Dont forget that new members are joining in every day......There are a lotta people who became Micahel Jackson fans only after his death, like me.
So, MJ could have welcomed this consequence of the hoax, so that new fans who are not THAT familiar with his personality do not have any misconceptions about his actions left in their minds......I can alreday feel the monumental pressure that man took on his head.....And also to those people who have been his fans all along, who might have felt a teeny weeny bit betrayed because of what the media prefers to call his "eccentricities"......This consequence of the hoax JUSt sets the record straight about his life......His insecurities.....But he STILL managed to take all that o his shoulders and kept moving ahead....
...IMO Only Superman can do better.
<!-- s --><!-- s --> oh, really?!?! a minute ago you was about to call me a looney for making that superman-comic-connection (see my post again about that auction...). why you think that association came to me in the first place??? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> (*giggles*)
but srsly, i feel the same way. because of all that media circus goin' on over the years, you almost didn't get to find out about michael the man vs. his public persona. plus, where i live, you almost didn't get nothing else except the tabloid trash. now and with the help of internet over the last 10smthn years, i was able to conceive a totally different picture of him and how frustrating it must have all been and how very strong he carried himself through all that. always friendly, never freaked, even through the biggest of crowds with a dozen hands grabbing and pulling on him. terrible. and he still didn't throw the same dirt back at people, he just took it and smiled.
i also think that he was terribly underestimated in terms of intellect. like he said in one of his speeches: 'they never thought that i would outthink them'. this is outthinking the whole world, damn there!!! i can't wait how this is all gonna come down. truly genius! <!-- s --><!-- s -->
yes i think he had the amazing ability to turn the other cheek and to take it, even in his darkest hour thus i do not believe he wanted us to live his pain, he was sometimes selfless and in this regard i believe he would continue to be
i would not want my family and friends to feel any personal trauma that i have suffered, that would not bring them closer, that would not fix the previous problem, that is cruel.
we do not want our children to suffer what we have suffered - that is progress
there are other ways
i dont believe mike was like that - he had the strength of character not to do this
Nah, I don't think it's the case. I don't know Michael personally, but I think it's safe to predict he wouldn't have done this.
It's kind of a pointless and selfish reason...Maybe it's just me.
it's not selfish as long as the people closest and most important to him are in on it and def understand the purpose of it all. who knows him better than his family? if i was a family member, i would stand there and lie to the world as well and not think bad about it for a split second, if it was to protect my blood.
he really cannot care too much about any other people here. he very probably still does, that's the hard part, but on the other hand, the clues have been thrown out there from day one (ambulance pic? who did seriously think it was real? i didn't, as soon as i saw it, struck me right there.), you just had to look hard enough or start to take some action in finding out why all this stuff looks strange. it's a news bit everyday to show the people that things just won't add up.
this is also done to find out, how many people DID actually understand what michael is really all about, how strong his concerns really are. and finding out who is really looking, who is starting to investigate, who is really on his side and not 'just' a fan of his music and performances (no offense here, but there are many like that, too, i think). there was no other way to wake up the whole world. and it's working!!! it's michael-time all over again! (sooo clever...! <!-- s --><!-- s --> )
you think his people are not looking into forums like this, checking the net left and right to 'count' the people and read their thoughts? what easier way is there to count numbers than have a 'visitor' count on each page, or have people sign up for certain purposes, create comment sections? add it all together and you will get a huge number, plus some, already! there is monitoring going on as i write this, i'm pretty sure of that. from all sides, that is. one recent newsbit on the fake ambulance tape was discussed here for hours, just to show up as 'breaking news' by the tabloids - 3 hours later!!! not saying, that it was taken from this forum but it could have been anyone where people throw their thoughts around, places just like this one.
that will probably also determine if and when michael decides to show himself to the public again. he will need full support then, because there will still be the ones who are going to turn all this against him. for exactly that: the 'damage' that was caused. other than emotional with the fans and others who believe he is really dead, there is actually no damage done. damage claims are mostly financial, if not always. there is none of that. everybody is making money, everybody is getting their bills paid and there's even more money coming in each day. anything michael jackson has been selling like hotcakes since last june, all over the world. now, start counting... <!-- s --><!-- s -->
These are my thoughts.....I dont see why people should think I am NUTS just because I wanna share them with other people on a forum.....
If its such a big crime to present a perspctive then shut down the whole forum for god's sake..... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
It seems that a healthy discusion isnt valued here.....anymore....
Look Mr/Mrs/Miss .....I 've spent enough time on my bed to keep me sane......Please dont impose your opinion on me......You dont like it...You dont read it.
I think what you exposed it is part of Michael's purpose in this hoax; he wants us to change our perspective, he wants to show us how it really is being Michael Jackson.It is hard. Very.Don't judge a man if haven't walked a mile in his shoes <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I like the way you think, the way you write it, it makes sense.
But still, I don't think this is the case. The confusion we have experienced the past couple of months is NOTHING compared to what MJ has gone through is WHOLE LIFE. His key message in my opinion is LOVE.
Even my friends that aren't fans say that I've changed.
I'm with ya. I have made some massive life changes that have hit me in the pocket book really hard but I am so much happier then I was before 6-25. Every single day I am glad I made that change, and continue to do so. I completely reject negativity and gossip and refuse to allow it to control me and refuse to feed it in others. I have ended some relationships and started some new ones and have systematically surrounded myself with postive people, situations, and attitude. I did it all BECAUSE of this hoax, because of my research, and because I stay mindful of WWMJD? Sound lame? Maybe, whateves, works for me. 8 months later, I'm a different person.
I've also turned OFF the TV. Completely.
Life is good. I'm really happy. People notice.
Congratulations on my new positive approach to life. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
What is WWMJD <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
I can be a bit "thick" sometimesLOL <!-- s --><!-- s -->
"Although you couldnt have put it better, I would like to correct you on the "proving thing"......We CAN prove it.....In more than a 100 ways."
Well Doctor Death we are viewed as 'being in denial' by too many to count. How many times have I been looked at with confusion when I drop a sentence to the fact that I believe he is alive? I don't even have to go into specifics to get that look. Just saying things don't add up and I am not believing all the garbage is enough.
Yes I am feeling him, I am trying to live my life holding him dear to my heart. He's been in my heart since the 80's and it is so hard to smile when I get that pat on the shoulder that I'll eventually 'have to accept'.
I'm sure each one of us has that feeling of being a one man/woman army with the greatest weapon of LOVE and Truth against the general population that believe everything they hear.
Yes we are feeling him.
If it wasn't for all of you and other forums I may have gone over the edge. Because what my heart says and what has "happened" they just don't jive.
Yes we are feeling him. We have to, in order to continue...
So I "Simmer" and wait for BAMSDAY.
I had a little dream last night, just a glimpse. I woke up laughing which is not normal. But the dream was a lot of people chanting "Michael come out, we need you like you need us" the setting was like in TII with the soldiers and us and the big "M" in the backgound.
That's all we had to focus on, the big rock "M". Then I woke up.
Back to simmering. Love all of you!!! I love Michael!
I think that Michael is not just wanting us to feel him, but to feel in general. For many people, their feelings have become somewhat numbed. He could be causing all sorts of different emotions to shake us up a bit into realizing that we as individuals are needed and that we all have a purpose. The bigger picture is that he has brought many people together in a common cause for love on an unpresidented level. We are here for eachother and many friendships have formed, which it it wasn't for the emotional roller coaster ride we may not do to quite same degree.
I believe that by throwing so many things out that question everything, is making us do just that, question/doubt everything and in the end we learn to connect the dots and also learn to use our intuition.
I personally understand why this is necessary, things needed to be stirred up a bit to get people to use all their senses, including the sixth (intuition), so that we learn how see through the trash. The bigger picture is what needs to be seen and now so many more people are really seeing and feeling it. This has had such a personal effect on everyone and is connecting people together like a spiders web around the World. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
@ 2 Bad, What a wonderful dream or maybe preminition. I can visualize this very well. Dreams hold a lot of significance <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
This site has changed me as a person, and especially as a mother. It has not only opened up my eyes about what is really going on in this wierd but wonderful world, it has made me a better person. I didn't really know alot about MJ before, but the more I get to know him, THE MORE I LOVE HIM. He has this amazing energy about him. We are all here because we can FEEL IT. We are spreading his LOVE......his message, his beauty. He is everywhere. In the stars, the moon, the sun and the trees.............I thankyou Michael.....thankyou for teaching me about the more important things in life, and especially how to LOVE unconditionally.
Whatever Michael wanted... he received in me!!!! I agree he wanted us to open our eyes and seek the truth and not only the truth about him, but the world around us. When we let others be our eyes, ears or voice, in a sense, we choose to stay blind and deaf.
After 8 months I still feel like I was hit by lightening or something, I have made some changes in my life that weren't easy and if it had been any time before June 25th I'm not sure how I would have handled it. In the last few weeks I have to admit I have reverted back to feeling sadness about him but just last night I had a dream. I was in a theatre, filled with people and we were waiting for Michael, we waited so long but there was so much anticipation and everyone was talking with each other. It was joyful. I woke up smiling and feeling like I needed to hang on and not give up on him.
If it wasn't for this I would surely feel alone and crazy.
this post is interesting but i think michael no want us to suffer , we always stand up for him...in goods and bads and is no reason why he want hurt his fans ...
i know michael from my 8 years old and i near to 40 , i learn english because him ...and i know he no want make this to his fans but for sure because the media ...
when the guy only spoke of love, why would he suddenly on the eve of his comeback then decide that his primary or secondary objective is for the public to feel pain, including children from all around the world
this does not make sense. No.
if he wanted us to show empathy or live his experience then maybe writing a further book or doing a television series, but i think all of that is too negative, he was alway a positive person.
he wanted to raise his profile and turn a new leaf (that's what i think) that works if he has passed and if he hoaxed
dont demean all this good work but thinking that he wanted us to feel the misery he felt, because no kind, warm spirited person would evey want that.
Michael Jackson is not a sadist...he doesnt go around hurting people so that they can feel his pain.....
All I ws saying is that he wanted us and also the many new fans to perceive the reality about his life through these constant revelations that we have been subjected to over the past few months.....the truth behind the shiny curtain.....
Michael Jackson is not a sadist...he doesnt go around hurting people so that they can feel his pain.....
All I ws saying is that he wanted us and also the many new fans to perceive the reality about his life through these constant revelations that we have been subjected to over the past few months.....the truth behind the shiny curtain.....
why - a book deal better option, with a tv serial, a movie - this is me, more money - better option - high profile with the this is it
The general public opinion had been biased against him ever since the media started dissing him around all over the place......A large section of people had lost faith in hi after the second child abuse accusations....Thanks to the gimicks of broacasters who wanted to show hom in poor light......always......
People had branded him as a freak.......Some people remained loyal....But a lot of people didnt care as to what he had to say anymore.....Dont take this personally.....But public opinion had swayed greatly against him.
He had been thrust out of the limelight and had his life permanenetly tainted due to the malicious intentions of a few predatory people......Due to the HUGE media circus, the general public had truly forgotten what he was.....His contribution to the industry and to charity........
Under these circumstances, Do you think the people who had come to think of him as a monster, would really have bothered about his BOOK, or TV series?
Aphrodite Jones herself had a hard time trying to get her book published because no publisher would publish it...WHY? BECAUSE SHE HAD SHOWN MICHAEL JACKSON AS AN INNOCENT MAN.....EVERY ONE WANTED TO TAKE HIM DOWN.......DO YOU THINK THAT AFTER ALL THAT MOCKERY THAT WAS MADEOF HIM ON TV AND OTHER TALK SHOWS.....THOSE HORRIBLE CARTOONS PRINTED IN THE NEWS PAPERS.....WOULD ANYONE EVR LISTEN TO HIM? PEOPLE HAD LEARNT TO NEGLECT HIM.......
ONE TO ALL....
His "death" came as a reminder to many people that a monumental figure had left a void that could never be filled.People remembered how many of the modern day artists are influenced by his work...his dance....his concepts.....people once again remembered the King Of Pop.....The Humanitarian.....The humble Do-gooder.....and almost forgot the so-called monster....
And after his "death", when one by one, the curtains got lifted on the truth about his life......People became aware of his true intentions rather than draw premature conclusions based upon the pseudo--persona created by irreponsible journalism based on sensationalism.
Its easier to drive home the truth when people really realise that their judgement had been clouded...that opinions and forced perceptions were IMPOSED on them and now its no use crying over spilt milk......People are angry now.....and even more desperate to know the truth.....
And look, arabian nights, this is for the last time I am gonna offer an explanation......If you get it fine. If you dont, then you're welcome to leave this topic discussion. There are millions of other threads out here.....I dont want people to misunderstand my point of view....I am not a bad man and people shouldnt try to brand me a bad man for no reason at all.........I didnt say for 1 sc that Micahel iontentionally wanted to hurt his fans.....I dont know why you see it that way....I dont know why...the members here are always keep dissing me, no matter which thread I start.
Micahel Jackson had many fans and well wishers.....but all that those fans could do was to leave supportive messages on his doorstep...Or wave at him from beyond the gates...Michael Jackson NEVER DID HAVE A SHOULDER TO CRY ON.......So through this hoax investigation, he took us on a trip..whose....ONE of the objectives....Rather SECONDARY objectives was to make us experience the dismal truth that is so often buried under a heap of LIES.
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but srsly, i feel the same way. because of all that media circus goin' on over the years, you almost didn't get to find out about michael the man vs. his public persona. plus, where i live, you almost didn't get nothing else except the tabloid trash. now and with the help of internet over the last 10smthn years, i was able to conceive a totally different picture of him and how frustrating it must have all been and how very strong he carried himself through all that. always friendly, never freaked, even through the biggest of crowds with a dozen hands grabbing and pulling on him. terrible. and he still didn't throw the same dirt back at people, he just took it and smiled.
i also think that he was terribly underestimated in terms of intellect. like he said in one of his speeches: 'they never thought that i would outthink them'. this is outthinking the whole world, damn there!!! i can't wait how this is all gonna come down. truly genius! <!-- s
i would not want my family and friends to feel any personal trauma that i have suffered, that would not bring them closer, that would not fix the previous problem, that is cruel.
we do not want our children to suffer what we have suffered - that is progress
there are other ways
i dont believe mike was like that - he had the strength of character not to do this
It's kind of a pointless and selfish reason...Maybe it's just me.
it's not selfish as long as the people closest and most important to him are in on it and def understand the purpose of it all. who knows him better than his family? if i was a family member, i would stand there and lie to the world as well and not think bad about it for a split second, if it was to protect my blood.
he really cannot care too much about any other people here. he very probably still does, that's the hard part, but on the other hand, the clues have been thrown out there from day one (ambulance pic? who did seriously think it was real? i didn't, as soon as i saw it, struck me right there.), you just had to look hard enough or start to take some action in finding out why all this stuff looks strange. it's a news bit everyday to show the people that things just won't add up.
this is also done to find out, how many people DID actually understand what michael is really all about, how strong his concerns really are. and finding out who is really looking, who is starting to investigate, who is really on his side and not 'just' a fan of his music and performances (no offense here, but there are many like that, too, i think). there was no other way to wake up the whole world. and it's working!!! it's michael-time all over again! (sooo clever...! <!-- s
you think his people are not looking into forums like this, checking the net left and right to 'count' the people and read their thoughts? what easier way is there to count numbers than have a 'visitor' count on each page, or have people sign up for certain purposes, create comment sections? add it all together and you will get a huge number, plus some, already! there is monitoring going on as i write this, i'm pretty sure of that. from all sides, that is. one recent newsbit on the fake ambulance tape was discussed here for hours, just to show up as 'breaking news' by the tabloids - 3 hours later!!! not saying, that it was taken from this forum but it could have been anyone where people throw their thoughts around, places just like this one.
that will probably also determine if and when michael decides to show himself to the public again. he will need full support then, because there will still be the ones who are going to turn all this against him. for exactly that: the 'damage' that was caused. other than emotional with the fans and others who believe he is really dead, there is actually no damage done. damage claims are mostly financial, if not always. there is none of that. everybody is making money, everybody is getting their bills paid and there's even more money coming in each day. anything michael jackson has been selling like hotcakes since last june, all over the world. now, start counting... <!-- s
Though, you might never know...
But still, I don't think this is the case. The confusion we have experienced the past couple of months is NOTHING compared to what MJ has gone through is WHOLE LIFE. His key message in my opinion is LOVE.
Congratulations on my new positive approach to life. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
What is WWMJD <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
I can be a bit "thick" sometimesLOL <!-- s
This confusion and turmoil is nothing to what he went through, I know.
But still, It is a good DEMO of what he had to endure.
WWMJD?= What would Michael Jackson do?
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Should've thought about that.
Well Doctor Death we are viewed as 'being in denial' by too many to count. How many times have I been looked at with confusion when I drop a sentence to the fact that I believe he is alive? I don't even have to go into specifics to get that look. Just saying things don't add up and I am not believing all the garbage is enough.
Yes I am feeling him, I am trying to live my life holding him dear to my heart. He's been in my heart since the 80's and it is so hard to smile when I get that pat on the shoulder that I'll eventually 'have to accept'.
I'm sure each one of us has that feeling of being a one man/woman army with the greatest weapon of LOVE and Truth against the general population that believe everything they hear.
Yes we are feeling him.
If it wasn't for all of you and other forums I may have gone over the edge. Because what my heart says and what has "happened" they just don't jive.
Yes we are feeling him. We have to, in order to continue...
So I "Simmer" and wait for BAMSDAY.
I had a little dream last night, just a glimpse. I woke up laughing which is not normal. But the dream was a lot of people chanting "Michael come out, we need you like you need us" the setting was like in TII with the soldiers and us and the big "M" in the backgound.
That's all we had to focus on, the big rock "M". Then I woke up.
Back to simmering. Love all of you!!! I love Michael!
I believe that by throwing so many things out that question everything, is making us do just that, question/doubt everything and in the end we learn to connect the dots and also learn to use our intuition.
I personally understand why this is necessary, things needed to be stirred up a bit to get people to use all their senses, including the sixth (intuition), so that we learn how see through the trash. The bigger picture is what needs to be seen and now so many more people are really seeing and feeling it. This has had such a personal effect on everyone and is connecting people together like a spiders web around the World. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
@ 2 Bad, What a wonderful dream or maybe preminition. I can visualize this very well. Dreams hold a lot of significance <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
After 8 months I still feel like I was hit by lightening or something, I have made some changes in my life that weren't easy and if it had been any time before June 25th I'm not sure how I would have handled it. In the last few weeks I have to admit I have reverted back to feeling sadness about him but just last night I had a dream. I was in a theatre, filled with people and we were waiting for Michael, we waited so long but there was so much anticipation and everyone was talking with each other. It was joyful. I woke up smiling and feeling like I needed to hang on and not give up on him.
If it wasn't for this I would surely feel alone and crazy.
i know michael from my 8 years old and i near to 40 , i learn english because him ...and i know he no want make this to his fans but for sure because the media ...
You got it wrong .....
I said that this result of the hoax COULD be intentional/unintentional......
And either way, that doesnt make him a bad person
I am happy to have at least felt for once what he would have felt.
this does not make sense. No.
if he wanted us to show empathy or live his experience then maybe writing a further book or doing a television series, but i think all of that is too negative, he was alway a positive person.
he wanted to raise his profile and turn a new leaf (that's what i think) that works if he has passed and if he hoaxed
dont demean all this good work but thinking that he wanted us to feel the misery he felt, because no kind, warm spirited person would evey want that.
you really didnt get it......
Michael Jackson is not a sadist...he doesnt go around hurting people so that they can feel his pain.....
All I ws saying is that he wanted us and also the many new fans to perceive the reality about his life through these constant revelations that we have been subjected to over the past few months.....the truth behind the shiny curtain.....
why - a book deal better option, with a tv serial, a movie - this is me, more money - better option - high profile with the this is it
People had branded him as a freak.......Some people remained loyal....But a lot of people didnt care as to what he had to say anymore.....Dont take this personally.....But public opinion had swayed greatly against him.
He had been thrust out of the limelight and had his life permanenetly tainted due to the malicious intentions of a few predatory people......Due to the HUGE media circus, the general public had truly forgotten what he was.....His contribution to the industry and to charity........
Under these circumstances, Do you think the people who had come to think of him as a monster, would really have bothered about his BOOK, or TV series?
Aphrodite Jones herself had a hard time trying to get her book published because no publisher would publish it...WHY? BECAUSE SHE HAD SHOWN MICHAEL JACKSON AS AN INNOCENT MAN.....EVERY ONE WANTED TO TAKE HIM DOWN.......DO YOU THINK THAT AFTER ALL THAT MOCKERY THAT WAS MADEOF HIM ON TV AND OTHER TALK SHOWS.....THOSE HORRIBLE CARTOONS PRINTED IN THE NEWS PAPERS.....WOULD ANYONE EVR LISTEN TO HIM? PEOPLE HAD LEARNT TO NEGLECT HIM.......
ONE TO ALL....
His "death" came as a reminder to many people that a monumental figure had left a void that could never be filled.People remembered how many of the modern day artists are influenced by his work...his dance....his concepts.....people once again remembered the King Of Pop.....The Humanitarian.....The humble Do-gooder.....and almost forgot the so-called monster....
And after his "death", when one by one, the curtains got lifted on the truth about his life......People became aware of his true intentions rather than draw premature conclusions based upon the pseudo--persona created by irreponsible journalism based on sensationalism.
Its easier to drive home the truth when people really realise that their judgement had been clouded...that opinions and forced perceptions were IMPOSED on them and now its no use crying over spilt milk......People are angry now.....and even more desperate to know the truth.....
And look, arabian nights, this is for the last time I am gonna offer an explanation......If you get it fine. If you dont, then you're welcome to leave this topic discussion. There are millions of other threads out here.....I dont want people to misunderstand my point of view....I am not a bad man and people shouldnt try to brand me a bad man for no reason at all.........I didnt say for 1 sc that Micahel iontentionally wanted to hurt his fans.....I dont know why you see it that way....I dont know why...the members here are always keep dissing me, no matter which thread I start.
Micahel Jackson had many fans and well wishers.....but all that those fans could do was to leave supportive messages on his doorstep...Or wave at him from beyond the gates...Michael Jackson NEVER DID HAVE A SHOULDER TO CRY ON.......So through this hoax investigation, he took us on a trip..whose....ONE of the objectives....Rather SECONDARY objectives was to make us experience the dismal truth that is so often buried under a heap of LIES.