Let's Go Back To The 911 Call
rowdyangel
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Here is an interesting comparison.
Remember the questions about the 911 call dispatcher hanging up before the paramedics arrived at Carolwood Drive?? I think we all came to the unanimous conclusion that it is NOT the norm for the dispatcher to hang up before the paramedics arrive so take a look at this part of the 911 call from 25th June:
DISPATCH: We're on our way, we're on our way. I'm just passing these questions on to paramedics who are on their way there.
CALLER: Thank you, sir. He's pumping, he's pumping his chest, but he's not responding to anything, sir. Please.
DISPATCH: OK, we're on our way. We're less than a mile away. We'll be there shortly.
CALLER: Thank you, sir. Thank you.
DISPATCH: OK, sir. Call us back if you need anything else.
CALLER: Yes, sir.
Compare it to this part of the 911 call made following Tiger Woods car crash outside his own home:
Caller: We're just trying get the police here right now. We don't know what happened. We're figuring that out right now. I'm on the phone with the police right now.
Dispatcher 2: Your phone's breaking up. Can you hear me though, sir?
Caller: Yes.
Dispatcher 2: While we have paramedics on the way, I'm just gonna stay on the phone with you. If you find out further just let me know. I'm going to stay on the phone, OK?
Caller: Hello.
Dispatcher 2: I'm here.
Caller: Yes.
Dispatcher 2: OK. We got paramedics on the way, but I'm going to stay on the phone in case you find out further.
Notice the difference? Now I appreciate that one call was in LA and the other in Florida but I am certain that the procedure is the same regardless of which State you're in.
Just further proof that the 911 call on 25th June is a load of hocum!! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Remember the questions about the 911 call dispatcher hanging up before the paramedics arrived at Carolwood Drive?? I think we all came to the unanimous conclusion that it is NOT the norm for the dispatcher to hang up before the paramedics arrive so take a look at this part of the 911 call from 25th June:
DISPATCH: We're on our way, we're on our way. I'm just passing these questions on to paramedics who are on their way there.
CALLER: Thank you, sir. He's pumping, he's pumping his chest, but he's not responding to anything, sir. Please.
DISPATCH: OK, we're on our way. We're less than a mile away. We'll be there shortly.
CALLER: Thank you, sir. Thank you.
DISPATCH: OK, sir. Call us back if you need anything else.
CALLER: Yes, sir.
Compare it to this part of the 911 call made following Tiger Woods car crash outside his own home:
Caller: We're just trying get the police here right now. We don't know what happened. We're figuring that out right now. I'm on the phone with the police right now.
Dispatcher 2: Your phone's breaking up. Can you hear me though, sir?
Caller: Yes.
Dispatcher 2: While we have paramedics on the way, I'm just gonna stay on the phone with you. If you find out further just let me know. I'm going to stay on the phone, OK?
Caller: Hello.
Dispatcher 2: I'm here.
Caller: Yes.
Dispatcher 2: OK. We got paramedics on the way, but I'm going to stay on the phone in case you find out further.
Notice the difference? Now I appreciate that one call was in LA and the other in Florida but I am certain that the procedure is the same regardless of which State you're in.
Just further proof that the 911 call on 25th June is a load of hocum!! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Comments
Thus no orderlies / doctors would act.... Certainly not. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
No professional people action / governance so.
And one made Dr. Murray, the man everything wrong what only wrong can do .... what should be for a doctor?
You are so right this sound like a plot to a film, it may be a film called...
"The Life,Death and Resurection of The King Of Pop."
Also, red flags should have definitely been raised in the operator's mind when he was told that CPR was being performed on a bed. that's ridiculous!
if this call was real, then i would be very afraid to call 911 in that area, thats for sure!
Looooots of sence!!!!
I absolutely agree with you!
Exactly!!!!! You took the words right out of my mouth <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
A cardiologist performing CPR on a bed.... I'm sorry <!-- s
I sent this email to mjfanforeverandaday last night in response to her part 6 video 911 call (prt 2):
Can't believe I am just researching this! I was so upset at what SEEMED to be a departure from proper 911 procedure! Turns out it's standard procedure! Please don't be turned off by the length, most of it is quotes! <!-- s
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Good Day,
(lol, it's night here) I first off want to say that I enjoy your videos. I was watching them over again this evening, when I decided to check something- I don't recall if you addressed it again in any of your videos, but since I believe that you are after the truth I just wanted to point out to you that some of the things that you found "off" in the 911 call are actually standard procedure. Here is a website that you can check: <!-- m -->http://www.nccfire.com/911_procedures.htm<!-- m --> I have also checked other websites and they basically say the same thing, I chose this one because it was the only one I could find about those procedures in the state of California. Even though I am aware that this is the Nevada County Fire District , as I said other websites confirm these procedures.
It shows that dispatchers are expected to ask the caller for a contact number ( I found this strange also! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> however, I read on another site that it is because some people call from cellphone- maybe not all cellphone have GPS?). The second point is that the caller is expected to remain on the line until the dispatcher tells you to hang up: "Once the call is transferred to CDF, the dispatcher will gather information, including the nature and location of the emergency, your name and callback number, and any other helpful information. Typically, after the information is gathered, the dispatcher will have the caller hang up the phone. If you are in need of additional medical assistance (i.e.: performing CPR, control bleeding, etc.), CDF dispatchers are trained in Emergency Medical Dispatching, and they will remain on the line to assist you further". ......Remember that a "doctor" was present and therefore had a higher authority in MJ's case
In addition the site also says that "two or more dispatchers will monitor your call. While one dispatcher is talking to the caller, the other dispatcher is dispatching the information into the computer system, which will advise which resources to send to the emergency. This speeds up the dispatch process, which allows you to receive emergency assistance in minutes.". This may explain ONE of the other voices on the tape...excepting of course what SOUNDS like...can't be sure "he's dead". To be honest I didn't hear that until you put it in my head!!! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->'
I am not sure if the noise that sounds like a voice on the two separate occasions- after "CPR, ok" and "he's dead(?)", (except Dr. Murray sounding panicky) is the same voice or they belong to two different persons. I am trying to get a friend who works in a studio to help me to figure this out!
I hope this helps!
P.S.- This is her video in case anyone was interested in watching it again: <!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/user/MJFanFOREVE ... V3SUhM1uVI<!-- m -->
As others have mentioned in this thread, it wouldn't make a difference if there was a doctor on the scene or not. There is no way to verify that Dr. Conrad Murray is really licensed or not. Typical 911 protocol says that the dispatcher is not supposed to hang up with the caller until help arrives.
It IS possible that this could be a mistake on the dispatcher's part [ANYTHING is possible at this point], but probable? No, I think not.
If this was a mistake, would they at least acknowledge it?
Okay i hope you understand what i'm writing.. I'm making christmas cookies and they are almost burned <!-- s
IMO, the operator had to ask for the doc to take the phone.
But why would anyone call 911 for help and then lie about there being a doctor with them? I don't understand the reasoning.