<br />So what you are saying is that I shouldn't have expected the Hologram to look like MJ? you know that's not possible. That's the "least" anyone can expect. It can't be termed as over ambitious expectations. We were promised a historic tv event, but it was nothing like that.<br />
<br /><br />I'm sure our reactions to this hologram come from our expectations. I took all the pre-publicity with a pinch of salt. I didn't even watch it till a day or two after it was aired (vids blocked, busy days, sleep!), by which time I'd read all the negative comments, wasn't expecting to see a clear cut MJ and I was pleasantly surprised when I eventually did watch it.<br /><br />Is it possible you got caught up in the hype, 'the historic tv event', and you formed your own (ok, maybe not unreasonable) expectations around it, and since your expectations weren't met, you are stuck and can't see beyond 'it didn't look like MJ'?<br /><br />Have you thought about reasons for why it might not have looked like the MJ you were expecting?<br /><br />What's the worst case scenario? They (no involvement from MJ) used an impersonator to produce a marketing tool for Xscape (that also had no involvement from MJ), to make money? Just sounds like business to me.<br /><br />[size=8pt](I have to also add that 'O2 MJ' didn't look like MJ either! This is nothing new)[/size]<br /><br />
^^^ <br />Curls, u are purely concentrating on the independent reactions of fans and not on what caused it. There indeed was a lot of hype that gave people hope to see Michael Jackson live on stage again, and perhaps for the last time. They also said about the "advanced" technology used in creating such hologram. Most of the people might be aware of the Tupac hologram at Coachella and the Elvis hologram at American Idol, the latter being perfect. When they state advanced technology, expectations do go higher. Now one thing to remember is not everyone has the capacity to take things easily. We are promised one thing and get the other, that's basically cheating. <br /><br />But how can you dismiss it by saying it's just a marketing tool for xscape? It's like agreeing to let people fool you and you are going to be perfectly okay with it. I'd like take example of TS's episode here. He was indeed the driver of the hoax, but what use when he finally said they were all Providences. You clearly were not okay with that. Similarly, Estate/Sony could've simply announced a MJ tribute by an impersonator rather than saying "it's as if he's still alive". <br /><br />The question should not be 'why are you people taking it seriously?', it should be "why aren't you taking it seriously?" Doesn't it bother you when you read how reports on child abuse allegations against Michael by people wanting to make quick cash or how people wait to see/hear/know something but that's not what they get. <br /><br />It's not about whether that hologram is like Michael or not. I am looking way beyond that. It's about trying to know which direction we are heading. I'm asking where is Michael? What is his involvement and why he is letting this happen?
There's a lot I could say in response to your post but I can sum it up by saying its taken me a long time to get to the (hoax) position I am in now, where I'm content to just watch, to 'take things easily' as you put it, and yes, the TS episode was the final piece in recovering perspective and sanity, in learning that others are not always motivated by the same aims and goals as I am. So yes, I have distanced myself in a way from MJ and the hoax, not because I'm not 'taking it seriously', but because I won't be drawn into making hasty assumptions when I simply don't have all the facts ...<br /><br />I want the same as you Thriller - to know what has been MJ's involvement in all things since June 2009, but we're simply never going to know that are we, unless he comes back and honestly tells us?<br /><br />I suggest we let this thread get back on topic now - we've strayed somewhat from the hologram tour!
<br />But curls, we are not asking Michael to perform, are we? we just need him back, happy and healthy and vindicated. If he wants to take entertainment to another level, as he said in his Geraldo Rivera interview, he'll find a way, maybe something better than a just hologram concert. <br /><br />It's a totally different case, if Michael did come back and THEN introduces the hologram concerts. No one should have a problem with that. But if Michael isn't back yet, and the hologram starts off, people are going to have a problem with that. Who's going to assure us that it is Michael behind all of that? Is that assurance worth our trust?<br /><br />wii game is quite a different scenario. People know it isn't Michael. And they aren't expecting anything. Michael album (2010) was different, we wanted to listen to Michael's voice but "breaking news", "monster", and "keep your head up" were sung by someone else. Same goes for the hologram. Most of us wanted to see Michael's face as it is.<br /> <br />Now that's a disappointment.<br />
<br />I really enjoy reading what everyone says, but this is exactly how I feel, but never could come up with as good of a way to express it. Everyone do you think michael is coming back? I gave it hard thought today because this hologram thing really got me thinking who is behind this and why, and I started to loose my beLIEver hope and then I thought and remembered, I thout of how no one is allowed near his resting place and thought of a reason that likely is, because some crazy fan my try an Cray the ground or something similar and see the empty casket and immediately got back to being a beLIEver. Hope all you ladies and gents out there can give your opinion on this theory of mine.<br />
<br />There's a lot I could say in response to your post but I can sum it up by saying its taken me a long time to get to the (hoax) position I am in now, where I'm content to just watch, to 'take things easily' as you put it, and yes, the TS episode was the final piece in recovering perspective and sanity, in learning that others are not always motivated by the same aims and goals as I am. So yes, I have distanced myself in a way from MJ and the hoax, not because I'm not 'taking it seriously', but because I won't be drawn into making hasty assumptions when I simply don't have all the facts ...<br /><br />I want the same as you Thriller - to know what has been MJ's involvement in all things since June 2009, but we're simply never going to know that are we, unless he comes back and honestly tells us?<br /><br />I suggest we let this thread get back on topic now - we've strayed somewhat from the hologram tour!<br />
<br /><br /><br />It’s quite true that distancing from the hoax seems to be the only option left; when in reality it’s the other way round (I’m not going to talk about that now). <br /><br />But to question the overall situation with a tinge of scepticism doesn’t hurt, since we have already been sceptic about a lot of issues in the past. Talking about MJ coming back, what if an impersonator comes back(who some think does look like MJ/ or feel MJ went under the knife yet again). You might be thinking of me as a person with negative thinking, but there indeed is a lot going on right now to which we have no access or the right to know. If I continue this kind of thought pattern and list down all the possible scenarios, then half of the users here might even become non-believers! But all of this doesn't matter, if people wish to buy garbage, who can stop anyone from selling them.<br /><br />Also our discussion was more or less related to the thread, I don’t think we were off-topic at all. <br /><br />Anyways let’s move on.<br /><br />edit:btw don't think of me as a non-believer, i'm only being a hardcore diplomat.
I think Michael will do what he wants:and if he thinks will be the better he will return.<br /><br />But we enjoy the privilege of being here after 5 years. <br /><br /><br />Is a big thing, greatest ... as Michael says we are the world and ,whatever happens, is a great demonstration of loyalty and love.<br /><br /><br />
<br />But curls, we are not asking Michael to perform, are we? we just need him back, happy and healthy and vindicated. If he wants to take entertainment to another level, as he said in his Geraldo Rivera interview, he'll find a way, maybe something better than a just hologram concert. <br /><br />It's a totally different case, if Michael did come back and THEN introduces the hologram concerts. No one should have a problem with that. But if Michael isn't back yet, and the hologram starts off, people are going to have a problem with that. Who's going to assure us that it is Michael behind all of that? Is that assurance worth our trust?<br /><br />wii game is quite a different scenario. People know it isn't Michael. And they aren't expecting anything. Michael album (2010) was different, we wanted to listen to Michael's voice but "breaking news", "monster", and "keep your head up" were sung by someone else. Same goes for the hologram. Most of us wanted to see Michael's face as it is.<br /> <br />Now that's a disappointment.<br />
<br />I really enjoy reading what everyone says, but this is exactly how I feel, but never could come up with as good of a way to express it. Everyone do you think michael is coming back? I gave it hard thought today because this hologram thing really got me thinking who is behind this and why, and I started to loose my beLIEver hope and then I thought and remembered, I thout of how no one is allowed near his resting place and thought of a reason that likely is, because some crazy fan my try an Cray the ground or something similar and see the empty casket and immediately got back to being a beLIEver. Hope all you ladies and gents out there can give your opinion on this theory of mine.<br />
<br /><br />"Everyone do you think michael is coming back?"<br /><br />Personally :icon_geek:??..........mmmm I think not ,sorry ;D .<br />Regarding the violation of the tomb, you can sit peacefully, nobody will do such thing , because people have better things to do .<br />
<br />Hello I have a lot of difficulties understanding when spoken to, so please for that but I can't tell if you understand what I meant, my theory is that Michaels family wants no visitors at his grave is because they are scared that someone will find out Michaels remains are not there, either by xray of the ground or digging up his grave, forgive me for saying such a thing but please think for a moment, what if, if some crazy fan dug his grave and then it was on the news it would be seen by authorities also that there are no remains and so I believe this is why his said grave site is guarded and visitors not allowed.
<br />There will be no world tour IMO.<br /><br />@Suspicious Taluega brothers have been working with MJ already during 20 years:<br /><br />Talauega was 17 when he was discovered, along with his brother Tone, by Michael Jackson’s choreographers – LaVelle Smith and Travis Payne, while they were freestyling at a club in Oakland.<br /><br />http://samoanbios.com/rich-talauega/<br />
<br />this is terrible! is the estate bent upon ruining his legacy!?<br />
<br /><br />Your comment begs the questions: does 'the estate' = Michael? Or is the estate just looking after things as they seem fit while MJ is gone?
The best way (IMO) for the estate to make more money with MJ, is to release albums of his music hidden in vaults more often, or documentaries with footage of MJ, fans haven't seen yet. That's what I'd pay money for, never for a hologram or impersonator, though I plan to see MJ One if/when I go to Vegas.
<br />this is terrible! is the estate bent upon ruining his legacy!?<br />
<br /><br />Your comment begs the questions: does 'the estate' = Michael? Or is the estate just looking after things as they seem fit while MJ is gone?<br />
<br /><br />idk all the answers, but a hologram of an impersonator,a new 'improvised' version of moonwalk, or a world tour is definitely not necessary for a hoax. Logic seems to be the only thing missing in the hoax.<br /><br />BTW, the moonwalk by the hologram at the BBMAs sucked, so maybe they are improving it to be more MJ-like, maybe we misunderstood it to be about completely changing MJ's version of moonwalk.
seems like there would be plenty of other things to do if they just wanted to make money. probably starting with doing whatever is involved in getting neverland and turning it into a tourist attraction. taking all those things that are in storage and putting them on display , selling shirts, mugs card ect. there is footage of the tour performances right they could package those. i know they are probably the things that have already been done with other artist but wouldn't that be much less complicated ? so what is the deal? didn't the survey they took before tii show that what the fans want is what they already know (if that is what did happen? :suspect: :icon_e_confused:)and there wasn't some other reason new material was not part of tii plans then why change it? especially the moonwalk of all things. :Pulling_hair:
<br />seems like there would be plenty of other things to do if they just wanted to make money. ..... that be much less complicated ? <br />
<br /><br />I think this is a good point - why bother with ground breaking technology if it's just about making money and giving the fans what they want - which seems to be more music and video footage of MJ? Why would the estate make work for themselves?<br /><br />Which is partly the reason I asked the question: does 'the estate' = MJ?<br /><br />Is this what he wants to do/experiment with and maybe see what genuine reaction it gets, without people knowing he's behind it and then saying how wonderful it is just because it's him. Nothing to do with the hoax, in itself, just stuff he's doing while he's away. <br /><br />Thriller, we talked about this before in this thread and I know we see things differently here, so I don't want to rehash all that again. I certainly don't claim to have all the answers either, which is why I don't jump to hasty conclusions.
Neither did I jump to any hasty conclusion when I said the estate is ruining MJ's legacy, it was my opinion, a very basic comment, which might eventually prove wrong with some outstanding or a groundbreaking achievement with the hologram technology, or might prove right if things go wrong. So what are you talking about?
ummm from what i gather a good portion of fans are anti estate already. so would they go for a mj that wasn't him and a change in something so iconic? and there was a statement there something to the effect of there not being a lot of footage of mj doing the moonwalk. reeeaaaly? <br /><br />has anyone seen yet what the fan reaction is to this concept? from the artificial the family has reacted to a degree. katherine and children on the fence. (could that translate to backed against a wall? idk). another thing where did the pic come from that they used? <br /><br />just thought of something . remember all the discussion about the billie jean changes in performance in tii . tells me people probably won't tolerate it very well. perhaps they took to slave to the rhythm because they had not formerly seen it done by the man himself.
<br /><br />Just read my posts, Thriller. I think I've made my position clear. If not, then I apologise for not expressing myself well. Like I said, I'm not going there again.<br /><br />
<br />seems like there would be plenty of other things to do if they just wanted to make money. ..... that be much less complicated ? <br />
<br /><br />I think this is a good point - why bother with ground breaking technology if it's just about making money and giving the fans what they want - which seems to be more music and video footage of MJ? Why would the estate make work for themselves?<br /><br />[size=14pt]Which is partly the reason I asked the question: does 'the estate' = MJ?[/size]<br /><br />Is this what he wants to do/experiment with and maybe see what genuine reaction it gets, without people knowing he's behind it and then saying how wonderful it is just because it's him. Nothing to do with the hoax, in itself, just stuff he's doing while he's away. <br /><br />Thriller, we talked about this before in this thread and I know we see things differently here, so I don't want to rehash all that again. I certainly don't claim to have all the answers either, which is why I don't jump to hasty conclusions.<br />
[size=14pt]boy do i ever have trouble making up my mind on this one :-[[/size]
<br /><br />Just read my posts, Thriller. I think I've made my position clear. If not, then I apologise for not expressing myself well. Like I said, I'm not going there again.<br />
<br /><br />You asked me whether 'the estate' equates to MJ, to which I answered, "I don't know" and you then said that since you too didn't know all the answers, you'd never take the risk of jumping to hasty conclusions.<br /><br />The next question is; am I jumping to hasty conclusions?<br /><br />I hold a very strong opinion about the whole "hologram" episode. If you don't think so, it's fine. If you don't hold any opinion, that's fine too. But just because I've been very adamant about repeatedly expressing what I thought, doesn't make an impulsive person.<br /><br />We are just going around in circles. We clearly don't hold the same opinion, which shouldn't be a big deal to both of us. <br /><br />So let's just move on, shall we?
<br />Well, i think that if Michael is behind this hologram world tour it is going to be something spectacular and it's gonna take to whole new level. Xscape album had so much more movie soundtrack likeness that it is reasonable to assume that it's been made by purpose and there is going to be some extraordinary hologram(or whatever)show around it. This is quite genious actually, why to risk his life and to the hard tour performing live when he can do a perfect show (as a perfectionist) and use technologien that showbiz haven't already used thousand times. He was after directing, maybe this is it. I'm waiting with positive vibes!<br /><br />(let's not tease him anymore with the old man moves talk ;D)<br />
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