I started this thread because I had been wondering for a long time that wha exactly were the chances of Michael Jackson being murdered in case this were not a hoax. And if that was so, then what could be the events that have occurred in h past 7 months that could contradict the murder theory?
So far, the only thing that contradicts it is the way the Conrad Murray case is being handled. I mean, everyone is so freaking flaccid! Its like no ones bothered at all!
The way he is being protected is what bothers me.......
Plus that e-mail exchanged between Mo and the Coroner where he says that Micahel Jackson's death certificate is bogus and that signing it would amount to fraud.
Apart from that every other aspect of the hoax could be the handiwork of either AEG or MJ himself......
I say AEG COULD be manipulating us.....COULD.....just a possibility....
Heres why:
1.AEG and SONY offer Murray a deal of a lifetime and he knows that he will get what he is promised because if he doesnt get his share, he is gonna tell all of it to the police.
Then, Murray or some other guy takes MJ down and all the drama begins.
2.The brothers who have been eating off MJ's hands for years now, are made to see the shinier side of the coin...and they agree to join in...knowing, once again that their promises will be kept....Same for the dancers...Because AEG and SONY needs them to maintain their silence.
They are asked to make all these weird slip-ups....Just to get the thing going...Becasue they know that there WILL be fans who will think this to be a hoax....and delve into it.....And so these people go about acting NUTS leading us all to believe that MJ is alive and the family is protecting him and sending us messages.
The thing that contradicts the second point is Janet....She is not the type of girl who would transform into this money-hungry bitch.....No....she wouldnt do that to MJ.But who knows? A lotta people who claimed to have been close to MJ have betrayed MJ over the years....It wouldnt surprise me if she did.
3.Others like LIz Taylor and McCulkin are kept in the dark...They dont know anything about it.....So is Katherine.
4.FOR THE HOAX BELIEVERS :The weirdness in the Movie, The BAM statement, The "I am alive forever" thing, could have been done by AEG-sony , because they are the ones pulling the strings if MJ is dead. They know we will pick these up as potential clues and start investigating......They've got us HOOKED into this, and they know we wont let go until HE shows up.
Release stuff like "Fake ambulance pics,,,Fake 911 call...." into the media to gt us further assured that we were right all along.....And we follow this with rejuvenated interest.
5.FOR THE NON BELEIVERS: They have got the attention of the hoax believer community.....Now they know veryone wont buy the story o MJ being alive, SO to trap the non-believers, they create this gigantic MIX-UP in the TRIALS....."Murray will face murder charges...."Murray will surrender today" ....."Murray surrender postponed"......"Murray will face manslughter charge"...."Murray surrender postponed again"....."Murray's lawyer says he has no idea of whats going on"....."DA says no case against Murray"....and so on.....
..Murray's out on bail and they keep postponing the trial thing forever. This fuels anger among MJ fans who believe that hes gone. So, in an emotional fit, they hit the Record stores with a vengeance (JUST LIKE AFTER JUNE 25), just to show their SUPPORT......Further sales, Further profit!
They keep delaying the whole thing givin gone excuse after the other...ANd no ones gonna ask them either, coz they are not answerable to the media in this case. Simply because they are still clean in the public eye...They have made the general public feel that they have nothing to do with all of this.....And that they are TRYING TO PRESERVE HIS LEGACY BY DOING ALL THESE AUTOGRAPH SIGNING EVENTS.....MEMORABILLIA EXHIBITION.....AUCTIONS and so on.
6.Now that they have all the attentioin they need, they can keep releasing previously unreleased stuff in the form of new posthumous albums.......FURTHER PROFIT.
When SONY-AEG have dug enough gold..with the Jackson brothers have had enough publicity to earn them selves an occassional place at some Talent hunt contest on TV.....Plus innumerable appearances on the red carpet......When all the loot has been taken
Then Murray gets charge with Manslaughter-- No Problem for him coz he's fine as long as he has his money----People celebrate and finally the hysteria dies down.
NOTE: I DO NOT MEAN TO , IN ANY WAY, DISCARD THE POSSIBILITY OF MJ BEING BEHIND THE HOAX.....I AM JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT IF AEG-SONY WERE BEHIND THIS, THIS IS HOW THEY'D PROBABLY DO IT.
Let me start by saying I'm a life-long fan, had tix for TII London, and *hope* that this is a hoax and MJ is going to blow us away when all is revealed.
However, knowing his brilliant mind and calculated moves as a world-class entertainer, it's obvious to me that someone like MJ would have had something planned in the event anything ever happened to him. Think about it. He would instinctively know that there would be a certain percentage of folks who would cry hoax no matter the circumstances - that's human nature, right? With a little bit of help, some good planning, and some extra footage here and there, the hoax crowd could be wooed indefinitely and strung along with bits and pieces of planted information. I wouldn't be shocked at all if MJ had filmed a mock funeral, etc. for this exact purpose. Point being, MJ is the kind of person who was very conscious of his place in entertainment history, determined to cement himself as the greatest of all time (which he undoubtedly IS, IMO) and this doesn't necessarily mean it was a last minute hoax strung together randomly with or without anyone else's conscious participation. I'd almost bet this life after death thing was a conscious decision made years ago in the event of his passing.
With no disrespect implied, there WERE signs that MJ was tired of what his life had become. He was a victim of his own eccentricities - much like the FEAR article states. Is there any chance that he was ready to leave this world? I would be much more inclined to believe this scenario over murder.
Regardless of how it happened, *if it happened*, AEG is a huge conglomerate full of creative people. Of course they're going to milk every penny out of all of this, with MJ's help or not. That's what they do, right? And as far as his family goes, I'm not sure that any of them have the smarts to be "in" on something. My take is that they're (sadly) using all of this as a vehicle to promote their own self-interests - which is what entertainer's do, right? And that is more of a commentary on the decline of society and our values more than anything else.
I don't know. I hope I'm wrong. And I'm seriously not trying to be a negative Ned. Just sharing my thoughts as I try to find the truth that works for me.
Again, I would love if MJ was playing us all and on the verge of teaching the whole world something about love, respect, and integrity -all things the world is sorely missing these days.
AEG stood to make significantly more money from a completed concert series spanning 7-8 months then from an untimely death without completeing even a single performance, which could have been taped and sold and would have presented much better then "rehearsal" footage.
Liberian girl theme was under control of the Jackson family only.
You would have to believe the entire Jackson family are psychopatic crazies with no emotion and worse, agreed to go along with the entire charade surrounding their dead family member. INCLUDING Paris, an 11yo girl, who shed not a single tear at the memorial.
5000 or so odd hoax believers aren't a big enough demographic to bother with.
If this was a corporate hoax the clues would be significantly more obvious and plentiful. You wouldn't have to do serious research to uncover them all, they'd jump right out and bite you.
How about hiring some creative writers for the purpose?.....They can be found in plenty IMO.....
IMO Making profits out of an unfinished concert is very easy.....because the very feeling that it was MJ and THE MAN was about to return but "his life got tragically cut short" stuff kindles the nostalgia and a sense of unfulfilment in people.....So, basically , people will never wanna let go and so AEG-SONY have bought themselves potential customers for the next few months...the same timeline for which the concerts would have happened....The plan would be to keep rekindling that feeling of unfulfilment again and again through these exhibitions and autograph signing sessoins and all. All these things provides them with a big window to sell a lotta merchandise....auction some of them off....Even make stuff that wasnt part of the orginal TII Concerts and sell them off as a part of TII merchandise for some extra profit.
I dont expect emotions from the brothers if they were a part of AEG' scheme.....A far as the children are concerned...well, what can I say? If one tries to analyze their reaction on this forum, one gets bashed up by other members. So I left that out while writing this.
I did mention a possible way to manipulate the non believers.......
(a) Either incline them to believing by releasing stuff like "Fake 911 call detected"
"Fake ambulance call detected".....This increases the traffic to hoax forums lik these..
(b) Keep the Murray trial alive and ticking for at least a few months......Which keeps the bitter feeling alive andd culminates in people findind it hard to resist buying some MJ stuff anywhere.....
Look, I am not saying that THIS is what HAS happened....I am just trying to weigh the possible options.....And even I mentioned in my post that there are facts that contradict AEG-SONY manipulation......I am jut trying to think how things would turn out if HE were really a victim of these corporate heavyweights.
But all siblings acting strangely, they are paying for, I believe, and Michael's mother said nothing. And if true, is more people believe to have died than those who do not believe it. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
I have a feeling there are a lot more people that believe it is a hoax rather than a murder. Just about anyone I have talked to about it suspects something isn't right about the whole thing. The last poll I saw taken was 78% believed he was still alive. They may not be a part of this forum, but there are others out there doing their own individual research and questioning.
I know not everyone buys into the Illuminati theory, but if they are involved there is not telling what their motives could be for the hoax.
Well does'nt mystery and intrigue keep Michaels name on your lips. One side says one thing and the other side says something different. Total contradictions !! So either, they want to keep our interest and/or to be involved to keep Michaels name alive. Or either they want tomake everything so complex that we will eventually give up. Me, I think they want to keep the mystery alive, which in turn keeps us interested In MJ which in their eyes will also keep us as cash customers. I mean look at all qof the sites created some by Sony, after MJ's death. The more people who vist these sites the more money they make, Look at the advertisements on ntheses sites. So it is in their best interest to keep the hoax thoughts going.
Let me start by saying I'm a life-long fan, had tix for TII London, and *hope* that this is a hoax and MJ is going to blow us away when all is revealed.
However, knowing his brilliant mind and calculated moves as a world-class entertainer, it's obvious to me that someone like MJ would have had something planned in the event anything ever happened to him. Think about it. He would instinctively know that there would be a certain percentage of folks who would cry hoax no matter the circumstances - that's human nature, right? With a little bit of help, some good planning, and some extra footage here and there, the hoax crowd could be wooed indefinitely and strung along with bits and pieces of planted information. I wouldn't be shocked at all if MJ had filmed a mock funeral, etc. for this exact purpose. Point being, MJ is the kind of person who was very conscious of his place in entertainment history, determined to cement himself as the greatest of all time (which he undoubtedly IS, IMO) and this doesn't necessarily mean it was a last minute hoax strung together randomly with or without anyone else's conscious participation. I'd almost bet this life after death thing was a conscious decision made years ago in the event of his passing.
With no disrespect implied, there WERE signs that MJ was tired of what his life had become. He was a victim of his own eccentricities - much like the FEAR article states. Is there any chance that he was ready to leave this world? I would be much more inclined to believe this scenario over murder.
Regardless of how it happened, *if it happened*, AEG is a huge conglomerate full of creative people. Of course they're going to milk every penny out of all of this, with MJ's help or not. That's what they do, right? And as far as his family goes, I'm not sure that any of them have the smarts to be "in" on something. My take is that they're (sadly) using all of this as a vehicle to promote their own self-interests - which is what entertainer's do, right? And that is more of a commentary on the decline of society and our values more than anything else.
I don't know. I hope I'm wrong. And I'm seriously not trying to be a negative Ned. Just sharing my thoughts as I try to find the truth that works for me.
Again, I would love if MJ was playing us all and on the verge of teaching the whole world something about love, respect, and integrity -all things the world is sorely missing these days.
AEG stood to make significantly more money from a completed concert series spanning 7-8 months then from an untimely death without completeing even a single performance, which could have been taped and sold and would have presented much better then "rehearsal" footage.
Liberian girl theme was under control of the Jackson family only.
You would have to believe the entire Jackson family are psychopatic crazies with no emotion and worse, agreed to go along with the entire charade surrounding their dead family member. INCLUDING Paris, an 11yo girl, who shed not a single tear at the memorial.
5000 or so odd hoax believers aren't a big enough demographic to bother with.
If this was a corporate hoax the clues would be significantly more obvious and plentiful. You wouldn't have to do serious research to uncover them all, they'd jump right out and bite you.
I THINK BOTH MJ AS WELL AS AEG R BEHIND THIS HOAX CAUSE SINCE MJ'S DEATH THERE R SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES N WEIRD THINGS GOING ON.. D.C TO AMBULANCE PIC TO 911 CALL , MAINLY FAMILY HINTS BEING THROWN TO PUBLIC.. IN MJ DRIVING LICENSE , MIDDLE NAME WAS JOE N IN 2003 TRIAL DOCUMENTS IT IS JOE AGAIN WHICH I HAVE SEEN SOMEWHERE... N WHY THE HELL HIS NAME BECOMES JOSEPH IN D.C ......... THE AMBULANCE PIC WAS AGAIN CONFIRMED FAKE BY OXMAN THE FAMILY LAWYER.. IF MJ WAS REALLY MURDERED , THE FAMILY WOULD HAD ACTED DIFFERENTLY , BUT NOT LIKE THIS. IF WE THINK ABOUT THE MURRAY THINK ,IT LOOKS MORE LIKE HIDE AND SEEK GAME TO ME THAN MURDER TRIAL N I THINK THEY R JUST USING HIM. LIKE SOMEONE SAID AEG N SONY WOULD NEVER PROFIT FROM HAVING MINORITY OF US BELIEVING THAT THIS IS A HOAX. WHAT I MEAN IS THIS IS JUST A HOAX N ALL THE CHARACTERS INVOLVED R JUST ACTORS NOTHING ELSE... I THINK MJ IS BEHIND ALLTHIS... HE IS MASTER OF THE GAME..........
How about hiring some creative writers for the purpose?.....They can be found in plenty IMO.....
IMO Making profits out of an unfinished concert is very easy.....because the very feeling that it was MJ and THE MAN was about to return but "his life got tragically cut short" stuff kindles the nostalgia and a sense of unfulfilment in people.....So, basically , people will never wanna let go and so AEG-SONY have bought themselves potential customers for the next few months...the same timeline for which the concerts would have happened....The plan would be to keep rekindling that feeling of unfulfilment again and again through these exhibitions and autograph signing sessoins and all. All these things provides them with a big window to sell a lotta merchandise....auction some of them off....Even make stuff that wasnt part of the orginal TII Concerts and sell them off as a part of TII merchandise for some extra profit.
I dont expect emotions from the brothers if they were a part of AEG' scheme.....A far as the children are concerned...well, what can I say? If one tries to analyze their reaction on this forum, one gets bashed up by other members. So I left that out while writing this.
I did mention a possible way to manipulate the non believers.......
(a) Either incline them to believing by releasing stuff like "Fake 911 call detected"
"Fake ambulance call detected".....This increases the traffic to hoax forums lik these..
(b) Keep the Murray trial alive and ticking for at least a few months......Which keeps the bitter feeling alive andd culminates in people findind it hard to resist buying some MJ stuff anywhere.....
Look, I am not saying that THIS is what HAS happened....I am just trying to weigh the possible options.....And even I mentioned in my post that there are facts that contradict AEG-SONY manipulation......I am jut trying to think how things would turn out if HE were really a victim of these corporate heavyweights.
OK, so if Michael was victim of corporate heavyweights and their hoax setup, then what is keeping the two Reverands, Jesse and Al quiet? These religious men are being paid off too? I really don't think so. They would be loudmouthing everywhere! Good theory though, but what do you have to say about the "Two Rev's"??? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Sometimes I do get the feeling that we are being manipulated by AEG in various ways.....Maybe that PAINS thing at the memorial was an unreleased version of the Will U B There song that SONY had access to and fetched it just for the sake of creating this premeditated hoax......And got rid of Michael Jackson?
And buried the truth under a pile of money?
Maybe SONY is purposefully releasing unreleased songs of MJ so that they can evaluate wether a NEW Michael Jackson album containing unreleased stuff is REALLY gonna sell or not....Or to what extent.
Maybe the brothers have been paid off.....to behave erratically and do so intentionally.....Just to keep the buzz going, so that in case a new Micahel Jackson album releases containing unreleased stuff, it isnt short of some ADDITIONAL publicity....because MJ's name will generate publicity enough.....
Maybe TIAI is also their creation......
Maybe Conrad Murray was jusT in the wrong place at the wrong time?......And now has no way to defend himself?
BUT THE ONE THING THAT STANDS IN WAY OF THIS THEORY IS CONRAD MURRAY'S DEFENSE.... FROM WHERE IS HE PAYING FOR 4 LAWYERS! ?
AEG AND SONY CANT PROTECT A MAN UNNECESSARILY FOREVER!.....PLUS IF AEG AND SONY WERE INVOLVED, MURRAY WOULD TELL THE TRUTH IF ARRESTED......HE WOULD DISCLOSE DETAILS OF AEG'S INVOLVEMENT.......
So therefore the "OMG AEG Killed MJ Theory doesnt stand the test of contradictions...."
....Which brings us to only one conclusion
" Michael Jackson's This Is It.......Like You Have Never Seen Him Before....."
And please, Dont involve CLAIRVOYANTS and PHSYCIC shit . We've all played those Tarot cards and crystal ball games before
umm.. well the thing is this is odd right I dont share some point of view but it is your opinion well I'm really concerned with Murray whatever happens we must find the truth furthermore if it will hurt
Hey, I think I made it clear that I was just exploring a possibility....This necessaarily wouldnt have happened and I am not trying to hammer or impose my theory into your brains...Like all other theories, this one too has pitfalls.
I am inclined more towards the DEA theory though.....Thats one theory thats still valid.
I believe Mj has set this hoax up with a whole of faith needed for the fans to see him behind it all. I believe only a genius heart of love could be this creative, complex and motivated. MJ has cryptically put the hoax in his songs for years.All of his family, children, associates, staff can't all be so money hungry or quietly go along, that they would go against him collectively. Michael was not forcably hurried to complete the Dome project, the Fated book, the TII concert rehearsals in HD, completed a week or so just before he died, rather he was completing before the hoax deadline. Where is the film project with surprises he promised Geraldo a couple of years ago? Where's the Ghost ll Paris said she wanted to act in . Like someone said on another thread we're all in live 4D Thriller ll and Ghost ll. To truly know Michael is to believe him in this. Like Light man he is slowly being reavealed to us. In our investigation we are getting to know the good and "bad" and incredible detail about his life, on full display, more than almost any person has been examined, sort of like the Truman Show movie, and like Jim Carey did he figured everything out and broke free and the world loved him and cheered. Just my reaction <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
What exactly would they gain from us believing he's still alive? I could see the logic in them wanting him dead, but why go through all the trouble of making a few believe otherwise?
The more that Mj is on people's mind {intrigue } the more they buy the Cds ,the movie ,the Mj related products ,Tv specials ,book deals etc , Some people that were not interested in MJ before he died, are now interested "because of the Hoax " see how that leads to MONEY !And there are way more than a few people that think Mj faked his death . I saw a poll somewhere that said something like 75% of the people that took the poll think Mj is alive .
OK, so if Michael was victim of corporate heavyweights and their hoax setup, then what is keeping the two Reverands, Jesse and Al quiet? These religious men are being paid off too? I really don't think so. They would be loudmouthing everywhere! Good theory though, but what do you have to say about the "Two Rev's"??? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Maybe ,it is Fear that keeps them quiet . Why did Mariah Cary say that she did not say those things to Mj that he said ,she said about Tommy Matolla {killer thriller speech} Fear ? I saw a video of Kanye on ,I think it was DR Freemason on U-tube ,talking about how hes" sold his soul to the devil "{ he has Bob Dylan on there too } and that artist were too concerned with money and" losing they houses "They are afraid someone might ,say....... Accuse them of something they did not do, to destroy their ability to earn Money . Like they did with MJ ,by conspiring to accuse Mj of child molestation .Interesting ,that one of the few people {Evan Chandaler } That may have had answers as to who else was involved with him {taped phone conversation } winds up dead . Jordie was just a kid ,so he is probably safe . The Arviso broad was just stupid and weak and easily manipulated ,of course they knew this ahead of time from Leno ,Tucker ,Lopez . And then suddenly after she speaks to the same Lawyer & therapist used in the Chandaler case ,she decides ,coincidentally , that Mj is a child molester . Conspiracy all the way . Maybe it is both Fear and money . But Fear is a driving force that makes people do things they would NEVER do otherwise . Fear is stronger than money { 911 ,terror ,terror , terror . Terror is what caused congress & the American <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> people to give up their rights ! {see Patriot Act } and what helped drive that terror ? MEDIA ,mostly owned by the power elite !!! What a coincidink !
I believe Mj has set this hoax up with a whole of faith needed for the fans to see him behind it all. I believe only a genius heart of love could be this creative, complex and motivated. MJ has cryptically put the hoax in his songs for years.All of his family, children, associates, staff can't all be so money hungry or quietly go along, that they would go against him collectively. Michael was not forcably hurried to complete the Dome project, the Fated book, the TII concert rehearsals in HD, completed a week or so just before he died, rather he was completing before the hoax deadline. Where is the film project with surprises he promised Geraldo a couple of years ago? Where's the Ghost ll Paris said she wanted to act in . Like someone said on another thread we're all in live 4D Thriller ll and Ghost ll. To truly know Michael is to believe him in this. Like Light man he is slowly being reavealed to us. In our investigation we are getting to know the good and "bad" and incredible detail about his life, on full display, more than almost any person has been examined, sort of like the Truman Show movie, and like Jim Carey did he figured everything out and broke free and the world loved him and cheered. Just my reaction <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I like your Truman Show comparism. It really is how it feels, but reversed. In the movie everybody knew that it was all a show and fake but Truman. When he decided to really follow his heart and found the strenght to face his fears he found the truth.
In this case, the whole world is Truman. And the message is to L.O.V.E. and to follow your heart, that's when you find the truth.
You bring up some interesting observations. Some time ago I was having a conversation with a non-believer. He is open to listen when I discuss the MJ case without judgement. He posed a question that still has me thinking about it to this day. He asked if it were possible that the hoax itself could be a hoax. Afterall a fake hoax could revive a massive interest in Michael and set the stage for lots of people to make money from Michael's legacy. He posed the question after we had discussed the revolving door that exists for MJ's employees i.e. Frank DeLeo, John Branca, Grace Rwamba, Karen Faye etc.
Hoaxing a hoax. That is indeed interesting.
Too bad the behaviour of the family -to me- is proof that he is alive. Even if they were in on hoaxing the hoax, they would still be grieving and showing pain. (Which they clearly are not.)
I enjoy this. It's good to kick around ideas that are outside of the box. Expands your brain and widens your foundation of thought. Please do not misinterpret my post as dissent, I simply enjoy the debate. Thanks for posting.
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So far, the only thing that contradicts it is the way the Conrad Murray case is being handled. I mean, everyone is so freaking flaccid! Its like no ones bothered at all!
The way he is being protected is what bothers me.......
Plus that e-mail exchanged between Mo and the Coroner where he says that Micahel Jackson's death certificate is bogus and that signing it would amount to fraud.
Apart from that every other aspect of the hoax could be the handiwork of either AEG or MJ himself......
I say AEG COULD be manipulating us.....COULD.....just a possibility....
Heres why:
1.AEG and SONY offer Murray a deal of a lifetime and he knows that he will get what he is promised because if he doesnt get his share, he is gonna tell all of it to the police.
Then, Murray or some other guy takes MJ down and all the drama begins.
2.The brothers who have been eating off MJ's hands for years now, are made to see the shinier side of the coin...and they agree to join in...knowing, once again that their promises will be kept....Same for the dancers...Because AEG and SONY needs them to maintain their silence.
They are asked to make all these weird slip-ups....Just to get the thing going...Becasue they know that there WILL be fans who will think this to be a hoax....and delve into it.....And so these people go about acting NUTS leading us all to believe that MJ is alive and the family is protecting him and sending us messages.
The thing that contradicts the second point is Janet....She is not the type of girl who would transform into this money-hungry bitch.....No....she wouldnt do that to MJ.But who knows? A lotta people who claimed to have been close to MJ have betrayed MJ over the years....It wouldnt surprise me if she did.
3.Others like LIz Taylor and McCulkin are kept in the dark...They dont know anything about it.....So is Katherine.
4.FOR THE HOAX BELIEVERS :The weirdness in the Movie, The BAM statement, The "I am alive forever" thing, could have been done by AEG-sony , because they are the ones pulling the strings if MJ is dead. They know we will pick these up as potential clues and start investigating......They've got us HOOKED into this, and they know we wont let go until HE shows up.
Release stuff like "Fake ambulance pics,,,Fake 911 call...." into the media to gt us further assured that we were right all along.....And we follow this with rejuvenated interest.
5.FOR THE NON BELEIVERS: They have got the attention of the hoax believer community.....Now they know veryone wont buy the story o MJ being alive, SO to trap the non-believers, they create this gigantic MIX-UP in the TRIALS....."Murray will face murder charges...."Murray will surrender today" ....."Murray surrender postponed"......"Murray will face manslughter charge"...."Murray surrender postponed again"....."Murray's lawyer says he has no idea of whats going on"....."DA says no case against Murray"....and so on.....
..Murray's out on bail and they keep postponing the trial thing forever. This fuels anger among MJ fans who believe that hes gone. So, in an emotional fit, they hit the Record stores with a vengeance (JUST LIKE AFTER JUNE 25), just to show their SUPPORT......Further sales, Further profit!
They keep delaying the whole thing givin gone excuse after the other...ANd no ones gonna ask them either, coz they are not answerable to the media in this case. Simply because they are still clean in the public eye...They have made the general public feel that they have nothing to do with all of this.....And that they are TRYING TO PRESERVE HIS LEGACY BY DOING ALL THESE AUTOGRAPH SIGNING EVENTS.....MEMORABILLIA EXHIBITION.....AUCTIONS and so on.
6.Now that they have all the attentioin they need, they can keep releasing previously unreleased stuff in the form of new posthumous albums.......FURTHER PROFIT.
When SONY-AEG have dug enough gold..with the Jackson brothers have had enough publicity to earn them selves an occassional place at some Talent hunt contest on TV.....Plus innumerable appearances on the red carpet......When all the loot has been taken
Then Murray gets charge with Manslaughter-- No Problem for him coz he's fine as long as he has his money----People celebrate and finally the hysteria dies down.
NOTE: I DO NOT MEAN TO , IN ANY WAY, DISCARD THE POSSIBILITY OF MJ BEING BEHIND THE HOAX.....I AM JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT IF AEG-SONY WERE BEHIND THIS, THIS IS HOW THEY'D PROBABLY DO IT.
My first post.
Let me start by saying I'm a life-long fan, had tix for TII London, and *hope* that this is a hoax and MJ is going to blow us away when all is revealed.
However, knowing his brilliant mind and calculated moves as a world-class entertainer, it's obvious to me that someone like MJ would have had something planned in the event anything ever happened to him. Think about it. He would instinctively know that there would be a certain percentage of folks who would cry hoax no matter the circumstances - that's human nature, right? With a little bit of help, some good planning, and some extra footage here and there, the hoax crowd could be wooed indefinitely and strung along with bits and pieces of planted information. I wouldn't be shocked at all if MJ had filmed a mock funeral, etc. for this exact purpose. Point being, MJ is the kind of person who was very conscious of his place in entertainment history, determined to cement himself as the greatest of all time (which he undoubtedly IS, IMO) and this doesn't necessarily mean it was a last minute hoax strung together randomly with or without anyone else's conscious participation. I'd almost bet this life after death thing was a conscious decision made years ago in the event of his passing.
With no disrespect implied, there WERE signs that MJ was tired of what his life had become. He was a victim of his own eccentricities - much like the FEAR article states. Is there any chance that he was ready to leave this world? I would be much more inclined to believe this scenario over murder.
Regardless of how it happened, *if it happened*, AEG is a huge conglomerate full of creative people. Of course they're going to milk every penny out of all of this, with MJ's help or not. That's what they do, right? And as far as his family goes, I'm not sure that any of them have the smarts to be "in" on something. My take is that they're (sadly) using all of this as a vehicle to promote their own self-interests - which is what entertainer's do, right? And that is more of a commentary on the decline of society and our values more than anything else.
I don't know. I hope I'm wrong. And I'm seriously not trying to be a negative Ned. Just sharing my thoughts as I try to find the truth that works for me.
Again, I would love if MJ was playing us all and on the verge of teaching the whole world something about love, respect, and integrity -all things the world is sorely missing these days.
Liberian girl theme was under control of the Jackson family only.
You would have to believe the entire Jackson family are psychopatic crazies with no emotion and worse, agreed to go along with the entire charade surrounding their dead family member. INCLUDING Paris, an 11yo girl, who shed not a single tear at the memorial.
5000 or so odd hoax believers aren't a big enough demographic to bother with.
If this was a corporate hoax the clues would be significantly more obvious and plentiful. You wouldn't have to do serious research to uncover them all, they'd jump right out and bite you.
IMO Making profits out of an unfinished concert is very easy.....because the very feeling that it was MJ and THE MAN was about to return but "his life got tragically cut short" stuff kindles the nostalgia and a sense of unfulfilment in people.....So, basically , people will never wanna let go and so AEG-SONY have bought themselves potential customers for the next few months...the same timeline for which the concerts would have happened....The plan would be to keep rekindling that feeling of unfulfilment again and again through these exhibitions and autograph signing sessoins and all. All these things provides them with a big window to sell a lotta merchandise....auction some of them off....Even make stuff that wasnt part of the orginal TII Concerts and sell them off as a part of TII merchandise for some extra profit.
I dont expect emotions from the brothers if they were a part of AEG' scheme.....A far as the children are concerned...well, what can I say? If one tries to analyze their reaction on this forum, one gets bashed up by other members. So I left that out while writing this.
I did mention a possible way to manipulate the non believers.......
(a) Either incline them to believing by releasing stuff like "Fake 911 call detected"
"Fake ambulance call detected".....This increases the traffic to hoax forums lik these..
(b) Keep the Murray trial alive and ticking for at least a few months......Which keeps the bitter feeling alive andd culminates in people findind it hard to resist buying some MJ stuff anywhere.....
Look, I am not saying that THIS is what HAS happened....I am just trying to weigh the possible options.....And even I mentioned in my post that there are facts that contradict AEG-SONY manipulation......I am jut trying to think how things would turn out if HE were really a victim of these corporate heavyweights.
I know not everyone buys into the Illuminati theory, but if they are involved there is not telling what their motives could be for the hoax.
first post and a brillant post - welcome
bec i like your post
yes can see that
umm.. well the thing is this is odd right I dont share some point of view but it is your opinion well I'm really concerned with Murray whatever happens we must find the truth furthermore if it will hurt
I am inclined more towards the DEA theory though.....Thats one theory thats still valid.
I like your Truman Show comparism. It really is how it feels, but reversed. In the movie everybody knew that it was all a show and fake but Truman. When he decided to really follow his heart and found the strenght to face his fears he found the truth.
In this case, the whole world is Truman. And the message is to L.O.V.E. and to follow your heart, that's when you find the truth.
Go check out my thread regarding the latest TIAI redirect in the TIAI forum.
Hoaxing a hoax. That is indeed interesting.
Too bad the behaviour of the family -to me- is proof that he is alive. Even if they were in on hoaxing the hoax, they would still be grieving and showing pain. (Which they clearly are not.)
I enjoy this. It's good to kick around ideas that are outside of the box. Expands your brain and widens your foundation of thought. Please do not misinterpret my post as dissent, I simply enjoy the debate. Thanks for posting.