If we assume that all those companies are involved it doesn't mean the hoax wasn't necessary. To my mind it's about the media and exposing it for what it is, how it tells us what to think and how most blindly accept what they read or see without question. It's a massive wake-up call for those that still don't get it. And the history books will have to be re-written. I'm not a big follower of the whole NWO thing either Puff, even if I tend to think TS is probably genuine I don't follow everything he says as relevant, I think that's the whole point. We have to think for ourselves and decide based on what we interpret to be relevant, not what he or anyone else says is.
Sony is also paying to Coca Cola, 5Alive, McDonalds and all other companies that we have found the clues from! Plus Sony is paying to film companies to add some clues to make us think that MJ is alive! And the family is still supporting Sony because Jackie wrote about the "Unstoppable Train" in his tweets and we all know the train's number in the film which is Michael's Magical Number *777*!!!
and it means that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death??
I read your post, don't worry... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Coca Cola, McDonalds and some other companies are on MJ's side and MJ is using them to send us clues. I think we know why MJ did this hoax, don't we? Do we need to go back to the beginning and start discussing it once more? To me, there's a "show" part of this hoax and a "serious" part of it too. As I wrote before MJ didn't do the hoax for entertaining purposes only. He had very serious issues to do it like illuminati and NWO.
I don't know if you get my point..... that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death?? He could fight those things even without fake his death, if he has the support of these HUGE companies...
and how can be sure about that is the hoax purpose..? Just because Ts said so....? <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
Did we start beliving in this hoax because of TS? Well, I didn't. I think you need to go back to the beginning Puff and start thinking about everything YOU personally have found. Forget about what TS said or I said or others said. What have you found about the hoax till today? Personally I have a big hoax file on my computer where I saved many pictures and documents I have found about the hoax. When I feel myself confused, I open that file and check every clue once more. And trust me, I think off EVERY single possibility. I ask myself the questions I wrote which TS redirected to. If I could find answers to them, then I would be convinced that Michael was murdered and was gone. But I can NOT find any answers to them. And only and only the HOAX gives the answers.
About the companies involved issue; the whole company doesn't need to know about it. Just a few key people who decides about those commercials or films like directors would be enough to know about the hoax, don't you think? You say MJ could fight with those things without a hoax. I disagree with that. MJ tried to show the world the truth about NWO and illuminati with his songs, with his speeches but how many of us woke up with that? How many started to see the truth about the media, NWO and illuminati? Was it enough? NO! He had to do something BIGGER to wake up the WORLD! Today I know that so many people started to admire and love Michael because they started to realize who Michael was after his "death". They started to understand what his message is after his "death". And we're helping them to understand what his message is. He couldn't do this before his "death" and he knew that he needed to do something BIGGER! This was the "serious" part of the plan. And there is also a "show" part of the plan too. THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH part. He always wanted to SHOCK the world! Don't you think a death with a Resurrection would do it so well? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
" Randy tweets like his brother is really dead because it would be so obvious if he tweeted like the rest of the family, giving clues or if he made slip-ups." it's like saying: Randy is the one who tweets THOSE tweets and make THOSE interviews just to deceive hoax believers...
Why would Randy tweet to deceive hoax believers? Then do all the other family members tweet to deceive Michael's enemies? Randy make those tweets and interviews etc to deceive Michael's enemies, to show the "death" is real. Because someone has to do it. Otherwise the hoax would be too obvious. That's what I'm saying.
So Randy tweets to deceive Michael's enemies, but don't you think that if Michael hoaxed his death they know about it? I remind you that this forum is public.
And if AEG, SONY, etc.. Are into the hoax then who are Michael's enemies? Illuminati are not abstract...
These companies don't necessarily know what is going on they are being used in some ways by Michael (and his team) as tools, as a means to reach the masses. How Michael is supposed to communicate with us and with the world? Really think about it. HOW? Especially now that he is "dead". As I have said in the other thread it is not about the money because I think this is a fear that people have, to be duped because of that but as PureLove said the records or other stuff most of us would have bought them without the need of a hoax and I don't necessarily buy everything I mean I still do what I want and people finally share what they have found here on the forum for everybody to know even those who don't have bought the material. We really have to think about the big purpose of the hoax and not let certain things make us blind. Well thanks PureLove for your brilliant post God bless you.
" Randy tweets like his brother is really dead because it would be so obvious if he tweeted like the rest of the family, giving clues or if he made slip-ups." it's like saying: Randy is the one who tweets THOSE tweets and make THOSE interviews just to deceive hoax believers...
Why would Randy tweet to deceive hoax believers? Then do all the other family members tweet to deceive Michael's enemies? Randy make those tweets and interviews etc to deceive Michael's enemies, to show the "death" is real. Because someone has to do it. Otherwise the hoax would be too obvious. That's what I'm saying.
So Randy tweets to deceive Michael's enemies, but don't you think that if Michael hoaxed his death they know about it? I remind you that this forum is public.
And if AEG, SONY, etc.. Are into the hoax then who are Michael's enemies? Illuminati are not abstract...
At some point we will have to face the enemy we are not going to fight in the forum. If they know this is not surprising. Michael is using them. They are digging their own grave metaphorically talking.
Pure Love, great post. It's amazing how one overlooked point can cause all this commotion. It seems to me that some people just have it in their heads that it is a murder now and TS is fake and no matter what we say or what is presented in front of them, they will believe that. Going back and forth is pretty pointless right now. Maybe, something will happen and more information will slowly reveal itself and the answers to our questions will be answered. As the family keeps saying, "It will all come out" and the "truth will prevail." For now, I think it's best for us to agree to disagree and hopefully, one day, we will come together with the common purpose of love and truth in not only MJ's case but in our future as well. In the meantime, we can continue to try to connect the dots and get as much as we can in the moment.
I also want to make a few more points. There is nothing wrong with looking at things from both sides, remaining neutral can sometimes help with investigating, especially with this adventure where there are so many unanswered questions. I actually think it would be great if believers and non-believers alike can come together and respectfully, investigate this situation together. We may see things that the other side didn't see and vice versa. We may also gain clarity on things that we have questions about. However, I think it's pretty silly at this stage to dramatically swing from side to side depending on emotions or details in a case that, frankly, does not negate all the other evidence that we have been researching for more than a year. Some of us may wish to reexamine the evidence due to this overlooked fact about this case but it doesn't negate the factual evidence, the odd reactions from the family and all the knowledge that we've gained about ourselves and the world we are living in.
Sony is also paying to Coca Cola, 5Alive, McDonalds and all other companies that we have found the clues from! Plus Sony is paying to film companies to add some clues to make us think that MJ is alive! And the family is still supporting Sony because Jackie wrote about the "Unstoppable Train" in his tweets and we all know the train's number in the film which is Michael's Magical Number *777*!!!
and it means that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death??
I read your post, don't worry... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Coca Cola, McDonalds and some other companies are on MJ's side and MJ is using them to send us clues. I think we know why MJ did this hoax, don't we? Do we need to go back to the beginning and start discussing it once more? To me, there's a "show" part of this hoax and a "serious" part of it too. As I wrote before MJ didn't do the hoax for entertaining purposes only. He had very serious issues to do it like illuminati and NWO.
I don't know if you get my point..... that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death?? He could fight those things even without fake his death, if he has the support of these HUGE companies...
and how can be sure about that is the hoax purpose..? Just because Ts said so....? <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
I have to add something to this. Just because all of the above companies mentioned seem to be apart of the hoax, does not mean they are "in on it". I happen to believe this is some kind of real life movie/game type of thing, and many people involved may not even realize they are involved. It might sound out there, but to me it doesn't because I've learned so much about how the universe works..the law of attraction, vibrational energy, etc. But I honestly think that some things are just happening "naturally" as they would if Michael were really dead. It has to be that way because in order to have a successful death hoax, you have to convince people that you're really dead.
Also, nobody called Randy an idiot. And I think his tweets are very significant. If Michael faked his death, then it was to expose the truth about the people that WOULD HAVE killed him anyway. So even if Mike's not really dead, the point is to still expose these terrible injustices. So why wouldn't Randy still fight against these people? Not to mention, who says that every single family member has to know the the entire truth about it all? Isn't it possible that not everyone knows exactly whats going on? Clearly they all get their stories mixed up everytime they are asked. Maybe some of them aren't aware that he didn't really die and are acting normally for the state of truth they are in. We could argue for days about the morality in that, but I'm just simply looking at the big picture here. For this thing to be successful, some feelings may have had to get hurt.
But in the scheme of things, it is worth it.
Of course my interpretation of things could be completely off. My point is that there is more than one way to look at every situation, and we cannot know for sure about any of this. Therefore it is best to keep an open mind so that we have room for the truth when it decides to present itself.
Also, nobody called Randy an idiot. And I think his tweets are very significant. If Michael faked his death, then it was to expose the truth about the people that WOULD HAVE killed him anyway. So even if Mike's not really dead, the point is to still expose these terrible injustices. So why wouldn't Randy still fight against these people? Not to mention, who says that every single family member has to know the the entire truth about it all? Isn't it possible that not everyone knows exactly whats going on? Clearly they all get their stories mixed up everytime they are asked. Maybe some of them aren't aware that he didn't really die and are acting normally for the state of truth they are in. We could argue for days about the morality in that, but I'm just simply looking at the big picture here. For this thing to be successful, some feelings may have had to get hurt.
But in the scheme of things, it is worth it.
Of course my interpretation of things could be completely off. My point is that there is more than one way to look at every situation, and we cannot know for sure about any of this. Therefore it is best to keep an open mind so that we have room for the truth when it decides to present itself.
Ok, now his tweets are significant.... He wants justice for his brother and the truth about the people that would have killed him... BUT the family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against AEG, and Randy even named AEG in his tweets, but AEG is in the hoax, like SONY and others.. so WHO are Michael's enemies...?
Also, nobody called Randy an idiot. And I think his tweets are very significant. If Michael faked his death, then it was to expose the truth about the people that WOULD HAVE killed him anyway. So even if Mike's not really dead, the point is to still expose these terrible injustices. So why wouldn't Randy still fight against these people? Not to mention, who says that every single family member has to know the the entire truth about it all? Isn't it possible that not everyone knows exactly whats going on? Clearly they all get their stories mixed up everytime they are asked. Maybe some of them aren't aware that he didn't really die and are acting normally for the state of truth they are in. We could argue for days about the morality in that, but I'm just simply looking at the big picture here. For this thing to be successful, some feelings may have had to get hurt.
But in the scheme of things, it is worth it.
Of course my interpretation of things could be completely off. My point is that there is more than one way to look at every situation, and we cannot know for sure about any of this. Therefore it is best to keep an open mind so that we have room for the truth when it decides to present itself.
Ok, now his tweets are significant.... He wants justice for his brother and the truth about the people that would have killed him... BUT the family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against AEG, and Randy even named AEG in his tweets, but AEG is in the hoax, like SONY and others.. so WHO are Michael's enemies...?
I'm not saying anything about who's in on the hoax and who's not in on it. Quite simply because I don't know and neither do you. So I don't quite understand the point in these debates. There are so many possible combinations of details. For example, if Sony is "in on" the hoax...does that have to mean that the entire company and everyone who works there is in on it? I don't see why it has to be that way. Just like TMZ, is it possible that Harvey is the only one who knows anything? Sure, why not? That still makes TMZ apart of it, even if not everyone knows whats going on. When it comes to the hoax, are we dealing ith big companies and groups of people, or are we dealing with individuals who happen to be aprt of those groups? I don't know! That's my point, I don't know, none of us know, so we need to be open to anything. And yes, I am fully aware that I could be wrong about a lot of things, this could very well be something completely different than what we originally thought. But, that might not be the case either. It is not the right time to make that call.
Ok, now his tweets are significant....
I never said they weren't significant, I don't see why they wouldn't be significant. Everything means SOMETHING and I'm not about to say Randy is lying because I don't know. Yes, he could be knowingly playing a role as I stated above or he could be reacting naturally and isn't in the know about the hoax. OR Michael is dead and he's the only one who seems to care enough to speak about it. Again, many different ways to look at it.
I think that it is time to move on, this discussion can be endless and last for months and nobody will agree. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> My advice would be to find an inking point for those who still doubt in order to be able to continue in this adventure. We all have that special clue, this evidence we are sure about where we can go back and rely on to give us faith and strength. One day it will all unfold and we will all be relieved. We have said it so many times but it is worth to be repeated.... the truth always prevails. I really believe in that. Blessings.
" Randy tweets like his brother is really dead because it would be so obvious if he tweeted like the rest of the family, giving clues or if he made slip-ups." it's like saying: Randy is the one who tweets THOSE tweets and make THOSE interviews just to deceive hoax believers...
Why would Randy tweet to deceive hoax believers? Then do all the other family members tweet to deceive Michael's enemies? Randy make those tweets and interviews etc to deceive Michael's enemies, to show the "death" is real. Because someone has to do it. Otherwise the hoax would be too obvious. That's what I'm saying.
So Randy tweets to deceive Michael's enemies, but don't you think that if Michael hoaxed his death they know about it? I remind you that this forum is public.
And if AEG, SONY, etc.. Are into the hoax then who are Michael's enemies? Illuminati are not abstract...
Thank you, you don't need to remind me this forum is public. I already know that. I don't know if they know about it or not. But it is so obvious that Michael is trying to warn the world against illuminati and NWO. Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati? Sorry but it seems like you're beyond confused. You are lost.
These companies don't necessarily know what is going on they are being used in some ways by Michael (and his team) as tools, as a means to reach the masses. How Michael is supposed to communicate with us and with the world? Really think about it. HOW? Especially now that he is "dead". As I have said in the other thread it is not about the money because I think this is a fear that people have, to be duped because of that but as PureLove said the records or other stuff most of us would have bought them without the need of a hoax and I don't necessarily buy everything I mean I still do what I want and people finally share what they have found here on the forum for everybody to know even those who don't have bought the material. We really have to think about the big purpose of the hoax and not let certain things make us blind. Well thanks PureLove for your brilliant post God bless you.
Thank you for your post too. I personally do NOT buy the "Sony murdered Michael and made his death looks like a hoax" theory because it doesn't make any sense. The fans were going to buy the products already. Why would they bother to look the death like a hoax? As it seems nobody could answer the questions I asked, because only a HOAX created by Michael himself can answer the questions. There's no need to keep on talking and focusing on the same issues. Instead of focusing to a small piece of the big picture, we should try to see the entire picture. God bless you too. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Pure Love, great post. It's amazing how one overlooked point can cause all this commotion. It seems to me that some people just have it in their heads that it is a murder now and TS is fake and no matter what we say or what is presented in front of them, they will believe that. Going back and forth is pretty pointless right now. Maybe, something will happen and more information will slowly reveal itself and the answers to our questions will be answered. As the family keeps saying, "It will all come out" and the "truth will prevail." For now, I think it's best for us to agree to disagree and hopefully, one day, we will come together with the common purpose of love and truth in not only MJ's case but in our future as well. In the meantime, we can continue to try to connect the dots and get as much as we can in the moment.
I also want to make a few more points. There is nothing wrong with looking at things from both sides, remaining neutral can sometimes help with investigating, especially with this adventure where there are so many unanswered questions. I actually think it would be great if believers and non-believers alike can come together and respectfully, investigate this situation together. We may see things that the other side didn't see and vice versa. We may also gain clarity on things that we have questions about. However, I think it's pretty silly at this stage to dramatically swing from side to side depending on emotions or details in a case that, frankly, does not negate all the other evidence that we have been researching for more than a year. Some of us may wish to reexamine the evidence due to this overlooked fact about this case but it doesn't negate the factual evidence, the odd reactions from the family and all the knowledge that we've gained about ourselves and the world we are living in.
Thank you. I agree with you and I wish it could be possible that all believers and non-believers could investigate all together but non-believers are so sure that Michael is gone and they're waiting for the justice. They're waiting for the court days of Murray and that's all what they do. I have a couple of non-believer friends and I do know how they think and what they do. When people close their eyes and minds, there's nothing that can change their minds. I learnt this during these 17 months. All they see is, Michael is gone, Murray killed him. That's all. There's no way to open their eyes, I tried every single way but nothing changed.
Probably that's the reason why Michael sent Teddy to say that he is a believer. Maybe he thought that if someone who worked with MJ said that he believes, non-believers could wake up. But they started to bash him too. I lost my hope to change non-believers' minds about the hoax and I quit trying doing that.
" Randy tweets like his brother is really dead because it would be so obvious if he tweeted like the rest of the family, giving clues or if he made slip-ups." it's like saying: Randy is the one who tweets THOSE tweets and make THOSE interviews just to deceive hoax believers...
Why would Randy tweet to deceive hoax believers? Then do all the other family members tweet to deceive Michael's enemies? Randy make those tweets and interviews etc to deceive Michael's enemies, to show the "death" is real. Because someone has to do it. Otherwise the hoax would be too obvious. That's what I'm saying.
So Randy tweets to deceive Michael's enemies, but don't you think that if Michael hoaxed his death they know about it? I remind you that this forum is public.
And if AEG, SONY, etc.. Are into the hoax then who are Michael's enemies? Illuminati are not abstract...
Thank you, you don't need to remind me this forum is public. I already know that. I don't know if they know about it or not. But it is so obvious that Michael is trying to warn the world against illuminati and NWO. Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati? Sorry but it seems like you're beyond confused. You are lost.
Is so obvious? Why..?
The family made a deal? which deal..? Probably you really need to re-read something... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
These companies don't necessarily know what is going on they are being used in some ways by Michael (and his team) as tools, as a means to reach the masses. How Michael is supposed to communicate with us and with the world? Really think about it. HOW? Especially now that he is "dead". As I have said in the other thread it is not about the money because I think this is a fear that people have, to be duped because of that but as PureLove said the records or other stuff most of us would have bought them without the need of a hoax and I don't necessarily buy everything I mean I still do what I want and people finally share what they have found here on the forum for everybody to know even those who don't have bought the material. We really have to think about the big purpose of the hoax and not let certain things make us blind. Well thanks PureLove for your brilliant post God bless you.
Thank you for your post too. I personally do NOT buy the "Sony murdered Michael and made his death looks like a hoax" theory because it doesn't make any sense. The fans were going to buy the products already. Why would they bother to look the death like a hoax? As it seems nobody could answer the questions I asked, because only a HOAX created by Michael himself can answer the questions. There's no need to keep on talking and focusing on the same issues. Instead of focusing to a small piece of the big picture, we should try to see the entire picture. God bless you too. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I totally agree with you Sarahli and PureLove. There is no rational in creating a Hoax if you are covering up a murder! This is a very laughable theory indeed! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
We are participants and spectators in the greatest show on Earth and TS is our guide...
Thank you, you don't need to remind me this forum is public. I already know that. I don't know if they know about it or not. But it is so obvious that Michael is trying to warn the world against illuminati and NWO. Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati? Sorry but it seems like you're beyond confused. You are lost.
Is so obvious? Why..?
The family made a deal? which deal..? Probably you really need to re-read something... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati?
I just want the ones who think that Sony murdered Michael to reply these simple questions.
-Why would Sony try to show his death like a hoax after murdering him? *Weren't we all going to buy TII or the new album etc? The ones who don't believe in the hoax are buying every product related to Michael too. If this whole thing didn't look like a hoax to us, weren't we going to buy any new cds or films of MJ? Why would Sony bother to make it look like a hoax?
*The family members including Randy keep on saying that Michael was murdered and Randy gave some names like Sony, AEG etc. *
*They only sued AEG. Why not Sony? -So why did the estate make a deal with Sony if they believe that Sony killed their son/brother?
-Then why don't they sue Sony if they think that Sony murdered Michael?
*The family says that Sony used a fake voice in the upcoming album. Randy and most of the other family members scream that Sony used a voice-like. -So why don't they sue Sony about this issue too?
Thank you for your post too. I personally do NOT buy the "Sony murdered Michael and made his death looks like a hoax" theory because it doesn't make any sense. The fans were going to buy the products already. Why would they bother to look the death like a hoax? As it seems nobody could answer the questions I asked, because only a HOAX created by Michael himself can answer the questions. There's no need to keep on talking and focusing on the same issues. Instead of focusing to a small piece of the big picture, we should try to see the entire picture. God bless you too. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I totally agree with you Sarahli and PureLove. There is no rational in creating a Hoax if you are covering up a murder! This is a very laughable theory indeed! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
We are participants and spectators in the greatest show on Earth and TS is our guide...
Thank You PureLove and TS for this re-direct.
With L.O.V.E
Thank you. I really do not understand why of a sudden people started to attack TS. I wonder if this was going to happen if the issue about Eliza's case was never appeared. Where were people's minds until Eliza's case? It really shocked me to see people like this. They can not find any answers to what I wrote in the first post but still question and hesitate if this is a hoax or a murder.
I had doubts about TS but I thought about every possibility and came to a conclusion that this is definitely a hoax which could only be created by Michael himself and TS is helping us in understanding the hoax. Nothing and noone can change my mind about it.
Thank you for your post too. I personally do NOT buy the "Sony murdered Michael and made his death looks like a hoax" theory because it doesn't make any sense. The fans were going to buy the products already. Why would they bother to look the death like a hoax? As it seems nobody could answer the questions I asked, because only a HOAX created by Michael himself can answer the questions. There's no need to keep on talking and focusing on the same issues. Instead of focusing to a small piece of the big picture, we should try to see the entire picture. God bless you too. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I totally agree with you Sarahli and PureLove. There is no rational in creating a Hoax if you are covering up a murder! This is a very laughable theory indeed! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
We are participants and spectators in the greatest show on Earth and TS is our guide...
Thank You PureLove and TS for this re-direct.
With L.O.V.E
Thank you. I really do not understand why of a sudden people started to attack TS. I wonder if this was going to happen if the issue about Eliza's case was never appeared. Where were people's minds until Eliza's case? It really shocked me to see people like this. They can not find any answers to what I wrote in the first post but still question and hesitate if this is a hoax or a murder.
I had doubts about TS but I thought about every possibility and came to a conclusion that this is definitely a hoax which could only be created by Michael himself and TS is helping us in understanding the hoax. Nothing and noone can change my mind about it.
I'm with you. I have opened up my mind to any possible senerio, but no matter what I do I still feel like this is a hoax. I always come back to the basics and I just can't imagine anyone other than Michael Jackson being able to pull this off. And I know money and power can do alot, but I'm talking about purity, goodness, some tough love, and creativity. And he has all those things PLUS money and power. He's only one person, but he's the only person I know who has the will and the resources to do this. He said himself that he could outthink Sony. Maybe he meant more by that than we thought <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
We all pride ourselves on not having been fooled by what happened on 6-25-09, and not continuing to be fooled to this day, so I think each one of us, at one time or another in the course of the last 17 months, has had a shattering of confidence by discovering we were wrong about a concept along the line. And maybe ran around screaming to the hills about how we are all being fooled, THIS (x) is the TRUTH, we've been tricked! It's like our (a hoaxer's) greatest phobia.
I think deep breaths are in order, and let's all sit back and keep watching.
I don't mean to be cliche by using back's siggy phrase it just happens to fit the situation to a "t". I'm learning that when you watch, and observe, instead of assume and jump to conclusions, many things become apparent in the big picture. The ever present problem, of course, is continuing to find the patience month after month... after month... to keep watching and not start getting anxious and make rash proclamations that we've all been duped--there is no hoax--MJ is dead--eek!
I thought I had patience pre 6-25-09. This hoax is teaching me the TRUE meaning of the virtue.
MJ's live or dead status doesn't hinge on Elvis's live or dead status. I was comparing MJ's hoax death to Elvis's hoax death back in August of 2009 LONG before TS ever redirected to anything much less anything Elvis related. There are a ton of parallels between the two men and the circumstances surrounding their alleged "demise"s, none of which even bring up Eliza or Jesse or any DNA testing. Eliza and her story, in my opinion, is a diversion. A fun little curiosity. It's a sideshow. It's the Figi Mermaid. [Actually... that's fairly profound and I didn't think of it til now. Barnum reference, side show, Eliza Presley story, Elvis is alive, Figi Mermaid... follow me? Think of Barnum's definition between a hoax and a swindle, even if it's fake, does the customer walk away feeling like they got their money's worth in entertainment? That's a hoax, and that makes the public happy and leaves them wanting more. Or do they feel like they were tricked out of parting with their cash? That's a swindle, and leaves the public bitter about the exchange.]
So, when you freak out in your vocation as a hoaxer, are you sorry you ever started hoaxing? Do you think this whole thing was a massive waste of time and energy? Do you wish you had never followed that damn white rabbit down that damn rabbit hole? Then fine, walk away now, don't waste another minute on it. Only thing worse then a mistake is a mistake you keep repeating.
But if you feel as I feel, that even if MJ really is dead (he's not) and this was all a giant fabrication of our collective minds fueled by corporate greed(it's not), all of us, from all over the world, brought together into a giant web based melting pot, sharing ideas, stories, theories, facts, perspectives, fears, hopes, dreams, and worries....... I am still a better person for it at the end of the day and I wouldn't trade the last 17 months of my life for all the riches in the world.
So whatever. Who cares about Eliza or her DNA evidence. In my opinion, It doesn't mean a thing in regards to the truth about MJ or TS. It's just a sideshow off the midway to eek and leer and gawk and look and then move on.
This murder/conspiracy/MJ is actually dead and the family is fooling us for money, thing has been debunked to death for ages. All we are doing is rehashing the same old long ago rock solid, iron clad theories and again we end up at hoax, same as last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and...
We all haven't been doing this for the last 17 months because we've been asleep or anything. Be confident. We haven't missed anything.
Cardiff Giant. <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Giant<!-- m --> Barnum wanted the Giant (which was an elaborate fake "petrified giant man") and offered to buy it from the man featuring it as a side show attraction. That man wouldn't sell to Barnum. So Barnum said whatever, F U, and made his own Cardiff Giant and billed it as the "real" one and said the other guy's was a fake. Well, the original Giant's owner got mad and sued Barnum for fraud, since Barnum's giant was a fake and he was billing it as "real". Barnum defended on the grounds that a fake of a fake isn't a fraud, and won. The case set precedence in the US legal system and stands today.
So... what IF (I do that a lot),
what if, back in the day, MJ pushed LMP for information about Elvis's death hoax and LMP wouldn't budge. LMP wouldn't say a word, refused to help, maybe even refused to say if Elvis was dead or alive at all (who knows, its irrelevant to this scenario), but MJ was not to be deterred. Maybe MJ went ahead with planning his death hoax anyway, and just linked the shit out of it to Elvis just to poke at LMP a little. Like I'm doing it with or without you. Nyah. Lol.
No legal loophole, like a get out of jail free card for MJ or anything on this particular Cardiff Giant tie in, just a fun little double link to this aspect (Elvis, alive or dead) of the hoax.
sitting in my daughters room reading all of the post on this. she is watching good luck charlie. they just made a referance to music and me. <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> he can't be gone because he is everywhere! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
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Did we start beliving in this hoax because of TS? Well, I didn't. I think you need to go back to the beginning Puff and start thinking about everything YOU personally have found. Forget about what TS said or I said or others said. What have you found about the hoax till today? Personally I have a big hoax file on my computer where I saved many pictures and documents I have found about the hoax. When I feel myself confused, I open that file and check every clue once more. And trust me, I think off EVERY single possibility. I ask myself the questions I wrote which TS redirected to. If I could find answers to them, then I would be convinced that Michael was murdered and was gone. But I can NOT find any answers to them. And only and only the HOAX gives the answers.
About the companies involved issue; the whole company doesn't need to know about it. Just a few key people who decides about those commercials or films like directors would be enough to know about the hoax, don't you think? You say MJ could fight with those things without a hoax. I disagree with that. MJ tried to show the world the truth about NWO and illuminati with his songs, with his speeches but how many of us woke up with that? How many started to see the truth about the media, NWO and illuminati? Was it enough? NO! He had to do something BIGGER to wake up the WORLD! Today I know that so many people started to admire and love Michael because they started to realize who Michael was after his "death". They started to understand what his message is after his "death". And we're helping them to understand what his message is. He couldn't do this before his "death" and he knew that he needed to do something BIGGER! This was the "serious" part of the plan. And there is also a "show" part of the plan too. THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH part. He always wanted to SHOCK the world! Don't you think a death with a Resurrection would do it so well? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
So Randy tweets to deceive Michael's enemies, but don't you think that if Michael hoaxed his death they know about it? I remind you that this forum is public.
And if AEG, SONY, etc.. Are into the hoax then who are Michael's enemies? Illuminati are not abstract...
At some point we will have to face the enemy we are not going to fight in the forum. If they know this is not surprising. Michael is using them. They are digging their own grave metaphorically talking.
I also want to make a few more points. There is nothing wrong with looking at things from both sides, remaining neutral can sometimes help with investigating, especially with this adventure where there are so many unanswered questions. I actually think it would be great if believers and non-believers alike can come together and respectfully, investigate this situation together. We may see things that the other side didn't see and vice versa. We may also gain clarity on things that we have questions about. However, I think it's pretty silly at this stage to dramatically swing from side to side depending on emotions or details in a case that, frankly, does not negate all the other evidence that we have been researching for more than a year. Some of us may wish to reexamine the evidence due to this overlooked fact about this case but it doesn't negate the factual evidence, the odd reactions from the family and all the knowledge that we've gained about ourselves and the world we are living in.
I have to add something to this. Just because all of the above companies mentioned seem to be apart of the hoax, does not mean they are "in on it". I happen to believe this is some kind of real life movie/game type of thing, and many people involved may not even realize they are involved. It might sound out there, but to me it doesn't because I've learned so much about how the universe works..the law of attraction, vibrational energy, etc. But I honestly think that some things are just happening "naturally" as they would if Michael were really dead. It has to be that way because in order to have a successful death hoax, you have to convince people that you're really dead.
Also, nobody called Randy an idiot. And I think his tweets are very significant. If Michael faked his death, then it was to expose the truth about the people that WOULD HAVE killed him anyway. So even if Mike's not really dead, the point is to still expose these terrible injustices. So why wouldn't Randy still fight against these people? Not to mention, who says that every single family member has to know the the entire truth about it all? Isn't it possible that not everyone knows exactly whats going on? Clearly they all get their stories mixed up everytime they are asked. Maybe some of them aren't aware that he didn't really die and are acting normally for the state of truth they are in. We could argue for days about the morality in that, but I'm just simply looking at the big picture here. For this thing to be successful, some feelings may have had to get hurt.
But in the scheme of things, it is worth it.
Of course my interpretation of things could be completely off. My point is that there is more than one way to look at every situation, and we cannot know for sure about any of this. Therefore it is best to keep an open mind so that we have room for the truth when it decides to present itself.
Ok, now his tweets are significant.... He wants justice for his brother and the truth about the people that would have killed him... BUT the family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against AEG, and Randy even named AEG in his tweets, but AEG is in the hoax, like SONY and others.. so WHO are Michael's enemies...?
I'm not saying anything about who's in on the hoax and who's not in on it. Quite simply because I don't know and neither do you. So I don't quite understand the point in these debates. There are so many possible combinations of details. For example, if Sony is "in on" the hoax...does that have to mean that the entire company and everyone who works there is in on it? I don't see why it has to be that way. Just like TMZ, is it possible that Harvey is the only one who knows anything? Sure, why not? That still makes TMZ apart of it, even if not everyone knows whats going on. When it comes to the hoax, are we dealing ith big companies and groups of people, or are we dealing with individuals who happen to be aprt of those groups? I don't know! That's my point, I don't know, none of us know, so we need to be open to anything. And yes, I am fully aware that I could be wrong about a lot of things, this could very well be something completely different than what we originally thought. But, that might not be the case either. It is not the right time to make that call.
I never said they weren't significant, I don't see why they wouldn't be significant. Everything means SOMETHING and I'm not about to say Randy is lying because I don't know. Yes, he could be knowingly playing a role as I stated above or he could be reacting naturally and isn't in the know about the hoax. OR Michael is dead and he's the only one who seems to care enough to speak about it. Again, many different ways to look at it.
Thank you, you don't need to remind me this forum is public. I already know that. I don't know if they know about it or not. But it is so obvious that Michael is trying to warn the world against illuminati and NWO. Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati? Sorry but it seems like you're beyond confused. You are lost.
Thank you for your post too. I personally do NOT buy the "Sony murdered Michael and made his death looks like a hoax" theory because it doesn't make any sense. The fans were going to buy the products already. Why would they bother to look the death like a hoax? As it seems nobody could answer the questions I asked, because only a HOAX created by Michael himself can answer the questions. There's no need to keep on talking and focusing on the same issues. Instead of focusing to a small piece of the big picture, we should try to see the entire picture. God bless you too. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Thank you. I agree with you and I wish it could be possible that all believers and non-believers could investigate all together but non-believers are so sure that Michael is gone and they're waiting for the justice. They're waiting for the court days of Murray and that's all what they do. I have a couple of non-believer friends and I do know how they think and what they do. When people close their eyes and minds, there's nothing that can change their minds. I learnt this during these 17 months. All they see is, Michael is gone, Murray killed him. That's all. There's no way to open their eyes, I tried every single way but nothing changed.
Probably that's the reason why Michael sent Teddy to say that he is a believer. Maybe he thought that if someone who worked with MJ said that he believes, non-believers could wake up. But they started to bash him too. I lost my hope to change non-believers' minds about the hoax and I quit trying doing that.
Is so obvious? Why..?
The family made a deal? which deal..? Probably you really need to re-read something... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I totally agree with you Sarahli and PureLove. There is no rational in creating a Hoax if you are covering up a murder! This is a very laughable theory indeed! <!-- s
We are participants and spectators in the greatest show on Earth and TS is our guide...
Thank You PureLove and TS for this re-direct.
With L.O.V.E
-Why would Sony try to show his death like a hoax after murdering him?
*Weren't we all going to buy TII or the new album etc? The ones who don't believe in the hoax are buying every product related to Michael too. If this whole thing didn't look like a hoax to us, weren't we going to buy any new cds or films of MJ? Why would Sony bother to make it look like a hoax?
*The family members including Randy keep on saying that Michael was murdered and Randy gave some names like Sony, AEG etc. *
*They only sued AEG. Why not Sony?
-So why did the estate make a deal with Sony if they believe that Sony killed their son/brother?
-Then why don't they sue Sony if they think that Sony murdered Michael?
*The family says that Sony used a fake voice in the upcoming album. Randy and most of the other family members scream that Sony used a voice-like.
-So why don't they sue Sony about this issue too?
Thank you. I really do not understand why of a sudden people started to attack TS. I wonder if this was going to happen if the issue about Eliza's case was never appeared. Where were people's minds until Eliza's case? It really shocked me to see people like this. They can not find any answers to what I wrote in the first post but still question and hesitate if this is a hoax or a murder.
I had doubts about TS but I thought about every possibility and came to a conclusion that this is definitely a hoax which could only be created by Michael himself and TS is helping us in understanding the hoax. Nothing and noone can change my mind about it.
I'm with you. I have opened up my mind to any possible senerio, but no matter what I do I still feel like this is a hoax. I always come back to the basics and I just can't imagine anyone other than Michael Jackson being able to pull this off. And I know money and power can do alot, but I'm talking about purity, goodness, some tough love, and creativity. And he has all those things PLUS money and power. He's only one person, but he's the only person I know who has the will and the resources to do this. He said himself that he could outthink Sony. Maybe he meant more by that than we thought <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
We all pride ourselves on not having been fooled by what happened on 6-25-09, and not continuing to be fooled to this day, so I think each one of us, at one time or another in the course of the last 17 months, has had a shattering of confidence by discovering we were wrong about a concept along the line. And maybe ran around screaming to the hills about how we are all being fooled, THIS (x) is the TRUTH, we've been tricked! It's like our (a hoaxer's) greatest phobia.
I think deep breaths are in order, and let's all sit back and keep watching.
I don't mean to be cliche by using back's siggy phrase it just happens to fit the situation to a "t". I'm learning that when you watch, and observe, instead of assume and jump to conclusions, many things become apparent in the big picture. The ever present problem, of course, is continuing to find the patience month after month... after month... to keep watching and not start getting anxious and make rash proclamations that we've all been duped--there is no hoax--MJ is dead--eek!
I thought I had patience pre 6-25-09. This hoax is teaching me the TRUE meaning of the virtue.
MJ's live or dead status doesn't hinge on Elvis's live or dead status. I was comparing MJ's hoax death to Elvis's hoax death back in August of 2009 LONG before TS ever redirected to anything much less anything Elvis related. There are a ton of parallels between the two men and the circumstances surrounding their alleged "demise"s, none of which even bring up Eliza or Jesse or any DNA testing. Eliza and her story, in my opinion, is a diversion. A fun little curiosity. It's a sideshow. It's the Figi Mermaid. [Actually... that's fairly profound and I didn't think of it til now. Barnum reference, side show, Eliza Presley story, Elvis is alive, Figi Mermaid... follow me? Think of Barnum's definition between a hoax and a swindle, even if it's fake, does the customer walk away feeling like they got their money's worth in entertainment? That's a hoax, and that makes the public happy and leaves them wanting more. Or do they feel like they were tricked out of parting with their cash? That's a swindle, and leaves the public bitter about the exchange.]
So, when you freak out in your vocation as a hoaxer, are you sorry you ever started hoaxing? Do you think this whole thing was a massive waste of time and energy? Do you wish you had never followed that damn white rabbit down that damn rabbit hole? Then fine, walk away now, don't waste another minute on it. Only thing worse then a mistake is a mistake you keep repeating.
But if you feel as I feel, that even if MJ really is dead (he's not) and this was all a giant fabrication of our collective minds fueled by corporate greed(it's not), all of us, from all over the world, brought together into a giant web based melting pot, sharing ideas, stories, theories, facts, perspectives, fears, hopes, dreams, and worries....... I am still a better person for it at the end of the day and I wouldn't trade the last 17 months of my life for all the riches in the world.
So whatever. Who cares about Eliza or her DNA evidence. In my opinion, It doesn't mean a thing in regards to the truth about MJ or TS. It's just a sideshow off the midway to eek and leer and gawk and look and then move on.
This murder/conspiracy/MJ is actually dead and the family is fooling us for money, thing has been debunked to death for ages. All we are doing is rehashing the same old long ago rock solid, iron clad theories and again we end up at hoax, same as last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and...
We all haven't been doing this for the last 17 months because we've been asleep or anything. Be confident. We haven't missed anything.
Cardiff Giant. <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Giant<!-- m --> Barnum wanted the Giant (which was an elaborate fake "petrified giant man") and offered to buy it from the man featuring it as a side show attraction. That man wouldn't sell to Barnum. So Barnum said whatever, F U, and made his own Cardiff Giant and billed it as the "real" one and said the other guy's was a fake. Well, the original Giant's owner got mad and sued Barnum for fraud, since Barnum's giant was a fake and he was billing it as "real". Barnum defended on the grounds that a fake of a fake isn't a fraud, and won. The case set precedence in the US legal system and stands today.
So... what IF (I do that a lot),
what if, back in the day, MJ pushed LMP for information about Elvis's death hoax and LMP wouldn't budge. LMP wouldn't say a word, refused to help, maybe even refused to say if Elvis was dead or alive at all (who knows, its irrelevant to this scenario), but MJ was not to be deterred. Maybe MJ went ahead with planning his death hoax anyway, and just linked the shit out of it to Elvis just to poke at LMP a little. Like I'm doing it with or without you. Nyah. Lol.
No legal loophole, like a get out of jail free card for MJ or anything on this particular Cardiff Giant tie in, just a fun little double link to this aspect (Elvis, alive or dead) of the hoax.