Michael actually didn't write 'Cry'. R Kelly did.
Michael said thousand times that he was NOT Jesus, but he was TRYING to be like him and make God proud, that's all. No need to worry Sarahli. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
<!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Yes, R. Kelly wrote that, but Michael did sing it without changing those lines... I don't think it was a wise thing as people can misunderstand it...
Anyway, it just came to my mind because of this thread.
Otherwise I know that Michael was always very humble in his interviews when he talked about his great talent, saying that it's a gift from God. I love him for this. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
ps: I also don't understand why he liked to "wear" angel-wings... Doesn't look that humble to me to be honest. I mean I can believe that he only wanted to say with that that he tries to be like an angel or Jesus, tries to go on that path, but again, it can be misunderstood. For example, when an angel covers him with her wings in his Will You Be There video, that's something clear and beautiful, which cannot be misunderstood.
I get what you're saying 'I don't sing it if I don't mean it'....well that's true he didn't change those lines but the interpretation is open to everyone so we cannot fix this unless Michael tells us exactly what he meant. It's difficult to know exactly what is in Michael's mind, obviously not possible, God knows best so I will just do that, put my trust in God. Michael says that he believes in God and wants to be like Jesus, closer to what purity of the soul is, maybe that the angel wings just represented what is pure not him being an angel. I presume. 'I'm only human' again.
I absolutely agree with you. With the line "I'm only human" as well <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> Basically I'm only worried that with this song and angel wings he gives an easy reason to his enemies to attack him - like with the History Teaser video. They said he was using anti-semite symbols in that video. Michael answered: he is not anti-semite, it's art.
Well, almost all artists can be misunderstood ("what did the poet wanted to say with that?" <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ) I know that, but Michael needs to be careful - unfortunately...
<!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> I wanted to add and your answer triggered that thought that the enemy will find any way to bring you down and I think that this is what happened with Michael, they tried hard. Therefore I believe that whatever Michael would have done they would have found a way to discredit/critize/diminish/twist his work, his words, and this is part of the reason why some people have a wrong appreciation of whom Michael really is. The way the enemy convey his message is through the media. They have done so many damages already. So in order to avoid that, did Michael had to be careful all the time with every single thing that he did/say? Did he had to tell himself "what will the haters say?". This makes me think of what they've done to him "because" of his love for the children. TWICE. An innocent and pure thing has been turned into hell. Does he had to avoid to be publicly with children because of what people would have said for example? No matter if he was innocent? The thought of it just makes me sick. This is an example of what I think cannot prevent the enemy to attack you, by preventing yourself from doing certain things just because of that, you give them the victory. I know that compared to angel wings it's maybe too much...or maybe not after all, maybe I'm off-topic so excuse me <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> . But hopefully Michael is one person who stands firm with his principals and beliefs "I'm a still remain the same. I'm unbreakable".
p.s.: when I use the past tense it's because Michael is momentarily out of sight.
Basically I agree with you again.
I just add that as Michael's life turned this bad because of those money-hungry people, IMHO he has to think as a polititian does: never do anything that can be attacked if he cannot clear his name easily from the accusations. It's very hard to live that way, but unfortunately this is what he has to face in his life. Prevention is much easier than clearing your name. I know that even the greatest polititians fail in this from time to time, but still, they use this technique as much as they can.
Probably Michael knows it better than me <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> I just shared my opinion.
Michael actually didn't write 'Cry'. R Kelly did.
Michael said thousand times that he was NOT Jesus, but he was TRYING to be like him and make God proud, that's all. No need to worry Sarahli. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
<!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Yes, R. Kelly wrote that, but Michael did sing it without changing those lines... I don't think it was a wise thing as people can misunderstand it...
Anyway, it just came to my mind because of this thread.
Otherwise I know that Michael was always very humble in his interviews when he talked about his great talent, saying that it's a gift from God. I love him for this. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
ps: I also don't understand why he liked to "wear" angel-wings... Doesn't look that humble to me to be honest. I mean I can believe that he only wanted to say with that that he tries to be like an angel or Jesus, tries to go on that path, but again, it can be misunderstood. For example, when an angel covers him with her wings in his Will You Be There video, that's something clear and beautiful, which cannot be misunderstood.
I get what you're saying 'I don't sing it if I don't mean it'....well that's true he didn't change those lines but the interpretation is open to everyone so we cannot fix this unless Michael tells us exactly what he meant. It's difficult to know exactly what is in Michael's mind, obviously not possible, God knows best so I will just do that, put my trust in God. Michael says that he believes in God and wants to be like Jesus, closer to what purity of the soul is, maybe that the angel wings just represented what is pure not him being an angel. I presume. 'I'm only human' again.
I absolutely agree with you. With the line "I'm only human" as well <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> Basically I'm only worried that with this song and angel wings he gives an easy reason to his enemies to attack him - like with the History Teaser video. They said he was using anti-semite symbols in that video. Michael answered: he is not anti-semite, it's art.
Well, almost all artists can be misunderstood ("what did the poet wanted to say with that?" <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ) I know that, but Michael needs to be careful - unfortunately...
<!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> I wanted to add and your answer triggered that thought that the enemy will find any way to bring you down and I think that this is what happened with Michael, they tried hard. Therefore I believe that whatever Michael would have done they would have found a way to discredit/critize/diminish/twist his work, his words, and this is part of the reason why some people have a wrong appreciation of whom Michael really is. The way the enemy convey his message is through the media. They have done so many damages already. So in order to avoid that, did Michael had to be careful all the time with every single thing that he did/say? Did he had to tell himself "what will the haters say?". This makes me think of what they've done to him "because" of his love for the children. TWICE. An innocent and pure thing has been turned into hell. Does he had to avoid to be publicly with children because of what people would have said for example? No matter if he was innocent? The thought of it just makes me sick. This is an example of what I think cannot prevent the enemy to attack you, by preventing yourself from doing certain things just because of that, you give them the victory. I know that compared to angel wings it's maybe too much...or maybe not after all, maybe I'm off-topic so excuse me <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> . But hopefully Michael is one person who stands firm with his principals and beliefs "I'm a still remain the same. I'm unbreakable".
p.s.: when I use the past tense it's because Michael is momentarily out of sight.
Basically I agree with you again.
I just add that as Michael's life turned this bad because of those money-hungry people, IMHO he has to think as a polititian does: never do anything that can be attacked if he cannot clear his name easily from the accusations. It's very hard to live that way, but unfortunately this is what he has to face in his life. Prevention is much easier than clearing your name. I know that even the greatest polititians fail in this from time to time, but still, they use this technique as much as they can.
Probably Michael knows it better than me <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> I just shared my opinion.
Yes some precautions are needed, a kind of armor, I basically also agree with you <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
This connection seems really out there but it does validate so many of us who feel a strong spiritual connection to Michael's death and who have been almost uncontrollably drawn to this site--those of us who liked his music but were never "fans" so to speak. This is one of those spiritual moments when it's almost too much knowledge to attempt to absorb let alone understand.
Serenity- thanks so much.
This is exactly how I feel also Rita Hayworth! I've been drawn to Michael in a totally "spiritual" way...this journey really has changed my life and it is so good to know there are others out there, who are having similar experiences. Michael has definitely brought us together through a "spiritual" realm and some of the info I've uncovered is mind boggling, but at the same time, it makes perfect sense to me.
Blessings and L.O.V.E
In the video Michael is dressed in a Military uniform, leading an army parade in celebration of victory.
Revelation 12:7-8 (King James Version)
7nd there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
In other words Archangel Michael and his Army of angel (Army of Love?) fought and is victorious against Satan and his army.
The Number 777
777 Armband
Judaism
The numbers 3 and 7 are considered both "perfect numbers" under Hebrew tradition
Orthodox Church
777 represents the threefold perfection of the Trinity
777 is God's number
You can also see angels atop of columns lining the parade ground.
And an Arch of Triumph which are found all over the world.
Triumphal Arch
A triumphal arch is a structure in the shape of a monumental archway, in theory built to celebrate a victory in war.
Pentagrams
Pentagrams were used symbolically in ancient Greece and Babylonia as a symbol of faith akin to the use of the cross by Christians and the Star of David by Jews. Christians commonly used the pentagram to represent the five wounds of Jesus.
The pentagram is used as a Christian symbol for the five senses, and if the letters S, A, L, V, and S are inscribed in the points, it can be taken as a symbol of health (from Latin salus). Medieval Christians believed that the "pentalpha" symbolizes the five wounds of Christ. The pentagram was believed to protect against witches and demons.
Christ as a Pentagram, from Valeriano Bolzani's Hieroglyphica (Basel, 1556)
The pentagram figured in a heavily symbolic Arthurian romance: it appears on the shield of Sir Gawain in the 14th century poem Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. As the poet explains, the five points of the star each have five meanings: they represent the five senses, the five fingers, the five wounds of Christ, the five joys that Mary had of Jesus (the Annunciation, the Nativity, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and the Assumption), and the five virtues of knighthood which Gawain hopes to embody: noble generosity, fellowship, purity, courtesy, and compassion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram
It is pretty clear to me, that Michael was displaying the Christian Pentagram
The Eyes of Horus
"Let the Eye of Horus come forth from the god and shine outside his mouth." The Pyramid Texts
Horus "who rules with two eyes"
Utchat
The word utchat, sometimes spelled udjat, refers to Egypt's sacred eye symbol. The right eye is called the Eye of Ra, symbolizing the sun. The left is called the Eye of Thoth, symbolizing the moon. Both eyes together are the Two Eyes Of . The eye is the part of the body able to perceive light, and is therefore the symbol for spiritual ability.
The Right Eye of Horus represents concrete factual information controlled by the left brain. It deals with words, letters, and numbers and those things which are describable in terms of sentences or complete thoughts. It approaches the universe in terms of male oriented ideation.
The Left Eye of Horus represents abstract aesthetic information controlled by the right brain. It deals with esoteric thoughts and feelings and is responsible for intuition. It approaches the universe in terms of female oriented ideation. We use the Left Eye, female oriented, right side of our brain for feeling and intuition. http://www.sangraal.com/library/eyesofhorus.htm
Horus The Elder
Is one of the oldest gods of Egypt. He was a sky god, whose face was visualized as the face of the sun. As a result his name ("Heru") was sometimes translated as "face", rather than "distant one", and was sometimes modified to "Herut" ("sky").
He was originally considered to be the counterpart and enemy of Set.While Horus represented Lower Egypt, Set represented Upper Egypt, and the two were locked in a battle which would not be won or lost until the world ended and everything slipped back into chaos. This myth evolved and soon it was thought that Horus and Set fought for eighty years before the Council of the Gods ruled that Horus should rule Egypt. It may seem strange that Horus was associated with Lower Egypt and yet he is associated with Nekhen, in Upper Egypt. It has been suggested that Horus actually originated in Upper Egypt (as Horus Behedet in Behedet) and that his cult spread north with the unification of the country under Narmer or Hor Aha
He was the son or husband of Hathor and was considered to be a creator god and the archetypal king. His right eye was the sun and his left eye was the moon and images of the "Eyes of Horus" were considered to be powerful protective amulets.His speckled feathers formed the stars and his wings created the wind. http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/heruur.html
At 2:30 in the History Trailer. The statue of Michael covered in the white sheet and surrounded by helicopters reminded me of his body in the white sheet and helicopters taking him from UCLA to the coroners. Please tell me I am not going mad.
At 2:30 in the History Trailer. The statue of Michael covered in the white sheet and surrounded by helicopters reminded me of his body in the white sheet and helicopters taking him from UCLA to the coroners. Please tell me I am not going mad.
I believe you are not going mad, because everything is interconnected, and we here are seeing it unfold before our very eyes, almost like a fulfillment of thousand details of historical symbolism and stories.
I hope you don't mind but since this is more a religious thread I will post what I posted late last night on the thread <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14414&p=245383#p245383<!-- l -->
because I don't know if anyone saw it.
by MJonmind » Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:00 am
From Serenitys_Dream on page 2
Revelation 5:5 (King James Version)
1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
I want to zero in on the painting on page 2 of Michael, sitting and holding the book with the key, also going with the Revelation verses that SD posted about it, but adding something to it. My computer has a virus and won't allow me to do a lot a normal functions and I can't post the picture. Could someone post it for me please? Thanks. Even when I put the whole post of SD's the painting won't show up for some strange reason. I'll have to ask my son to redo the system soon.
I'm feeling a sense of awe while I'm seeing the beauty in this painting and a new aspect I hadn't noticed before. There is a prominent curtain or veil being brushed or held aside to reveal Michael who is holding the book and key. Here is what the Bible says about this veil.
Isaiah 25:6-8 (New King James Version)
6 And in this mountain
The LORD of hosts will make for all people
A feast of choice pieces,
A feast of wines on the lees,
Of fat things full of marrow,
Of well-refined wines on the lees.
7 And He will destroy on this mountain
The surface of the covering cast over all people, And the veil that is spread over all nations.
8 He will swallow up death forever,
And the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces;
The rebuke of His people
He will take away from all the earth;
For the LORD has spoken.
The whole world is blinded and cannot see truth until the Messiah, the Christ removes this veil over people's eyes and hearts. Also remember the 2nd and 3rd verses of the song as they carry MJ's casket in, "No more crying there...no more dying there."
Matthew 27:51-53 (New King James Version)
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
This one doesn't relate as much to the painting, but the graves opening right when Jesus died, and people coming out alive reminds me of Thriller 2, resurrection!
2 Corinthians 3:12-18 (New King James Version)
12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— 13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Not only is the veil a picture of not seeing clearly until the Messiah comes, but here is the idea of looking in the mirror and seeing Christ reflected in us, just as Michael sang about the man in the mirror, making that change.
Hebrews 6:19-20 (New King James Version)
19 This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, 20 where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.
In the painting the curtain or veil is swept away and we enter with Michael there. This Melchizedek is an interesting person as well. If you read up on him, many theologians believe he is another of the pre-incarnate forms of the Messiah Christ, just as Archangel Michael is.
Hebrews 9:2-5
2 For a tabernacle was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary; 3 and behind the second veil, the part of the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of All, 4 which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant; 5 and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail....24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
This inner veil is what separates us from the Ark of the Covenant, but Christ removes that veil. Remember the Ark of the Covenant being announced the day of MJ's "death". And the earthly Ark may not be as important as the one up above, the real one. I remember one poster saying the similarity of the Ark having the mercy seat between the 2 archangels, to the tomb where Jesus had lain--Jesus between 2 angels who sat at each end when Peter looked in the empty tomb.
Song of Solomon 4:1-2
1 Behold, you are fair, my love!
Behold, you are fair!
You have dove’s eyes behind your veil.
Finally here is the book SD referring to in another thread about the Song of Solomon being a picture of the Messiah/Christ's love for His bride, the church which is the world-wide body of believers (not a building). We can tell that he can see her eyes through the veil. I don't believe a veil is the same as a curtain, but that you can faintly see through, as a bride would be covered with a veil so her soon to be husband can barely see her, and lifts the veil to kiss her when the clergy announce they are man and wife. Christ and his bride.
I think Michael's been reading all these same passages of Scripture through the years.
At 2:30 in the History Trailer. The statue of Michael covered in the white sheet and surrounded by helicopters reminded me of his body in the white sheet and helicopters taking him from UCLA to the coroners. Please tell me I am not going mad.
In the video Michael is dressed in a Military uniform, leading an army parade in celebration of victory.
Revelation 12:7-8 (King James Version)
7nd there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
In other words Archangel Michael and his Army of angel (Army of Love?) fought and is victorious against Satan and his army.
The Number 777
777 Armband
Judaism
The numbers 3 and 7 are considered both "perfect numbers" under Hebrew tradition
Orthodox Church
777 represents the threefold perfection of the Trinity
777 is God's number
You can also see angels atop of columns lining the parade ground.
And an Arch of Triumph which are found all over the world.
Triumphal Arch
A triumphal arch is a structure in the shape of a monumental archway, in theory built to celebrate a victory in war.
Pentagrams
Pentagrams were used symbolically in ancient Greece and Babylonia as a symbol of faith akin to the use of the cross by Christians and the Star of David by Jews. Christians commonly used the pentagram to represent the five wounds of Jesus.
The pentagram is used as a Christian symbol for the five senses, and if the letters S, A, L, V, and S are inscribed in the points, it can be taken as a symbol of health (from Latin salus). Medieval Christians believed that the "pentalpha" symbolizes the five wounds of Christ. The pentagram was believed to protect against witches and demons.
Christ as a Pentagram, from Valeriano Bolzani's Hieroglyphica (Basel, 1556)
The pentagram figured in a heavily symbolic Arthurian romance: it appears on the shield of Sir Gawain in the 14th century poem Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. As the poet explains, the five points of the star each have five meanings: they represent the five senses, the five fingers, the five wounds of Christ, the five joys that Mary had of Jesus (the Annunciation, the Nativity, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and the Assumption), and the five virtues of knighthood which Gawain hopes to embody: noble generosity, fellowship, purity, courtesy, and compassion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram
It is pretty clear to me, that Michael was displaying the Christian Pentagram
The Eyes of Horus
"Let the Eye of Horus come forth from the god and shine outside his mouth." The Pyramid Texts
Horus "who rules with two eyes"
Utchat
The word utchat, sometimes spelled udjat, refers to Egypt's sacred eye symbol. The right eye is called the Eye of Ra, symbolizing the sun. The left is called the Eye of Thoth, symbolizing the moon. Both eyes together are the Two Eyes Of . The eye is the part of the body able to perceive light, and is therefore the symbol for spiritual ability.
The Right Eye of Horus represents concrete factual information controlled by the left brain. It deals with words, letters, and numbers and those things which are describable in terms of sentences or complete thoughts. It approaches the universe in terms of male oriented ideation.
The Left Eye of Horus represents abstract aesthetic information controlled by the right brain. It deals with esoteric thoughts and feelings and is responsible for intuition. It approaches the universe in terms of female oriented ideation. We use the Left Eye, female oriented, right side of our brain for feeling and intuition. http://www.sangraal.com/library/eyesofhorus.htm
Horus The Elder
Is one of the oldest gods of Egypt. He was a sky god, whose face was visualized as the face of the sun. As a result his name ("Heru") was sometimes translated as "face", rather than "distant one", and was sometimes modified to "Herut" ("sky").
He was originally considered to be the counterpart and enemy of Set.While Horus represented Lower Egypt, Set represented Upper Egypt, and the two were locked in a battle which would not be won or lost until the world ended and everything slipped back into chaos. This myth evolved and soon it was thought that Horus and Set fought for eighty years before the Council of the Gods ruled that Horus should rule Egypt. It may seem strange that Horus was associated with Lower Egypt and yet he is associated with Nekhen, in Upper Egypt. It has been suggested that Horus actually originated in Upper Egypt (as Horus Behedet in Behedet) and that his cult spread north with the unification of the country under Narmer or Hor Aha
He was the son or husband of Hathor and was considered to be a creator god and the archetypal king. His right eye was the sun and his left eye was the moon and images of the "Eyes of Horus" were considered to be powerful protective amulets.His speckled feathers formed the stars and his wings created the wind. http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/heruur.html
Hello Serenity!!!
Thank you very much about your post ,its very helpfull!!!!
Like Souza said Michael has something with number 7. Talking about 777 I have some more intresting pictures with Michael wearing this magic number,here it is:
Michael at the trial from 2005 LOVE from Romania!!!
In the video Michael is dressed in a Military uniform, leading an army parade in celebration of victory.
Revelation 12:7-8 (King James Version)
7nd there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
In other words Archangel Michael and his Army of angel (Army of Love?) fought and is victorious against Satan and his army.
In his speech on his 45th birthday celebration, Michael not only said that his fans are his army of love, he also mentioned that he's often been asked why he often puts soldiers on stage during his concerts, and said that they are soldiers of love.
Thank you very much to you all, especially Serenity, for the very interesting informations in this thread. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
At 2:30 in the History Trailer. [youtube:76v29tfl] statue of Michael covered in the white sheet and surrounded by helicopters reminded me of his body in the white sheet and helicopters taking him from UCLA to the coroners. Please tell me I am not going mad.
no you're not..actually it's a good point!
@ Le Papillon Bleu, thank you for acknowledging my comment, also thank you @Mjonmind, I was contemplating posting my comment somewhere else but realised that Serenitys Dream has written a lot about sheets in the first post on this thread, so I will leave it here as I think it is relevant after all.
A big thank you to Serenitys Dream, your posts are always a fascinating, thought provoking and riveting read
I remember one poster saying the similarity of the Ark having the mercy seat between the 2 archangels, to the tomb where Jesus had lain--Jesus between 2 angels who sat at each end when Peter looked in the empty tomb.
The True Ark
With regard to this concept of Christ as our mercy seat, let me add a penetrating insight which I picked up from John MacArthur, one of this country's greatest preachers. He pointed to a simple historical verse that contains a profound truth about Jesus being our mercy seat.
The verse is John 20:12. Speaking of Mary looking into the empty tomb of Jesus, the verse says, "she beheld two angels in white sitting, one at the head, and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had been lying."
What Mary saw, MacArthur observed, was the new mercy seat, the perfect mercy seat.
Consider again what Mary saw. She witnessed two angels, one sitting at each end of the slab which had held the broken body of our Lord. That scene points us back to the Ark of the Covenant where two cherubim hovered over its blood splattered mercy seat!
There is no more need for the Ark. Jesus has fulfilled all that the Ark stood for. He was deity who took on flesh. He rendered complete obedience to the Law, being made perfect and becoming the source of our salvation (Hebrews 5:8-9). His blood was shed for our sins, and His victory is attested by the fact and the power of His resurrection.
Just as the Ark was designed to be a symbol of the presence of God in the midst of His people, Jesus is the ultimate expression of God's love and care and presence. He is our Ark. He is our Law. He is our Manna. He is our Budded Rod. And, thank God, He is our Mercy Seat.
I find it very interesting that the scripture in which Mary saw 2 angels in white one at each end of where Jesus was resting is John 20:12
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The whole passage.^^^^^^^^
Also I think that some of this info on this thread could be placed in the above thread.
"Writings on the wall"
The Key...and The book painting take on a new meaning.
Revelation 20 (Amplified Bible)
1 THEN I saw an angel descending from heaven; he was holding the key of the Abyss (the bottomless pit) and a great chain was in his hand.
2 And he gripped and overpowered the dragon, that old serpent [of primeval times], who is the devil and Satan, and [securely] bound him for a thousand years.
3 Then he hurled him into the Abyss (the bottomless pit) and closed it and sealed it above him, so that he should no longer lead astray and deceive and seduce the nations until the thousand years were at an end. After that he must be liberated for a short time.
4 Then I saw thrones, and sitting on them were those to whom authority to act as judges and to pass sentence was entrusted. Also I saw the souls of those who had been slain with axes [beheaded] for their witnessing to Jesus and [for preaching and testifying] for the Word of God, and who had refused to pay homage to the beast or his statue and had not accepted his mark or permitted it to be stamped on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived again and ruled with Christ (the Messiah) a thousand years.
5 The remainder of the dead were not restored to life again until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed (happy, to be envied) and holy (spiritually whole, of unimpaired innocence and proved virtue) is the person who takes part (shares) in the first resurrection! Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, but they shall be ministers of God and of Christ (the Messiah), and they shall rule along with Him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his place of confinement,
8 And he will go forth to deceive and seduce and lead astray the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth--Gog and Magog--to muster them for war; their number is like the sand of the sea.
9 And they swarmed up over the broad plain of the earth and encircled the fortress (camp) of God's people (the saints) and the beloved city; but fire descended from heaven and consumed them. [II Kings 1:10-12; Ezek. 38:2, 22.]
10 Then the devil who had led them astray [deceiving and seducing them] was hurled into the fiery lake of burning brimstone, where the beast and false prophet were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever (through the ages of the ages).
11 Then I saw a great white throne and the One Who was seated upon it, from Whose presence and from the sight of Whose face earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
12 I [also] saw the dead, great and small; they stood before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life. And the dead were judged (sentenced) by what they had done their whole way of feeling and acting, their aims and endeavors] in accordance with what was recorded in the books.
13 And the sea delivered up the dead who were in it, death and Hades [the state of death or disembodied existence) surrendered the dead in them, and all were tried and their cases determined by what they had done [according to their motives, aims, and works].
14 Then death and Hades [the state of death or disembodied existence) were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone's [name] was not found recorded in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire.
I have just recently came to understand Revelation 12:1-2.... that God will soon do away with the Devil's influence over the earth and rid all wickedness, can't wait !!!!! Oh, and who is that angel again battling with Satan? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I don't quite understand the Ark of the Conevant and have always thought that it was destroyed and just doesn't exist any longer, any more thoughts?
There are two interesting lines in "Cry" - which I have to admit, cannot understand...
[Verse 1]
Somebody shakes when the wind blows
Somebody's missing a friend, hold on
Somebody's lacking a hero
And they have not a clue
When it's all gonna end
[Verse 2]
Stories buried and untold
Someone is hiding the truth, hold on
When will this mystery unfold
And will the sun ever shine
In the blind man's eyes when he cries?
[Chorus:]
You can change the world (I can't do it by myself)
You can touch the sky (Gonna take somebody's help) You're the chosen one (I'm gonna need some kind of sign)
If we all cry at the same time tonight
[Verse 3]
People laugh when they're feelin sad
Someone is taking a life, hold on
Respect to believe in your dreams
Tell me where were you
when your children cried last night?
[Verse 4]
Faces fill with madness
Miracles unheard of, hold on
Faith is found in the winds
All we have to do
Is reach for the truth
[Chorus]
And when that flag blows
There'll be no more wars And when all calls
I will answer all your prayers
[Chorus x3]
Change the world
Michael IS the chosen one <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
HE will answer all our prayers <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
Sorry if I misunderstand... but is he saying that he is someone like Jesus or he is God-like?
I find Michael's last supper version unhealthy... Honestly, I don't like it.
Michael is a great human, but for me he is only a human.
There are two interesting lines in "Cry" - which I have to admit, cannot understand...
[Verse 1]
Somebody shakes when the wind blows
Somebody's missing a friend, hold on
Somebody's lacking a hero
And they have not a clue
When it's all gonna end
[Verse 2]
Stories buried and untold
Someone is hiding the truth, hold on
When will this mystery unfold
And will the sun ever shine
In the blind man's eyes when he cries?
[Chorus:]
You can change the world (I can't do it by myself)
You can touch the sky (Gonna take somebody's help) You're the chosen one (I'm gonna need some kind of sign)
If we all cry at the same time tonight
[Verse 3]
People laugh when they're feelin sad
Someone is taking a life, hold on
Respect to believe in your dreams
Tell me where were you
when your children cried last night?
[Verse 4]
Faces fill with madness
Miracles unheard of, hold on
Faith is found in the winds
All we have to do
Is reach for the truth
[Chorus]
And when that flag blows
There'll be no more wars And when all calls
I will answer all your prayers
[Chorus x3]
Change the world
Michael IS the chosen one <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
HE will answer all our prayers <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
Sorry if I misunderstand... but is he saying that he is someone like Jesus or he is God-like?
I find Michael's last supper version unhealthy... Honestly, I don't like it.
Michael is a great human, but for me he is only a human.
i cannot believe that i never noticed before that michael didn't write this song.
is there any kind of imformation about the artist motivation for it.?
i may have to reexamine a few things in my perspective of this whole thing.
Archangel Michael
Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventists, and certain New Age Christian denominations refer to Michael as the Christ Michael, or Christ before he became man. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28archangel%29
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Michael is one of the names Jesus has in heaven. In this view, Michael is the first and greatest of all God's creatures, the chief messenger of Jehovah that takes the lead in vindicating God's sovereignty, sanctifying God's name, fighting the forces of Satan and protecting God's people on earth. (Revelation 12:7; 19:14,16• Daniel 12:1) This belief is held because of the prominence Michael has among the heavenly sons of God in the Bible, the similarity of Michael’s and Jesus’ mission and the connection of Jesus with the archangelic office in 1 Thessalonians 4:16, where it is said: "Because the Lord himself will descend from Heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice." Taking also into account that the Bible refers to one archangel only using a definite article (Jude 9), Jehovah's Witnesses have concluded that Michael and Jesus are one and the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel#Jehovah.27s_Witnesses
Thank you Serenitys_Dream... interesting video !!!
I don't question that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ. I hope my post wasn't misunderstood.
Here is a link with regards to JW's belief about Michael the archangel.
Number 777
Here is something interesting that may be related to these numbers.
Does anyone think that these letters in Hebrew look like 3 7's ????
Please be gentle with me....I am stepping out a little here.
Judaism
The numbers 3 and 7 are considered both "perfect numbers" under Hebrew tradition
Orthodox Church
777 represents the threefold perfection of the Trinity
777 is God's number
I'm not really well-educated in this field, but something is not clear for me...
Why is 777 God's number? Where can I find something about it in the Bible?
Where can I read more about that orthodox church connection? I only find that in numerology 777 is the number of the Trinity.
What really bugs me is that 777 is also the number which was used by the crazy Aleister Crowley. And scientology is based on his stupid teachings. And LMP is a scientologist...
I don't want to suggest anything with it, I just summarized what I know about this number.
For example here <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/777_(number<!-- m -->)#Orthodox_Church
I can read only these:
Judaism
The numbers 3 and 7 are considered both "perfect numbers" under Hebrew tradition.[citation needed]
Orthodox Church
According to the American publication, the Orthodox Study Bible, 777 represents the threefold perfection of the Trinity.[citation needed]
Thelema
777 is also found in the title of the book 777 and Other Qabalistic Writings of Aleister Crowley pertaining to the law of thelema.
Why did Michael used numbers anyway...? It would have been clearer if he wrote his messages in words... For examle 'LOVE' on his armband...By the way the red stars can be misunderstood as well...
All in all I cannot really understand why he chose these symbols.
Judaism
The numbers 3 and 7 are considered both "perfect numbers" under Hebrew tradition
Orthodox Church
777 represents the threefold perfection of the Trinity
777 is God's number
I'm not really well-educated in this field, but something is not clear for me...
Why is 777 God's number? Where can I find something about it in the Bible?
Where can I read more about that orthodox church connection? I only find that in numerology 777 is the number of the Trinity.
What really bugs me is that 777 is also the number which was used by the crazy Aleister Crowley. And scientology is based on his stupid teachings. And LMP is a scientologist...
I don't want to suggest anything with it, I just summarized what I know about this number.
For example here <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/777_(number<!-- m -->)#Orthodox_Church
I can read only these:
Judaism
The numbers 3 and 7 are considered both "perfect numbers" under Hebrew tradition.[citation needed]
Orthodox Church
According to the American publication, the Orthodox Study Bible, 777 represents the threefold perfection of the Trinity.[citation needed]
Thelema
777 is also found in the title of the book 777 and Other Qabalistic Writings of Aleister Crowley pertaining to the law of thelema.
Why did Michael used numbers anyway...? It would have been clearer if he wrote his messages in words... For examle 'LOVE' on his armband...By the way the red stars can be misunderstood as well...
All in all I cannot really understand why he chose these symbols.
Attributes of the Number 7
Spirituality, wisdom, solitary, the inner-self, the inner-life, inner-strength, independence, birth, re-birth, individuality, purpose, the specialist, inventor, loner, eccentric, thoughtful, psychic, natural healer, inner-strength, quick-wit, discernment, an understanding of others, philosophy, endurance, deep contemplation, the mystic, psychic abilities, a keen mind, determination, knowledge-seeking, non-conformist, persistence of purpose, perfection, the path of solitude, analysis, contemplation, sacred vows.
7 is a mystical number symbolizing wisdom, the seven charkas, and the seven heavens. The number 7 symbolizes humanity's deep inner need to find depth, purpose, meaning and spiritual connection. http://hubpages.com/hub/Angel-Numbers-Recurring-7s
Disclaimer:
The following article had some good examples of why the number 777 is considered "God's" number. The views in regards to "Satan" belong to the writer of the article and are not necessarily mine. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
The Number 777
The number seven has deep spiritual significance. It has been held sacred by the Hebrews and other Semite peoples since the dawn of time. It represents perfection and holiness. It is used throughout the Scriptures and in this sense is the Almighty's Number.
A few examples:
* Samson's seven locks of consecration. (Judges 16:13-19)
* The seven pillars of wisdom's house. (Proverbs 9:1)
* The sevenfold sign of total commitment and dependence (2 Chron. 29: 20-21)
* The seven lambs to attest the conclusion of a peace treaty. (Genesis 21:28-30)
* The seven fold sprinkling of blood before cleansing was complete. (Lev:16:19)
* The seven week count to Pentecost, the seven year count to the sabbatical year and the seven times seven year count to the Jubilee year. (Lev. 23:15, Lev.25:1-9)
* The seven candlesticks, seven churches, seven stars, seven seals, seven trumpets, seven thunders, and seven plagues mentioned in the book of Revelation etc.
In addition to these examples, and there are many more, the Almighty has blessed each seventh portion of time in The Sacred Calendar: the The Seventh Day of the Week, the seventh year and also the seventh thousanth year period referred to by Bible students as the Millennium. Together with the Festivals of the God of Israel these all express the concept of totality, maturity, holiness and absolute perfection.
The triple sevens (777) numerically symbolize Yahweh, the Father of Yahshua the Messiah. He is the pinnacle of perfection, power and purity. The number 777 may also be the numeric value of some word or group of words: we do not know. Satan has hijacked this number and uses it in all kinds of bizarre ways; but as far as Scripture is concerned, seven is the number of perfection and holiness.
The number 777 numerically expresses the Almighty's Truth as regards His 7th day Sabbath, His 7 annual Sabbaths, His 7th year Sabbath and His 7th thousand year Sabbath - the millennium. We could go further and write 7777777 - ad infinitum, or 70 times 7, with each additional seven representing another perfect revelation of His character: but 777 will do for the time being.
By contrast the treble sixes - 666 - represent Satan the perfection of imperfection: the unholy and immature one: the one who will always fall short of Yahweh's moral stature just as the number 6 will always fall short of the number 7. Perhaps that is why Satan seeks to abolish every sacred seventh portion of time in the calendar of the Almighty: because his evil mind is totally incapable of ever matching the majesty, might and maturity of Yahweh the Holy One of Israel. http://www.sabbathcovenant.com/doctrine/number_777.htm
Disclaimer:
The following article had some good examples of why the number 777 is considered "God's" number. The views in regards to "Satan" belong to the writer of the article and are not necessarily mine. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Haaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
The number 7 had (as we have seen) many uses. Was a magic number, Divine.
Among the western races, the canon of beauty revolves around the classic canon of Polykleitos of Argos, Greek sculptor, the most popular Greek beauty standard that through generations came to us and in which the height of the human being is equal to 7 times the height of the head. Polykleitos, concerned to achieve ideal proportions of the male human body, based on mathematics...the artistic ideal and conception of beauty.
Thank you Serenitys_Dream and Gema for your help!
I didn't have enough time yet to think it over thoroughly, but I plan to do it later, as I would really like to understand why Michael loves 777.
By the way number 7 is clear for me, I like that number <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> , it's only 777 I have problems with. And I would like to find it in the Bible rather than getting other explanations for it, like from esotericism, gematria, numerology etc...
Because from my experiences we tend to read almost anything into things if we want to get an "answer" or "clue".
Age of Lamech, father of Noah, when he died. In the posterity of Seth, Lamech is the last patriarch before the flood. (Gn 5,31) I haven't checked yet what they refer to... but if you can explain to me, that would be very helpful. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
The book of the Genesis contains 777+777-21 or 1553 verses. This is too farfetched for me. If you want to get something "interesting" with number 5, for example, I bet you can. Not especially for the number of the verses but something else in connection with the book of the Genesis.
The number 777 is used 1 time in the Bible. Where?
The word priest is used 777 times in the Bible. Okay, but how many times the word "faith" or "love" is used? Why did they chose "priest"? Because it's used 777 times?
As I said I will try to think it over better in the future. Thanks again! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Comments
I just add that as Michael's life turned this bad because of those money-hungry people, IMHO he has to think as a polititian does: never do anything that can be attacked if he cannot clear his name easily from the accusations. It's very hard to live that way, but unfortunately this is what he has to face in his life. Prevention is much easier than clearing your name. I know that even the greatest polititians fail in this from time to time, but still, they use this technique as much as they can.
Probably Michael knows it better than me <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> I just shared my opinion.
Yes some precautions are needed, a kind of armor, I basically also agree with you <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
This is exactly how I feel also Rita Hayworth! I've been drawn to Michael in a totally "spiritual" way...this journey really has changed my life and it is so good to know there are others out there, who are having similar experiences. Michael has definitely brought us together through a "spiritual" realm and some of the info I've uncovered is mind boggling, but at the same time, it makes perfect sense to me.
Blessings and L.O.V.E
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In the video Michael is dressed in a Military uniform, leading an army parade in celebration of victory.
Revelation 12:7-8 (King James Version)
7nd there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
In other words Archangel Michael and his Army of angel (Army of Love?) fought and is victorious against Satan and his army.
The Number 777
777 Armband
Judaism
The numbers 3 and 7 are considered both "perfect numbers" under Hebrew tradition
Orthodox Church
777 represents the threefold perfection of the Trinity
777 is God's number
You can also see angels atop of columns lining the parade ground.
And an Arch of Triumph which are found all over the world.
Triumphal Arch
A triumphal arch is a structure in the shape of a monumental archway, in theory built to celebrate a victory in war.
Pentagrams
Pentagrams were used symbolically in ancient Greece and Babylonia as a symbol of faith akin to the use of the cross by Christians and the Star of David by Jews. Christians commonly used the pentagram to represent the five wounds of Jesus.
The pentagram is used as a Christian symbol for the five senses, and if the letters S, A, L, V, and S are inscribed in the points, it can be taken as a symbol of health (from Latin salus). Medieval Christians believed that the "pentalpha" symbolizes the five wounds of Christ. The pentagram was believed to protect against witches and demons.
Christ as a Pentagram, from Valeriano Bolzani's Hieroglyphica (Basel, 1556)
The pentagram figured in a heavily symbolic Arthurian romance: it appears on the shield of Sir Gawain in the 14th century poem Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. As the poet explains, the five points of the star each have five meanings: they represent the five senses, the five fingers, the five wounds of Christ, the five joys that Mary had of Jesus (the Annunciation, the Nativity, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and the Assumption), and the five virtues of knighthood which Gawain hopes to embody: noble generosity, fellowship, purity, courtesy, and compassion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram
It is pretty clear to me, that Michael was displaying the Christian Pentagram
The Eyes of Horus
"Let the Eye of Horus come forth from the god and shine outside his mouth." The Pyramid Texts
Horus "who rules with two eyes"
Utchat
The word utchat, sometimes spelled udjat, refers to Egypt's sacred eye symbol. The right eye is called the Eye of Ra, symbolizing the sun. The left is called the Eye of Thoth, symbolizing the moon. Both eyes together are the Two Eyes Of . The eye is the part of the body able to perceive light, and is therefore the symbol for spiritual ability.
The Right Eye of Horus represents concrete factual information controlled by the left brain. It deals with words, letters, and numbers and those things which are describable in terms of sentences or complete thoughts. It approaches the universe in terms of male oriented ideation.
The Left Eye of Horus represents abstract aesthetic information controlled by the right brain. It deals with esoteric thoughts and feelings and is responsible for intuition. It approaches the universe in terms of female oriented ideation. We use the Left Eye, female oriented, right side of our brain for feeling and intuition.
http://www.sangraal.com/library/eyesofhorus.htm
Horus The Elder
Is one of the oldest gods of Egypt. He was a sky god, whose face was visualized as the face of the sun. As a result his name ("Heru") was sometimes translated as "face", rather than "distant one", and was sometimes modified to "Herut" ("sky").
He was originally considered to be the counterpart and enemy of Set. While Horus represented Lower Egypt, Set represented Upper Egypt, and the two were locked in a battle which would not be won or lost until the world ended and everything slipped back into chaos. This myth evolved and soon it was thought that Horus and Set fought for eighty years before the Council of the Gods ruled that Horus should rule Egypt. It may seem strange that Horus was associated with Lower Egypt and yet he is associated with Nekhen, in Upper Egypt. It has been suggested that Horus actually originated in Upper Egypt (as Horus Behedet in Behedet) and that his cult spread north with the unification of the country under Narmer or Hor Aha
He was the son or husband of Hathor and was considered to be a creator god and the archetypal king. His right eye was the sun and his left eye was the moon and images of the "Eyes of Horus" were considered to be powerful protective amulets. His speckled feathers formed the stars and his wings created the wind.
http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/heruur.html
I hope you don't mind but since this is more a religious thread I will post what I posted late last night on the thread <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14414&p=245383#p245383<!-- l -->
because I don't know if anyone saw it.
Hello Serenity!!!
Thank you very much about your post ,its very helpfull!!!!
Like Souza said Michael has something with number 7. Talking about 777 I have some more intresting pictures with Michael wearing this magic number,here it is:
Michael at the trial from 2005
LOVE from Romania!!!
Thank you very much to you all, especially Serenity, for the very interesting informations in this thread. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
A big thank you to Serenitys Dream, your posts are always a fascinating, thought provoking and riveting read
Hi MJonmind,
I think you were referring to my post in this thread:
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I find it very interesting that the scripture in which Mary saw 2 angels in white one at each end of where Jesus was resting is John 20:12
<!-- m -->http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=AMP<!-- m -->
The whole passage.^^^^^^^^
Also I think that some of this info on this thread could be placed in the above thread.
Peace
P.S. Here is what I wrote about The Book Painting in this thread:
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Speaking of "The Writing on the Wall"
<!-- m -->http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=AMP<!-- m -->
We should be careful and be ever watchful for The writing on the Wall, we don't want to end up like King Belshazzar... <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
I have just recently came to understand Revelation 12:1-2.... that God will soon do away with the Devil's influence over the earth and rid all wickedness, can't wait !!!!! Oh, and who is that angel again battling with Satan? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I don't quite understand the Ark of the Conevant and have always thought that it was destroyed and just doesn't exist any longer, any more thoughts?
L.O.V.E.
<!-- m -->http://bible.cc/acts/2-1.htm<!-- m -->
i cannot believe that i never noticed before that michael didn't write this song.
is there any kind of imformation about the artist motivation for it.?
i may have to reexamine a few things in my perspective of this whole thing.
Posted on July 10th, 2010 - By Bossip Staff
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By Robert Heller - Oct 5, 2010 4:00 PM PT
Carlos Santana dedicates his concerts to the “archangel” Michael Jackson.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-05/santana-lauds-angel-michael-jackson-leads-love-chant-at-concert-review.html
Archangel Michael
Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventists, and certain New Age Christian denominations refer to Michael as the Christ Michael, or Christ before he became man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28archangel%29
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Michael is one of the names Jesus has in heaven. In this view, Michael is the first and greatest of all God's creatures, the chief messenger of Jehovah that takes the lead in vindicating God's sovereignty, sanctifying God's name, fighting the forces of Satan and protecting God's people on earth. (Revelation 12:7; 19:14,16• Daniel 12:1) This belief is held because of the prominence Michael has among the heavenly sons of God in the Bible, the similarity of Michael’s and Jesus’ mission and the connection of Jesus with the archangelic office in 1 Thessalonians 4:16, where it is said: "Because the Lord himself will descend from Heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice." Taking also into account that the Bible refers to one archangel only using a definite article (Jude 9), Jehovah's Witnesses have concluded that Michael and Jesus are one and the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel#Jehovah.27s_Witnesses
I don't question that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ. I hope my post wasn't misunderstood.
Here is a link with regards to JW's belief about Michael the archangel.
<!-- m -->http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/appendix_11.htm<!-- m -->
Here is something interesting that may be related to these numbers.
Does anyone think that these letters in Hebrew look like 3 7's ????
Please be gentle with me....I am stepping out a little here.
<!-- m -->http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/appendix_01.htm<!-- m -->
I'm not really well-educated in this field, but something is not clear for me...
Why is 777 God's number? Where can I find something about it in the Bible?
Where can I read more about that orthodox church connection? I only find that in numerology 777 is the number of the Trinity.
What really bugs me is that 777 is also the number which was used by the crazy Aleister Crowley. And scientology is based on his stupid teachings. And LMP is a scientologist...
I don't want to suggest anything with it, I just summarized what I know about this number.
For example here <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/777_(number<!-- m -->)#Orthodox_Church
I can read only these:
Judaism
The numbers 3 and 7 are considered both "perfect numbers" under Hebrew tradition.[citation needed]
Orthodox Church
According to the American publication, the Orthodox Study Bible, 777 represents the threefold perfection of the Trinity.[citation needed]
Thelema
777 is also found in the title of the book 777 and Other Qabalistic Writings of Aleister Crowley pertaining to the law of thelema.
Why did Michael used numbers anyway...? It would have been clearer if he wrote his messages in words... For examle 'LOVE' on his armband...By the way the red stars can be misunderstood as well...
All in all I cannot really understand why he chose these symbols.
<!-- m -->http://www.pierre2.org/en/key.htm<!-- m -->
You can find it translated in several languages on the Web
7
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu7.php
777
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu777.php
Attributes of the Number 7
Spirituality, wisdom, solitary, the inner-self, the inner-life, inner-strength, independence, birth, re-birth, individuality, purpose, the specialist, inventor, loner, eccentric, thoughtful, psychic, natural healer, inner-strength, quick-wit, discernment, an understanding of others, philosophy, endurance, deep contemplation, the mystic, psychic abilities, a keen mind, determination, knowledge-seeking, non-conformist, persistence of purpose, perfection, the path of solitude, analysis, contemplation, sacred vows.
7 is a mystical number symbolizing wisdom, the seven charkas, and the seven heavens. The number 7 symbolizes humanity's deep inner need to find depth, purpose, meaning and spiritual connection.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Angel-Numbers-Recurring-7s
Disclaimer:
The following article had some good examples of why the number 777 is considered "God's" number. The views in regards to "Satan" belong to the writer of the article and are not necessarily mine. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
The Number 777
The number seven has deep spiritual significance. It has been held sacred by the Hebrews and other Semite peoples since the dawn of time. It represents perfection and holiness. It is used throughout the Scriptures and in this sense is the Almighty's Number.
A few examples:
* Samson's seven locks of consecration. (Judges 16:13-19)
* The seven pillars of wisdom's house. (Proverbs 9:1)
* The sevenfold sign of total commitment and dependence (2 Chron. 29: 20-21)
* The seven lambs to attest the conclusion of a peace treaty. (Genesis 21:28-30)
* The seven fold sprinkling of blood before cleansing was complete. (Lev:16:19)
* The seven week count to Pentecost, the seven year count to the sabbatical year and the seven times seven year count to the Jubilee year. (Lev. 23:15, Lev.25:1-9)
* The seven candlesticks, seven churches, seven stars, seven seals, seven trumpets, seven thunders, and seven plagues mentioned in the book of Revelation etc.
In addition to these examples, and there are many more, the Almighty has blessed each seventh portion of time in The Sacred Calendar: the The Seventh Day of the Week, the seventh year and also the seventh thousanth year period referred to by Bible students as the Millennium. Together with the Festivals of the God of Israel these all express the concept of totality, maturity, holiness and absolute perfection.
The triple sevens (777) numerically symbolize Yahweh, the Father of Yahshua the Messiah. He is the pinnacle of perfection, power and purity. The number 777 may also be the numeric value of some word or group of words: we do not know. Satan has hijacked this number and uses it in all kinds of bizarre ways; but as far as Scripture is concerned, seven is the number of perfection and holiness.
The number 777 numerically expresses the Almighty's Truth as regards His 7th day Sabbath, His 7 annual Sabbaths, His 7th year Sabbath and His 7th thousand year Sabbath - the millennium. We could go further and write 7777777 - ad infinitum, or 70 times 7, with each additional seven representing another perfect revelation of His character: but 777 will do for the time being.
By contrast the treble sixes - 666 - represent Satan the perfection of imperfection: the unholy and immature one: the one who will always fall short of Yahweh's moral stature just as the number 6 will always fall short of the number 7. Perhaps that is why Satan seeks to abolish every sacred seventh portion of time in the calendar of the Almighty: because his evil mind is totally incapable of ever matching the majesty, might and maturity of Yahweh the Holy One of Israel.
http://www.sabbathcovenant.com/doctrine/number_777.htm
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Among the western races, the canon of beauty revolves around the classic canon of Polykleitos of Argos, Greek sculptor, the most popular Greek beauty standard that through generations came to us and in which the height of the human being is equal to 7 times the height of the head. Polykleitos, concerned to achieve ideal proportions of the male human body, based on mathematics...the artistic ideal and conception of beauty.
The 7 wonders of the world.....
I didn't have enough time yet to think it over thoroughly, but I plan to do it later, as I would really like to understand why Michael loves 777.
By the way number 7 is clear for me, I like that number <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> , it's only 777 I have problems with. And I would like to find it in the Bible rather than getting other explanations for it, like from esotericism, gematria, numerology etc...
Because from my experiences we tend to read almost anything into things if we want to get an "answer" or "clue".
Here <!-- m -->http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu777.php<!-- m --> I read:
Bible
Age of Lamech, father of Noah, when he died. In the posterity of Seth, Lamech is the last patriarch before the flood. (Gn 5,31) I haven't checked yet what they refer to... but if you can explain to me, that would be very helpful. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
The book of the Genesis contains 777+777-21 or 1553 verses. This is too farfetched for me. If you want to get something "interesting" with number 5, for example, I bet you can. Not especially for the number of the verses but something else in connection with the book of the Genesis.
The number 777 is used 1 time in the Bible. Where?
The word priest is used 777 times in the Bible. Okay, but how many times the word "faith" or "love" is used? Why did they chose "priest"? Because it's used 777 times?
As I said I will try to think it over better in the future. Thanks again! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->