TIAI January 12

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  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    Andalusa or V, you sound like my mathematician son, who is always trying to tell me the same thing. But once you start on that humans naturally like to find patterns where it's just random, then it's the fast tract to nothing has meaning, and there is no Creator, nothing real that can't be proven empirically. Sometimes he even questions if there can even be truth itself. But, how can the human brain, which is leaps and bounds more complex that the best supercomputer, be random and accidental. Sad, sad existence. I'm a huge sceptic of what traditionally Christians have long held dear, simply from analyzing everything from all angles, and the more you study, the more you recognize what's possible historically and what raises flags. This MJ hoax is air-tight, so tight it almost doesn't seem humanly possible for me sometimes. I'd love to see another person try to re-create a death hoax on this scale of complexity. But hey, I don't blame doubters one little bit, because we've been lied to so much that we have to question EVERYTHING. Nothing should be rammed down a doubters throat. Being deceived and tricked is maddening and embarrassing. These 18 months we've all been tossed about like a ship at sea with questions and paradoxes, so are we now strong enough and ready to face the perfect storm coming upon us?
  • AnaMarciaAnaMarcia Posts: 860
    I know that some believers started to lose hope with the upcoming trial of Murray. But actually all they need to remember is the numerology of the hoax. I don't get why some find it so complicated because it definitely is not. And it is the ultimate proof of this hoax. If you still think that we only have imaginary speculations, I would offer you to check out the numerology one more time. 12:21 is just one of them. What could be the possibility of a coincidence for Murray to call 911 at 12:21 exactly? And again 2 hours and 5 minutes later the "death" time comes. 2+5=7. And how can it be a coincidence to make 77 days from the “death” on June 25 to 9-9-09; and 7 days from the “burial” to 9-9-09? Check out the memorial and funeral dates. 7/7/9 and 9/3/9. The dates speak at high volumes about the hoax. All we need to do is to remember the dates and time! REMEMBER THE TIME my friends! That's what we need to do. There is no need to lose hope. Trust the man with the plan. Give him all your LOVE, support, loyalty, endurance, courage, strength and patience...Believe him and put your trust in him.

    I agree that numerology is strong, but, if Michael returns, this story will not convince people, i.e., he can not use it because they will crucify him. He must have a much stronger reason to explain how.
  • SarahliSarahli Posts: 4,265
    But when Michael returns he will be the living proof that it's a hoax and the fact that we understood the numerology will serve as a kind of "alibi" certainly.
  • Evan Chandler
    Evan Chandler (born Evan Robert Charmatz)
    (25 January 1944 - 5 November 2009)
    was an American screenwriter and dentist, and was best known as accuser to pop star Michael Jackson. In 1993, Chandler accused the singer of molesting his son, Jordy Chandler. He also accused Jackson of other things like administering his son sedatives and alcohol, sleeping with him, and stated that Jackson was "more than friends" with Jordy, and said Jackson acted as if they were boyfriends. The 1993 child molestation case ended after Jackson reached a settlement with Chandler for U.S.$20 million.

    Chandler was also a screenwriter, co-writing the 1993 comedy film Robin Hood: Men in Tights. (Robin Hood is also a representation of "Green Man")

    He committed suicide on 5 November 2009 in his luxury apartment in Jersey City, New Jersey. He was 65 years old.
    <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Chandler<!-- m -->

    Remember, remember the fifth of November! ~ V for Vendetta
  • SarahliSarahli Posts: 4,265
    Evan Chandler
    Evan Chandler (born Evan Robert Charmatz)
    (25 January 1944 - 5 November 2009)
    was an American screenwriter and dentist, and was best known as accuser to pop star Michael Jackson. In 1993, Chandler accused the singer of molesting his son, Jordy Chandler. He also accused Jackson of other things like administering his son sedatives and alcohol, sleeping with him, and stated that Jackson was "more than friends" with Jordy, and said Jackson acted as if they were boyfriends. The 1993 child molestation case ended after Jackson reached a settlement with Chandler for U.S.$20 million.

    Chandler was also a screenwriter, co-writing the 1993 comedy film Robin Hood: Men in Tights. (Robin Hood is also a representation of "Green Man")

    He committed suicide on 5 November 2009 in his luxury apartment in Jersey City, New Jersey. He was 65 years old.
    <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Chandler<!-- m -->

    Remember, remember the fifth of November! ~ V for Vendetta

    I wonder how this "coincidence" can be explained ... we must admit that this timing is kind of "supernatural" if you see what I mean...
  • Evan Chandler
    Evan Chandler (born Evan Robert Charmatz)
    (25 January 1944 - 5 November 2009)
    was an American screenwriter and dentist, and was best known as accuser to pop star Michael Jackson. In 1993, Chandler accused the singer of molesting his son, Jordy Chandler. He also accused Jackson of other things like administering his son sedatives and alcohol, sleeping with him, and stated that Jackson was "more than friends" with Jordy, and said Jackson acted as if they were boyfriends. The 1993 child molestation case ended after Jackson reached a settlement with Chandler for U.S.$20 million.

    Chandler was also a screenwriter, co-writing the 1993 comedy film Robin Hood: Men in Tights. (Robin Hood is also a representation of "Green Man")

    He committed suicide on 5 November 2009 in his luxury apartment in Jersey City, New Jersey. He was 65 years old.
    <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Chandler<!-- m -->

    Remember, remember the fifth of November! ~ V for Vendetta

    I wonder how this "coincidence" can be explained ... we must admit that this timing is kind of "supernatural" if you see what I mean...

    How many coincidences does it take before they are no longer considered coincidences?

    How is it possible that a single man could have thought up all of this?
    Seriously my head is spinning over all of these things! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
  • likemikelikemike Posts: 105
    Wow! I have no words...I hear ya on the head spinning!! <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
  • Here is another one...

    Murray's preliminary hearing ended in a week or 7 days, January 4, 2011 - January 11, 2011
    OMG, Jordan Chandler was born January 11th 1980!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (wth-)

    http://people.famouswhy.com/jordy_chandler/
  • Likewise... I am just sitting here going "What!!!" (Lil Jon voice) <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
  • Evan Chandler
    Evan Chandler (born Evan Robert Charmatz)
    (25 January 1944 - 5 November 2009)
    was an American screenwriter and dentist, and was best known as accuser to pop star Michael Jackson. In 1993, Chandler accused the singer of molesting his son, Jordy Chandler. He also accused Jackson of other things like administering his son sedatives and alcohol, sleeping with him, and stated that Jackson was "more than friends" with Jordy, and said Jackson acted as if they were boyfriends. The 1993 child molestation case ended after Jackson reached a settlement with Chandler for U.S.$20 million.

    Chandler was also a screenwriter, co-writing the 1993 comedy film Robin Hood: Men in Tights. (Robin Hood is also a representation of "Green Man")

    He committed suicide on 5 November 2009 in his luxury apartment in Jersey City, New Jersey. He was 65 years old.
    <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Chandler<!-- m -->

    Remember, remember the fifth of November! ~ V for Vendetta

    I wonder how this "coincidence" can be explained ... we must admit that this timing is kind of "supernatural" if you see what I mean...

    How many coincidences does it take before they are no longer considered coincidences?

    How is it possible that a single man could have thought up all of this?
    Seriously my head is spinning over all of these things! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->

    And let's not forget that the Evan Chandler "Suicide" also lead to a number of additional "coincidences":

    The suicide of Evan Chandler was reported on November 17 2009, which was also the 70th anniversary one night showing of “The Wizard of Oz”.
    TS redirected the night before, and pointed to a Wikipedia photo with the Yellow Brick road and Emerald City behind. And to quote TS: "This photo came from the Emerald City page on Wikipedia, not the Wizard of Oz page {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_City}. What are the odds that the E-van C-handler news came out on this same day, and had the same initials as E-merald C-ity, all by coincidence?"
    The news of the Death of Evan Chandler was exactly 21 days (Inclusive reckoning - 777) after the release of This Is It on the Big screens (28th October 2009)

    Accepting the "Hoax numerology" means questioning a lot of the events that "Took place" in Michael's life.

    Does anybody know what Evan Chandler looked like? Here are a few photos - same man?
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJY1sF6biTvUVKqn-frIxv-owgx1aPJCBsY76ly3TpHLk1mSyJAg
    evan-chandler.jpg
    evan-chandler-240.jpg

    Sorry for going on a tangent TS and All but I Love skiing off piste! And a lot has already been said about 911 and 12:21... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

    The BIG question that comes to mind is whether the Hoax numerology was designed to fit past events or whether significant past events were staged to fit the Hoax numerology and very importantly where is such a complicated production leading to. Interesting isn't it!

    With L.O.V.E
  • curlscurls Posts: 3,111
    If you believe all these numbers/dates are intentional and not coincidental then you have to believe that EVERYTHING relating to these dates is under MJ's direct control (that's assuming it's MJ, not someone else, that's behind all the numerology). That would mean the timing of all the court proceedings are controlled by him (in order for the numbers to work), and are therefore not 'real'. Someone in high office is going along with his timetable and ensuring things happen when they're 'supposed to'.

    I'm not sure I go along with this theory! I do think there is such a thing as coincidence.
    Here is another one...

    Murray's preliminary hearing ended in a week or 7 days, January 4, 2011 - January 11, 2011

    Sorry Serenity, I think you've force fitted this one! Jan 4th - Jan 11th is 8 days, not 7, in the inclusive method that is favoured in the hoax's numerology.
  • If you believe all these numbers/dates are intentional and not coincidental then you have to believe that EVERYTHING relating to these dates is under MJ's direct control (that's assuming it's MJ, not someone else, that's behind all the numerology). That would mean the timing of all the court proceedings are controlled by him (in order for the numbers to work), and are therefore not 'real'. Someone in high office is going along with his timetable and ensuring things happen when they're 'supposed to'.

    I'm not sure I go along with this theory! I do think there is such a thing as coincidence.
    Here is another one...

    Murray's preliminary hearing ended in a week or 7 days, January 4, 2011 - January 11, 2011

    Sorry Serenity, I think you've force fitted this one! Jan 4th - Jan 11th is 8 days, not 7, in the inclusive method that is favoured in the hoax's numerology.

    I just said it was week and that's all. I never said anything about inclusive reckoning or numerology. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->

    The point really was the coincidence between the preliminary hearing end date and Jordan Chandler's birth date. Another poster on the other forum felt it was significant so I re-posted that here.
  • curlscurls Posts: 3,111
    I apologise, I thought you were drawing attention to the ever popular 7!
  • All of this make s me think again of TIME because time seems to be important in what we heard in the preliminary hearing and time isn't just the ticking clock but also the calendar.

    Remember the Time

    We have 4 years to get this right

    Mayan calendar & 2012

    It's an adventure, a great adventure...you want to show them time like you've never seen it before
    (I know not every agrees on that but I honestly believe that is what Michael says <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> )
  • When I think about Michael's awesome genius --and although I continue to contemplate that at some point, MJ's life was in danger which upped the ante or required changes to his original plan -- I like to reread what TS said in Update #4C because it is succinct and logical and helps to calm me so I say, "all I gotta do is sit and wait, wait for it all to be revealed as planned."

    I feel a great peace in thinking about what's next because Michael is in God's favor and he dwells in the shelter of the Most High abiding in the shadow of the Almighty. The Lord is his refuge and fortress and the Lord will command His angels concerning Michael to guard him in all his ways.(from Psalm 91)

    4-27. Did MJ Ever Think of a Thriller Sequel?

    The original Thriller made all-time records in both the album, and the music video {http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/this-is-it; also <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(album<!-- m -->), and <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ja ... s_Thriller<!-- m -->}. So do you suppose that during three decades, the thought of a Thriller sequel ever crossed Michael’s mind even once? Don’t you think there is a 1000% chance that MJ thought of a sequel at least one time, and probably hundreds of times?

    And if he thought of it, what do you suppose he was thinking? Maybe: how to outdo the biggest music video ever. But that’s not easy; especially not with a sequel. Very rarely do sequels exceed the original. So MJ just gave up on the idea, right? Does that sound like Michael Genius Jackson? Is there perhaps at least a 1% chance that MJ came up with a plan to outdo Thriller??

    There is one thing, and only one thing, that could possibly outdo the original Thriller video; you guessed it, a real-life Thriller! Do you honestly think that this thought never once crossed his mind? In fact, the original Thriller went back and forth between reality and illusion several times; and yet, it was actually all just a video—not reality. But is it possible that he ever once thought about bringing it off of the screen, and into our real-life circumstances?

    And if he did think of a real-life Thriller: do you suppose that he had the time (about three decades), motivation (especially after the two court cases), money, influence, and intelligence to pull it off?
    And if he did plan to do a real-world “death” and “resurrection”: don’t you think that he would plan to do it at a specific time? And what would that time be, if not one that fits so well with 777 & 99-09, etc? He certainly didn’t do any big death hoax before 6-25-09; and if he was planning to do it after 6-25-09, why? Why pass up the perfect timing, and plan it for another time later??

    Could it be that 6-25-09 is the date that he planned? And if so, is there a slight chance that he succeeded in his plan?? Or did he just happen to die on the very same day that he was planning a fake death??? And again: just perhaps, did he plan a Thriller sequel that would outdo the original? If so: then perhaps, just maybe; maybe, maybe—“This Is It”!!!

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    4-28. MJ Certainly Had Something Big Planned

    Is there any evidence that he has been planning this for years, maybe even decades? Yes, there are several things. One of which we already examined, and that is the autographs (1998, Dangerous code, etc). These all indicated at least something major on 9-9-09. The Liberian Girl video, from about twenty years ago, leaves us with a pretty strong feeling that he was already working on this plan back then.

    Another thing is the MJ will, dated 7-7-02, exactly 7 years before the memorial {http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/01/michael-jacksons-last-will-diana-ross-mentioned/; <!-- m -->http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/22/michael-j ... s-probate/<!-- m -->}. Just a few weeks before, MJ had spoken out and said: “... they never thought, that this performer, myself, would outthink them. ... I promise you, the best is yet to come.” { and see this similar video, from just one day before the 7-7-02 will: <!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGCZUT9DG4<!-- m -->}

    What was he referring to? What was his plan (outthinking), and when did he implement it? What was the “best” to come after 2002? And what was the big and “innovating” film “surprises” that he mentioned to Geraldo in 2005 {}? There seems to be no answer to these questions, unless of course the answer is Thriller II (TII). In fact, since MJ did do film clips for TII (Gilda fake death, spider resurrection, etc): then whatever he was planning, we can be quite sure “This Is It”.

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    4-29. Hoax Timing, the Bigger Picture

    It is quite obvious that the real-life Thriller sequel is exactly what MJ had planned; and he planned the timing—not only a specific day, but even right down to the minute. So now let’s look at the larger picture of the timing—especially since we know that MJ has been planning this for many years.

    MJ moved to Bahrain in 2005, and then to Las Vegas in 2007; finally he moved to Holmby Hills in late 2008 (and remained there until he “died”). For several reasons, he wanted to be in the LA area for the death hoax; so that’s why he placed himself there, just at the right time to get things rolling.

    Notice the following chronology statements from the TII DVD: “... after a decade’s absence from the stage ...” {introduction}. “About two years ago [2007], we were building a new arena in London [O2]. ... So I pitched Michael two years ago, and I was summarily turned down. I was told, ‘He’s really not ready at this time.’ ... Then, early September of ’08, I got a call from the gentlemen who I work for, and he said Michael was actually ready to come back to work ... this was gonna be his come back to the live stage after 13 years ...” {Randy Phillips; TII DVD, Staging the Return, The Adventure Begins, at 2:35 & 7:35; see also <!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauHdberFw8<!-- m -->, 2:01}.

    According to MTV, the Dome Project (film clips for TII) was completed on 6-9-09; this would be about two weeks before the “death” {http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1615003/20090630/jackson_michael.jhtml}. Amazing that the film portions were conveniently completed, just before he “died”!

    “June 24, 2009 ... that last rehearsal day ... the goal had been reached ... We were gonna then pack up everything, put it on a boat, send it to the U.K., to London ... and start dress rehearsals over there. That’s how close we were.” {Travis Payne & Randy Phillips; TII DVD, Staging the Return, Beyond the Show, at 7:00}.

    Randy Phillips (the CEO for AEG Live) reported that MJ said the following, after that last rehearsal night: “... thanks for getting me this far, I can take it from here.” {} That was a rather strange thing for MJ to say—strange, that is, unless he was expecting to fake his death on the following day.

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    4-30. Coincidence: Odds of 7 Versus 777

    So we have seen that all the times, in relation to the “death” of MJ, were very well planned: the year, the day, and the hour, and even the minute! What is the likelihood that this could’ve all happened by coincidence (plus the many, many other things which aren’t even mentioned here)? True, it’s possible for the timing to be planned, and yet not a hoax plan but rather a murder plan (designed to look like a hoax). In that case, it would not be a coincidence. We’ll look at the murder theory in Update 4d; but for now, we are just examining whether this could all be random coincidences.

    For those who are trying to find a specific number, such as “7”: there’s about one chance in ten that any single digit will be 7 by chance, not by plan; so if you are looking through hundreds of numbers, no doubt you will run across many 7’s that are just coincidence. On top of that, if you start doing math with the numbers, you have an even greater likelihood of finding a 7 by chance; like 3 + 4 = 7, or 1 + 6 = 7, or 5 + 2 = 7, etc. So a lot of 7’s could exist quite by chance.

    However, it is much less likely that 777 would exist by chance; instead of one chance in ten, this would be one chance in a thousand. Nevertheless, it is quite easy to look around until you find a 7, and then continue looking until you find two more 7’s (three 7’s total), and then stop looking.

    For example, you might find a picture with 7 trees in it—then look around and see a driveway that is 7 feet wide; after that you look for something to happen at 7:00, and indeed something happens then (because something always happens). Then you say wow, I found 777! But these three 7’s are essentially unrelated. If the picture had three distinctly separate clusters of trees (not more than three clusters, and not less than three): and each cluster of trees had 7 individual trees, then that would qualify as finding a 777.

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    4-31. Any Chance That This Was Just Chance?

    In the hoax timing, there is not one but three different SETS of 777; and each set of three 7’s are things very closely related, and have three 7’s, no more and no less. The time of day on the 911 call (12:21) and the death (2:26) had three 7’s; the day of the memorial had three sevens (7 years from will, 7th month of the year, 7th day of the month, all in descending order: year, month, day); and finally 9-9-09 was 77 days from the death, and 7 days from the burial. And all three of these 777’s are in the same general category: time.

    What are the odds that these three sets of three 7’s all happened by chance? If a single set is about one chance in a thousand: then three sets would be about one chance in a thousand, times a thousand, times a thousand—or one chance in a billion! Yes, it’s a little less, because some simple math was used on the 12:21 and 2:26.

    However, it’s actually far more than one in a billion, once we calculate the odds that the 911 call was made immediately at 12:21—not 30 or 45 seconds later. And then there’s the 1998 autograph, pointing clearly to 999 (9-9-09); also the movie poster on 9-9-09, and several other things (autopsy finalized, etc). And 777 + 999 = 1776; the list could go on and on and on, but we’ll stop here to save space and time.

    What are the odds that all of these things happened by coincidence, and were not planned? Quite frankly, at least practically speaking: it is IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!! We can be 100% certain that these things were planned...
  • Thanks for the redirect, TS and for keeping our hopes alive as we continue to have faith.

    Some days are harder than others- and then something will be brought to my eyes again, and everything seems o clear once again.

    The TS ST 12:21 mirroring was a brilliant example- wow.

    As for those whose opinion is that these are all coincidences: I value your thoughts and opinions. But there comes a time when we have to recognize a certain number of coincidences are a pattern. And as was pointed out already, if WE believe in numerology etc does not matter, as we did not create the hoax.

    This is brilliant planning- and we already know how meticulous Michael was about all details of his art. If you see this hoax as an extension of his art, don't you think he would have been just as meticulous in planning it as he would have been with his songs, records, and performances. He, and only he, would be the one cue-ing it- remember how often that was said on TII? <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • ladymjcladymjc Posts: 99
    If Michael is going by the Mayan calendar (assuming because of the 12/21/2012 statement) then another date to look at is August 11. It is the first recorded date by the Mayans and the first day on the calendar.

    August 11, 2009 The Coroner's office completes its autopsy in the case, but puts the results on security hold in order to allow the LAPD to complete its criminal probe.
    7 days later...
    Aug. 18- Murray posted his youtube video.
    Aug. 25- A video showing Michael Jackson jumping out of the coroner’s van surfaces on the internet. And it is announced Murray's prelim would start in January.
    Sept 1- Michael Jackson’s death certificate has been amended
    Sept 8- Randy Jackson Slams Coverage of Private Funeral- "Many media organizations decided to ignore our wishes. They employed helicopters that not only surreptitiously recorded our private family ceremony, but also severely disrupted it."
    Sept 15-In wake of Michael Jackson case, officials to unveil upgraded state prescription drug database
    Sept 22- Prosecutors investigating Michael Jackson’s death have called Nicole Alvarez, 27, the girlfriend of the singer’s personal doctor to testify before a grand jury

    And it goes on and on. He really like the number 7 didn't he?
  • becbec Posts: 6,387
    If you believe all these numbers/dates are intentional and not coincidental then you have to believe that EVERYTHING relating to these dates is under MJ's direct control (that's assuming it's MJ, not someone else, that's behind all the numerology). That would mean the timing of all the court proceedings are controlled by him (in order for the numbers to work), and are therefore not 'real'. Someone in high office is going along with his timetable and ensuring things happen when they're 'supposed to'.

    I'm not sure I go along with this theory! I do think there is such a thing as coincidence.
    Here is another one...

    Murray's preliminary hearing ended in a week or 7 days, January 4, 2011 - January 11, 2011

    Sorry Serenity, I think you've force fitted this one! Jan 4th - Jan 11th is 8 days, not 7, in the inclusive method that is favoured in the hoax's numerology.

    It's not favored it just depends on how you're counting. If you count blocks of days together you cannot use inclusive (counting the start and end day in each block with inclusive adds (1) per block of days you add together) or the count becomes inaccurate.

    So it's really not forcing anything considering 1/4/11 was 70 days from 10/26/10 so do we count 1/4 with the 70 block or do we count it with the 7 day block? Well it depends on whether you counted the 10/26 or if it was included in the count before. So, I have been tracking the days since 6/25/09, and I do not count the end date with the previous block (6/25/09->9/3/09=70 days EXclusive, not including 9/3 in the total), instead counting it forward (with the next block of days) as I did with 6/25 all the way at the beginning of things.

    So 1/4/11 was 70 days since 10/26 and that means 1/4/11 wasn't counted yet. So we can start counting with 1/4/11 but the end day of whatever period we have going forward isn't counted in the total unless of course it's the last day of the hoax... but until that time comes, the counts will remain progressive.

    I digress too much. SO, we start counting with 1/4/11.
    1/4, 1 day
    1/5, 2 days
    1/6, 3 days
    1/7, 4 days
    1/8, 5 days
    1/9, 6 days
    1/10, 7 days to 1/11
    1/11, start new count if you chose.

    You see?

    So if this is one period in time, yes, it's 8 total days, but it's part of a much larger (and longer) picture. for example, 1/4 is 21 days to 1/25, 7 days to 1/11, on which the next court date was scheduled for 14 days later on the 25th.

    Do you understand or did I loose you? I loose myself sometimes too, and I've always been good with numbers, but counting day blocks is confusing without a giant calendar to work on.

    I think TS brought up that inclusive thing just to be confusing lol, because really it's not useful in working with these day blocks n such. And that's the truth... after many hours studying this, and many many scratch papers on the floor of my office (you'd die, looks like a mad scientist lives here, my friend says I have "A Beautiful Mind" lol), inclusive reckoning is more a descriptive term, and it's application depends greatly on context, and it is significantly less a rule or formula that applies to tracking the hoax.
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    Well Serenity I must confess Evan's suicide on the 5th of November always was a big puzzle to me ...... how on earth could this happen <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> ?
    This has to be God's hand, as I don't believe Michael had something to with it, except the case he used ESP to send Evan suicidal suggestions <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->

    Just like Eli from The Book of Eli, Michael seems protected by a higher force, because no human can plan such a scenario and make it work like a swiss clock.....

    Oh Michael shall we ever learn the truth <!-- s:cry: -->:cry:<!-- s:cry: --> ?!
  • The one thing that has always bothered me is Evan Chandlers death...does anyone have another explanation to how this cant be a coincidence...did he really die?...I know that doesn't sound right but I don't know how else to explain it.
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891

    There is not a coincidence in this hoax. Everything is very well planned. If you read TS' posts well, you would understand how impossible the numerology to be just a coincidence. And NOBODY could prove TS is wrong. All of the numerology in this hoax can be a coincidence? What is the possibility of it? Can you pls show it to us if you think that it is all just a coincidence, or just some of them are coincidences?

    Who said the trial is real? The trial is the fiction in reality. It has to look real because this is a hoax and Michael is still dead to the world. But it doesn't mean that it is real. Just a few key people in the authorities is enough to make this hoax work. And of course the date of the Murray trial is not a coincidence again.


    I don't think any of this is a coincidence. However, I have to question who really planned it all. That's my biggest problem and fear. There. I said it.

    So you say Michael couldn't plan this all? Who else and with what purpose could someone plan this all except Michael? Well, Michael is such a genius that he planned it all. I find my jaw on the floor many times when I find out more about the hoax. He is beyond a genius. Trust and believe in him. He is the man with the plan.
  • mdcmdc Posts: 343

    There is not a coincidence in this hoax. Everything is very well planned. If you read TS' posts well, you would understand how impossible the numerology to be just a coincidence. And NOBODY could prove TS is wrong. All of the numerology in this hoax can be a coincidence? What is the possibility of it? Can you pls show it to us if you think that it is all just a coincidence, or just some of them are coincidences?

    Who said the trial is real? The trial is the fiction in reality. It has to look real because this is a hoax and Michael is still dead to the world. But it doesn't mean that it is real. Just a few key people in the authorities is enough to make this hoax work. And of course the date of the Murray trial is not a coincidence again.


    I don't think any of this is a coincidence. However, I have to question who really planned it all. That's my biggest problem and fear. There. I said it.

    So you say Michael couldn't plan this all? Who else and with what purpose could someone plan this all except Michael? Well, Michael is such a genius that he planned it all. I find my jaw on the floor many times when I find out more about the hoax. He is beyond a genius. Trust and believe in him. He is the man with the plan.

    I never said Michael couldn't have planned it. But there is a chance that someone else could have. I will not overlook that under any circumstances. One should always question. If you don't question you are easily led. I don't wish to be led.


    ETA: I have to wonder also if Evan Chandler is really dead. Did we see a death certificate on him? The media sure didn't give much hoopla on that little detail. That November 5 "coincidence" is a little disturbing.
  • GINAFELICIAGINAFELICIA Posts: 6,506
    ETA: I have to wonder also if Evan Chandler is really dead. Did we see a death certificate on him? The media sure didn't give much hoopla on that little detail. That November 5 "coincidence" is a little disturbing.

    Oh how can he not be dead <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> ?!
  • SarahliSarahli Posts: 4,265
    Okay let's try. Maybe that this is God who wished that E Chandler commits suicide on that very day?? So if it is in fact true, it proves that God is helping Michael.
  • mdcmdc Posts: 343
    ETA: I have to wonder also if Evan Chandler is really dead. Did we see a death certificate on him? The media sure didn't give much hoopla on that little detail. That November 5 "coincidence" is a little disturbing.

    Oh how can he not be dead <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> ?!

    Lol. Well, how can MJ not be dead?
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