Plastic surgery - a choice?
jacilovesmichael
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I'm not going to apologize ahead of time for sounding crazy anymore - you can just go ahead and count on that from me always LOL.
Anyway, last night I couldn't sleep. I had read about mind control ALL day long, and some of the things can really mess with ya. I started to wonder how a person might come to know that they themselves are a victim. I started to wonder if I could be a victim (although I'm pretty sure I'm not). I started to imagine in my mind a time when someone could have taken advantage of me without me really remembering. At first, all I could think about was childhood, but even that didn't seem likely (not for me anyway, great childhood). Then it suddenly dawned on me. I've "gone under" several times for plastic surgery procedures.
Now, nothing happened to me. It just made me wonder - would it be possible for the brain to be manipulated in some way while under anesthesia for plastic surgery? Or for something, a chip maybe, to be placed in the body?
Could that be part of the reason for the Pepsi "accident"? They needed a way to get Michael in for some kind of surgery. Then he breaks his nose (anyone know the story there?).
Michael always said he had 2 procedures on his nose. A lot of plastic surgery doctors and patients do not count "revision" procedures as an actual rhinoplasty. Also, could it be possible that Michael truly didn't REMEMBER all of the procedures he had done?
In fact, we could take that further and say that things were done to his face at times without his consent so that he would come out looking weirder, giving the media another rope to pull him down with.
The surgery could have also been to make it easier to create doubles.
Also, if Joe Jackson was really an operative, it would make sense that he ridiculed Michael's nose so much - to encourage surgery.
Mo and Souza - or anyone who has researched extensively about mind conrol - do you guys know anything about actually manipulating the brain with surgery?
Think about all the stars that are most likely victims of mind control - Britney Spears, Madonna...
All have had extensive plastic surgery. Is it solely because of the hollywood pressure to be beautiful? Or could something else be going on?
Anyway, last night I couldn't sleep. I had read about mind control ALL day long, and some of the things can really mess with ya. I started to wonder how a person might come to know that they themselves are a victim. I started to wonder if I could be a victim (although I'm pretty sure I'm not). I started to imagine in my mind a time when someone could have taken advantage of me without me really remembering. At first, all I could think about was childhood, but even that didn't seem likely (not for me anyway, great childhood). Then it suddenly dawned on me. I've "gone under" several times for plastic surgery procedures.
Now, nothing happened to me. It just made me wonder - would it be possible for the brain to be manipulated in some way while under anesthesia for plastic surgery? Or for something, a chip maybe, to be placed in the body?
Could that be part of the reason for the Pepsi "accident"? They needed a way to get Michael in for some kind of surgery. Then he breaks his nose (anyone know the story there?).
Michael always said he had 2 procedures on his nose. A lot of plastic surgery doctors and patients do not count "revision" procedures as an actual rhinoplasty. Also, could it be possible that Michael truly didn't REMEMBER all of the procedures he had done?
In fact, we could take that further and say that things were done to his face at times without his consent so that he would come out looking weirder, giving the media another rope to pull him down with.
The surgery could have also been to make it easier to create doubles.
Also, if Joe Jackson was really an operative, it would make sense that he ridiculed Michael's nose so much - to encourage surgery.
Mo and Souza - or anyone who has researched extensively about mind conrol - do you guys know anything about actually manipulating the brain with surgery?
Think about all the stars that are most likely victims of mind control - Britney Spears, Madonna...
All have had extensive plastic surgery. Is it solely because of the hollywood pressure to be beautiful? Or could something else be going on?
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I agree, that could be it but it could also just be part of it.
He could have been programmed to believe he was ugly and to believe growing old was ugly.
<!-- s --><!-- s --> your making him sound robotic. But in all seriousness i would actually love to kow what goes on inside michaels head sometimes, as i dont think he ever saw himself as ugly, well in the early years, but i think the vitiligo and the other thing he had began to make him paranoid about his looks.....
and for most people at that stage in life im sure Growing Old is ugly <!-- s --><!-- s -->
That is what mind control does to people - makes them robotic.
I can understand your reluctance to buy into any of it, I was the same way 10 months ago. But it's really important to learn about it and keep an open mind because the ones who have researched have found it to be a very real, and very scary possibility.
The hoax itself could be him breaking free from everything that was done to him over the years.
Very good points.
I think it's interesting what Cher said. I wonder if we could find that somewhere online?
It's interesting (if true) that it was planned and also that people knew about it.
Most times when people elect to have cosmetic surgery, they don't go around advertising it. They may tell close friends, or nobody at all because it's a personal decision.
Very interesting...
Didn't he say that in an interview?? That jow said his nose was too big and ugly?
Brain washing techniques exists since always, so yes, we can call it "mind control". Manipulation happens easier when you are in a fearful mood, tired or depressed and I bet Michael experienced all those mind stages after being isolated, not able to trust people and may be feeling lost and having the wrong company and friends around.
I doubt any chip was inserted inside of him. Brain washing could had happen at any time, specially after getting married with LMP, who apparently was a member of the Scientology "church" and introduced Michael in it. Everybody knows about their sectarian procedures to brainwash people.
Call it mind control, brainwashing, manipulation etc...all happen in the mind and no need of chip implant is required.
Theres this disease..a mental one..Its called Body Dysorphic disorder...wherein a person constantly feels that there is some or the other defect in his/her body that needs to be urgently rectified and that if it is not done then he/she will look ugly....in short, an imaginary defect that ofen causes low self-esteem and and bad self-perception......
I can tell this because as I have stated before, I have OCD.....but I dunno wether BDD is a fallout of OCD or not, but I have always hated my appearance..I have hated it since the day I learnt to look at the mirror consciously.....I have always looked at and craved for other kinds of faces..like more chiselled and well defined masuline ones that are realtively moe appreciated than the bloated uneven and unbalanced proportions that define my face.....As a result of this I still cant make eye contact with people when they are talking to me...I findd it hard to step outside my house because all the time I have this really really weird perception that people are mocking my ugliness......I know its a sily thing to say but its just that its a part of the symptoms I suffer from..and the feeling is so OVERWHELMING that its too difficult to get it out of my head...no matter how many times I try and reason with myself, THAT FEELING comes back to haunt me again and again....and its too difficult to resist that thought.....
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...And I can assure you that I am not robotic/"Mind Controlled".....Its just that I DONT lik the way I look .....I have NEVER liked it.......
Mike could hav had the same thoughts...I dont know...Its just a possible explanation.....
What I heard from him about those surgeries : Michael was mistreated when he was young. His father hurted him, first on a physical way, which really doesn't help a child to develop normal and love himself as any human being should. Then his father always said bad things about his nose, about him having big nose, not looking like his father...
Michael never loved his face, and he never wanted to grow up with a face that looked more and more to his father each day.
He always tried to deal with it, maybe not as we would have, but he just did what he could to feel better. It's HIS choice.
I'm not saying he had much done to his face, i think he only had the nosejobs and the chincleft and some botox later. But whatever he did, IMO he did it while being mind controlled.
the real MJ had 2 surgeries.. just like he said that in the Bashit Interview...
Did you ever see Michael listening to anyone, concerning his choice for his personnal life ? <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Oh, and I'm sorry but I definitly do not believe in "mind control" theory...it was never talked before his death, whereas his childhood leading to a need of change, and then skin disease to cope with... is more believable to me. Michael always had his noze critizised by his family, he was really under-estimating himself when he was a teen, because of spots on the face, then he had vitiligo starting...it was not easy for him. I guess he needn't mind control to decide to have a physical change. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
For the sake of argument, if Michael were under mind control abuse, and these changes were taking place, stories and reasons like the ones you mentioned would have to be released. So that really doesn't explain anything. If he was getting bad things done to him, the ones doing it would make up realistic reasons for those things.
to myself on these matters, but Michael Jackson had MORE
than procedures done to nose and chin!
Eyes, LIPS, nose, chin, at least one facelift. ALL of these,
or this is NOT Michael Jackson. <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
Yes, as did Cher and many others.
-zen
Zen, you are right. He, like all Hollywood Celebs, had the usual "Turn Back the Clock" Procedures: Face Lift, (or he would have pronounced jowls by age 40) Definite Brow LIft back in Bad Era (you can see how the brows are suddenly arched higher) Upper Eye Lid LIft, and there would have to have been a Neck lift cause it sags at the same rate as the face and usually face & neck are done together. (The Nose & cleft are NOT anti-aging procedures, they are just personal preferance enhancements) Almost all Celebs "Turn Back the Clock" with the various lifts every 8 to 10 yrs. so I don't know why MJ is singled out for this on a constant basis. Let's try to get over it, OK?
NO- He Does NOT have Jowls..and Never has! Like I said: ALL Celebs keep ahead of the aging process with on-going routine "lifts". Why are you taking this so personal? NOt only celebs do it, but every day nobodies like myself do it too <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
YOu state "how little he's ACTUALLY changed over the years" Well that's the Whole Point! They don't want to "change" over the years! They want to stay the same....that's why they have the lifts at periodic intervals. (You seem to be upset by this, and there is no reason to be upset...it's just a fact life of life)
I was just trying to think of possible reasons for the plastic surgery he did have (we know he had some, we do not know how much, and it's not really our business).
Yes, the surgery could just simply be what it is - cosmetic procedures to look better. But, as this hoax has taught me, we should consider other possibilities as well. Like Michael said himself, we cannot take everything for face value.