<br />@bindupbrokenhearted: In the spirit of continuing to discuss this in love, this is how I see it: to observe/remember the Sabbath is to show your loyalty to the creator, loyalty to his timetable as opposed to the timetable of the world; to have him as ultimate authority, not your house/money/job/anyone or anything else as the determinant factor to your decision-making. What does his word tell me to do VS. What does my bank account say I can do. Enter the rich man (Mark 10:17-31): he didn't murder, he didn't covet, he didn't steal, he didn't commit adultery, he didn't give false testimony, he didn't defraud anyone, he honored his parents, but he had his material possessions sitting on the throne instead of YHWH. He didn't want to give up his "richness", he saw that as a loss and walked away feeling"grieved" even though Yeshua told him that in doing so he would have treasure in heaven in its place. Treasure in heaven does not spoil; treasure on earth deteriorates (Matthew 6:19). The spiritual things are definitely more valuable. I think the Sabbath is a small test of loyalty in comparison to some of the examples in the scriptures. The characters/historical figures that showed the most loyalty in these biblical accounts would willingly risk/embrace death, give up their most precious possessions, or give up their elevated status in society in order to follow the Father's will, to avoid compromising what YHWH/Yeshua has commanded them to do. <br /><br />I'm seeing this parallel with Michael's hoax (from the top of my head: Julien's auction getting rid of material possessions, leaving inheritance for your children (Proverbs 13:22), utilizing your opulence to care for his flock [charity], in the case that he is not living with his children at the moment, then he is giving up family for the sake of spreading the gospel [Matthew 19:29]). Whether he actually did or not, whether it's just for the "movie" or not, I don't know, but the information we're getting is in line with the scriptural examples. I don't know about the Sabbath though, lol. Regardless, I still see it as a test of loyalty.<br /><br /><br />@jono: the alternate perspective is that the Spirit enables you to walk like Yeshua as opposed to our own effort; no one can be perfect without him.<br /><br />"perspectives", lol. Reminds me of V for Vanquish. <br />
<br /><br />Hi Melody:<br /><br />Like I said, I would LOVE to keep the Saturday Sabbath. But...God knows there is more at stake in me keeping my job (which requires me to work on some Saturdays) than if I stopped working. For example:<br /><br />Matthew 12: 1-14<br /><br />
1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.<br /><br /> 2But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.<br /><br /> 3But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;<br /><br /> 4How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?<br /><br /> 5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?<br /><br /> 6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.<br /><br /> 7But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.<br /><br /> 8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.<br /><br /> 9And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:<br /><br /> 10And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.<br /><br /> 11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?<br /><br /> 12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.<br /><br /> 13Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.<br /><br /> 14Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
<br /><br />Therefore, in order to fulfill God's work, Jesus did what God the Father wanted Him to do, even if it meant to work on the Sabbath. He questioned (rhetorically and paraphrase) that it is better that I heal a man now instead of wait for the Sabbath to be over? (see verse 11 above).<br /><br />In other words, sometimes we DO have to work on the Sabbath if it is a life and death situation. <br /><br />Also, again, if you are in Christ, you are saved by Faith. God will judge the heart, not man. So, even though I don't necessarily like working on Saturdays, I do it BECAUSE God has asked me to, as there are lives here at stake. If I told you I was a doctor and healed the sick, would that change anything? Because this is the truth. I am healing lives here.<br /><br />I am not doing it for money. God knows this in my heart. I am absolutely loyal to my Creator. He know this, as He knows I WOULD keep the Sabbath if I could or was able too. But...He loves me and others so much that He realizes that some things (like healing) are best done at the present moment, Saturday or not.<br /><br />With love <br /><br />bearhug
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<br />[...]<br />SimPattyK, wonderful collage of MJ and rainbows! Wow! The link also has so much! Just adding about the two pillars that Michael in Captain EO stands between, is like the 2 pillars of Solomon’s temple named Jachin and Boaz, and also like the story of super-strong Samson taking down the enemy by pushing on the two supporting pillars and making the building collapse. Sim, do you realize that because we are finding how absolutely vast this rabbit hole is becoming and how we are probably only scratching the surface, you could be gathering enough collages for a thick hard-cover book!<br /> OMG! [...]
lolll I am glad you love the "RAINBOW-montages"... others told me too, that I could make an illustrated-book out of them all lol <br /><br />Regarding the pillars the temple of Solomon ... those pillars seem to appear not only in Captain EO but also in YANA video and what RK said about YANA clip and the garden of Adam and Eve on another topic.... I had made few months ago these photo-montages.... with some more info/interpretation added...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
@bindupbrokenhearted: Ah yes, I share that view. What I had in mind when I mentioned risking/embracing death was more of a "risking one's own comfort", being completely self-less, unconcerned about your own life if it came down to surviving or obeying YHWH. I do think believers should follow Yeshua's example in the case of emergencies when others' lives are at stake. Walking in the Spirit of the law takes precedence for sure.<br /><br />@RK: the video sounds promising already, lol.
<br />@bindupbrokenhearted: Ah yes, I share that view. What I had in mind when I mentioned risking/embracing death was more of a "risking one's own comfort", being completely self-less, unconcerned about your own life if it came down to surviving or obeying YHWH. I do think believers should follow Yeshua's example in the case of emergencies when others' lives are at stake. Walking in the Spirit of the law takes precedence for sure.<br /><br />@RK: the video sounds promising already, lol.<br />
<br /><br />Thanks Melody bearhug<br /><br />And @jono Thanks bearhug and love your posts too!<br />
<br /><br />http://goodnewspirit.com/rainbow.htm<br /><br />"God said, 'Here is the sign of the Covenant I make between myself and you and every living creature with you for all generations: I set my rainbow in the clouds and it shall be a sign of the Covenant between me and the earth." (Genesis 9:12-13)<br /><br />"When I gather the clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will recall the Covenant between myself and you and every living creature of every kind. And so the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all things of flesh." (Genesis 9:14-15).<br /><br />"When the rainbow is in the clouds I shall see it and call to mind the everlasting Covenant between God and every living creature of every kind that is found on the earth." (Genesis 9:16).<br /><br /> When the sign of God is manifested on earth, it shall be accompanied by a rainbow. The Spirit of God, when it descended visibly out of the heavens before the gaze of the prophet Ezekiel came wrapped in the following aura:<br /><br />"Above the vault over their heads was something that looked like a sapphire; it was shaped like a throne and high up on this throne was a being that looked like a man. I saw him shine like bronze, and close to and all around him from what seemed his loins upwards was what looked like fire; and from what seemed his loins downwards I saw what looked like fire, and a light all round like a rainbow in the clouds on rainy days; that is how the surrounding light appeared.. It was something that looked like the glory of God. I looked, and prostrated myself, and I heard the voice of one speaking." (Ez.1:26-28).<br /><br />The time of distress, described above, has already started, so that rainbow is not far away. The symbolism of the relationship between the rainbow and God's everlasting Covenant continues from one end of scripture to the other. Here are two quotations from the Book of Revelation:<br /><br />"And then in my vision, I saw a door open in heaven and heard the same voice speaking to me, the voice like a trumpet, saying, 'Come up here: I will show you what is to come in the future'. With that, the Spirit possessed me and I saw a throne standing in heaven, and the One who was sitting on the throne. The Person sitting there looked like a diamond and a ruby. There was a rainbow encircling the throne, and this had the resemblance of an emerald." (Rev.4:1-3).<br /><br />"Then I saw another powerful angel coming down from heaven, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow over his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were pillars of fire." (Rev.10:1).<br /><br /><br />
<br /><br /><br />http://goodnewspirit.com/rainbow.htm<br /><br />"God said, 'Here is the sign of the Covenant I make between myself and you and every living creature with you for all generations: I set my rainbow in the clouds and it shall be a sign of the Covenant between me and the earth." (Genesis 9:12-13)<br /><br />"When I gather the clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will recall the Covenant between myself and you and every living creature of every kind. And so the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all things of flesh." (Genesis 9:14-15).<br /><br />"When the rainbow is in the clouds I shall see it and call to mind the everlasting Covenant between God and every living creature of every kind that is found on the earth." (Genesis 9:16).<br /><br /> When the sign of God is manifested on earth, it shall be accompanied by a rainbow. The Spirit of God, when it descended visibly out of the heavens before the gaze of the prophet Ezekiel came wrapped in the following aura:<br /><br />"Above the vault over their heads was something that looked like a sapphire; it was shaped like a throne and high up on this throne was a being that looked like a man. I saw him shine like bronze, and close to and all around him from what seemed his loins upwards was what looked like fire; and from what seemed his loins downwards I saw what looked like fire, and a light all round like a rainbow in the clouds on rainy days; that is how the surrounding light appeared.. It was something that looked like the glory of God. I looked, and prostrated myself, and I heard the voice of one speaking." (Ez.1:26-28).<br /><br />The time of distress, described above, has already started, so that rainbow is not far away. The symbolism of the relationship between the rainbow and God's everlasting Covenant continues from one end of scripture to the other. Here are two quotations from the Book of Revelation:<br /><br />"And then in my vision, I saw a door open in heaven and heard the same voice speaking to me, the voice like a trumpet, saying, 'Come up here: I will show you what is to come in the future'. With that, the Spirit possessed me and I saw a throne standing in heaven, and the One who was sitting on the throne. The Person sitting there looked like a diamond and a ruby. There was a rainbow encircling the throne, and this had the resemblance of an emerald." (Rev.4:1-3).<br /><br />"Then I saw another powerful angel coming down from heaven, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow over his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were pillars of fire." (Rev.10:1).<br /><br /><br /><br />
Magnificent pics and post Sarahli!! bearhug<br /><br />These videos go with it and with what Don'twalkAway said on the previous page about the Rainbow, the colors, the light and DNA!<br /><br /><br /><br />Music & Love<br /><br /><br />NO. 8 reversed... infinity symbol....<br />
Beautiful posts Sarahli and thanks for the videos SimPattyK. I just listened to them all. The one which is for unlocking codons is over an hour long but I played the whole thing ! I figured it doesn't hurt to try it. I feel really peaceful and calm now.<br /><br />Love you guys.
Jono, thanks for your posts and adding that about Jesus' commandments which I agree with. Romans is certainly helpful in clarifying this subject. <br /><br /> Mjonmind, I also agree. Jesus was God's Son, he certainly wasn't "breaking the Sabbath" but rather, fulfilling it. However my point was: the Jews at the time did believe he broke the Sabbath by performing miracles on that day and thusly, did not believe him to be the Messiah. People who keep the Sabbath, believe it is to be kept forever and the New Testament says otherwise; hence why Christians are Christians and Jews are Jews etc. So the comparison between the two and the reasons as to why some keep the Sabbath and some don't, are not logical comparisons to make when making an argument against why Christians don't keep Sabbath. This is because Christians believe Jesus was/is the Messiah therefore, they do not keep the old covenant. For these same reasons, Jews for example, do NOT believe he is the Messiah and therefore: DO keep the Old Covenant. For example: Jesus' very existence and purpose contradicts the Torah, and that is what some aren't understanding. This is why Jews only follow the Old Testament and do not believe in the New. At the end of the day, whether or not Sabbath keeping is the "Mark of the Beast", is strictly dependant upon one's own beliefs. Mind you, there is zero Biblical support of that claim.<br /><br /> On that note, I agree 100% bindupbrokenhearted, Sabbath isn't NEEDED for salvation. That is what Ron's claim is; which goes against Jesus who stated: it is not the works of man but the faith and love that gives us righteousness and salvation. There is zero Biblical support of the grand claim that the Old Ark of the Covenant will resurface and be crucial to our salvation. Also, there is zero support of any of Ron's claims regarding the blood belonging to Jesus for if there was, every Christian would gladly welcome his findings. If in fact there is, than by all means: please share along with the Biblical evidence.
MJonMind, I just read what you posted about the Coral Castle. Very Interesting, Thankyou for posting it. You know I love this kind of stuff. <br /><br />Also, all this talking about Jesus' blood and how it might have been on the arc reminds me of the Catholic church. During the communion ceremony they hold up the wine and say something like "Drink this for this is my blood" and then they hold up the wafers/bread and say "Eat this for this is my body" and then something about "everlasting life". They ring bells/chimes after the priest holds each thing up if I'm remembering correctly. <br /><br />And then the prayer/chant is "Through him, with him and in him, through the unity of the holy spirit, forever and ever, Amen, Amen, Amen.<br /><br />Every one who has celebrated their first communion (usally 7 or 8 years old) and older lines up for communion.<br /><br />In other words they are also saying that the blood of christ is of importance and it's forever but the holy spirit is needed. And maybe the holy spirit is what brought the "dead" blood back to life that Ron Wyatt found ??<br /><br />Anyway that prayer is starting to take on meaning for me. I don't know if I'm remembering it perfectly ? Is their anyone who can help me out ?? It's probably in a Catholic prayer/mass book which I don't have anymore.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
Melody, you did clarify what I stated in my post. That is exactly the point: Jesus wants us to keep the spirit of the law through faith and not by our works as others have said. Jesus also made it known that now everyday should be as a "Sabbath Day" as we should know God and be grateful to Him for His creations and sending us Jesus as our salvation. But, much of your post is where Mjonmind's point comes in: much of the Bible including keeping Sabbath, was specifically directed at the Israelites; not us. God's New Covenant is ours to follow.<br /><br /> Souza, I respect your studies and I mysef have studied Sabbath and therefore have drawn my own conclusion. I am fully aware Saturday is the seventh day, but it doesn't matter anymore anyway. You do realize if we are to keep the Sabbath to be saved; we would also still have to sacrifice animals at an altar for Jehovah God aswell. We do not need to sacrifice anything because Jesus was that ultimate sacrifice. The reason why the *Israelites* (not us) had to obey the Law, was because they were God's chosen people and were delivered out of Egypt by HIM. The Mosaic/written Law also didn't allow for sins to be forgiven; under the New Covenant we are forgiven and the difference between then and now is again: because of Jesus' death we are able to be forgiven and ultimately saved. Another example of the Law ending for Christians is at Romans 10:4: "Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness." Remember, Sabbath keeping was apart of that Law. God used Christ to bring that Law to it's end. Our having a righteous stand with God depends on faith in Christ, not keeping Sabbath. Also see: Galatians 4:9-11; Ephesians 2:13-16; Col 2:13-16. <br /><br /> Now of course we are not to murder, steal, worship other gods etc., lol. This is where common sense comes in, along with what Jesus told us to do. If we are to "love our neighbor as ourself", we would not kill them; just as if we accept God and Jesus Christ as savior, we are not to worship false gods.
<br /> Melody, you did clarify what I stated in my post. That is exactly the point: Jesus wants us to keep the spirit of the law through faith and not by our works as others have said. Jesus also made it known that now everyday should be as a "Sabbath Day" as we should know God and be grateful to Him for His creations and sending us Jesus as our salvation. But, much of your post is where Mjonmind's point comes in: much of the Bible including the Mosaic Law, was directed at the Israelites; not us. God's New Covenant is ours to follow.<br /><br /> Souza, I respect your studies and I mysef have studied Sabbath and therefore have drawn my own conclusion. I am fully aware Saturday is the seventh day, but it doesn't matter anymore anyway. You do realize if we are to keep the Mosaic Law to be saved; we would also still have to sacrifice animals at an altar for Jehovah God aswell. We do not need to sacrifice anything because Jesus was that ultimate sacrifice. The reason why the *Israelites* (not us) had to obey the Law, was because they were God's chosen people and were delivered out of Egypt by HIM. The Mosaic Law also didn't allow for sins to be forgiven; under the New Covenant we are forgiven and the difference between then and now is again: because of Jesus' death we are able to be forgiven and ultimately saved. Another example of the Law ending for Christians is at Romans 10:4: "Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness." Remember, Sabbath keeping was apart of that Law. God used Christ to bring that Law to it's end. Our having a righteous stand with God depends on faith in Christ, not keeping Sabbath. Also see: Galatians 4:9-11; Ephesians 2:13-16; Col 2:13-16. <br /><br /> Now of course we are not to murder, steal, worship other gods etc., lol. This is where common sense comes in, along with what Jesus told us to do. If we are to "love our neighbor as ourself", we would not kill them; just as if we accept God and Jesus Christ as savior, we are not to worship false gods.<br />
<br /><br />You are mixing up the Mosaic law with God's perfect laws which have been around even before Moses was born; the TEN commandments. I never said the 600+ Jewish laws sill were in force, I am talking about God's perfect laws. But it's your own choice, all I can do is point out the errors in your interpretation of the scriptures. Can you answer the question why Jesus said people should pray the flight at the EOW was not on the Sabbath? Why would He bother about that?<br /><br />Anyway, I am writing down my study but it will take a few weeks to finish. I can send it to you when it's done if you're interested.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
You are partly correct, but the Mosaic Law IS used when referring to the Old Covenant, or Old Testament, including The Ten Commandments, but I edited my post anyway for clarification. The Ten Commandments were essentially a summation of the 600+ commandments contained in the Old Testament Law. The first four commandments deal with our relationship with God. The second six commandments deal with our relationship with one another. So there really isn't a difference between The Ten Commandments and the Old Testament, other than the fact that the Mosaic Law consisted of many more laws that all together could not give people salvation. Hence why we needed Jesus. It's quite clear that if you believe in the Bible, than you accept Jesus died for our salvation. If you don't and choose to obey the Old Covenant, than you are denying that Jesus died for us because he is the New Covenant to humanity. Again, that is the vast difference between why Christians do not keep the Sabbath and Jews do--it can't get any clearer. <br /><br /> As for him praying the EOW not fall on a Sabbath Day, he was speaking regarding the times he was living in. Back then, they observed Sabbath and on those days people were to make sacrifices to Jehovah God; thus, it would have been horrible for the EOW to occur during a Sabbath Day *in those times*.
The New Commandment<br /><br /> "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." <br /><br /> -John 13:34-35<br /><br />I think this new commandment summarizes all the others, in a way. From generations to generations there has been a confusion regarding the ten commandments "expiration date" when Christ died on the cross. Some say that we are living in a period of grace and the old law does not apply. Some dare to say that sin itself does not exist anymore. There are a lot of versions and interpretations that are passed on. I always have an opened mind about everything and pray to God for understanding of this things. The Bible is not that easy to understand.<br /><br />
Jesus didn't even keep the Sabbath! But why, if it is apparently the "Mark of the Beast" for those who don't?<br /><br />At the end of the day, whether or not Sabbath keeping is the "Mark of the Beast", is strictly dependant upon one's own beliefs.
<br /><br />Suzy7-I am trying hard to understand your thinking regarding the mark of the beast law. From your first comment as quoted above it seems to me like you have the impression that because Jesus didn't keep the sabbath, why should anyone do it. It seems to me like you think the mark of the beast law applys only to those who don't keep the sabbath. To understand what the mark of the beast law aka National Sunday Law is, it requires some study into it. There is so much more to the mark of the beast than just the Sabbath. The articles I posted in my earlier comments explained how it would happen and what the National Sunday Law is and it's connection to the Sabbath. As it is right now in most countries and especially in the USA people who attend church do it on sunday. You already said you have researched the true sabbath day which is saturday. As it is right now people are worshipping on the wrong day. They think they are worshipping the lord on his day aka sunday. That is the day for satan being worshipped because he was the one who deceived the world into thinking sunday was the day of worshipping god. <br /><br />The National Sunday Law if it goes into effect would be a law that would force everyone even athiest into going to church and worshipping on sunday the day for satan. There will be punishments for not going along with the law, for example the fact that we wouldn't be able to buy or sell, wouldn't be able to buy food, clothes, medicine, etc. So basically if I stand my ground and refuse to obey the law I will face punishments. The Sunday law would force people to bow down to satan. Therefore if people follow the law they will be worshipping satan and receive the mark of the beast. Below I have added some links to some websites that will hopefully explain the mark of the beast, end time signs, revelations, etc. you will defintely learn something new. I did. beerchug<br /><br />Disclaimer: I am in no way promoting anything nor am I forcing my opinion on anyone. I am providing evidence. I have studied the evidence TS posted and have furthered my study into other areas that were not in his post. Some of the stuff I found out about within the last few days are in scripture in revelation 20:4-6, there is alot of info on the internet and youtube regarding the scripture being fulfilled. Read the section I mentioned and I am sure you will be able to figure out what I am referring to. Also this post isn't just for Suzy7, it is for whoever reads it and gains some insight. Or not. lol fresse/<br /><br />http://www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com/page19.htm<br />
Revelation 14:9-11 ...'And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.'<br /><br />The World has a choice to make, obey God or follow Satan<br /><br />Now, the first clue we have to the mark of the beast is found in the above verses in Revelation 14, and the very next verse after them ... Revelation 14:12 ...'Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.' ... So why do the saints not receive the mark of the beast? Because they keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. So here we can see that it is to do with God's law and following in Jesus footsteps. Notice one important thing, it doesn't say that the saints have faith IN Jesus, but they keep the faith OF Jesus, ie. they follow Him. Many Christians believe that the law of God has been done away with. Well, God disagrees with them, because He says that the only way NOT to receive the mark of the beast is to keep His Law.<br /><br />Revelation 13:16 ...'And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.' ... So those who get the mark of the beast, have it in their hand or forehead. That's interesting, because there are another group of people who receive a mark in their foreheads ... Revelation 14:1 ...'And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.' ... So in Revelation 13:16, we have the one group of people with the mark of the beast, and then the very next verse in Revelation 14:1, we have the other group of people with God's Name written in their foreheads. These two groups of people are the one's at the end time before Jesus Christ returns at the second coming. They are the saved (with God's Name) and the lost (with the mark of the beast). But will there be two groups of people at the end, walking around with actual physical stamps on their heads or hands? Or are these 'spiritual' marks?<br /><br />The mark of the beast is to do with breaking God's Law and choosing to obey man over God. But is the mark of the beast specifically to do with the Sabbath Commandment? Take a look at one of the three angels messages ... Revelation 14:6-7 ...'And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.' ... This is the end time call to worship God who created heaven and earth. Look at the words that are being used, these are taken from the Sabbath Commandment ... Exodus 20:11 ...'For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.' ... This issue of the mark of the beast and the seal of God is all to do with worship. Will we choose to worship God who created the heavens and the earth, and who set a special day aside for us to spend with Him? Or will we choose to obey man, who changed the law of God, and say NO! Keep my day instead!<br /><br />PLEASE REMEMBER! In Revelation 14:12 it confirms that those who don't receive the mark of the beast, are the ones who are keeping the Commandments of God and follow in Jesus' footsteps. Those who accept the gospel message, follow Jesus Christ, obey God and keep His Commandments will not receive the mark of the beast.<br /><br />Now remember where the mark of the beast is? In the hand or forehead? ... Exodus 20:8 ...'Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.' ... Where do we remember? In our foreheads (minds) ... Exodus 20:9-10 ...'Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work.' ... With what do we work? Our hands. Do you see this important truth? Those who receive the mark of the beast will go against God and His law. The Sabbath Commandment specifically deals with who we worship. Will you obey God and keep His Commandment, or will you obey the Roman Catholic Church and keep her commands? <br /><br />So many people are waiting for a physical mark to come along, and are ignoring the Bible truth. If the mark of the beast was an actual physical mark, then it would be easy to spot. But take a look at the following verse ... Revelation 19:20 ...'And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.' ... Those who received the mark of the beast were DECEIVED! The whole point about being deceived is that you don't know you were deceived. So the true mark of the beast is going to involve subtle deception, just like the Sabbath to Sunday issue. Most of the Christian world keep Sunday as Sabbath thinking it's ok to change God's Law. This is the subtle deception that the Papal Church of Rome have brought in. Satan doesn't want you to obey God, he wants you to obey him, and through the Roman Catholic Church he is doing just that.<br /><br />The number of the beast is 666. What is God's number? ... Genesis 2:2-3 ...'And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.' ... 777!<br /><br />During the very end time, when the mark of the beast is enforced by law around the world, after each person has chosen to accept and obey God, or accept and obey the Roman Catholic Church. God will then look into the hearts of everyone and consider each person to either have His name (seal) in their foreheads or the mark of the beast. Those who don't believe in Rome's enforced law, but go along with it because of economic pressure (buying and selling, Rev. 13), they will receive the mark of the beast in their right hand. Who will you choose to obey and worship?<br />
Yambo3003, that's exactly it. All of the commandments were summed up in that final commandment. To love one another, is to not kill a person, steal from them, cheat on them etc. And having faith in God through Jesus Christ, is accepting the true God versus worshipping false idols. Very simple if you ask me .
hmmm....I was reading opinions last evening. <br />Some say the mark of the beast won't be something physical like a real mark on our right hand or the forehead, but it will be about accepting it in our souls. i don't know what to believe about it.<br />Anyway, it makes sense because if it is something material implanted under the skin for example - nobody will accept it because it would be obvious it is the mark of the beast the Bible talks about.<br />Maybe it already happened and we don't know about it.<br /><br />edit: now I see some say that not keeping the Sabbath but the Sunday is in fact accepting the mark of the beast. Some accept it on the forehead because they accept it out of conviction, some on the right hand because they accept it out of fear.
@ Suzy7<br /><br />Great posts! <br /><br />I want to add these scriptures when it comes to the new covenant:<br /><br />
<br />"I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." - Jeremiah 31:33b-34 <br /><br />"And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross." - Colossians 2:13,14<br /><br />"For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds. Then he adds: “Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.” And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary." - Hebrews 10:14-18 <br />
<br /><br />In the new covenant the law is fulfilled in Christ and written on our hearts (our God -given conscience). <br /><br />"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" - Rom 6:1-2
Correct Jono! And likewise, you've made great posts aswell. <br /><br /> Im_convinced, I'm sorry I didn't respond earlier, I didn't see your post until now. I'll try and add some more info to make this even clearer, although I think I've said quite a bit. No, I do not think not keeping the Sabbath is taking the Mark of the Beast at all; in fact almost the contrary. Christians are not required to keep the Sabbath according to the Bible. And whether or not it is the "Mark of the Beast" (I'll use abbreviation MOB) depends upon what you believe, simply because Jews keep the Sabbath and therefore it would be MOB, whereas Christians do not and therefore, it would not be the MOB. Also, I doubt atheists think anything is the MOB given they don't even believe in God. I think people should be cautious before accepting that a law like this will even be passed, much less tolerated. Until we see proof this will come into fruition, paranoia is unnecessary and unhelpful.<br /><br /> Yes we are living according to the Roman calendar, and thus Sunday is our day of "rest". This did originate from Pagan worship of the Sun, but since we are not required to keep Sabbath any day, especially Sunday, than no Christian is taking the MOB. You stated that the saints will be saved for they will not receive the mark if they have faith and follow God's commandments. Well, isn't that what I've been saying? We are to have faith and follow God's commandments of LOVE, see Jono's posts. This does not require keeping Sabbath, as that law was fulfilled and done away with. Jesus referred to the Jews as the "synagogue of Satan" for a reason; they chose to deny him and even killed him in order to stay bound by the Old Covenant. So although the fourth commandment commands the observing of the 7th day as a sabbath rest, it must be kept in mind that the Ten Commandments were part of the law given to the nation of Israel at Mount Sinai. This law covenant was a sign of *their* relationship with God in order to commemorate their deliverance, not to us. (Deut. 5:15; Ex. 31:16)
To add to my above post, that specific law of observing sabbath belonged to the nation of Israel and is of the past. Christians are not living in the past but are living for the future when Christ's 1,000-year reign, which was pictured (prophecied) by the sabbath, will bring rest and peace to obedient mankind. Instead of observing a weekly sabbath, they look forward to this great sabbath rest under the "Lord of the sabbath." (Matthew 12:8 )<br /> <br /> Also, Jesus' Jewish followers after Pentecost ceased the observance of days and seasons. So did the Gentiles who left behind pagan religions when they became Christians. They worshiped and served God everyday, not just one day a week. For them to observe one day a week as a sabbath would be turning back to the elementary things and becoming enslaved to them, as Paul points out at Galatians 4:9-10; Galatians 5:1.<br /><br /> And about Jesus praying about the EOW: I know some people may point to what he said at the verse Matthew 24:20, as proof that Christians would observe the sabbath. It should be borne in mind that Jesus was speaking to Jewish followers who were well aquainted with the great difficulty in trying to travel on the sabbath day because of their restrictions that kept Jews within 2,000 cubits of their cities on that day. It was Jesus' custom to illustrate his teachings with things which the people of his day were thoroughly familiar. In this instance he chose the great difficulty anyone of that time would have in trying to travel a great distance in Palestine during the winter or on the sabbath. Flight to safety should therefore be done before the time arrives when it is next to impossible. His advice was followed by Christians shortly before Jerusalem's destruction in A.D. 70. They did not stay in the city until the Roman armies under Titus had surrounded it, preventing anyone from fleeing, but they did before it was too late. Still, sabbath observance was not even being discussed here, much less proving Christians are obligated to observe sabbath in the future ages.
<br />MJonMind, I just read what you posted about the Coral Castle. Very Interesting, Thankyou for posting it. You know I love this kind of stuff. <br /><br />Also, all this talking about Jesus' blood and how it might have been on the arc reminds me of the Catholic church. During the communion ceremony they hold up the wine and say something like "Drink this for this is my blood" and then they hold up the wafers/bread and say "Eat this for this is my body" and then something about "everlasting life". They ring bells/chimes after the priest holds each thing up if I'm remembering correctly. <br /><br />And then the prayer/chant is "Through him, with him and in him, through the unity of the holy spirit, forever and ever, Amen, Amen, Amen.<br /><br />Every one who has celebrated their first communion (usally 7 or 8 years old) and older lines up for communion.<br /><br />In other words they are also saying that the blood of christ is of importance and it's forever but the holy spirit is needed. And maybe the holy spirit is what brought the "dead" blood back to life that Ron Wyatt found ??<br /><br />Anyway that prayer is starting to take on meaning for me. I don't know if I'm remembering it perfectly ? Is their anyone who can help me out ?? It's probably in a Catholic prayer/mass book which I don't have anymore.<br />
<br /><br />Hi Dontwalkaway, you remember it quite correctly!<br />The prayer you meant goes like this:<br /><br />Through Him and with Him and in Him<br /> Your name will be praised<br /> Lord God, almighty Father<br /> in the unity of the Holy Spirit<br /> here and now and forever.<br /> Amen.<br /><br />This is also said by the pastor during the ceremony of the table:<br /><br />TAKE AND EAT THIS, YOU ALL,<br />BECAUSE THIS IS MY BODY WHICH IS GIVEN FOR YOU<br />TAKE THIS BEAKER AND DRINK ALL OUT OF THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS THE BEAKER OF THE NEW EVERLASTING COVENANT<br />THIS IS MY BLOOD, WHICH IS SHED FOR YOU AND FOR ALL PEOPLE TO FORGIVENESS OF SINS<br />KEEP DOING THIS TO REMEMBER ME<br />
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