Ed Chernoff on Good Morning America

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  • I highly doubt MJ injected himself. No way in a million yrs he would do that.

    IF....and thats a big IF, he did die, then someone else injected him while Murray was out of the room and then they removed the security tapes so they wouldnt be seen doing it and then blamed Murray.

    Yep, that seems more plausible to me, too.
  • rasyterasyte Posts: 484
    I highly doubt MJ injected himself. No way in a million yrs he would do that.

    IF....and thats a big IF, he did die, then someone else injected him while Murray was out of the room and then they removed the security tapes so they wouldnt be seen doing it and then blamed Murray.

    Yep, that seems more plausible to me, too.

    that's exactly my thoughts too... IF he is dead.. but I believe he's alive...
  • tabloidburntabloidburn Posts: 1,621
    I highly doubt MJ injected himself. No way in a million yrs he would do that.

    IF....and thats a big IF, he did die, then someone else injected him while Murray was out of the room and then they removed the security tapes so they wouldnt be seen doing it and then blamed Murray.

    question: who would that possibly be then? i have no idea. it would lead to the assumption that somone of the staff would be at least involved in that, wouldn't it? or who could have snuck in the house unnoticed to do that?

    not buying... <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->
  • mirandacncmirandacnc Posts: 405
    ok..isnt the drug used in hospitals NOT HOMES!!!?? then duh you r guilty of something if you gave your patient that!!!! wtf?? (if he died)
  • rasyterasyte Posts: 484
    ok..isnt the drug used in hospitals NOT HOMES!!!?? then duh you r guilty of something if you gave your patient that!!!! wtf?? (if he died)

    and he is not dead... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
  • nynyronynyro Posts: 296
    Missing Security Tapes anyone?

    My thoughts exactly! Where are those missing security tapes??

    Chernoff said that the LAPD botched Murray's case... this whole thing sounds familiar. Don't police plant evidence all the time? Wasn't the crime scene corrupted because family members had been in and out of Michael's rented home after his "death" and before the investigation? There's such a mob mentality all over the net, people are saying that Murray should be convicted or burn in hell without knowing what happened. Now if they're going to agrue that Michael injected himself with propofol, we know that's bs. However, many fans have alluded to Sony or AEG being behind this... if that's true then why are they calling for Murray's head. Why are they calling for the head of the fall guy?
  • For the fans, it's easier to "prove"/convict Murray in this case than the other parties involved in this huge conspiracy (shady attorneys, Sony, etc.). Unfortunately, Murray's the one who's going to court right now, not the other parties. He's just the scapegoat. But the fans know he is not the root of the issue. They are quite aware of the bigger issues.
  • This is getting crazier and crazier by the minute; what happened to the other doctors that were being investigated? That story just seemed to fall off the map.
  • Is it not enough to SAY something bad about Mike - Murray has to prove his allegations!
    And he has to PROVE that Michael injected himself! This is impossible! How can you prove this?

    Well, the sad thing is, he doesn't have to prove this. He just has to plant a seed of doubt and the jury can find him not guilty. That is *might* be plausible that MJ injected himself. If any of the 12 can say, well, perhaps it might have happened that way...

    And you know they will try and bring in all the stuff over the years of using pain medication. And that MJ addmitted in the past having a problem with this.

    They will do whatever it takes to prove doubt in the minds of the jury.
  • Is it not enough to SAY something bad about Mike - Murray has to prove his allegations!
    And he has to PROVE that Michael injected himself! This is impossible! How can you prove this?

    Well, the sad thing is, he doesn't have to prove this. He just has to plant a seed of doubt and the jury can find him not guilty. That is *might* be plausible that MJ injected himself. If any of the 12 can say, well, perhaps it might have happened that way...

    And you know they will try and bring in all the stuff over the years of using pain medication. And that MJ addmitted in the past having a problem with this.

    They will do whatever it takes to prove doubt in the minds of the jury.
    Please god let this be a hoax; if not Murray will get off for sure. I'm 100 percent positive of this.
  • I highly doubt MJ injected himself. No way in a million yrs he would do that.

    IF....and thats a big IF, he did die, then someone else injected him while Murray was out of the room and then they removed the security tapes so they wouldnt be seen doing it and then blamed Murray.

    question: who would that possibly be then? i have no idea. it would lead to the assumption that somone of the staff would be at least involved in that, wouldn't it? or who could have snuck in the house unnoticed to do that?

    not buying... <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->


    We have absoltely no idea all the people who were in the house that day. It couldve been anyone. We know of the maids, the chef, Alverez and the kids and some body guards....but Im suspecting there were others there too that we dont know about.
  • loyalfanloyalfan Posts: 1,641
    its ubelievable that someone charged as murray is...to go on t.v................
  • CrazyBananaCrazyBanana Posts: 745
    well, I gotta say..nice tie...
    but seriously im starting to think the police WERE pressured to blame someone..and probably dont have enough evidence to convict Murray...
    this is getting more interesting and will be getting more interesting as things unfold...
  • DatrootDatroot Posts: 1,314
    Isn't it usual for a doctor under suspicion of homicide to be suspended until such time as a trial may or may not take place and then only allowed to continue practicing medicine if he is found not guilty?
  • mjfansince4mjfansince4 Posts: 1,030
    Isn't it usual for a doctor under suspicion of homicide to be suspended until such time as a trial may or may not take place and then only allowed to continue practicing medicine if he is found not guilty?

    in real world, yes. in hoax world, no.
  • Isn't it usual for a doctor under suspicion of homicide to be suspended until such time as a trial may or may not take place and then only allowed to continue practicing medicine if he is found not guilty?

    in real world, yes. in hoax world, no.

    From your mouth to God's ears. I am praying that this is a hoax. Because if not, I think he will get off. Like other people said above, it could have been anybody going in the room. Not necessarially MJ. It all is looking really bad, before the trial even begins.

    But on the other side of that, isn't that what is to be expected if it is a hoax? I never believed that MJ would allow CM to do time for killing him. This would put him in the clear for a BAM day.

    And interesting that the trial or whatever the next phase of this show, is falling in June? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> Those of you in the U.S. and remember the old Church lady on SNL, "How conveeenient" <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    Btw, any more news on the URI show and the big announcement for this week????
  • Isn't it usual for a doctor under suspicion of homicide to be suspended until such time as a trial may or may not take place and then only allowed to continue practicing medicine if he is found not guilty?

    This is why Michael's family is so pissed. They don't understand a) why his license wasn't suspended and b) why Murray has only been charged with Manslaughter and not 2nd Degree Murder.

    This is why the Los Angeles Civil Rights Association (LACRA) is also getting involved. This whole thing makes you wonder who's protecting who in this case.

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  • I highly doubt MJ injected himself. No way in a million yrs he would do that.

    IF....and thats a big IF, he did die, then someone else injected him while Murray was out of the room and then they removed the security tapes so they wouldnt be seen doing it and then blamed Murray.

    This also goes against the autopsy report that says it's not consistent with self injection. More cover up and lies at the expense of Michael. I'm not buying it any more than I did when he was accused of child molestation. Rubbish.
  • Isn't it usual for a doctor under suspicion of homicide to be suspended until such time as a trial may or may not take place and then only allowed to continue practicing medicine if he is found not guilty?

    in real world, yes. in hoax world, no.

    From your mouth to God's ears. I am praying that this is a hoax. Because if not, I think he will get off. Like other people said above, it could have been anybody going in the room. Not necessarially MJ. It all is looking really bad, before the trial even begins.

    But on the other side of that, isn't that what is to be expected if it is a hoax? I never believed that MJ would allow CM to do time for killing him. This would put him in the clear for a BAM day.

    And interesting that the trial or whatever the next phase of this show, is falling in June? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> Those of you in the U.S. and remember the old Church lady on SNL, "How conveeenient" <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
    Btw, any more news on the URI show and the big announcement for this week????


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  • tabloidburntabloidburn Posts: 1,621
    Isn't it usual for a doctor under suspicion of homicide to be suspended until such time as a trial may or may not take place and then only allowed to continue practicing medicine if he is found not guilty?

    in real world, yes. in hoax world, no.

    From your mouth to God's ears. I am praying that this is a hoax. Because if not, I think he will get off. Like other people said above, it could have been anybody going in the room. Not necessarially MJ. It all is looking really bad, before the trial even begins.

    But on the other side of that, isn't that what is to be expected if it is a hoax? I never believed that MJ would allow CM to do time for killing him. This would put him in the clear for a BAM day.

    And interesting that the trial or whatever the next phase of this show, is falling in June? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> Those of you in the U.S. and remember the old Church lady on SNL, "How conveeenient" <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
    Btw, any more news on the URI show and the big announcement for this week????


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    <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> dana carvey, right! priceless! i remember old mtv days when this show was played here, too. looong time ago...goes to show how 'old' i am... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->

    about the 'other' people in the house: how come there was never any mention about how many staff people were actually there. from what i get over here (german news + mainly internet), all i could say would be the chef, maybe 3 bodyguards, dr. murray, the nanny and the kids. i remember hearing from the chef that 'all staff members' were dismissed that day but never a mention of the number of people.
    is there any info i might have missed how many people were actually mike's daily staff, or present at that time? how come none of them has showed up yet? the chef made statements, were the other ones supposed to disappear never to be seen again?
    wouldn't they also have to be called as witnesses?

    regarding ed's 'interview': he looks like the kind of lawyer my parents always warned me of. upper class, always grinning, too self assured, cigar smoking prick! he 'intends' to win on 'evidence' based on the smoke he's blowing out himself.

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  • OMG!! im speechless! ive been so speechless lately!!!!

    Me too!!!
  • darkchilddarkchild Posts: 1,161
    This is getting crazier and crazier by the minute; what happened to the other doctors that were being investigated? That story just seemed to fall off the map.

    @Butterflyaway, here is an article I found. It is older article. Maybe helpful to you.
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    Jackson Investigation Reportedly Centers on 5 Doctors

    A Prescription Database May Offer More Clues About Doctors' Role in Jackson's Drug Use

    By RICHARD ESPOSITO, VIC WALTER, DAN CHILDS and CHRISTINA CARON

    July 5, 2009

    The heat is on for several of Michael Jackson's former doctors.

    The Los Angeles Times is now reporting that investigators are focusing on at least five doctors who prescribed drugs to Michael Jackson. Cherilyn Lee says Michael Jackson asked her for a powerful sleep aid.

    Citing anonymous sources in law enforcement, the Los Angeles Times also reported that investigators found some prescription bottles in Jackson's home that had Jackson pseudonyms, as well as other bottles without labels. None reportedly had official prescription labels.

    In the meantime, California Attorney General Jerry Brown has joined the investigation into Michael Jackson's death. The Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement is currently searching the Controlled Substance Utilization Review and Evaluation System (CURES), a database Brown says will be a critical part of the investigation. Employees will search for aliases as they help investigate Jackson's death, Brown told the AP.

    The state database keeps track of which controlled substances are dispensed, the strength of those drugs, the quanitity, and to whom they are prescribed.

    California doctors and pharmacies are required to report to the California Department of Justice every prescription that they write for tightly controlled drugs with a high potential for abuse.

    CURES was instrumental during the Anna Nicole Smith case when the California Department of Justice conducted a two-year probe assisted by the Drug Enforcement Administration. Ultimately, Howard K. Stern, Smith's lawyer and longtime companion, as well as Khristine Eroshevich and Sandeep Kapoor, two of Smith's doctors, were arraigned earlier this year on charges of conspiracy to unlawfully prescribe a controlled substance and to prescribe, administer or dispense a controlled substance to an addict. They all denied the charges.


    "What we have in this case is a conspiracy among three individuals," Attorney General Brown said during a March news conference on the Smith case. "Howard K. Stern is the principal enabler. Dr. Eroshevich and Dr. Kapoor are prescribing drugs excessively to a known addict and using false and fictitious names, all in violation of the law."

    Brown said the case is expected to come to trial later this year.

    Propofol, Also Known as Diprivan, Found in Jackson's HomeLaw enforcement sources have told ABC News they discovered the powerful sedative propofol in the home where pop icon Michael Jackson's suffered a fatal cardiac arrest last month.

    The drug was just one of many among the pharmacopeia found in his Holmby Hills home. Officials have previously said that they believe the star was addicted to a daily dose of the pain medications OxyContin and Demerol and that Jackson was injected with Demerol shortly before his death June 25.

    A lawyer for Dr. Conrad Murray, Jackson's personal physician, said the doctor had prescribed neither OxyContin nor Demerol to the pop icon. He has not commented on Diprivan.

    Some of the findings appear to confirm reports by those close to Jackson, 50, that the singer had been abusing prescription drugs. On July 1, Los Angeles registered nurse and nutritionist Cherilyn Lee, who worked for Michael Jackson, came forward to saythe pop star begged her to help him obtain the drug in the days before he died.

    The drug -- also known by the brand name Diprivan -- is most often used to sedate patients before a medical procedure, but it is also one that palliative care workers have been known to administer to terminal patients who are in pain or who have weeks or days to live.

    Lee said during a call from a Jackson staffer she heard Jackson in the background requesting the sedative.

    "He said, 'Find me an anesthesiologist. I don't care how much money they want. find me an anesthesiologist to be with me here overnight and give me this IV,'" she said.

    Jackson, Lee said, said he was in extreme discomfort, was desperate for sleep and said that one side of his body was hot and the other side cold.

    Lee said she wasn't familiar with the drug when he first asked for it three months ago, but after consulting with a doctor, she warned Jackson it could kill him.

    "'I look at you Michael and I've been around you long enough now, I love you as family. I would not give this to anyone,'" Lee said she told Jackson. "I said, 'This is not a safe medicine, please don't take this.'" Pain specialists told ABC News that home use of the risky drug would be highly unusual, since it's ordinarily given in a hospital setting due to its health risks. Obtaining propofol with a simple prescription is next to impossible. "Propofol has no place in a household," said Dr. Lloyd Saberski, a Yale University anesthesiologist and editor in chief of the journal The Pain Clinic. "This alone is a deviation, and many laws were likely violated just to get the propofol there." Moreover, an injection of the drug requires that someone be present to continually administer it intravenously, said Dr. Howard Nearman, chairman of the anesthesiology department at University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland.

    Nearman said there "absolutely" had to be a second party with Jackson if indeed he was using the drug to sleep. Whether or not propofol was in Jackson's system at the time of his death will only be answered with the release of the pop star's autopsy results, which the Los Angeles County coroner's office has said will take weeks.


    Propofol Known as 'Milk of Amnesia'The potency of Propofol as an anesthetic is widely known; in anesthesiology circles, the drug, a white liquid, is termed "milk of amnesia" by some. "Propofol is an agent that requires very close monitoring and is often limited only to use by anesthesiologists," said Dr. Richard Page, head of cardiology at the University of Washington medical center. "The main issue with this agent is respiratory depression, which in turn could cause cardiac arrest." "It is a very dangerous drug," said Dr. Brian Olshansky, a cardiologist at the University of Iowa who said he often uses the drug to place patients in deep sedation for certain heart procedures. "It is not for sleep. I cannot imagine anyone would use this outside a very regulated environment such as the availability of emergency respiratory equipment."


    Propofol Poses Dangers to Abusers

    One main reason for this, he said, is the speed with which the drug has its effect. "It rapidly induces unconsciousness and apnea," Olshansky said. "People stop breathing within seconds of being given the drug."

    These characteristics of the drug make it an exceedingly unusual choice for abuse, said Dr. Jeff Guy of Vanderbilt University, who said such a situation would represent "a quantum leap in the issue of substance abuse." But despite the effects and risk profile of the drug, Nearman said that patients who've had the drug describe it as inducing "a very pleasant sleep" that "has the potential to be habit-forming." And Dr. Bruce Goldberger, chief of forensic pathology at the University of Florida, noted that the drug "also acts as an aphrodisiac in men -- it has been reported that men have very vivid sexual dreams while under Propofol anesthesia.

    Federal, Local Officials Continue Investigation

    The discovery of the drugs in Jackson's home marks a point at which federal agents had begun to define their role in the Michael Jackson death probe and shape their team which would work to assist the Los Angeles Police Department. The LAPD robbery and homicide division is the lead agency on the case, and the Drug Enforcement Administration's Diversion Division is assisting. ABC News' Roger Sergel contributed to this report.

    I highly doubt MJ injected himself. No way in a million yrs he would do that.

    IF....and thats a big IF, he did die, then someone else injected him while Murray was out of the room and then they removed the security tapes so they wouldnt be seen doing it and then blamed Murray.

    This also goes against the autopsy report that says it's not consistent with self injection. More cover up and lies at the expense of Michael. I'm not buying it any more than I did when he was accused of child molestation. Rubbish.

    Very well-said! I do not believe one word that is being said at all against MJ. He did not self-inject himself. It is all lies and rubbish to me.
    I am so tried of the years and the years of conspiring to destroy MJ. They are all haters and are jealous of MJ.

    Applehead, I love you no matter what the world says against you. I love you with all my heart. We all love you the most, Applehead! xxxx
  • kel70kel70 Posts: 182
    it still baffles me that c.m didnt call an ambulance earlier as there was no house phone in the room..but he had a cell phone he was gabbing on for god knows how long.... <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> confused.com
  • AmberAmber Posts: 101
    Its looking that maybe CM aint goin to be serving time which is a good thing, considering MJ is alive.... as for the missing security tapes, come on guys what do you think they'll show?? MJ alive and well thats what and probs helping to set the scene <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> they are missing for 1 of 2 reasons and i firmly believe that MJ removed them himself especially since there is no trace of them <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • valerie68valerie68 Posts: 19
    Hello, Iam quite new on this forum although I did a few posts already. I am from germany.
    Ive got a question:
    Wasnt Ed Chernoff working together with Tom Mesereau for a brief time during MJ's trial 2005?
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