<br /><br /> ... Michael has always given us clues and continue to do so and he knows how to find the right ways for this. ...<br /><br />
<br /><br />Could you elaborate a bit on this please Blankie?<br />
<br /><br /><br />I mean that through the media Michael has always given us clues, has taught us to recognize and understand these.<br />Are clues accurate and targeted directly to the destination....us !!<br /><br />When I hear about autopsies , the reactions of Katherine, the pain of a mom , I stop immediately to read....is gossip or at least , things not important for the hoax.<br /><br />But this is just my opinion :icon_razz:<br /><br /><br />
I am a believer. I always have been. The BS I referred to in my previous post, was regarding all the contradictions from the media and the family. When people tell one lie, they have to keep lying to cover for the first one. I recently read Latoyas book and yes to me, its BS in the last few chapters. But you gotta read between the lines to realize that some of the bs may be a clue. But most of it is common sense. The whole story regarding how MJ died, to me is a boatload of crap. that's what I was referring to. So my post wasn't contradictory
First of all thanks to everyone who understood what I was trying to say and backed me up! That's why I still like being here. I'm certainly not here to 'bash' anyone (which I don't think I did), I was just trying to tell you how I feel about all of this. Been here since the beginning so I know what I'm talking about. None of you has to share my opinion, I just don't want to see anybody getting hurt. Unless one would spend the rest of one's life waiting for Michael (like some are waiting for Elvis' return for 37 years now), it just can't hurt to view other scenario's, which I would like to do on this forum. What is the use of being here for many more years to come, when Michael already has decided to never come back (in case he is still alive). Were his clues just a 'goodbye' to us? Maybe we will never know. Like Curls said in a previous post: 'but in the end we know very little'. Again, I was pretty much convinced there was a hoax, but too much has happened since, which made me feel more and more uncertain that Michael was behind this and I began to read without my hoax glasses on. Please don't think this was easy for me, like I said, I would love to be wrong. <br /><br />Quote Curls:<br /><br />
Just because he's not back (yet, or ever) doesn't mean there's no hoax or that MJ isn't fully behind it. Difficult though it may be, we have to realise this is not about us and our assumptions, expectations and hopes. It's his life, (and 'death') and we can speculate all we want (as we have been for 5 long years) but in the end we know very little, because we're not in his brain!
<br /><br />Curls, I always admire your optimism, your politeness and I love to read your posts. I feel what we are doing here on this forum is ALL about our assumptions, expectations and hopes! It's been so for five long years! And it's ALL speculation on our part. What if we are wrong? We don't want to be wrong, we want Michael to be invincible, but if Karen's writing to Tookie was true, then it isn't strange to think something was seriouly wrong with him and the question then is: was it by his own doing (using too much medication) or was he slowly poisened, like was rumored back then? <br /><br />@Michaelslady: never did I discount the opinion as believers as nonsense, I was a hopeful believer myself. Like I said, been here since the beginning. If you want to believe, please believe. I just want to share my thoughts with others. And like Thriller said, what BS are you referring to? <br /><br />@Michaelslady: just read your last post. You are right, there were lots and lots of contradictions and lies. The family has a major part in it. But the family aren't saints in my view. I believe there was a lot going on, and jealousy was part of it. Is it possible that the family told lies as part of a deal, or to keep the moneytrain going? Just to watch it in a different light, hoaxy stuff suddenly has a different meaning.<br /><br />@Sweet, again, are you reading my posts anyway or are you just acting like this when you see my name? <br />'Other 'non-believer' members BASHING real 'believers' theories'......Really? I don't think I missed much of the believers theories, and like I said I believed in them too. What I voiced to you was that I just am afraid people are getting hurt because they are being fooled. If you feel otherwise that's okay. As a fellow member I asked you a few times if you could share why you believe 1000000000000%, but you never did that. Why?<br /><br />@Sweet: Just read you last post: Sweet, if you feel I attack you then I apologize, that isn't my intention AT ALL!! But I remember very well how upset and devastated you were a while ago (you know what I'm referring to). All I did every time was tryning to tell you to keep a certain dose of caution, only because I CARE about your well being! If you feel that was an attack, I'm sorry. And ofcourse you are still welcome here! Just wishing you could eleborate more why you are so convinced!<br /><br /><br /><br />
@Do, i like your post, just wanted to highlight this sentence of you,, it just can't hurt to view other scenario's, which I would like to do on this forum.<br /><br /> i do believe its important to continue the research about what happened that day(s) weeks months prior and after the 25th. imo it's great to read everyones perspectives. it enriched my fews on things.<br /><br />@ Curls thank u , how did you do that, my pc wouldn't allow it. :computer-losy-smiley:<br /><br />@ all of us,.... i hope we can continue debating. <br />
@Do, thanks for your last reply. It made a lot of sense. I can understand where you are coming from. Personally, I have never waited on a BAM. In my heart, I so want to believe and hope and pray that our MJ is ok and well. I just want to know that hes safe. For 4 years I sat back with a million thoughts going thru my head and I didn't know how to process them all. So im here. Hey it free therapy with like minded ladies :icon_razz:. Other thoughts have gone thru my head. I don't trust the Jacksons at all. I just don't. Maybe when MJ said "they are ALL trying to kill me by poisoning my food"; maybe he wasn't lying. maybe he truly believed that. Did he plan this years ago? I just know that he's no dummy. He's brilliant. But every thought has crossed my mind. Coma? Mental Hospital? Kidnapped? Murdered? Alive and smiling? Why no grief from family? Did he die after the trial and they waited to tell us and that's why theres no public grief from the family or the kids, because they grieved years ago? But at the end of the day, everyday, maybe he outsmarted them all. I'm a believer, I like to think that he did I just know that I miss him like crazy and love him endlessly. Endlessly. :'(
<br />I don't understand why people come to a HOAX site and are negative regarding the possibility of the hoax. If you don't believe in it that's fine, but don't come here to discount the opinions of Believers as nonsense. Don't say that Michael would never do this. You don't know what someone would do based on their circumstances. I think theres more to all of this than meets the eye. But please don't make it seem as if we are all delusional. None of what we have been told adds up. None of it. So no, im not buying the BS that we have been sold/told<br />
<br /><br />It's good to meet new people coming to this site and notice that others "non-believers" members are bashing real "believers" theories specially those who follow FRONT and believe 10000000000% that he is none but MJ.<br /><br />
<br /><br />Sweet, don't put non-believers in quotations, it makes sound it sound very harsh. A LOT of believers (very dedicated ones)have been silent for months now cause it's quite obvious there is nothing much left, and if there is that'd be a miracle! This is a time to just be spectators to all the craziness that goes around us. We dont know anything, sitting here in front of our PCs and reading news doesn't help us "know" stuff. <br /><br />And meanwhile if any of the old members do post some non-believerish stuff, it only means that you have to be 'there for them', not bash them outright. That's very rude given the fact that we have all been together in this journey for five years now. If someone is hopeless about the hoax, then stand up for them, if possible say some nice words or best of all keep silent.<br /><br />It's very sad to see fans not backing up each other. Plus, don't post about front here and whether he is MJ, this isn't the place.<br /><br />@michaelslady Do knows this is a hoax site, and I feel at this level some introspection doesn't hurt.<br />
<br /><br />Thriller I'm quoting non believers and believers the same way (why do you highlight that? that's lame in this case) and I did know that if someone that doesn't believe in Front talks about him it doesn't matter but if I or someone that believes in him talks about him then recriminations quickly arrive, I know I'm not welcome to this site anymore so I will leave and btw I'm not bashing anybody, is @DO the one that every time I post attacks me, why? IDK.<br />
<br /><br />Sweet, It's not lame as you put it, I was stressing more on non-believers because 1) you were directing your post to Do, and 2) It automatically suggests the others as real believers. I didn't feel the need to explain that separately as I felt you'd understand what I was trying to say. My post was very clear, if you are more hopeful, share it! <br />Any person who had supported front was requested not to and if there ever was a discussion about him it was only to bash him. No one said you are not welcome here. Do wasn't attacking you, please stop taking things personally.
<br />@Do, thanks for your last reply. It made a lot of sense. I can understand where you are coming from. Personally, I have never waited on a BAM. In my heart, I so want to believe and hope and pray that our MJ is ok and well. I just want to know that hes safe. For 4 years I sat back with a million thoughts going thru my head and I didn't know how to process them all. So im here. Hey it free therapy with like minded ladies :icon_razz:. Other thoughts have gone thru my head. I don't trust the Jacksons at all. I just don't. Maybe when MJ said "they are ALL trying to kill me by poisoning my food"; maybe he wasn't lying. maybe he truly believed that. Did he plan this years ago? I just know that he's no dummy. He's brilliant. But every thought has crossed my mind. Coma? Mental Hospital? Kidnapped? Murdered? Alive and smiling? Why no grief from family? Did he die after the trial and they waited to tell us and that's why theres no public grief from the family or the kids, because they grieved years ago? But at the end of the day, everyday, maybe he outsmarted them all. I'm a believer, I like to think that he did I just know that I miss him like crazy and love him endlessly. Endlessly. :'(<br />
<br /><br />Have you ever checked your inbox, michaelslady?
@Do, thanks for your kind words. I remain optimistic because anything is possible, and in my head, a death hoax still has more going for it than any other theory. But you're right, it is good/wise to view other scenarios and always try to disprove whatever it is we think we know. (See my comment to everyone below.)<br /><br />@Blankie, so ... can I put you on the spot and ask for a recent example of MJ giving 'a clue' to us via the media? <br /><br />@Shy, I right clicked on the picture, and copied 'image location' between the image brackets thingies [img][/img] that you get when you click 'insert image' on the preview page (next to the Youtube button). It just happened to work this time, but it doesn't always! I share your computer frustrations! :computer-losy-smiley:<br /><br />@everyone, we've strayed way off topic now - would it be a good idea to open a new thread, along the lines of the old 'how do you feel after 4 years' or 'why are you still here' ones? We clearly have a lot we want to say/get off our chests at this time!<br /><br />Or maybe it would be more constructive to use the 'revisiting old stuff' thread and actually tackle head-on some of our long held hoax 'evidence'.<br /><br />Above all let's make sure we stay civil and kind to each other. :bearhug:
<br /><br />@everyone, we've strayed way off topic now - would it be a good idea to open a new thread, along the lines of the old 'how do you feel after 4 years' or 'why are you still here' ones? We clearly have a lot we want to say/get off our chests at this time!<br /><br />Or maybe it would be more constructive to use the 'revisiting old stuff' thread and actually tackle head-on some of our long held hoax 'evidence'.<br /><br />Above let's make sure we stay civil and kind to each other. :bearhug:<br />
<br /><br />Yes, thank you curls....we should open a thread to talk about all the theories going on our head and discuss it one by one. Souza, is that okay?
<br /><br />@everyone, we've strayed way off topic now - would it be a good idea to open a new thread, along the lines of the old 'how do you feel after 4 years' or 'why are you still here' ones? We clearly have a lot we want to say/get off our chests at this time!<br /><br />Or maybe it would be more constructive to use the 'revisiting old stuff' thread and actually tackle head-on some of our long held hoax 'evidence'.<br /><br />Above let's make sure we stay civil and kind to each other. :bearhug:<br />
<br /><br />Yes, thank you curls....we should open a thread to talk about all the theories going on our head and discuss it one by one. Souza, is that okay?<br />
<br /><br />I think that is a good idea!<br />Personally i know were Do is comming from.<br /><br />I am not here for a return anymore, i want to know the truth one way or another!<br />To know who the leeches are ,and make sure to be here if we are needed for justice <br />Offcource i stil hope that MIchael is safe and alive.<br />I stil dont believe Michael died 25 june 2009.<br />But what did happen that day? And why all the strange things i saw..The differend Michaels etc..For what purpose?<br />We have Theories,but no real evidence in to the why.<br />I am affraid wen we turn our back to this,we fail him wen he finally wil call us for help.<br />But i wont be a lookalike Elvis fan.( :errrr:)<br />I was not a fan to begin with..I loved Michaels music but thats it.<br />I learned so much about the man wen i started investigating about him, wen my gut feeling told me there was something verry wrong from de O2 and his death. <br />Thats why i came here and i am stil here.<br /><br />@Sweet Nobody wants you to leave,i certainly dont want that! <br />But understand that not everybody is as sure about things as you are..and you cant make people believe.<br />You say you are a knower.<br />I dont know were you found the proof to be a knower,so i say i that i know nothing because i did not see it.<br />You believe in Front..I dont because i did not see any evidence that made me believe he is Michael..but i am in to every option and keep my eys open<br />But what we need is to :smiley_abuv: each others in our thoughts.<br />I like you al verry much and hate people leaving.<br /> :bearhug:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
I also do like that Curls, as far as i know, there is no Forum where it is open to discus whatever people think has happened and still is happening, it's always from a one way perspective, Believer or Non believer, it should be really awesome to continue to discus and debating about mutiple thoughts.<br /><br />@Mattie,ofcourse i am not sure of this but my feeling tells me that if MJ is alive (Wich i still sort of believe) he would not feel like we failed him to discus and talk about other possibillitys, The MJ i have read and saw for these past years has an open mind and want to read and see for himself, to make up his own mind at the end.<br /><br />Thereby, it's progressive te debate without trying to force our thoughts to others, i havent seen this for a very long time at other places, and i do believe MJ would be proud to see we can talk about the possibillitys with respect, because respect towards eachother is hard to find lately, to be clear i dont talk about this forum.<br /><br />Even people who display themselfs as MJ,are making fun of others, and treat them like shit when they dont say, what they want to hear. i still have to think about the words MJ spoke in this is it......it's all for L.O.V.E that word needs action not words only.<br /><br /><br /><br />
@suspiciousmind yes they weren't private before, but no problem i'm following her and i can see her tweets. If i find anything interesting, I'll post here right away.
<br />@suspiciousmind ; yes they weren't private before, but no problem i'm following her and i can see her tweets. If i find anything interesting, I'll post here right away.<br />
<br />well i have not seen this resent exchange that has caused the stir can you elaborate on that a bit?
<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />twitlonger is taking more time to load than usual....if it's possible i'll post more now, if not i'll do it tomorrow
@ Curls<br />Blankie, so ... can I put you on the spot and ask for a recent example of MJ giving 'a clue' to us via the media?<br /><br /><br />The title of a song of the last album" Love never felt so good" and Michael said in This Is It " Love is important". One way to continue with the speech begun 5 years ago.<br /><br />The hologram: he has given us new ideas to discuss , investigate, scrutinize as at the beginning and turn again the attention about him<br /><br />...the numerology always present...<br /><br />...Murray out of jail.....<br /><br />I have learned that nothing in this great adventure is coincidence, and Michael has no other way to communicate with us , and I think he have fun playing with us.... with L.O.V.E.<br /><br /><br />But, I repeat, this is just my opinion.. :icon_razz:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
@ thriller, can you please give me some more info about that tweet about Katherine not fewing MJ while death because of the JW believe, i happen to know a lot about JW's because i was reaised as one of JW, most of my family are JW's. And if i get that tweet right, it stated that Jw's are death relatives?<br />Am i right about that?<br /><br /> Because It's not a rule that Jw's wont'few death relatives.
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