humm in light of this it might not be a bad thing to go back to tii and listen to all the little[size=14pt] testimonials[/size] from various people about how things were. :suspect:
At times, people who suffer from bipolar disorder sound "drunk" when they talk (not that Michael was, that idk, but This Is It "penguin dance" always made me wonder)<br /><br />Imo, if Michael was showing "weird" behavior patterns that day of the press conference, it could have been due to sadness as well.
<br />Yes, remember Jermaine saying the MJ in the wheelchair pic was MJ deliberately pulling the Willy Wonka trick--pretending to be injured with a cane, and at the last second somersaulting to the audience's cheers.<br />
<br />exactly MJonmind! MJ is the master of playing with media, we already know it and in the and of all of this I hope media will feel very uncomfortable..he will get them, finally! :ghsdf:
<br />Can I just say that even if all this is true, would you stop loving him?? <br /><br />I can only speak from my own experience here, but it all depends on the drug of choice as to whether you want to feel high or low...<br /><br />Alcohol can give you bad lows, but when you have to, it gives you more confidence and a feeling of invincibility.<br /><br />Alot of pain medication can give you a euphoric feeling even though they are supposed to make you feel drowsy and nobody would even notice unless you look into their pupils, which could remain dilated....Just my honest thoughts<br />
<br /><br />Of course I would not stop loving him even if there is a chance of any of this is true .But I can't imagine Michael drunk, not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time, having strong signs of paranoia, anxiety and obsessive-like behavior.This is too much, really ..is something really wrong here.This are lies.<br />
<br />I agree with you! If any of my friend would have mentioned problems, I would not stop loving him/her! we are all humans and anyone can fall sometimes..
The more deeper we go into the rabbit hole, the more I feel Michael has been playing the media like a deck of cards. <br /><br />They (media) will never know what hand they have been dealt with. !!! What a clever man.<br /><br />He can do whatever he wants and the paparazzi will buy it and fabricate it...<br /><br />I thought this was really cute<br /><br /> />
<br />Yes, remember Jermaine saying the MJ in the wheelchair pic was MJ deliberately pulling the Willy Wonka trick--pretending to be injured with a cane, and at the last second somersaulting to the audience's cheers.<br />
<br />exactly MJonmind! MJ is the master of playing with media, we already know it and in the and of all of this I hope media will feel very uncomfortable..he will get them, finally! :ghsdf:<br />
<br />At times, people who suffer from bipolar disorder sound "drunk" when they talk (not that Michael was, that idk, but This Is It "penguin dance" always made me wonder)<br /><br />Imo, if Michael was showing "weird" behavior patterns that day of the press conference, it could have been due to sadness as well.<br />
<br /><br />about that whole penguin dance thing. isn't there a part when doing that song where he sorta slaps the girl on the backside? i think he was basically just walking through that part. just a thought
@ everlastinglove THEY don't really care about Michael , all they care is the money... those leeches <br /><br />Agree totally.... :icon_mad: and Michael can't defend himself...( in this moment :icon_e_wink: ) :icon_evil: Bad peoples... Michael understood all .... :moonwalk_:
<br />@ everlastinglove THEY don't really care about Michael , all they care is the money... those leeches <br /><br />Agree totally.... :icon_mad: and Michael can't defend himself...( in this moment :icon_e_wink: ) :icon_evil: Bad peoples... Michael understood all .... :moonwalk_:<br />
<br /><br />Don´t you think he is in control? So no need to defend himself, right?
<br />At times, people who suffer from bipolar disorder sound "drunk" when they talk (not that Michael was, that idk, but This Is It "penguin dance" always made me wonder)<br /><br />Imo, if Michael was showing "weird" behavior patterns that day of the press conference, it could have been due to sadness as well.<br />
<br /><br />about that whole penguin dance thing. isn't there a part when doing that song where he sorta slaps the girl on the backside? i think he was basically just walking through that part. just a thought<br />
<br /><br />I have always thought the 'penguin' dance was THE oddest thing in This Is It. I just could not believe he put that ugly move into such a beautiful song. It was just :icon_eek:
<br />@ everlastinglove THEY don't really care about Michael , all they care is the money... those leeches <br /><br />Agree totally.... :icon_mad: and Michael can't defend himself...( in this moment :icon_e_wink: ) :icon_evil: Bad peoples... Michael understood all .... :moonwalk_:<br />
<br /><br />Don´t you think he is in control? So no need to defend himself, right?<br />
<br /><br /><br />You're right Mary, but I think he is a little bit, little little bit , angry.. wait for his answers... :icon_e_wink: :michael-jackson:<br /><br /><br /><br />
<br />At times, people who suffer from bipolar disorder sound "drunk" when they talk (not that Michael was, that idk, but This Is It "penguin dance" always made me wonder)<br /><br />Imo, if Michael was showing "weird" behavior patterns that day of the press conference, it could have been due to sadness as well.<br />
<br /><br />about that whole penguin dance thing. isn't there a part when doing that song where he sorta slaps the girl on the backside? i think he was basically just walking through that part. just a thought<br />
<br /><br />I loved that whole performance, especially at the end when he was backing off and telling her too follow him with those fingers. :thjajaja121: She looked so perplexed like What :icon_lol: I loved it even though I will too admit I thought it was the strangest thing.<br /><br />I have always thought the 'penguin' dance was THE oddest thing in This Is It. I just could not believe he put that ugly move into such a beautiful song. It was just :icon_eek:<br />
Within all this mess and all these "accusations" that make us think some people were not treating him like human being, lets not forget ourselves that he IS/WAS human.<br />Of course none of us where there to see if he was drunk, paranoid like, an emotional mess, or know what he's flaw as a human was, but he is human after all and none of those things are impossible. People drink and get drunk all the time, even the best of people have their sidetracks; let's not forget he was haunted and had many leaches around him all his life; it's not impossible either to get a bit paranoid with this life style. <br />He was so "painfully lonely" ( his words ,not mind) that he walked the streets to look for friends, he cried his eyes out in hotels from loneliness...etc etc..he said all these himself. If all this happened, is it hard to believe he could have emotional episodes that might make him seem like a "mess"?<br /><br />Just food for though..let's not forget he's human before anything else.
come to think of it , why is randy saying he is trying to get him out ,dressing him blah blah blah where the heck was thome wasn't he there ? wasn't he the manager? isn't this a managers place to manage your client?
MJ a mess.. Sounds to me like one of those good ol' red herrings that Mr J has been known to put out about himself...<br /><br />To LTJ 'Im scared for my life<br />To LMP 'I'm going to die like your father'<br />To Paps 'I'm going to be dead in 6 mths'<br /><br />A mere few examples amongst numerous instances.<br /><br />I think it was merely 'conditioning' people for the hoax that was to come. I don't even think we (hoaxers) should get mad and defensive about it.<br /><br /><br />But JMO<br /><br /><br />EDIT: I mean MJ either deliberately put out this perception around that time to promoters, or that he leaked this story to TMZ. Take your pic, they both work for me :icon_razz:
I have always thought the 'penguin' dance was THE oddest thing in This Is It. I just could not believe he put that ugly move into such a beautiful song. It was just
<br /><br /><br /> <br />Sorry off topic, but I found this comment on this Youtube video and it makes the most sense to me, because there’s NOTHING accidental on TII, IMO.<br /><br />
you guys are dumb!!!!<br />he was doin' something like Fred Astaire...<br />type in youtube: Fred Astaire + Michael Jackson - Smooth Criminal [short film] HQ<br />look at 3.16 till 3.20<br />this movie gave MJ idea's for Smooth Criminal as well...<br />Alfons Janssens 2 years ago
<br /><br /><br /><br />Right before MJ does it he sings, "Get me out into the nighttime, 4 walls won't hold me tonight". Could he be doing the Fred Astaire move from the original dance film titled "Band Wagon" where he enters "Den Bones Cafe" at :21 whilst holding a bone. Is MJ thinking about his own "dead" bones for the next day, and NOT being held by the 4 walls of TPTB and everyone's restrictions/controls (if this is on June 24)? <br /><br /><br /><br />Another off topic, but in the middle Smooth Criminal video at 6:21 Fred is dancing in front of a green door, which reminds me that the door of where MJ goes into after climbing out of the coroner’s van is also a green door, but maybe it’s just a coincidence. Yep…
@MjonMind: regarding the explanation of the penguin dance ^^ I am stunned! This is freakin' AWESOME!! and I am pretty sure it's the right explanation!! OMG! What an ingenious idea to render homage to Fred Astaire [which was "caught" by a fan, non-believer] and also use that particular sequence to suggest a moving skeleton/bones ---> meaning fake death!! [which was caught by a hoaxer!] ---> Once again we have the double/multiple meaning of Michael's death hoax! this is ART in the purest form! it can be interpreted and appreciated in so many different ways, by so many different people! ---> this is what gives it Immortality!!<br />I've always wondered what was all about Michael's strange (new) moves and hand gestures in This is It! It always looked as some codified body language to me...and I hoped we could one day decipher all that!<br />This is fascinating! imagine if we took them all one by one and try to understand the meaning behind!<br /><br />@MjonMind: you are an exquisite observer!! you caught that comment on YT and then made further hoax connections! just brilliant!
Awh shucks! Thanks Sim and Aussie! Now I can hardly wait to see the great pic collage you're going to put together, Sim! There's probably more to be discovered there. :bowdown::beerchug: Like O-bee rapped about codes we'd like to understand.
<br />At times, people who suffer from bipolar disorder sound "drunk" when they talk (not that Michael was, that idk, but This Is It "penguin dance" always made me wonder)<br /><br />Imo, if Michael was showing "weird" behavior patterns that day of the press conference, it could have been due to sadness as well.<br />
<br /><br />about that whole penguin dance thing. isn't there a part when doing that song where he sorta slaps the girl on the backside? i think he was basically just walking through that part. just a thought<br />
<br /><br />I have always thought the 'penguin' dance was THE oddest thing in This Is It. I just could not believe he put that ugly move into such a beautiful song. It was just :icon_eek:<br />
<br /><br />nuh....that's totally Michael, it's not an ugly move, it's just him doing what he feels like in that moment...really....
<br />At times, people who suffer from bipolar disorder sound "drunk" when they talk (not that Michael was, that idk, but This Is It "penguin dance" always made me wonder)<br /><br />Imo, if Michael was showing "weird" behavior patterns that day of the press conference, it could have been due to sadness as well.<br />
<br /><br />about that whole penguin dance thing. isn't there a part when doing that song where he sorta slaps the girl on the backside? i think he was basically just walking through that part. just a thought<br />
<br /><br />I have always thought the 'penguin' dance was THE oddest thing in This Is It. I just could not believe he put that ugly move into such a beautiful song. It was just :icon_eek:<br />
<br /><br />nuh....that's totally Michael, it's not an ugly move, it's just him doing what he feels like in that moment...really....<br />
<br /><br /><br />Agree with you and i'm pretty sure he was making this move to the sound guys about something he didn't find ok...
I have always thought the 'penguin' dance was THE oddest thing in This Is It. I just could not believe he put that ugly move into such a beautiful song. It was just
<br /><br /><br /> <br />Sorry off topic, but I found this comment on this Youtube video and it makes the most sense to me, because there’s NOTHING accidental on TII, IMO.<br /><br />
you guys are dumb!!!!<br />he was doin' something like Fred Astaire...<br />type in youtube: Fred Astaire + Michael Jackson - Smooth Criminal [short film] HQ<br />look at 3.16 till 3.20<br />this movie gave MJ idea's for Smooth Criminal as well...<br />Alfons Janssens 2 years ago
<br /><br /><br /><br />Right before MJ does it he sings, "Get me out into the nighttime, 4 walls won't hold me tonight". Could he be doing the Fred Astaire move from the original dance film titled "Band Wagon" where he enters "Den Bones Cafe" at :21 whilst holding a bone. Is MJ thinking about his own "dead" bones for the next day, and NOT being held by the 4 walls of TPTB and everyone's restrictions/controls (if this is on June 24)? <br /><br /><br /><br />Another off topic, but in the middle Smooth Criminal video at 6:21 Fred is dancing in front of a green door, which reminds me that the door of where MJ goes into after climbing out of the coroner’s van is also a green door, but maybe it’s just a coincidence. Yep…<br />
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"Get me out into the nighttime
<br /><br />And that night that had a lot movement of carts in Carolwood, he is was :icon_geek:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
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