You know bec, whenever PT and sideshows are mentioned, my thinking goes straight to Professor Marvel from the Wizard of Oz (past, present and future...just like HIStory) and Mac & Jack's travelling sideshow in Say Say Say. "Roll up, roll up!" and be prepared to be entertained!! We are getting the full works..........
Thank you, you don't need to remind me this forum is public. I already know that. I don't know if they know about it or not. But it is so obvious that Michael is trying to warn the world against illuminati and NWO. Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati? Sorry but it seems like you're beyond confused. You are lost.
Is so obvious? Why..?
The family made a deal? which deal..? Probably you really need to re-read something... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati?
<!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
You know what S.O.N.Y means..? AGAIN WHICH deal they made with Illuminati...?
I have been thinking about the Randy tweets.
Doesn't it make sens from a Hoax perspective that while Randy are in court (playing his part of the hoax) he might as well also write something about the case on twitter, right? Making it more believable.
And doesn't it also make sens to "blame" people who are already a part/aware of the hoax? People like Kenny Ortega, Estate Executors, AEG, Randy Phillips etc...
To me it just makes sens <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> Just a thought!
We all pride ourselves on not having been fooled by what happened on 6-25-09, and not continuing to be fooled to this day, so I think each one of us, at one time or another in the course of the last 17 months, has had a shattering of confidence by discovering we were wrong about a concept along the line. And maybe ran around screaming to the hills about how we are all being fooled, THIS (x) is the TRUTH, we've been tricked! It's like our (a hoaxer's) greatest phobia.
I think deep breaths are in order, and let's all sit back and keep watching.
I don't mean to be cliche by using back's siggy phrase it just happens to fit the situation to a "t". I'm learning that when you watch, and observe, instead of assume and jump to conclusions, many things become apparent in the big picture. The ever present problem, of course, is continuing to find the patience month after month... after month... to keep watching and not start getting anxious and make rash proclamations that we've all been duped--there is no hoax--MJ is dead--eek!
I thought I had patience pre 6-25-09. This hoax is teaching me the TRUE meaning of the virtue.
MJ's live or dead status doesn't hinge on Elvis's live or dead status. I was comparing MJ's hoax death to Elvis's hoax death back in August of 2009 LONG before TS ever redirected to anything much less anything Elvis related. There are a ton of parallels between the two men and the circumstances surrounding their alleged "demise"s, none of which even bring up Eliza or Jesse or any DNA testing. Eliza and her story, in my opinion, is a diversion. A fun little curiosity. It's a sideshow. It's the Figi Mermaid. [Actually... that's fairly profound and I didn't think of it til now. Barnum reference, side show, Eliza Presley story, Elvis is alive, Figi Mermaid... follow me? Think of Barnum's definition between a hoax and a swindle, even if it's fake, does the customer walk away feeling like they got their money's worth in entertainment? That's a hoax, and that makes the public happy and leaves them wanting more. Or do they feel like they were tricked out of parting with their cash? That's a swindle, and leaves the public bitter about the exchange.]
So, when you freak out in your vocation as a hoaxer, are you sorry you ever started hoaxing? Do you think this whole thing was a massive waste of time and energy? Do you wish you had never followed that damn white rabbit down that damn rabbit hole? Then fine, walk away now, don't waste another minute on it. Only thing worse then a mistake is a mistake you keep repeating.
But if you feel as I feel, that even if MJ really is dead (he's not) and this was all a giant fabrication of our collective minds fueled by corporate greed(it's not), all of us, from all over the world, brought together into a giant web based melting pot, sharing ideas, stories, theories, facts, perspectives, fears, hopes, dreams, and worries....... I am still a better person for it at the end of the day and I wouldn't trade the last 17 months of my life for all the riches in the world.
So whatever. Who cares about Eliza or her DNA evidence. In my opinion, It doesn't mean a thing in regards to the truth about MJ or TS. It's just a sideshow off the midway to eek and leer and gawk and look and then move on.
This murder/conspiracy/MJ is actually dead and the family is fooling us for money, thing has been debunked to death for ages. All we are doing is rehashing the same old long ago rock solid, iron clad theories and again we end up at hoax, same as last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and...
We all haven't been doing this for the last 17 months because we've been asleep or anything. Be confident. We haven't missed anything.
You know what, Bec? So many times reading here, I've wished that I could be you when it comes to posting. There are ample differences between us, but I also see a lot of similarity to the way I think about the hoax- and the way I wish I could express myself here (though without all the profanity- I hate swear words ^_' ) Where I am, I swear, my Internet time is about the size of a dime. By the time I'm done reading everything, because I need to read before I post, there's barely any time at all to post anything, if there were more I would have signed up to the first forums there ever were, but there is just not enough time for me. Not to mention how much real brainpower I lack. But this post said pretty much what I would say if I could about the mood here lately. So, so great. It's just ridiculous for there to have been so much drama and unraveling lately, but hopefully the worst has passed. I pray that we come out on the other side of this hoax phase soon.
TS is very persistent on the Eliza Presley court case, yet in his last post on 9/9/2010 he states that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda Hood Sigmon as an informer. It's known as from December 2009 that Linda doesn't support the ongoing court case anymore because Jesse asked Eliza to stop, and Eliza refused. Then why did TS suggest we'd get some media attention for her court case and, why did he encourage and support the twitter and email rallies?
In my opinion there are just two options:
[li]He's not very familiar with all of Linda's website and didn't know Linda stopped supporting the case because Jesse asked Eliza to drop it.[/li]
[li]He did know, but decided that the end justifies the means.[/li]
Both options raise more questions:
[li]Option 1 leads to the question: Can one guide the hoaxers according to MJ's plan when one's not completely familiar with a case of which one insists is a very important part of the MJ hoax?[/li]
[li]Option 2 leads to the question: Why would MJ willingly go against Jesse's wishes, just to serve the purpose of is own hoax, by jeopardizing the safety and well being of a man he greatly admired?[/li]
PinkTopaz:You know what, Bec? So many times reading here, I've wished that I could be you when it comes to posting. There are ample differences between us, but I also see a lot of similarity to the way I think about the hoax- and the way I wish I could express myself here (though without all the profanity- I hate swear words ^_' )
bec? Profanity? <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> I'd never have thought it possible!!LOL
Seriously though bec I think you're absolutely right. Keep watchin'. Wait it out and don't get in a tizzy over one thing that is a bit ambiguous. Just because we think we've interpreted everything right this far doesn't mean we have, we could've got so many things wrong. It's a ride worth staying on till the end for, otherwise what was the point of getting on?
We all pride ourselves on not having been fooled by what happened on 6-25-09, and not continuing to be fooled to this day, so I think each one of us, at one time or another in the course of the last 17 months, has had a shattering of confidence by discovering we were wrong about a concept along the line. And maybe ran around screaming to the hills about how we are all being fooled, THIS (x) is the TRUTH, we've been tricked! It's like our (a hoaxer's) greatest phobia.
I think deep breaths are in order, and let's all sit back and keep watching.
I don't mean to be cliche by using back's siggy phrase it just happens to fit the situation to a "t". I'm learning that when you watch, and observe, instead of assume and jump to conclusions, many things become apparent in the big picture. The ever present problem, of course, is continuing to find the patience month after month... after month... to keep watching and not start getting anxious and make rash proclamations that we've all been duped--there is no hoax--MJ is dead--eek!
I thought I had patience pre 6-25-09. This hoax is teaching me the TRUE meaning of the virtue.
MJ's live or dead status doesn't hinge on Elvis's live or dead status. I was comparing MJ's hoax death to Elvis's hoax death back in August of 2009 LONG before TS ever redirected to anything much less anything Elvis related. There are a ton of parallels between the two men and the circumstances surrounding their alleged "demise"s, none of which even bring up Eliza or Jesse or any DNA testing. Eliza and her story, in my opinion, is a diversion. A fun little curiosity. It's a sideshow. It's the Figi Mermaid. [Actually... that's fairly profound and I didn't think of it til now. Barnum reference, side show, Eliza Presley story, Elvis is alive, Figi Mermaid... follow me? Think of Barnum's definition between a hoax and a swindle, even if it's fake, does the customer walk away feeling like they got their money's worth in entertainment? That's a hoax, and that makes the public happy and leaves them wanting more. Or do they feel like they were tricked out of parting with their cash? That's a swindle, and leaves the public bitter about the exchange.]
So, when you freak out in your vocation as a hoaxer, are you sorry you ever started hoaxing? Do you think this whole thing was a massive waste of time and energy? Do you wish you had never followed that damn white rabbit down that damn rabbit hole? Then fine, walk away now, don't waste another minute on it. Only thing worse then a mistake is a mistake you keep repeating.
But if you feel as I feel, that even if MJ really is dead (he's not) and this was all a giant fabrication of our collective minds fueled by corporate greed(it's not), all of us, from all over the world, brought together into a giant web based melting pot, sharing ideas, stories, theories, facts, perspectives, fears, hopes, dreams, and worries....... I am still a better person for it at the end of the day and I wouldn't trade the last 17 months of my life for all the riches in the world.
So whatever. Who cares about Eliza or her DNA evidence. In my opinion, It doesn't mean a thing in regards to the truth about MJ or TS. It's just a sideshow off the midway to eek and leer and gawk and look and then move on.
This murder/conspiracy/MJ is actually dead and the family is fooling us for money, thing has been debunked to death for ages. All we are doing is rehashing the same old long ago rock solid, iron clad theories and again we end up at hoax, same as last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and...
We all haven't been doing this for the last 17 months because we've been asleep or anything. Be confident. We haven't missed anything.
AMEN!!! Bravo sis!!!
This murder/conspiracy/MJ is actually dead and the family is fooling us for money, thing has been debunked to death for ages. All we are doing is rehashing the same old long ago rock solid, iron clad theories and again we end up at hoax, same as last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and...
DOUBLE AMEN TO THIS PART! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
TS is very persistent on the Eliza Presley court case, yet in his last post on 9/9/2010 he states that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda Hood Sigmon as an informer. It's known as from December 2009 that Linda doesn't support the ongoing court case anymore because Jesse asked Eliza to stop, and Eliza refused. Then why did TS suggest we'd get some media attention for her court case and, why did he encourage and support the twitter and email rallies?
In my opinion there are just two options:
1.He's not very familiar with all of Linda's website and didn't know Linda stopped supporting the case because Jesse asked Eliza to drop it.
2.He did know, but decided that the end justifies the means.
Both options raise more questions:
•Option 1 leads to the question: Can one guide the hoaxers according to MJ's plan when one's not completely familiar with a case of which one insists is a very important part of the MJ hoax?
•Option 2 leads to the question: Why would MJ willingly go against Jesse's wishes, just to serve the purpose of is own hoax, by jeopardizing the safety and well being of a man he greatly admired?
This is the confusion that I have for several days
TS is very persistent on the Eliza Presley court case, yet in his last post on 9/9/2010 he states that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda Hood Sigmon as an informer. It's known as from December 2009 that Linda doesn't support the ongoing court case anymore because Jesse asked Eliza to stop, and Eliza refused. Then why did TS suggest we'd get some media attention for her court case and, why did he encourage and support the twitter and email rallies?
In my opinion there are just two options:
1.He's not very familiar with all of Linda's website and didn't know Linda stopped supporting the case because Jesse asked Eliza to drop it.
2.He did know, but decided that the end justifies the means.
Both options raise more questions:
•Option 1 leads to the question: Can one guide the hoaxers according to MJ's plan when one's not completely familiar with a case of which one insists is a very important part of the MJ hoax?
•Option 2 leads to the question: Why would MJ willingly go against Jesse's wishes, just to serve the purpose of is own hoax, by jeopardizing the safety and well being of a man he greatly admired?
This is the confusion that I have for several days
I don't think it's as overly simplistic as you are presenting it Mo. Maybe there's more to the story. Maybe there's reasons that we don't understand yet. Maybe TS knows the whole thing is a fake and this IS the test and he's making a point.
But I'm still not understanding how you can think TS is a fake considering the connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, AND the estate without saying MJ is dead using the murder theory, which, as we've discussed at length, in widely held opinion based on critically tested long standing theory, is completely nonsensical.
Because if you're saying TS is a fake with connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, and Sony, (but not MJ), and was developed for product advertisement, then you're saying that MJ is dead, and if MJ is dead, considering the Murray connection, you're looking at murder, and by all appearances Sony would be under suspicion considering what they stood to gain... but now I'm just theorizing in circles.
Please correct me where I'm going off track Mo. I'm thoroughly confused on how you're arriving at this catastrophic chain of events in belief.
TS is very persistent on the Eliza Presley court case, yet in his last post on 9/9/2010 he states that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda Hood Sigmon as an informer. It's known as from December 2009 that Linda doesn't support the ongoing court case anymore because Jesse asked Eliza to stop, and Eliza refused. Then why did TS suggest we'd get some media attention for her court case and, why did he encourage and support the twitter and email rallies?
In my opinion there are just two options:
1.He's not very familiar with all of Linda's website and didn't know Linda stopped supporting the case because Jesse asked Eliza to drop it.
2.He did know, but decided that the end justifies the means.
Both options raise more questions:
•Option 1 leads to the question: Can one guide the hoaxers according to MJ's plan when one's not completely familiar with a case of which one insists is a very important part of the MJ hoax?
•Option 2 leads to the question: Why would MJ willingly go against Jesse's wishes, just to serve the purpose of is own hoax, by jeopardizing the safety and well being of a man he greatly admired?
This is the confusion that I have for several days
I don't think it's as overly simplistic as you are presenting it Mo. Maybe there's more to the story. Maybe there's reasons that we don't understand yet. Maybe TS knows the whole thing is a fake and this IS the test and he's making a point.
But I'm still not understanding how you can think TS is a fake considering the connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, AND the estate without saying MJ is dead using the murder theory, which, as we've discussed at length, in widely held opinion based on critically tested long standing theory, is completely nonsensical.
Because if you're saying TS is a fake with connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, and Sony, (but not MJ), and was developed for product advertisement, then you're saying that MJ is dead, and if MJ is dead, considering the Murray connection, you're looking at murder, and by all appearances Sony would be under suspicion considering what they stood to gain... but now I'm just theorizing in circles.
Please correct me where I'm going off track Mo. I'm thoroughly confused on how you're arriving at this catastrophic chain of events in belief.
Bec, I simply asked questions. Every question about TS is immediately overloaded with answers, except for these ones. "Maybe" and "let's wait and see" are the only answers I have seen so far. That means I'm not the only one who's wondering about this.
I never said MJ is dead, I never said MJ was murdered and I never said TS is a fake, yet it's assumed that I think he's dead, TS is covering up a murder and I'm done with the hoax. It sure is interesting to see how people interpret my posts and jump to conclusions while the only thing that caused all this is me posting facts about the inadmissible DNA evidence Eliza Presley submitted in court which we all, except for Souza, seem to have overlooked.
posting facts about the inadmissible DNA evidence Eliza Presley submitted in court which we all, except for Souza, seem to have overlooked.
This is right. When i read about it (somewhere)I thought it was an opinion of some sort, not a fact.
So, I am still a bit confused. Was TS who wrote that those tests were not admisible for court or was the lawyer?
Also, what should we take/ learn from this case? That people can go to court wih no proofs, as happened with MJ and Arvizo? , or that the law can do anything with no proof, as happened when Neverland was raided?
posting facts about the inadmissible DNA evidence Eliza Presley submitted in court which we all, except for Souza, seem to have overlooked.
This is right. When i read about it (somewhere)I thought it was an opinion of some sort, not a fact.
So, I am still a bit confused. Was TS who wrote that those tests were not admisible for court or was the lawyer?
Also, what should we take/ learn from this case? That people can go to court wih no proofs, as happened with MJ and Arvizo? , or that the law can do anything with no proof, as happened when Neverland was raided?
The lawyer presented the facts (evidence not having proof of chain of custody) and TS linked to that blog. So all of that information was presented the right way and this whole questioning TS because of this is because people missed some important information months ago.
What we learn from this is both things you mentioned + that people start a hate-campaign towards others after being provided with distorted information. Look at the diversion of the board, all because people simply don't read the info that was given to them. Learning point here.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Also, what should we take/ learn from this case? That people can go to court wih no proofs, as happened with MJ and Arvizo? , or that the law can do anything with no proof, as happened when Neverland was raided?
Gema, I just posted facts, something which was obviously needed as it's proven by the many highly surprised reactions that people didn't know. That's all I did, and whatever everyone wants to do with it is the people's own responsibility.
It is however important to thoroughly investigate all the evidence that's offered to us.
@Souza
The info even if was read, it was not understood properly and I think that it happened because of the lenght of TS´s posts. Too much info to digest, even for a native English speaker.
What I meant was if this Eliza´s case is the proof that the court system can be used even if "evidence" is not supplied according to the law. As happened when the Arvizo case or when Neverland got the raid. The second one was based on suppositions that MJ was a child molester..so they broke in to his safe <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Also, what should we take/ learn from this case? That people can go to court wih no proofs, as happened with MJ and Arvizo? , or that the law can do anything with no proof, as happened when Neverland was raided?
Gema, I just posted facts, something which was obviously needed as it's proven by the many highly surprised reactions that people didn't know. That's all I did, and whatever everyone wants to do with it is the people's own responsibility.
It is however important to thoroughly investigate all the evidence that's offered to us.
Well, I will start using a lexicon first <!-- s --><!-- s --> and also, from now on, I will take a load of coffee as soon as an extensive TS post comes up again.
@Souza
The info even if was read, it was not understood properly and I think that it happened because of the lenght of TS´s posts. Too much info to digest, even for a native English speaker.
It wasn't in TS' post, it was in the lawyer's blog and explained the same way as Mo did. What I am saying is that people should read before they judge. The lawyer was attacked for distorting the facts while he didn't and provided us with the right information. So I have no problems with the info posted again, I have a problem with the way it was presented.
Also, What happened to Mociennes court case?
Vanished into thin air. Cut out of the movie?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
@Souza
The info even if was read, it was not understood properly and I think that it happened because of the lenght of TS´s posts. Too much info to digest, even for a native English speaker.
It wasn't in TS' post, it was in the lawyer's blog and explained the same way as Mo did. What I am saying is that people should read before they judge. The lawyer was attacked for distorting the facts while he didn't and provided us with the right information. So I have no problems with the info posted again, I have a problem with the way it was presented.
Right on my front <!-- s --><!-- s --> I think I quit for today...i am totally mixed up.
Also, What happened to Mociennes court case?
Vanished into thin air. Cut out of the movie?[/quote]
Her case was also interesting and "more" connected to MJ <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
It wasn't in TS' post, it was in the lawyer's blog and explained the same way as Mo did. What I am saying is that people should read before they judge. The lawyer was attacked for distorting the facts while he didn't and provided us with the right information. So I have no problems with the info posted again, I have a problem with the way it was presented.
Again, for those who can understand:
Whatever way you look at it, probate lawyer Andrew Mayoras did post misleading information. Although he wrote about the Chain of Custody:
"Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples."
As we know by now this is not possible, and is therefore misleading information.
"Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples."
That sentence to me sounds like an opinion, not a fact.
This is one of the reasons why I got surprised that the tests were taken in that way and the evidence came from people not proving their id.
TS is very persistent on the Eliza Presley court case, yet in his last post on 9/9/2010 he states that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda Hood Sigmon as an informer. It's known as from December 2009 that Linda doesn't support the ongoing court case anymore because Jesse asked Eliza to stop, and Eliza refused. Then why did TS suggest we'd get some media attention for her court case and, why did he encourage and support the twitter and email rallies?
In my opinion there are just two options:
1.He's not very familiar with all of Linda's website and didn't know Linda stopped supporting the case because Jesse asked Eliza to drop it.
2.He did know, but decided that the end justifies the means.
Both options raise more questions:
•Option 1 leads to the question: Can one guide the hoaxers according to MJ's plan when one's not completely familiar with a case of which one insists is a very important part of the MJ hoax?
•Option 2 leads to the question: Why would MJ willingly go against Jesse's wishes, just to serve the purpose of is own hoax, by jeopardizing the safety and well being of a man he greatly admired?
This is the confusion that I have for several days
I don't think it's as overly simplistic as you are presenting it Mo. Maybe there's more to the story. Maybe there's reasons that we don't understand yet. Maybe TS knows the whole thing is a fake and this IS the test and he's making a point.
But I'm still not understanding how you can think TS is a fake considering the connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, AND the estate without saying MJ is dead using the murder theory, which, as we've discussed at length, in widely held opinion based on critically tested long standing theory, is completely nonsensical.
Because if you're saying TS is a fake with connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, and Sony, (but not MJ), and was developed for product advertisement, then you're saying that MJ is dead, and if MJ is dead, considering the Murray connection, you're looking at murder, and by all appearances Sony would be under suspicion considering what they stood to gain... but now I'm just theorizing in circles.
Please correct me where I'm going off track Mo. I'm thoroughly confused on how you're arriving at this catastrophic chain of events in belief.
Bec, I simply asked questions. Every question about TS is immediately overloaded with answers, except for these ones. "Maybe" and "let's wait and see" are the only answers I have seen so far. That means I'm not the only one who's wondering about this.
I never said MJ is dead, I never said MJ was murdered and I never said TS is a fake, yet it's assumed that I think he's dead, TS is covering up a murder and I'm done with the hoax. It sure is interesting to see how people interpret my posts and jump to conclusions while the only thing that caused all this is me posting facts about the inadmissible DNA evidence Eliza Presley submitted in court which we all, except for Souza, seem to have overlooked.
I guess I'm just not understanding how you can present a theory without connecting the remaining dots as I explained. A theory at this stage of the game is a fairly involved process considering all the information we have, so to present something so counter-intuitive as this is great... but only if you go all the way with it... and I cannot find a clear path of dots to connect without involving long ago debunked theories.
So I understand what you're saying, but please understand me as well. One man's conclusion jump is another man's dot connecting and you've lost me.
TS wrote :In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to <!-- m -->[url=http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;]http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;[/url]<!-- m --> whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media! This is an easy domain name to remember, and it’s already pointed to this thread (and it will stay here, even if TIAI redirects elsewhere). Also, I will be watching this thread pretty closely; and if anyone posts ridicule or other non-evidence based objections, I will be here to call them on it (unless someone else does before I do).
Sorry, but when things are not clear what is best to give an explanation, I personally would like to know TS insisted that both the case of Eliza, the explanation allows us to eliminate the problematic nature of things, we've all been in situations life in which we had to explain, especially when something is not clear enough or not understood, .. and if it is to think for myself, I'm doing, and that's why I wanted an explanation of TS.
TS wrote :In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to <!-- m -->[url=http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;]http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;[/url]<!-- m --> whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media! This is an easy domain name to remember, and it’s already pointed to this thread (and it will stay here, even if TIAI redirects elsewhere). Also, I will be watching this thread pretty closely; and if anyone posts ridicule or other non-evidence based objections, I will be here to call them on it (unless someone else does before I do).
Sorry, but when things are not clear what is best to give an explanation, I personally would like to know TS insisted that both the case of Eliza, the explanation allows us to eliminate the problematic nature of things, we've all been in situations life in which we had to explain, especially when something is not clear enough or not understood, .. and if it is to think for myself, I'm doing, and that's why I wanted an explanation of TS.
You're right Paula. Some sort of explanation would be nice although I'm not really expecting one yet. We all know Michael is alive, we're the ones who "get it" and have learned so much in the last 17 months. I think TS has given us the opportunity to logically come to a conclusion (or very good idea) of what's going on - with the hoax, in the world, and what is really important in life.
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You know what S.O.N.Y means..? AGAIN WHICH deal they made with Illuminati...?
Doesn't it make sens from a Hoax perspective that while Randy are in court (playing his part of the hoax) he might as well also write something about the case on twitter, right? Making it more believable.
And doesn't it also make sens to "blame" people who are already a part/aware of the hoax? People like Kenny Ortega, Estate Executors, AEG, Randy Phillips etc...
To me it just makes sens <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> Just a thought!
I still looking for answers on the following:
TS is very persistent on the Eliza Presley court case, yet in his last post on 9/9/2010 he states that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda Hood Sigmon as an informer. It's known as from December 2009 that Linda doesn't support the ongoing court case anymore because Jesse asked Eliza to stop, and Eliza refused. Then why did TS suggest we'd get some media attention for her court case and, why did he encourage and support the twitter and email rallies?
In my opinion there are just two options:
[li]He's not very familiar with all of Linda's website and didn't know Linda stopped supporting the case because Jesse asked Eliza to drop it.[/li] [li]He did know, but decided that the end justifies the means.[/li]
Both options raise more questions:
[li]Option 1 leads to the question: Can one guide the hoaxers according to MJ's plan when one's not completely familiar with a case of which one insists is a very important part of the MJ hoax?[/li] [li]Option 2 leads to the question: Why would MJ willingly go against Jesse's wishes, just to serve the purpose of is own hoax, by jeopardizing the safety and well being of a man he greatly admired?[/li]
Maybe she's a fake? Maybe she's not? We find out soon enough. I wouldn't believe any of these people at this point, why don't we just wait and see?
bec? Profanity? <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> I'd never have thought it possible!!LOL
Seriously though bec I think you're absolutely right. Keep watchin'. Wait it out and don't get in a tizzy over one thing that is a bit ambiguous. Just because we think we've interpreted everything right this far doesn't mean we have, we could've got so many things wrong. It's a ride worth staying on till the end for, otherwise what was the point of getting on?
AMEN!!! Bravo sis!!!
DOUBLE AMEN TO THIS PART! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
This is the confusion that I have for several days
The Elvis connection was so obvious from the beginning .... it was strange to me how people ignored it.
I don't think it's as overly simplistic as you are presenting it Mo. Maybe there's more to the story. Maybe there's reasons that we don't understand yet. Maybe TS knows the whole thing is a fake and this IS the test and he's making a point.
But I'm still not understanding how you can think TS is a fake considering the connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, AND the estate without saying MJ is dead using the murder theory, which, as we've discussed at length, in widely held opinion based on critically tested long standing theory, is completely nonsensical.
Because if you're saying TS is a fake with connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, and Sony, (but not MJ), and was developed for product advertisement, then you're saying that MJ is dead, and if MJ is dead, considering the Murray connection, you're looking at murder, and by all appearances Sony would be under suspicion considering what they stood to gain... but now I'm just theorizing in circles.
Please correct me where I'm going off track Mo. I'm thoroughly confused on how you're arriving at this catastrophic chain of events in belief.
Bec, I simply asked questions. Every question about TS is immediately overloaded with answers, except for these ones. "Maybe" and "let's wait and see" are the only answers I have seen so far. That means I'm not the only one who's wondering about this.
I never said MJ is dead, I never said MJ was murdered and I never said TS is a fake, yet it's assumed that I think he's dead, TS is covering up a murder and I'm done with the hoax. It sure is interesting to see how people interpret my posts and jump to conclusions while the only thing that caused all this is me posting facts about the inadmissible DNA evidence Eliza Presley submitted in court which we all, except for Souza, seem to have overlooked.
This is right. When i read about it (somewhere)I thought it was an opinion of some sort, not a fact.
So, I am still a bit confused. Was TS who wrote that those tests were not admisible for court or was the lawyer?
Also, what should we take/ learn from this case? That people can go to court wih no proofs, as happened with MJ and Arvizo? , or that the law can do anything with no proof, as happened when Neverland was raided?
The lawyer presented the facts (evidence not having proof of chain of custody) and TS linked to that blog. So all of that information was presented the right way and this whole questioning TS because of this is because people missed some important information months ago.
What we learn from this is both things you mentioned + that people start a hate-campaign towards others after being provided with distorted information. Look at the diversion of the board, all because people simply don't read the info that was given to them. Learning point here.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Gema, I just posted facts, something which was obviously needed as it's proven by the many highly surprised reactions that people didn't know. That's all I did, and whatever everyone wants to do with it is the people's own responsibility.
It is however important to thoroughly investigate all the evidence that's offered to us.
The info even if was read, it was not understood properly and I think that it happened because of the lenght of TS´s posts. Too much info to digest, even for a native English speaker.
What I meant was if this Eliza´s case is the proof that the court system can be used even if "evidence" is not supplied according to the law. As happened when the Arvizo case or when Neverland got the raid. The second one was based on suppositions that MJ was a child molester..so they broke in to his safe <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Also, What happened to Mociennes court case?
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Again, for those who can understand:
Whatever way you look at it, probate lawyer Andrew Mayoras did post misleading information. Although he wrote about the Chain of Custody:
"Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples."
As we know by now this is not possible, and is therefore misleading information.
That sentence to me sounds like an opinion, not a fact.
This is one of the reasons why I got surprised that the tests were taken in that way and the evidence came from people not proving their id.
I guess I'm just not understanding how you can present a theory without connecting the remaining dots as I explained. A theory at this stage of the game is a fairly involved process considering all the information we have, so to present something so counter-intuitive as this is great... but only if you go all the way with it... and I cannot find a clear path of dots to connect without involving long ago debunked theories.
So I understand what you're saying, but please understand me as well. One man's conclusion jump is another man's dot connecting and you've lost me.
Sorry, but when things are not clear what is best to give an explanation, I personally would like to know TS insisted that both the case of Eliza, the explanation allows us to eliminate the problematic nature of things, we've all been in situations life in which we had to explain, especially when something is not clear enough or not understood, .. and if it is to think for myself, I'm doing, and that's why I wanted an explanation of TS.
You're right Paula. Some sort of explanation would be nice although I'm not really expecting one yet. We all know Michael is alive, we're the ones who "get it" and have learned so much in the last 17 months. I think TS has given us the opportunity to logically come to a conclusion (or very good idea) of what's going on - with the hoax, in the world, and what is really important in life.