<br /><br />No, but someone started a thread on it on the David Icke forum, though it didn't get a lot of traction. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256403 The link they provided was a re-upload from Disclosure TV and it's been viewed by over 42,000. Curious as to why they would re-upload this video as their focus is on extraterrestrial matters.
From facebook of Dieter Wiesner (sorry, don't know how to make and post screenshots):<br /><br />
Dieter Wiesner<br />7 uur geleden<br />'Because of the thousands of mails i got, this will be my statement:<br /><br />Due to the current legal problems I already have with the Michael Jackson Estate in regards to a few Authentic voice messages of Michael I used in my book, my legal counsel has advised me to reserve my comments until the aforementioned is settled.'
<br /><br />No, but someone started a thread on it on the David Icke forum, though it didn't get a lot of traction. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256403 The link they provided was a re-upload from Disclosure TV and it's been viewed by over 42,000. Curious as to why they would re-upload this video as their focus is on extraterrestrial matters. <br />
<br /><br />Project Blue-beam (or something like that) perhaps?
when i first saw the vid it reminded me of mayor in the ghost short movie. i tried to look at his finger nails but couldn't get a long enough look. to me, it seemed deliberate. his eyes are shadowed/darkened making it difficult to get a good look at them. most say they can tell mj by his eyes & nail bed, & he knows this. the vid is wavy & pixelated. i read that the poster joined the hoax forum to post this vid . robt. connors has only this vid posted on his you tube page. it doesn't say when he joined & it usually does. his vid has over 83,000 hits in 2 dys, things that make u go hmmmm.<br /><br />i posted vids earlier that were related to the topics connor spoke of - manipulation of blacks in music (& other areas), mk ultra victims testimonies, & forces beyond this realm. but for some reason it didn't post. my intentions were to give u something to research while waiting for sept 23. each topic he spoke on definitely has some validity to it. should anyone be interested i will look them back up and post again, if not no need in wasting my time
someone mentioned his hands seems off,that was the first thing i thought when i first watched this,another thing i noticed,might be nothing,but from 30 onwards,as you look at him,there seems to be a white patch on his neck,and his eyes,again someone mentioned,dark circles........
<br />[size=12pt]Come On,Seriously!!! It Sounds NOTHING Like Michael, So FAKE!![/size] :thjajaja121:<br />
<br /><br />Seriously or humorously ?? :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: <br />Why is Mike so out of breath though? It sounds like they caught him in the middle of a jog :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:.<br />
<br />Odd that the guy's name is Robert Conners (kind of a blend of ROBERT earl carter and CONRAD murray)! :thjajaja121: And is it me, or does the guy in the video look a lot like Michael with his tongue out as he's getting his Mayor's makeup on from Ghosts? He says he can finally sleep at night? Why not try some propofol!!! :thjajaja121: His hand and head gestures read Michael to me as well.<br /><br />Notice the voice is identified as from michael JOSEPH jackson. <br /><br />And, frankly, it just seems like something Michael would do....just for the FUN of it. I really liked the part when he spoke of forces beyond this realm. :omg:<br />
<br /><br />Gwynned ,I've seen this guy before, but I do not remember where :icon_e_confused: .We have the Joseph thing again, :icon_e_wink: :LolLolLolLol:.Well in a way he is right ,because for the world, Joseph is the one who died ,not Joe lol :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: .<br /> Michael likes to tease us ,so yeah, my ears picked up even more when he mentioned the influence of entities beyond this world :icon_rolleyes: :icon_lol:...<br />However, I do have real doubts about this guy, for example he describes MJ as ''speaking of a government conspiracy to murder him''. And yet in the supposed recording MJ says ''it's not the government''... :icon_e_confused: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:<br />I think this is a hoax but i guess time will tell.<br />
<br />From facebook of Dieter Wiesner (sorry, don't know how to make and post screenshots):<br /><br />
Dieter Wiesner<br />7 uur geleden<br />'Because of the thousands of mails i got, this will be my statement:<br /><br />Due to the current legal problems I already have with the Michael Jackson Estate in regards to a few Authentic voice messages of Michael I used in my book, my legal counsel has advised me to reserve my comments until the aforementioned is settled.'
<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/Wiesnerdieter<br /><br />If it isn't him, then he simply could have denied it. [size=12pt]Is he playing along or what[/size]?<br />
<br /><br /><br />Mmmm ......I think :icon_rolleyes: yes :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: !!!!<br />And you forgot the most important line from his message :<br /><br />
I rearly don't understand much this guy said and i am so :Pulling_hair: that i don't be better in english....<br /><br />I only watch and what i saw is that the head and the arms dosen't figure.<br /><br />The haed Looks a Little bit like the Mayor in Ghosts without hair.<br /><br />Look at the fingers ! The little finger from his left Hand seems to have Arthritis.<br />The arms looking slimmer as you think they look when you watch the head.<br /><br />Can this be Michael ? The voice can be changed and no one would talk against the government or illuminati without disguise if he want to live save.<br /><br />It's only a Intuition that i have when i watch this Video....i took more attension to the Body language because i can't follow what was spoken....<br />He holds his left Hand with his right Hand...same Michael.<br />He incline his head to the left, like Michael and Dave Dave at LK.<br /><br />All Little things and maybee i see ghosts after this Long time.<br /><br />Love to the MJ Family :bearhug:<br />
I saw something more but can't put it in my post before...<br /><br />How he puts his Hands together like praying Hands....it's very typical for Michael and the distance between his eyes and the eye colour.<br /><br />I have only such a Feeling...not so obvious on the first Moment like in the interview with Dave Dave, because they treat here the voice for his savety, but it's there.<br />
<br /><br />i saw that on a believer page...<br /><br /><br />
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<br />I saw something more but can't put it in my post before...<br /><br />How he puts his Hands together like praying Hands....it's very typical for Michael and the distance between his eyes and the eye colour.<br /><br />I have only such a Feeling...not so obvious on the first Moment like in the interview with Dave Dave, because they treat here the voice for his savety, but it's there.<br /><br />
I know it's too much, but i ask for help.....i have rearly Problems to understand....something that starts 1994...i don't know why, but i have tears in my eyes by watching this.<br /><br />If there is a member who has the time.....can anyone please write down what was said ? Then i can translate it to understand....written english isn't such a Problem. I believe that the Video is importent.<br /><br />I would be very thankfull if someone can do this and i am sure not only me .<br /><br />Thanks so much !<br /> :bearhug:
TUESDAY, APRIL 24, 2012<br /><br />"The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation"<br /><br />This anonymous letter landed in my inbox about a minute ago:<br /><br />Hello,<br /><br />After more than 20 years, I've finally decided to tell the world what I witnessed in 1991, which I believe was one of the biggest turning point in popular music, and ultimately American society. I have struggled for a long time weighing the pros and cons of making this story public as I was reluctant to implicate the individuals who were present that day. So I've simply decided to leave out names and all the details that may risk my personal well being and that of those who were, like me, dragged into something they weren't ready for.<br /><br />Between the late 80's and early 90’s, I was what you may call a “decision maker” with one of the more established company in the music industry. I came from Europe in the early 80’s and quickly established myself in the business. The industry was different back then. Since technology and media weren’t accessible to people like they are today, the industry had more control over the public and had the means to influence them anyway it wanted. This may explain why in early 1991, I was invited to attend a closed door meeting with a small group of music business insiders to discuss rap music’s new direction. Little did I know that we would be asked to participate in one of the most unethical and destructive business practice I’ve ever seen.<br /><br />The meeting was held at a private residence on the outskirts of Los Angeles. I remember about 25 to 30 people being there, most of them familiar faces. Speaking to those I knew, we joked about the theme of the meeting as many of us did not care for rap music and failed to see the purpose of being invited to a private gathering to discuss its future. Among the attendees was a small group of unfamiliar faces who stayed to themselves and made no attempt to socialize beyond their circle. Based on their behavior and formal appearances, they didn't seem to be in our industry. Our casual chatter was interrupted when we were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement preventing us from publicly discussing the information presented during the meeting. Needless to say, this intrigued and in some cases disturbed many of us. The agreement was only a page long but very clear on the matter and consequences which stated that violating the terms would result in job termination. We asked several people what this meeting was about and the reason for such secrecy but couldn't find anyone who had answers for us. A few people refused to sign and walked out. No one stopped them. I was tempted to follow but curiosity got the best of me. A man who was part of the “unfamiliar” group collected the agreements from us.<br /><br />Quickly after the meeting began, one of my industry colleagues (who shall remain nameless like everyone else) thanked us for attending. He then gave the floor to a man who only introduced himself by first name and gave no further details about his personal background. I think he was the owner of the residence but it was never confirmed. He briefly praised all of us for the success we had achieved in our industry and congratulated us for being selected as part of this small group of “decision makers”. At this point I begin to feel slightly uncomfortable at the strangeness of this gathering. The subject quickly changed as the speaker went on to tell us that the respective companies we represented had invested in a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our active involvement. He explained that the companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. I remember many of us in the group immediately looking at each other in confusion. At the time, I didn’t know what a private prison was but I wasn't the only one. Sure enough, someone asked what these prisons were and what any of this had to do with us. We were told that these prisons were built by privately owned companies who received funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons. It was also made clear to us that since these prisons are privately owned, as they become publicly traded, we’d be able to buy shares. Most of us were taken back by this. Again, a couple of people asked what this had to do with us. At this point, my industry colleague who had first opened the meeting took the floor again and answered our questions. He told us that since our employers had become silent investors in this prison business, it was now in their interest to make sure that these prisons remained filled. Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice. He assured us that this would be a great situation for us because rap music was becoming an increasingly profitable market for our companies, and as employee, we’d also be able to buy personal stocks in these prisons. Immediately, silence came over the room. You could have heard a pin drop. I remember looking around to make sure I wasn't dreaming and saw half of the people with dropped jaws. My daze was interrupted when someone shouted, “Is this a f****** joke?” At this point things became chaotic. Two of the men who were part of the “unfamiliar” group grabbed the man who shouted out and attempted to remove him from the house. A few of us, myself included, tried to intervene. One of them pulled out a gun and we all backed off. They separated us from the crowd and all four of us were escorted outside. My industry colleague who had opened the meeting earlier hurried out to meet us and reminded us that we had signed agreement and would suffer the consequences of speaking about this publicly or even with those who attended the meeting. I asked him why he was involved with something this corrupt and he replied that it was bigger than the music business and nothing we’d want to challenge without risking consequences. We all protested and as he walked back into the house I remember word for word the last thing he said, “It’s out of my hands now. Remember you signed an agreement.” He then closed the door behind him. The men rushed us to our cars and actually watched until we drove off.<br /><br />A million things were going through my mind as I drove away and I eventually decided to pull over and park on a side street in order to collect my thoughts. I replayed everything in my mind repeatedly and it all seemed very surreal to me. I was angry with myself for not having taken a more active role in questioning what had been presented to us. I'd like to believe the shock of it all is what suspended my better nature. After what seemed like an eternity, I was able to calm myself enough to make it home. I didn't talk or call anyone that night. The next day back at the office, I was visibly out of it but blamed it on being under the weather. No one else in my department had been invited to the meeting and I felt a sense of guilt for not being able to share what I had witnessed. I thought about contacting the 3 others who wear kicked out of the house but I didn't remember their names and thought that tracking them down would probably bring unwanted attention. I considered speaking out publicly at the risk of losing my job but I realized I’d probably be jeopardizing more than my job and I wasn't willing to risk anything happening to my family. I thought about those men with guns and wondered who they were? I had been told that this was bigger than the music business and all I could do was let my imagination run free. There were no answers and no one to talk to. I tried to do a little bit of research on private prisons but didn’t uncover anything about the music business’ involvement. However, the information I did find confirmed how dangerous this prison business really was. Days turned into weeks and weeks into months. Eventually, it was as if the meeting had never taken place. It all seemed surreal. I became more reclusive and stopped going to any industry events unless professionally obligated to do so. On two occasions, I found myself attending the same function as my former colleague. Both times, our eyes met but nothing more was exchanged. <br /><br />As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities.<br /><br />I officially quit the music business in 1993 but my heart had already left months before. I broke ties with the majority of my peers and removed myself from this thing I had once loved. I took some time off, returned to Europe for a few years, settled out of state, and lived a “quiet” life away from the world of entertainment. As the years passed, I managed to keep my secret, fearful of sharing it with the wrong person but also a little ashamed of not having had the balls to blow the whistle. But as rap got worse, my guilt grew. Fortunately, in the late 90’s, having the internet as a resource which wasn't at my disposal in the early days made it easier for me to investigate what is now labeled the prison industrial complex. Now that I have a greater understanding of how private prisons operate, things make much more sense than they ever have. I see how the criminalization of rap music played a big part in promoting racial stereotypes and misguided so many impressionable young minds into adopting these glorified criminal behaviors which often lead to incarceration. Twenty years of guilt is a heavy load to carry but the least I can do now is to share my story, hoping that fans of rap music realize how they’ve been used for the past 2 decades. Although I plan on remaining anonymous for obvious reasons, my goal now is to get this information out to as many people as possible. Please help me spread the word. Hopefully, others who attended the meeting back in 1991 will be inspired by this and tell their own stories. Most importantly, if only one life has been touched by my story, I pray it makes the weight of my guilt a little more tolerable.<br /><br />Thank you.
<br />I know it's too much, but i ask for help.....i have rearly Problems to understand....something that starts 1994...i don't know why, but i have tears in my eyes by watching this.<br /><br />If there is a member who has the time.....can anyone please write down what was said ? Then i can translate it to understand....written english isn't such a Problem. I believe that the Video is importent.<br /><br />I would be very thankfull if someone can do this and i am sure not only me .<br /><br />Thanks so much !<br /> :bearhug:<br />
<br /><br />Yes, that idiot pinky is highly suspicious, I agree. Voice throws you off, but could easily be manipulated. The problem is that we are talking about a bored multi-billionaire here and he can do anything he wants. For us normal idiots it's hard to understand what you can do with $$ like that. It's probably him knowing we can only guess and is probably highly entertained.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
For those of you who can see this video or hear this audio, I just wanted to make you aware of what's going on. I feel if I diseminate this information, I may actually get a night's sleep. I'm showing my face and I will reveal my name for my own protection, so if anything were to happen to me, you know it was not an accident. <br />My name is Robert Connors and I have served with the Department of Defense for over 20 years. Prior to that, I served active duty in both Iran and Vietnam. I have served my country with honor and distinction. My record speaks for itself. As a DOD operative, it was my duty to protect the constitution and mitigate foreign and domestic threats to this country. I joined the department to create a safer world for my children and now grand children. <br />Unfortunately, the last decade of my career, I have seen and been a part of one of the biggest threats to this great nation and it's citizens.<br />In March of 1994, I was brought in as a director of communications for a project called operation sedwick, formed under President Ronald Wilson Reagan in 1989. This program was the 2nd stage in the project called MK Ultra. It's focus and sole purpose was the control of the African American population and urban youth through music. Yes...you heard me correctly....through music.<br />I have in my possession a series of video and audio recordings detailing the existence of this project. My division was ordered to destroy all documentation and archived footage. I in good conscience could not. <br />This is the information that the American public, along with the families involved were told bold faced lies about. From the first degree murder of LeSane Parrish Crooks also known as Tupac Shakur, to the evidence of influence of entities well beyond the federal government, beyond this world will be revealed in these tapes. <br />To my friends still at the department- Please, I repeat please join me. For the bible says Whoever knows the right thing to do but fails to do it- for him it is sin. I can no longer live in sin. So I am giving the department until Monday September the 23rd to do the right thing and disclose this information. If they do not, I will release these tapes to the media outlets and into public domain via You Tube.<br />And to show I am not bluffing, I will release Michael Jackson's final phone call on the eve of his death. Mr Jackson's phone was being tapped and he is speaking of a government conspiracy to murder him.<br />I know this video and this this channel will probably be deleted so I urge you to please save, download and reupload everything that I release for freedom of information sake. <br />God bless you. Thank you for listening and God Bless You All.<br /><br /><br /><br />I haven't got to the actual phone call yet....
Thank you so much RK !!!!! Sending the biggest :bearhug: ever !<br /><br />At the 23.September things will be released ? At that day Katherine has her testimony.....<br /><br />Dieter Wiesner is interesting ! He Comes from Germany, so i surch a Little....4 years ago he hasn't an Office in LA, now he has....now there is no phone number on his Website and no adress, only the mail...<br /><br />4 years ago and nearly the only one he reports on his site is Michael.....same as Tom Meserou ( oh god, how to write his Name...)<br /><br />Michael must trust Dieter very much...Prince was alone with him in Germany....you never give your son in the Hands of a man you don't trust.<br /><br />I am in hurry and have to go now, but this Little things i wanted you to know.<br /><br />Love to you, Special to RK !<br /> :th_bravo:
<br />It's obviously bullshit. Anyone with something to say and who is worried about being censored and removed doesn't start with a teaser trailer with the rest of the info "coming soon!" What, so that TPTB have ample opportunity to remove the tape and him? Dumb. Can't believe anyone is falling for this.<br />
<br /><br />Bec, I thought about that, but with the releasing (legit or not) of the vid, he has also put Wiesner in a difficult position, the man receives thousands of emails and messages on his facebook and I can imagine that people are going to be mad at him for not speaking up. Since Wiesner don't want to comment yet (and thus deny or admit that it was his voice), I doubt that it's fake, especially if it were only an attention-grabbing joke by someone. I think Wiesner immediately would have denied that it were his and Michael's voices then.
<br />Thank you so much RK !!!!! Sending the biggest :bearhug: ever !<br /><br />At the 23.September things will be released ? At that day Katherine has her testimony.....<br /><br />Dieter Wiesner is interesting ! He Comes from Germany, so i surch a Little....4 years ago he hasn't an Office in LA, now he has....now there is no phone number on his Website and no adress, only the mail...<br /><br />4 years ago and nearly the only one he reports on his site is Michael.....same as Tom Meserou ( oh god, how to write his Name...)<br /><br />Michael must trust Dieter very much...Prince was alone with him in Germany....you never give your son in the Hands of a man you don't trust.<br /><br />I am in hurry and have to go now, but this Little things i wanted you to know.<br /><br />Love to you, Special to RK !<br /> :th_bravo:<br />
<br /><br />As far as I know Katherine will NOT be on the stand again on Monday. AEG backed out of that.<br />Instead Mr. Panish announced that he might present closing arguments on Monday. <br /><br />I don´t trust Dieter.<br />He has been fired by Michael and Dieter also sued Michael. All about $<br />Trustworthy friend? Not in my book....
<br />^^^<br />Thriller, I saw that too. But the ears are different. The Robert in the vid has flatter ears, more against his head.<br />
<br /><br />Yes, it is different. There's a slight difference near the eyes too. This guy is from FBI. For some reason reminds me of Marlon's FBI cap.<br /><br />The original guy(with the hair) is no more. Then who is this one from the video? :icon_cool:
btw, from the FB page of Dieter Wiesner: <br /><br />
Because of the thousands of mails i got, this will be my statement:<br /><br />Due to the current legal problems I already have with the Michael Jackson Estate in regards to a few Authentic voice messages of Michael I used in my book, my legal counsel has advised me to reserve my comments until the aforementioned is settled.
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."