to the jews they are not allowed. but you said i don't agree with "alot" what israel does. but you are with israel. means you are not a real jew <br /><br />
what I meant was actually that they don't react with disgust to AKHTONI'S post but instead attack me and just talk about Zionists and the Holocaust industry. Instead of thinking for one moment how a Jew reading AKHTONI'S post must feel.
<br /><br />I like the way you want to put all the members here against me because yi am dangerous . and you the king here. it's the same thing they are using if someone is not good for them he must be banned turn him off <br />that's how they tried to do to michael with false allegations <br /><br />
<br />most of the people in this thread don't even speak out against hate speech.
<br /><br /> :WTF: whene someone talk about the jews means it' antisimitics?<br /><br /><br />one more thing if you think that i will say sorry for what i said you are dreaming <br /><br />I will continue later. <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
<br />AHA yesterday it was locked good that you reopened it <br /><br />I will respond this scream .he think himself something >:(<br />
<br /><br />You can respond, but I will not allow an attack on jews in general, not do I want you to say things like 'I like Hitler'. Not for scream, but for me. The Germans, by order of Hitler, have captured my grandfather in the war. He was beaten so hard that he suffered brain damage and turned blind. He never saw his children and grandchildren. So back off on stuff like that. <br /><br />@Scream, I am giving you ONE more chance to cool down, discuss in a normal way, stop twisting words and let ME handle things here. If that's not possible, I will disable your account for at least a week so you can cool down and actually READ what people are saying here. It seems you are focussing on one member only here to make the whole forum look like Hitler-supporters. Cut it out.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
AKHTONI, you better lower your voice too, or you can cool off a few days as well. This is not going to turn into a muslim vs jew thread, I think that is being fought out enough in real life. So you can continue, but show some FUCKING respect. Both of you. Damnit, is it so hard to discuss with respect here?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
<br />Sometimes these things are just funny to read, that people are so sensetive to these stuff stunnes me.<br />Who cares if a person is a anti semite, that is their problem, who cares if someone is a racist, that is their problem.<br /><br />Society have done a good job so that people always offend eachother without even knowing it and then be called names.<br />If I would say something to offend a jew, then I am a anti semite.<br />If I say something offensive to a black person then I am a racist.<br />If I say something offensive to an overweight person, then I am a bully.<br /><br />Please stop this childish behavior, no wait, not even children do these things because they know better.<br /><br />Stop judging people, calling them names and say that they are this and that when u don't even know the person.<br />
<br /><br />good post<br /><br />one would think that truth with love could equal peace
"The effect of the second war died around 2% of the world's population at the time (about 60 million people), most of them civilians, despite the fact that there are versions more pessimists who say died approximately 70 million people, (61,000,000 of the allies and 12,000,000 of the axis powers)."<br /><br /><br />With this what i am saying is that all human lives are valuable.
And if I'm supposed to respect someone's feelings if the feeling is liking Hitler and hating the Jews,
<br /><br />THIS is twisting words to suit an agenda because NO ONE told you to RESPECT these things, YOU invented that sentiment and then proceeded to become outraged by it. This is why I accuse you of being disingenuous. Before you go off again, I suggest you reread the thread, or actually, READ it, because I assure you, NO ONE told you to respect any one else's sentiment.<br /><br />You can have a respectful debate without respecting your opponent's stance. But the problem is, I don't think you even grasp what the other members are communicating. You seem blinded by your hate and fear. Intelligent people are able to calmly evaluate what is being expressed by the opposition and hold a discussion based on the debate points raised. Respectful discussions push the dialogue forward and benefit us all. Screaming hotheads who put words in people's mouths put all of mankind back a rung or twelve. We are here to discuss the 'what if's' of the world and get closer to the truth by doing so, not to attack each other and wrestle in the mud like pigs.<br /><br />+1 for Souza, because she made the point quite clear.
Scream, <br /><br />You are making massive, sweeping generalisations and ASSumptions of the members of this Forum based on the post of ONE member of this Forum. <br /><br />YOUR posts are VERY offensive to me and probably the MAJORITY of EVERYONE here. YOU do not KNOW the background OF anyone here....so I suggest you shut the f*ck up with your accusations, assumptions and generalisations.<br /><br />I do not agree with what AKHTONI wrote at all. I find it abhorrent and quite frankly revolting. However, your post's imply that because the entire Forum membership has not come here to condemn AKHTONI's filth, we are anti-semitic? <br /><br />YOU are using Front, whoever Front may be, in a weird, twisted guilt trip, smoke em' out manner. You have an agenda, no doubt. YOU are the one that needs to take a look in that mirror and "make that change". <br /><br /><br />
Sigh! I'm all for finding out everyone's honest opinions but it shouldn't apply with certain subjects. There are 3 subjects that should never be discussed in the office...and in this case, on the forum: Race, Religion and Politics. There will only be hurt feelings and misunderstandings.
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.""For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."