lets go back to the beginning - well do we want to start a recap thread or something - if you agree start it and i will jump in .
just lets go back we are seasoned hoaxers now - have we forgotten anything, have we overlooked anything whilst discussing his gold pants or lips or hair (stop swooning girls)
we should be able to cut all the cr*p out and just get to it. what do you think and lets not get distracted on the doubles well not too much (their all yummy - want one for christmas but i have to be good as santa will give me coal) <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
i am even willing to discuss dd being mj - i want to look at the hands - if you know me you will know i hate that thread - i have the most crazy discussions about this - you see i dont agree but i just saw victors vid on another thread about the king coming back and i looked at the fingers are they two big eh -
Yes, we could do that. Or we could chat you and me. It feels like a re-cap thread would be the longest and most messy ever. I would really like to re-cap with you thou, feels like I need it aswell, eventhou i didn't loose as much hope as you did.
This sounds like a good idea, but I'm in "realistic" mode and will probably be shooting down everything. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I really hope everyone doesn't start putting emphasis on June 14th now. I don't believe it will be BAMSday. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> I am not even sure there WILL be a BAMSday. Although I often daydream about the BAMSday when he knocks on my door. (sorry but i'm selfish and don't want to share him - heehee)
But i don't believe this is going to be over any time soon... this is going to drag out. Look at how long it took just to get to the hearing and what was decided? Well, not fricken much!
I haven't fully lost hope, I feel MJ. And maybe it's because I feel him in my heart, in my blood, like faith in God. I know he's with us, I am just not sure in what FORM. You know what I mean?
It is all so maddening and my biggest fear is that unless we decide to give ourselves closure and accept him "no longer with us" (whatever you determine that to be), we will never heal!
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***big hugs to all of you beLIEver and non-BeLIEvers*** We are Michael's army - Let's be strong for him... for each other.
I'm sorry for those of you who are having a hard time at this time I love you all ok BIG BIG hugs chuu guys <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> !!! I am not losing faith at all whatever that was yesterday I can't even say it was court it did nothing to me. I love Michael surely enough but even tho it's hard on me I have to think about him to. I know it's MUCH worse for Michael than it is me. I believe he is alive and I stand strong because I have spent precious time on here ignoring some things in my life(gotta dust before my ma gets upset <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> ) just for Michael <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> !!! I have also taken in many cheap shots from family about me and him but it's all for the L.O.V.E of Mikey right <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ? We may see Katherine crying I posted I pic before <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> BUT I had a feeling it wasn't of her crying over his death BUT it was more of a worried cry. I know this is stressful on us plus the Jackson family but I still believe after all this is said and done Michael is still gonna have the last laugh <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P --> The King is returning to the building <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Sorry he had a HUGE set back around these few months <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> Keep the faith! He lives <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> !!! And is coming back stronger <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
The facts haven’t changed!! (facts = inconsistencies like the fake ambulance photo etc.)
Quite the contrary: They have multiplied.
I think people are losing hope because they don’t see an end, a light, a reason for all of this. Something logical, some logic explanation.
And why is this so? Because there is something fishy going on. Nothing added up at all. And I agree with Murray (guilty or not) THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.
What we need is patience.
Do you remember Marilyn?
Now we know the truth. After such a long time … she was murdered etc.
The truth will always prevail. It’s a question of time.
I think if hoax or not. In any case, you beLIEvers should stay! Because someone has to watch all this, someone has to do this for Mikey. If dead or not, hoax or not – something fishy is going on because all (family, Murray, Oxman etc.) are behaving very WEIRD!! There is nothing normal going on!!!!
And I think people are loosing hope because TIME is always an important aspect. TIME DEMORALIZES you and WEARS YOU DOWN – but never forget, guys:
The inconsistencies are still the same and they increase from day to day.
Murray is probably a murderer and he is on the BEACH! etc. enjoying life.
Until now, 1 year later, he hasn’t been charged with ANYTHING.
For me this is a big PROOF that something fishy is going on. This is NOT a normal criminal case, not a normal situation. And we all know that.
I don’t know the truth either. But I will read and search via google until I have a satisfactory answer! (I am not a hardcore MJ fan – only someone who cannot bear INJUSTICES but I always respected him very, very much and adored him for his humanity, sensuality and talent).
All the best to you and greetings from Germany!
Don’t give up – and don’t be too emotional about all this – try to keep an open mind.
If this case does go to court, expect Murray's defense to go after Mike's character, drug habits, and anything else to paint Mike in a negative light. That's what's going to need to happen for him to win the case. It's possible Mike's gonna get raked through the mud all over again..<!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Unfortunately for me, yesterday I Could not see anything, But reading the comments from people in the forum, and looking at What public TMZ, everything Seems really to show, Murray's comment on the rocking chair, That's Not The Behavior someone Who will stand trial for murder, I think the judge's name "Michael Shepherd" is very, .. I Do Not know, weird, quaint, Another coincidence .. well this is maybe my imagination, NOT it's crazy What the addiction to Coca Cola?, let alone of all the evidence we are Presenting the media and incriminating Murray, misapplied CPR stopped Attend to historical patient to hide the bottles of medicine, But Before talking on the phone, I want to go to the bathroom and at That time Michael gets up and injected the same, But Michael took a lot of Coca Cola, oh God That's What That Kill him .. and the ambulance, took so long to call 911.
Well, for me this is a great show. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
To me it was just part of the hoax. The disclosures made by the judge supposedly to make things clear, that it would not affect his judgement...seriously, it was really weird and it's the main info we got added to the fact that Murray is surprisingly still allowed to practice...I mean these information are important enough to make me think that there is definitely something wrong going on.
I also keep in mind that when Michael went to court he was innocent, the file was empty, there was nothing but it didn't prevent the trial to be and it didn't prevent the mass medias to be there to contribute to spread lies. What I mean is that even if there were journalists yesterday doesn't mean that it's true. It only shows me how easy is to deceive them and finally how they deceive us and it's the worst.
I keep the faith, there's too many evidences we cannot put them apart. I imagine that it must be harder for Michael, he is not "having fun" because I'm sure he knows what this hoax will induce. If it has to take more time I'll be patient. God bless you.
Unfortunately for me, yesterday I Could not see anything, But reading the comments from people in the forum, and looking at What public TMZ, everything Seems really to show, Murray's comment on the rocking chair, That's Not The Behavior someone Who will stand trial for murder, I think the judge's name "Michael Shepherd" is very, .. I Do Not know, weird, quaint, Another coincidence .. well this is maybe my imagination, NOT it's crazy What the addiction to Coca Cola?, let alone of all the evidence we are Presenting the media and incriminating Murray, misapplied CPR stopped Attend to historical patient to hide the bottles of medicine, But Before talking on the phone, I want to go to the bathroom and at That time Michael gets up and injected the same, But Michael took a lot of Coca Cola, oh God That's What That Kill him .. and the ambulance, took so long to call 911.
Well, for me this is a great show. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I second that. This is the greatest show on earth. Please don't think I'm heartless, but I'm thinking about all the other crazy coincidences and inconsistencies since that day in June and I can't throw in the towel. I'm not going to listen to my emotions and let them dictate to me instead of my rational God given logic and commonsense.
No matter how you are feeling at the moment, it will pass and the question mark will still be there. Don't give up. Keep the faith. Tomorrow is another day .
First of all, theank you for your support, it's nice to have this place where we can share opinions and comfort each other.
I still believe Mike faked his death because for sure, nothing works out in this story as it usually should. But what keeps me worried since yesterday is that i somehow suddenly analysed all those absurd things from a different point of view...which was not the case before. Whenever i used to see or feel that smth was not normal in that story, i thought right away: hoax. But now, when i think Mj might have been murdered by those "poeple", that the family keep refering to in interviews but never name ( maybe the Illuminati's? I know we had a thread about them somewhere), it suddenly makes sense that Murray walks free even though he killed him...just because he would be PROTECTED.
Also, as we all noticed, most of the absurd sides of the story started wth TMZ. But do we know TMZ enough to trust them? Many of you realized that they were checking on us and they are aware of our hoax thories. We supposed right from the start that they were together on this wth Michael, so whenever they come with a stupid story ( like yesterday wth the coca cola), we see it immediatly as an evidence that this is a hoax. But should we keep on trusting them?
Another thing: most of you think probably too that Michael faked his death to make a new generation movie ( thats what I believe)...But would such a moovie be so exciting? The project/idea yes, but I dont think much is happening, we're so into it that we have the feeling the whole world is concerned. They dont really talk about this case in the medias, in France, i havent read anywhere that yesterday was Murray's trial for example. He went twice to court in almost a year and walked free, ok, but is this enough to make a moovie? The beginning was very interesting cuz a lot was going on: memorial, funeral, dave dave...but then? Except for OUR speculations, what should be the material of a moovie that is taking so long to be made? The moovie theory seemed so obvious to me, but suddenly Im like ok, we all think its a great adventure and we are all actors part of it but come on, when you really think about it, in this scenario nothing happens. Nothing much that has a real echo to the world.
If he doesnt come back this summer, for me its over, I dont wanna be like those Elvis fans who are still waiting for him, thinking he s still hiding somewhere, no way. If Michael faked his death, he SHOULD be back soon otherwise it doesnt make sense at all. Let's pray and hope. I believe very string too that the truth always prevails. Let's just hope it won't take too long, its getting harder and harder to wait...
First of all, theank you for your support, it's nice to have this place where we can share opinions and comfort each other.
I still believe Mike faked his death because for sure, nothing works out in this story as it usually should. But what keeps me worried since yesterday is that i somehow suddenly analysed all those absurd things from a different point of view...which was not the case before. Whenever i used to see or feel that smth was not normal in that story, i thought right away: hoax. But now, when i think Mj might have been murdered by those "poeple", that the family keep refering to in interviews but never name ( maybe the Illuminati's? I know we had a thread about them somewhere), it suddenly makes sense that Murray walks free even though he killed him...just because he would be PROTECTED.
Also, as we all noticed, most of the absurd sides of the story started wth TMZ. But do we know TMZ enough to trust them? Many of you realized that they were checking on us and they are aware of our hoax thories. We supposed right from the start that they were together on this wth Michael, so whenever they come with a stupid story ( like yesterday wth the coca cola), we see it immediatly as an evidence that this is a hoax. But should we keep on trusting them?
Another thing: most of you think probably too that Michael faked his death to make a new generation movie ( thats what I believe)...But would such a moovie be so exciting? The project/idea yes, but I dont think much is happening, we're so into it that we have the feeling the whole world is concerned. They dont really talk about this case in the medias, in France, i havent read anywhere that yesterday was Murray's trial for example. He went twice to court in almost a year and walked free, ok, but is this enough to make a moovie? The beginning was very interesting cuz a lot was going on: memorial, funeral, dave dave...but then? Except for OUR speculations, what should be the material of a moovie that is taking so long to be made? The moovie theory seemed so obvious to me, but suddenly Im like ok, we all think its a great adventure and we are all actors part of it but come on, when you really think about it, in this scenario nothing happens. Nothing much that has a real echo to the world.
If he doesnt come back this summer, for me its over, I dont wanna be like those Elvis fans who are still waiting for him, thinking he s still hiding somewhere, no way. If Michael faked his death, he SHOULD be back soon otherwise it doesnt make sense at all. Let's pray and hope. I believe very string too that the truth always prevails. Let's just hope it won't take too long, its getting harder and harder to wait...
I also hope not want to end up mad, like a schizophrenic girl saying that Michael Jackson is alive.
The facts haven’t changed!! (facts = inconsistencies like the fake ambulance photo etc.)
Quite the contrary: They have multiplied.
I think people are losing hope because they don’t see an end, a light, a reason for all of this. Something logical, some logic explanation.
And why is this so? Because there is something fishy going on. Nothing added up at all. And I agree with Murray (guilty or not) THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.
What we need is patience.
Do you remember Marilyn?
Now we know the truth. After such a long time … she was murdered etc.
The truth will always prevail. It’s a question of time.
I think if hoax or not. In any case, you beLIEvers should stay! Because someone has to watch all this, someone has to do this for Mikey. If dead or not, hoax or not – something fishy is going on because all (family, Murray, Oxman etc.) are behaving very WEIRD!! There is nothing normal going on!!!!
And I think people are loosing hope because TIME is always an important aspect. TIME DEMORALIZES you and WEARS YOU DOWN – but never forget, guys:
The inconsistencies are still the same and they increase from day to day.
Murray is probably a murderer and he is on the BEACH! etc. enjoying life.
Until now, 1 year later, he hasn’t been charged with ANYTHING.
For me this is a big PROOF that something fishy is going on. This is NOT a normal criminal case, not a normal situation. And we all know that.
I don’t know the truth either. But I will read and search via google until I have a satisfactory answer! (I am not a hardcore MJ fan – only someone who cannot bear INJUSTICES but I always respected him very, very much and adored him for his humanity, sensuality and talent).
All the best to you and greetings from Germany!
Don’t give up – and don’t be too emotional about all this – try to keep an open mind.
Great post! I fully agree, there might not be a hoax death but that doesn't mean I'll give up on Michael. I think none of us will but I do understand that we all want some answers.
It makes it worst for me to see that...I mean, would he invite all the fans to write to Obama and the government to get justice for Michael Jackson if this was a hoax??? Gosh, i'm about to faint, seriously! I think i just need to be on distance for awhile coz this is getting too close to my heart, if Michael has died then it's clearly a MURDER to me and it would be extremly hard to accept. But ok let's stay positive, nothing is over yet, even if Murray is somehow protected i believe this trial will come to an end sooner or later wth a final decision and then I guess we will have our answers. Keep the faith guys...and thank you, hugz to you all:)
It makes it worst for me to see that...I mean, would he invite all the fans to write to Obama and the government to get justice for Michael Jackson if this was a hoax??? Gosh, i'm about to faint, seriously! I think i just need to be on distance for awhile coz this is getting too close to my heart, if Michael has died then it's clearly a MURDER to me and it would be extremly hard to accept. But ok let's stay positive, nothing is over yet, even if Murray is somehow protected i believe this trial will come to an end sooner or later wth a final decision and then I guess we will have our answers. Keep the faith guys...and thank you, hugz to you all:)
This is exactly what I have been trying to say for the past few weeks, and why. I don't think people from other countries in this forum realize just what's going on in the US right now as it relates to this case.
MJ_Facts, very good post, I believe That the death of Any person, be it Michael Jackson or whoever is a very SERIOUS and more SERIOUS trats When is a homicide.
And everything we've seen Since 25 June are a number of Illogical and Crazy Things, from the same day They are supposed to Michael died, Through the Memorial, I still remember the photos of La Toya and many guests smiling and taking pictures, as If That Were a great celebration, in the same way in the cemetery, all the big events Were the tears away.
Then the half coverage, Especially TMZ, crazy Things That many publishing (here I speak as if Michael Was Dead), I think it would be a great Lack of Respect .. I Have Not Heard Any member of the family protesting the Coverage Given this whole issue to TMZ.
Then Murray on the bench, the important thing here is to try to suspend the license of Doctor, death is in the background.
Look, if Michael is dead this would be a very SERIOUS matter by driving the Way They Are But Given all the inconsistencies and Coincidences That We Have Seen These over 9 months and 6 days, a spectacle more Seems this Than anything else <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Another thing that caught my attention of Judge Michael Pastor, are the major cases he has solved, a photo topless Cameron Diaz and Jason Priestley for driving "drunk", .. wow <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
It makes it worst for me to see that...I mean, would he invite all the fans to write to Obama and the government to get justice for Michael Jackson if this was a hoax??? Gosh, i'm about to faint, seriously! I think i just need to be on distance for awhile coz this is getting too close to my heart, if Michael has died then it's clearly a MURDER to me and it would be extremly hard to accept. But ok let's stay positive, nothing is over yet, even if Murray is somehow protected i believe this trial will come to an end sooner or later wth a final decision and then I guess we will have our answers. Keep the faith guys...and thank you, hugz to you all:)
This is exactly what I have been trying to say for the past few weeks, and why. I don't think people from other countries in this forum realize just what's going on in the US right now as it relates to this case.
Kingofmystery, I read your previous post and I totally agree with you, wether there's a hoax or not, this is about justice in a larger way. Injustice is one of the most horrible thing on earth. Still, i think it's very complicated for poeple who believe in a hoax to go and protest "justice for michael" when they're convinced Mike is alive or unsure if Mike really died. Just because it's always easier to protest when you are defending something when you are there with all your heart and soul. Im sure most of us are aware that this is about justice in general, and nobody likes injustice, I can't find my words and don't know how to express what i want to say but this is still about Michael, and the fans love him so much, as believers we have been watching what we think is a hoax for many months now, having fun, thinking it was a great and funny adventure...We are just not in that spirit of protesting, or maybe i just talk for myself...The whole story is just very distrurbing, even if it's a hoax im sure Michael wants to get us to that point when we need to protest to change the laws, emotionnally it's probably just too hard for many of us at the moment, hard to go and protest when u dont even know where u stand...Im sorry i hope u got me, i dont know how to express what i mean.
To me it was just part of the hoax. The disclosures made by the judge supposedly to make things clear, that it would not affect his judgement...seriously, it was really weird and it's the main info we got added to the fact that Murray is surprisingly still allowed to practice...I mean these information are important enough to make me think that there is definitely something wrong going on.
I also keep in mind that when Michael went to court he was innocent, the file was empty, there was nothing but it didn't prevent the trial to be and it didn't prevent the mass medias to be there to contribute to spread lies. What I mean is that even if there were journalists yesterday doesn't mean that it's true. It only shows me how easy is to deceive them and finally how they deceive us and it's the worst.
I keep the faith, there's too many evidences we cannot put them apart. I imagine that it must be harder for Michael, he is not "having fun" because I'm sure he knows what this hoax will induce. If it has to take more time I'll be patient. God bless you.
devils advocate here, surely this cannot be another judge in the hoax? x
but i do think it is whole remarkable that he has kept his licence
i think that would not happen in the UK, i dont know why - is it because CM does not have professional insurance/ do the insurance not cover this or has the limit been used up
is it because there is no legal aid or what ever it is called
To me it was just part of the hoax. The disclosures made by the judge supposedly to make things clear, that it would not affect his judgement...seriously, it was really weird and it's the main info we got added to the fact that Murray is surprisingly still allowed to practice...I mean these information are important enough to make me think that there is definitely something wrong going on.
I also keep in mind that when Michael went to court he was innocent, the file was empty, there was nothing but it didn't prevent the trial to be and it didn't prevent the mass medias to be there to contribute to spread lies. What I mean is that even if there were journalists yesterday doesn't mean that it's true. It only shows me how easy is to deceive them and finally how they deceive us and it's the worst.
I keep the faith, there's too many evidences we cannot put them apart. I imagine that it must be harder for Michael, he is not "having fun" because I'm sure he knows what this hoax will induce. If it has to take more time I'll be patient. God bless you.
THIS IS ALL VERY WEIRD , HE STILL HAS HIS LICENSE..VERY WEIRD.
devils advocate here, surely this cannot be another judge in the hoax? x
but i do think it is whole remarkable that he has kept his licence
i think that would not happen in the UK, i dont know why - is it because CM does not have professional insurance/ do the insurance not cover this or has the limit been used up
is it because there is no legal aid or what ever it is called
...as believers we have been watching what we think is a hoax for many months now, having fun, thinking it was a great and funny adventure...We are just not in that spirit of protesting, or maybe i just talk for myself...The whole story is just very distrurbing...
BabyShine,
I hear what you are saying. However, the misconception and error with your argument, and I am going to refer to part of your post, is that this was "just for fun." There is no way I believe this was ever for fun. If anyone thinks this was just for fun and games or an adventure, I worry about that. From all that I have been able to ascertain, is that that is plain and simple not in Michael's character to do something so selfish. He cares about people way too much. So we can conclude that he would only do something as drastic as fake his death unless he absolutely had to, or if to make a strong socio-political statement and had to "die" for it in order to be heard.
So knowing that there is some pretty heavy, important, and serious aspects to this, how can we justify our "inaction"? The facts are there. Michael spoke of alleged conspiracy and racism many, many times before. Burying our heads in the sand will not make that go away.
The next court date is 70 or 71 inclusive, so the clues are still there for the believers, but the death and court case need to look real or there will be fizzle instead of sizzle and no BAM!!!
I hear what you are saying. However, the misconception and error with your argument, and I am going to refer to part of your post, is that this was "just for fun." There is no way I believe this was ever for fun. If anyone thinks this was just for fun and games or an adventure, I worry about that. From all that I have been able to ascertain, is that that is plain and simple not in Michael's character to do something so selfish. He cares about people way too much. So we can conclude that he would only do something as drastic as fake his death unless he absolutely had to, or if to make a strong socio-political statement and had to "die" for it in order to be heard.
So knowing that there is some pretty heavy, important, and serious aspects to this, how can we justify our "inaction"? The facts are there. Michael spoke of alleged conspiracy and racism many, many times before. Burying our heads in the sand will not make that go away.[/quote]
Hey KoM...
You misunderstood me, of course I know this wouldn't be JUST for fun. I somehow totally FEEL Michael as an artist and as a human being and I know he would never do such a thing for his ego or the money or anything that would put HIM and only him ( or his art) in the center of all this. You can tell it's bigger than this, and to me one of the the proof is, when he "sent" his kids ond stage at the Grammys, the emphasis was put on Michael's message to the world. I am taking this message very seriously ( Earth dying,how we shouold change our behaviours to each other, how aware we should be that we're being manipulated by the medias on many levels etc= trying to make the world a better place), but the protesting thing about injustice in the US caused by laws is new to me, dont forget that before April 5th Murray went to court only once, I didn't feel like this trial was put in the center of this hoax but was maybe just a way to "extend" and "loose time" until Mike's return, and nobody was sure what Michael meant wth this case anyway, so I don't think it was clear for all of us (until now at least!) that we should all go to the States and protest for Justice...also, we're not all from the States and laws are not the same everywhere!
About the fun, I still believe a big side of the hoax is actually fun, it's fun finding clues (if we aint crazy and that those clues left are real), it's fun watching some situation or reading some absurd things surrounding all this... So yes its not JUST for fun, but there is still some fun there, however ur're right we shouldnt forget the serious part of it that has probably motivated MJ most
However, I still believe it's hard to go and protest when you dont evn know and understand what is really going with THIS case, I mean i just cant picture myself going to LA and screaming "justice for Michael, it not manslaughter but murder" if I think he is alive, it would sound like a joke to me you know what I mean? Im the kind of person who needs to have real convictions before doing smth...I know i know i know it's not just about when Mj will return, or if there's a hoax or not, but I feel like a fool, not knowing anymore what to think of all this, and in such a confusion state I just dont find the strengh in me to get to where Michael might wants to get us. Hope I wasnt too confusing <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
I never believed in the death of Michael Jackson!
I am convinced that we are in the "return process", we're going back to rejoin the proclamation of innocence in all of Dr. Murray because "there is no death and no murder."
Michael's intentions are clear and sharp, the postponement of the trial to June 14, 2010: June 14 points out of 5 years ago when MJ was acquitted from the charges!
And Dr. Murray may exercise the medical profession as usual....!!
The doses of propofol ... the Coke ....! It 'great screenplay! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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This sounds like a good idea, but I'm in "realistic" mode and will probably be shooting down everything. <!-- s
But i don't believe this is going to be over any time soon... this is going to drag out. Look at how long it took just to get to the hearing and what was decided? Well, not fricken much!
I haven't fully lost hope, I feel MJ. And maybe it's because I feel him in my heart, in my blood, like faith in God. I know he's with us, I am just not sure in what FORM. You know what I mean?
It is all so maddening and my biggest fear is that unless we decide to give ourselves closure and accept him "no longer with us" (whatever you determine that to be), we will never heal!
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***big hugs to all of you beLIEver and non-BeLIEvers*** We are Michael's army - Let's be strong for him... for each other.
The facts haven’t changed!! (facts = inconsistencies like the fake ambulance photo etc.)
Quite the contrary: They have multiplied.
I think people are losing hope because they don’t see an end, a light, a reason for all of this. Something logical, some logic explanation.
And why is this so? Because there is something fishy going on. Nothing added up at all. And I agree with Murray (guilty or not) THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.
What we need is patience.
Do you remember Marilyn?
Now we know the truth. After such a long time … she was murdered etc.
The truth will always prevail. It’s a question of time.
I think if hoax or not. In any case, you beLIEvers should stay! Because someone has to watch all this, someone has to do this for Mikey. If dead or not, hoax or not – something fishy is going on because all (family, Murray, Oxman etc.) are behaving very WEIRD!! There is nothing normal going on!!!!
And I think people are loosing hope because TIME is always an important aspect.
TIME DEMORALIZES you and WEARS YOU DOWN – but never forget, guys:
The inconsistencies are still the same and they increase from day to day.
Murray is probably a murderer and he is on the BEACH! etc. enjoying life.
Until now, 1 year later, he hasn’t been charged with ANYTHING.
For me this is a big PROOF that something fishy is going on. This is NOT a normal criminal case, not a normal situation. And we all know that.
I don’t know the truth either. But I will read and search via google until I have a satisfactory answer! (I am not a hardcore MJ fan – only someone who cannot bear INJUSTICES but I always respected him very, very much and adored him for his humanity, sensuality and talent).
All the best to you and greetings from Germany!
Don’t give up – and don’t be too emotional about all this – try to keep an open mind.
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I also keep in mind that when Michael went to court he was innocent, the file was empty, there was nothing but it didn't prevent the trial to be and it didn't prevent the mass medias to be there to contribute to spread lies. What I mean is that even if there were journalists yesterday doesn't mean that it's true. It only shows me how easy is to deceive them and finally how they deceive us and it's the worst.
I keep the faith, there's too many evidences we cannot put them apart. I imagine that it must be harder for Michael, he is not "having fun" because I'm sure he knows what this hoax will induce. If it has to take more time I'll be patient. God bless you.
I second that. This is the greatest show on earth. Please don't think I'm heartless, but I'm thinking about all the other crazy coincidences and inconsistencies since that day in June and I can't throw in the towel. I'm not going to listen to my emotions and let them dictate to me instead of my rational God given logic and commonsense.
No matter how you are feeling at the moment, it will pass and the question mark will still be there. Don't give up. Keep the faith. Tomorrow is another day .
I still believe Mike faked his death because for sure, nothing works out in this story as it usually should. But what keeps me worried since yesterday is that i somehow suddenly analysed all those absurd things from a different point of view...which was not the case before. Whenever i used to see or feel that smth was not normal in that story, i thought right away: hoax. But now, when i think Mj might have been murdered by those "poeple", that the family keep refering to in interviews but never name ( maybe the Illuminati's? I know we had a thread about them somewhere), it suddenly makes sense that Murray walks free even though he killed him...just because he would be PROTECTED.
Also, as we all noticed, most of the absurd sides of the story started wth TMZ. But do we know TMZ enough to trust them? Many of you realized that they were checking on us and they are aware of our hoax thories. We supposed right from the start that they were together on this wth Michael, so whenever they come with a stupid story ( like yesterday wth the coca cola), we see it immediatly as an evidence that this is a hoax. But should we keep on trusting them?
Another thing: most of you think probably too that Michael faked his death to make a new generation movie ( thats what I believe)...But would such a moovie be so exciting? The project/idea yes, but I dont think much is happening, we're so into it that we have the feeling the whole world is concerned. They dont really talk about this case in the medias, in France, i havent read anywhere that yesterday was Murray's trial for example. He went twice to court in almost a year and walked free, ok, but is this enough to make a moovie? The beginning was very interesting cuz a lot was going on: memorial, funeral, dave dave...but then? Except for OUR speculations, what should be the material of a moovie that is taking so long to be made? The moovie theory seemed so obvious to me, but suddenly Im like ok, we all think its a great adventure and we are all actors part of it but come on, when you really think about it, in this scenario nothing happens. Nothing much that has a real echo to the world.
If he doesnt come back this summer, for me its over, I dont wanna be like those Elvis fans who are still waiting for him, thinking he s still hiding somewhere, no way. If Michael faked his death, he SHOULD be back soon otherwise it doesnt make sense at all. Let's pray and hope. I believe very string too that the truth always prevails. Let's just hope it won't take too long, its getting harder and harder to wait...
I also hope not want to end up mad, like a schizophrenic girl saying that Michael Jackson is alive.
Great post! I fully agree, there might not be a hoax death but that doesn't mean I'll give up on Michael. I think none of us will but I do understand that we all want some answers.
Here is the speech made by Eddie Jones, Jr., the President of the Los Angeles Civil Rights Association (LACRA), yesterday at the Courthouse.
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This is exactly what I have been trying to say for the past few weeks, and why. I don't think people from other countries in this forum realize just what's going on in the US right now as it relates to this case.
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And everything we've seen Since 25 June are a number of Illogical and Crazy Things, from the same day They are supposed to Michael died, Through the Memorial, I still remember the photos of La Toya and many guests smiling and taking pictures, as If That Were a great celebration, in the same way in the cemetery, all the big events Were the tears away.
Then the half coverage, Especially TMZ, crazy Things That many publishing (here I speak as if Michael Was Dead), I think it would be a great Lack of Respect .. I Have Not Heard Any member of the family protesting the Coverage Given this whole issue to TMZ.
Then Murray on the bench, the important thing here is to try to suspend the license of Doctor, death is in the background.
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Kingofmystery, I read your previous post and I totally agree with you, wether there's a hoax or not, this is about justice in a larger way. Injustice is one of the most horrible thing on earth. Still, i think it's very complicated for poeple who believe in a hoax to go and protest "justice for michael" when they're convinced Mike is alive or unsure if Mike really died. Just because it's always easier to protest when you are defending something when you are there with all your heart and soul. Im sure most of us are aware that this is about justice in general, and nobody likes injustice, I can't find my words and don't know how to express what i want to say but this is still about Michael, and the fans love him so much, as believers we have been watching what we think is a hoax for many months now, having fun, thinking it was a great and funny adventure...We are just not in that spirit of protesting, or maybe i just talk for myself...The whole story is just very distrurbing, even if it's a hoax im sure Michael wants to get us to that point when we need to protest to change the laws, emotionnally it's probably just too hard for many of us at the moment, hard to go and protest when u dont even know where u stand...Im sorry i hope u got me, i dont know how to express what i mean.
devils advocate here, surely this cannot be another judge in the hoax? x
but i do think it is whole remarkable that he has kept his licence
i think that would not happen in the UK, i dont know why - is it because CM does not have professional insurance/ do the insurance not cover this or has the limit been used up
is it because there is no legal aid or what ever it is called
BabyShine,
I hear what you are saying. However, the misconception and error with your argument, and I am going to refer to part of your post, is that this was "just for fun." There is no way I believe this was ever for fun. If anyone thinks this was just for fun and games or an adventure, I worry about that. From all that I have been able to ascertain, is that that is plain and simple not in Michael's character to do something so selfish. He cares about people way too much. So we can conclude that he would only do something as drastic as fake his death unless he absolutely had to, or if to make a strong socio-political statement and had to "die" for it in order to be heard.
So knowing that there is some pretty heavy, important, and serious aspects to this, how can we justify our "inaction"? The facts are there. Michael spoke of alleged conspiracy and racism many, many times before. Burying our heads in the sand will not make that go away.
I hear what you are saying. However, the misconception and error with your argument, and I am going to refer to part of your post, is that this was "just for fun." There is no way I believe this was ever for fun. If anyone thinks this was just for fun and games or an adventure, I worry about that. From all that I have been able to ascertain, is that that is plain and simple not in Michael's character to do something so selfish. He cares about people way too much. So we can conclude that he would only do something as drastic as fake his death unless he absolutely had to, or if to make a strong socio-political statement and had to "die" for it in order to be heard.
So knowing that there is some pretty heavy, important, and serious aspects to this, how can we justify our "inaction"? The facts are there. Michael spoke of alleged conspiracy and racism many, many times before. Burying our heads in the sand will not make that go away.[/quote]
Hey KoM...
You misunderstood me, of course I know this wouldn't be JUST for fun. I somehow totally FEEL Michael as an artist and as a human being and I know he would never do such a thing for his ego or the money or anything that would put HIM and only him ( or his art) in the center of all this. You can tell it's bigger than this, and to me one of the the proof is, when he "sent" his kids ond stage at the Grammys, the emphasis was put on Michael's message to the world. I am taking this message very seriously ( Earth dying,how we shouold change our behaviours to each other, how aware we should be that we're being manipulated by the medias on many levels etc= trying to make the world a better place), but the protesting thing about injustice in the US caused by laws is new to me, dont forget that before April 5th Murray went to court only once, I didn't feel like this trial was put in the center of this hoax but was maybe just a way to "extend" and "loose time" until Mike's return, and nobody was sure what Michael meant wth this case anyway, so I don't think it was clear for all of us (until now at least!) that we should all go to the States and protest for Justice...also, we're not all from the States and laws are not the same everywhere!
About the fun, I still believe a big side of the hoax is actually fun, it's fun finding clues (if we aint crazy and that those clues left are real), it's fun watching some situation or reading some absurd things surrounding all this... So yes its not JUST for fun, but there is still some fun there, however ur're right we shouldnt forget the serious part of it that has probably motivated MJ most
However, I still believe it's hard to go and protest when you dont evn know and understand what is really going with THIS case, I mean i just cant picture myself going to LA and screaming "justice for Michael, it not manslaughter but murder" if I think he is alive, it would sound like a joke to me you know what I mean? Im the kind of person who needs to have real convictions before doing smth...I know i know i know it's not just about when Mj will return, or if there's a hoax or not, but I feel like a fool, not knowing anymore what to think of all this, and in such a confusion state I just dont find the strengh in me to get to where Michael might wants to get us. Hope I wasnt too confusing <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
I am convinced that we are in the "return process", we're going back to rejoin the proclamation of innocence in all of Dr. Murray because "there is no death and no murder."
Michael's intentions are clear and sharp, the postponement of the trial to June 14, 2010: June 14 points out of 5 years ago when MJ was acquitted from the charges!
And Dr. Murray may exercise the medical profession as usual....!!
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