no smooth criminal lean in TII??

jenwren20jenwren20 Posts: 282
edited January 1970 in General Hoax Investigation
ok, so i've posted this in the TII movie thread also, but watching my TII dvd i suddenly noticed that the dancers and MJ aren't practicing the smooth criminal lean??
No, would MJ really leave it out of a return concert? and would the dancer's not have to practice that over and over to get where to place the boot onto the peg in the stage to enable the lean??

I'm confused......

discuss, people......

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  • jenwren20jenwren20 Posts: 282
    also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

    feel the love
  • dragonflyliliesdragonflylilies Posts: 608
    I saw on wikipedia that the patent for the anit gravity shoes is no longer owned by Michael Jackson because he failed to pay the maintence fee. I clicked on the patent information under the picture of the shoe and found this site explaining this. So, he may not have been legally able to do it since he no longer owned the patent for the shoes.
    In my patents list | Print

    Method and means for creating anti-gravity illusion

    Bibliographic data Description Claims Mosaics Original document INPADOC legal status



    The EPO does not accept any responsibility for the accuracy of data and information originating from other authorities than the EPO; in particular, the EPO does not guarantee that they are complete, up-to-date or fit for specific purposes.
    Legal status of US5255452 (A) 1993-10-26:


    US F 90547992 A (Patent of invention)
    PRS Date : 1992/08/31
    PRS Code : AS
    Code Expl.: ASSIGNMENT
    NEW OWNER : TRIUMPH INTERNATIONAL, INC., CALIFORNIA
    EFFECTIVE DATE : 19920825
    FURTHER INFORMATION : ASSIGNMENT OF ASSIGNORS INTEREST.;ASSIGNORS:JACKSON, MICHAEL J.;BUSH, MICHAEL L.;TOMPKINS, DENNIS;REEL/FRAME:006250/0059



    PRS Date : 2005/12/20
    PRS Code : FP
    Code Expl.: - EXPIRED DUE TO FAILURE TO PAY MAINTENANCE FEE
    EFFECTIVE DATE : 20051026



    Data supplied from the espacenet database — Worldwide
  • Unknown
    ok, so i've posted this in the TII movie thread also, but watching my TII dvd i suddenly noticed that the dancers and MJ aren't practicing the smooth criminal lean??
    No, would MJ really leave it out of a return concert? and would the dancer's not have to practice that over and over to get where to place the boot onto the peg in the stage to enable the lean??

    I'm confused......

    discuss, people......

    any vid
  • simalvessimalves Posts: 730
    Patent means he can prevent someone else from using it or getting them to pay him to use it. Unless the patent is owned by someone else now - he can still do the lean.
  • VictorVictor Posts: 582
    ok, so i've posted this in the TII movie thread also, but watching my TII dvd i suddenly noticed that the dancers and MJ aren't practicing the smooth criminal lean??
    No, would MJ really leave it out of a return concert? and would the dancer's not have to practice that over and over to get where to place the boot onto the peg in the stage to enable the lean??

    I'm confused......

    discuss, people......

    any vid
    [youtube:1u51jl7s]

    my video =) uploaded from the DVD!
  • awesome1awesome1 Posts: 565
    also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

    feel the love

    well ive watched the staging the return extra and believe it or not orange pants IS MJ, it show him without glasses and a hat, wearing the orange pants and the blue shirt, and its 1 million percent MJ . yes they mentioned that he would use a double, i think during the Dirty Diana performance so he could get changed for the next song.


    so ive actually drawn to the conlcusion that its all michael <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • new tiuxnew tiux Posts: 104
    ok, so i've posted this in the TII movie thread also, but watching my TII dvd i suddenly noticed that the dancers and MJ aren't practicing the smooth criminal lean??
    No, would MJ really leave it out of a return concert? and would the dancer's not have to practice that over and over to get where to place the boot onto the peg in the stage to enable the lean??

    I'm confused......

    discuss, people......
    I noticed that too..interesting. I might say this lean is nr.1 in smooth criminal, all fans are expecting this every time. well, I do <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
    And one other thing I haven't done yet but going to - are the dancers dressed the same during in every song. Cause I have a feeling that they are changing clothes while michael stays with the same ones...going to check this out later.
  • VictorVictor Posts: 582
    also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

    feel the love

    well ive watched the staging the return extra and believe it or not orange pants IS MJ, it show him without glasses and a hat, wearing the orange pants and the blue shirt, and its 1 million percent MJ . yes they mentioned that he would use a double, i think during the Dirty Diana performance so he could get changed for the next song.


    so ive actually drawn to the conlcusion that its all michael <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    u talking about this picture ?
    vlc2010022716084466.png
  • awesome1awesome1 Posts: 565
    also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

    feel the love

    well ive watched the staging the return extra and believe it or not orange pants IS MJ, it show him without glasses and a hat, wearing the orange pants and the blue shirt, and its 1 million percent MJ . yes they mentioned that he would use a double, i think during the Dirty Diana performance so he could get changed for the next song.


    so ive actually drawn to the conlcusion that its all michael <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    u talking about this picture ?
    vlc2010022716084466.png

    yea that one , and damn <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> he is wearing the sunglasses , i think im goin blind <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • VictorVictor Posts: 582
    u talking about this picture ?
    <!-- m -->http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8645 ... 084466.png<!-- m -->

    giggle, guess he like to wear it inside <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • steffmaster1steffmaster1 Posts: 968
    this pic i thought was him i think he switches now and then to keep us on our toes billie jean was a double but part where they talked after his speech bout air hostess actions was him just look at the nose <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
  • gamingarenagamingarena Posts: 12
    also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

    feel the love

    well ive watched the staging the return extra and believe it or not orange pants IS MJ, it show him without glasses and a hat, wearing the orange pants and the blue shirt, and its 1 million percent MJ . yes they mentioned that he would use a double, i think during the Dirty Diana performance so he could get changed for the next song.


    so ive actually drawn to the conlcusion that its all michael <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    Bravo!!!!

    I said so many times TII Is all MJ himself!!!
  • JACKSONGIRLJACKSONGIRL Posts: 809
    also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

    feel the love

    well ive watched the staging the return extra and believe it or not orange pants IS MJ, it show him without glasses and a hat, wearing the orange pants and the blue shirt, and its 1 million percent MJ . yes they mentioned that he would use a double, i think during the Dirty Diana performance so he could get changed for the next song.


    so ive actually drawn to the conlcusion that its all michael <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    Bravo!!!!

    I said so many times TII Is all MJ himself!!!
    i never saw a difference i always saw mj thru it all, when i saw it in theaters i was like hmm one of them seems off, i thought maybe they used at leats one double, but when i really watched the dvd i was like :s it all seems like mj
  • Eva REva R Posts: 1,217
    also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

    feel the love

    well ive watched the staging the return extra and believe it or not orange pants IS MJ, it show him without glasses and a hat, wearing the orange pants and the blue shirt, and its 1 million percent MJ . yes they mentioned that he would use a double, i think during the Dirty Diana performance so he could get changed for the next song.


    so ive actually drawn to the conlcusion that its all michael <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    Bravo!!!!

    I said so many times TII Is all MJ himself!!!
    i never saw a difference i always saw mj thru it all, when i saw it in theaters i was like hmm one of them seems off, i thought maybe they used at leats one double, but when i really watched the dvd i was like :s it all seems like mj
    exactly <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> I always believed it was ALL Michael. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • Unknown
    Did you notice that dancer is wearing a dome project t-shirt!
    And yes orange pants is our beautiful Mike.
  • becbec Posts: 6,387
    There's no way Michael's 50yo back would stand up to the lean.

    No one else can patent the lean, they simply can now perform it. Once patent expires anyone can do it, but you cannot repatent an existing... well... thing. Patents are available only for new inventions.
  • SoundOfCrescendoSoundOfCrescendo Posts: 200
    Yeah, I thought that was weird and still the fact he didn't do the moonwalk is strange too. I mean, those are both his signature moves! <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
  • voiceforthesilentvoiceforthesilent Posts: 5,485
    I saw on wikipedia that the patent for the anit gravity shoes is no longer owned by Michael Jackson because he failed to pay the maintence fee. I clicked on the patent information under the picture of the shoe and found this site explaining this. So, he may not have been legally able to do it since he no longer owned the patent for the shoes.
    In my patents list | Print

    Method and means for creating anti-gravity illusion

    Bibliographic data Description Claims Mosaics Original document INPADOC legal status



    The EPO does not accept any responsibility for the accuracy of data and information originating from other authorities than the EPO; in particular, the EPO does not guarantee that they are complete, up-to-date or fit for specific purposes.
    Legal status of US5255452 (A) 1993-10-26:


    US F 90547992 A (Patent of invention)
    PRS Date : 1992/08/31
    PRS Code : AS
    Code Expl.: ASSIGNMENT
    NEW OWNER : TRIUMPH INTERNATIONAL, INC., CALIFORNIA
    EFFECTIVE DATE : 19920825
    FURTHER INFORMATION : ASSIGNMENT OF ASSIGNORS INTEREST.;ASSIGNORS:JACKSON, MICHAEL J.;BUSH, MICHAEL L.;TOMPKINS, DENNIS;REEL/FRAME:006250/0059



    PRS Date : 2005/12/20
    PRS Code : FP
    Code Expl.: - EXPIRED DUE TO FAILURE TO PAY MAINTENANCE FEE
    EFFECTIVE DATE : 20051026



    Data supplied from the espacenet database — Worldwide

    Is there a way to find out if someone else owns or has the rights to the patent now? I would think that keeping this stuff current and paid up should automatically have been taken care of by his business managers, right? Sad...
  • becbec Posts: 6,387
    There's no way Michael's 50yo back would stand up to the lean.

    No one else can patent the lean, they simply can now perform it. Once patent expires anyone can do it, but you cannot repatent an existing... well... thing. Patents are available only for new inventions.

    There's no need to continue to hold the patent. It's become a signature Michael move and any artist that does it now is simply paying tribute to the King.

    Michael did moonwalk in Smooth Criminal in TII.
  • MJ212MJ212 Posts: 29
    Patent means he can prevent someone else from using it or getting them to pay him to use it. Unless the patent is owned by someone else now - he can still do the lean.

    I don't believe anyone else does own the patent,bc remember at the mtv awards those dancers did it even with a few of them ruining it,but jeez anyway this is michael jackson he shouldn't have to keep paying a maintanence fee to hold the patent
  • becbec Posts: 6,387
    That's how patents work. Even if you pay to maintain it a patent expires after a certain number of years anyway.
  • steffmaster1steffmaster1 Posts: 968
    if orange pants guy is him why aint he in cd pictures? This pic in orange trousers looks so different to other orange pants guy look at shape of face and hair!!!
  • steffmaster1steffmaster1 Posts: 968
    shakira did the lean in her she wolf video in hig heels fink it must of been digitally done im not sure but she did it have a look
  • dragonflyliliesdragonflylilies Posts: 608
    The new owner is Triumph International in California according to the patent.

    Evidently his business owners didn't have Michael's best interest at heart, otherwise they would have paid for the maintenance fees.
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