About Murrays trial
Hello, I'm new on the forum and I want to start with explaining that I really am a beLIEver, but some things around this Murray-trial just do not add up for me. At least not with the theorys I've read around the hoax.
I have some questions regarding dr Murrays trial. As it is now he is charged with involuntary manslaughter, but the Jackson family claims that they want him to be charged with second degree murder. But they also claim that they know that there was a big conspiracy against Michael, and that they want everybody in the conspiracy to get convicted. They want "the truth to be prevailed." My questions are:
1. If dr. Murray will be convicted for involuntary manslaughter, doesn't that mean that Michaels chance to ever come back after this gets eliminated? (I mean everybody claims that it's not illegal to fake your death, and that no insurancemoney have been paid out and therefore this whole hoax is still legal. But if dr. Murray gets convicted for involuntary manslaughter on Michael Jackson, and no one that knows that he still is alive, nor MJ himself comes forward, isn't that comitting a huge crime on their part?)
2. If the family knows as much as they claim to do, why do they not go forward with those accusations to the police, so something can be done about the whole conspiracy? Why are they waiting for dr. Murray to hopefully come forward with that he wasn't alone and start namedropping? <!-- m -->http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/163153 ... hael.jhtml<!-- m -->
I'm struggling to see what would be the point with this whole hoax, with leaving this much clues behind for us beLIEvers if it just will end up with Michael not coming back. Which he sure can't do if people are in prison because they "killed him". Why just not make us believe that he really died then? Is it some bigger plan here? Do you think it will end up with Murray walking out as a free man and that everything just was a show?
I would be so happy to hear your thoughts about this. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
(Since I'm new, I don't know if it's ok to crosspost between different forums,
I already uploaded this in The Conrad Murray court case. Feel free do delete this
topic if it's not supposed to be here, in All odd things.)
I have some questions regarding dr Murrays trial. As it is now he is charged with involuntary manslaughter, but the Jackson family claims that they want him to be charged with second degree murder. But they also claim that they know that there was a big conspiracy against Michael, and that they want everybody in the conspiracy to get convicted. They want "the truth to be prevailed." My questions are:
1. If dr. Murray will be convicted for involuntary manslaughter, doesn't that mean that Michaels chance to ever come back after this gets eliminated? (I mean everybody claims that it's not illegal to fake your death, and that no insurancemoney have been paid out and therefore this whole hoax is still legal. But if dr. Murray gets convicted for involuntary manslaughter on Michael Jackson, and no one that knows that he still is alive, nor MJ himself comes forward, isn't that comitting a huge crime on their part?)
2. If the family knows as much as they claim to do, why do they not go forward with those accusations to the police, so something can be done about the whole conspiracy? Why are they waiting for dr. Murray to hopefully come forward with that he wasn't alone and start namedropping? <!-- m -->http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/163153 ... hael.jhtml<!-- m -->
I'm struggling to see what would be the point with this whole hoax, with leaving this much clues behind for us beLIEvers if it just will end up with Michael not coming back. Which he sure can't do if people are in prison because they "killed him". Why just not make us believe that he really died then? Is it some bigger plan here? Do you think it will end up with Murray walking out as a free man and that everything just was a show?
I would be so happy to hear your thoughts about this. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
(Since I'm new, I don't know if it's ok to crosspost between different forums,
I already uploaded this in The Conrad Murray court case. Feel free do delete this
topic if it's not supposed to be here, in All odd things.)
Comments
Also... i dont think Murray will be the only one made responsible. I think the LAPD and the DEA might have a lot of investigations under wraps and other people may find themselves being indicted... Dr Klein is one of the ones who might come a cropper.
Yes.. i think Murray going to jail may put an end to the hoax as it is hard to believe that a man would be convicted and sent to jail for NOT killing a man.
I don't believe Michael is dead, there are way to much pointing to the other direction, that he is alive.
But you mean that you wouldn't believe that Michael is alive if Murray gets convicted?
There couldn't be any other purpose with his conviction, if it happens?
This trial feels like a huge piece missing in the hoaxpuzzle. I just can't put it together. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
The jacksons should have told the LAPD a long time ago.....Whateva they know.....
BUT they didnt.....
It could also be that theyu've told them alkready........But the LAPD couldnt come up with sufficient evidenc against those "PEOPLE"?
But then, in that case the jacksons would not yell about those "PEOPLE" in public.....
Coz, why to alert those "PEOPLE" that you're gonna take on them? Wouldnt that be foolish...?
Sure agree about that part, telling the media isn't very clever.
But it wouldn't be the first time they don't make sense. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
But if we put the family and conspiracy aside for a while, and focus on Murray and what happens if he gets convicted. Am I right? Does it eliminate the possibility for Michael to ever come back?
I hope you mean convicted, not charged? <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
<!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> Ofcourse I understand that it's not for the family to decide. But they tell the media that it's what they want. I don't understand why they would want that, if Michael is alive. Why would they wanna persuit this? Why would they tell the media that they hope that Murray will go down hard, that it wasn't unvoluntary manslaughter, but second degree murder? Why would they say that there are more people in on this and that they won't give up before justice has been served? If this is a hoax, why just don't leave it alone and have it's own process? Why not hope that Murray would walk out a free man, so Michael can return anytime he feels like?
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The Comeback Tour That Never Happened With rumors of drug addictions swirling, Elvis' shows in early 1977 were a disaster. But a friend described a June 26 concert in Indianapolis as, "the best show he had given in a long time." Things were looking up, and he was scheduled to begin another tour on August 17. Except that he was found dead on his bathroom floor on August 16th. Michael Jackson was scheduled to kick off a string 50 shows at London's 02 Arena on July 13. He sold 750,000 tickets in a matter of hours. People said rehearsals were going well and that he was sounding and dancing better than he had in years. Except that he was found unconscious in his house on June 25th, and died after being rushed to the hospital.
Elvis cause of Death Initial reports said sudden cardiac arrhythmia, which the coroner confirmed before the autopsy was over. But rumors claimed that the true cause of death was drug use—those close to Elvis said he had a serious addiction to prescription meds, specifically Demerol. It was later confirmed that 14 drugs were in Elvis' system at the time of death.MJ- initial reports say cardiac arrest. But already rumors are swirling that drug use is the real culprit. Those close to Jackson are saying he was addicted to prescription meds, primarily morphine, and that they'd urged him to go to rehab. TMZ is reporting that Jackson may have ODed on Demerol. [TMz]
Fishy Doctor Elvis' personal physician, Dr. George Nichopoulous, wrote him more than 10,000 prescriptions for sedatives, amphetamines, and other narcotics. His license to practice medicine was suspended after Elvis' death. An unnamed doctor's car was towed from Jackson's house yesterday, and police say they will be searching it for evidence. They are currently searching for the missing doctor for questioning. [CNN]
Controversial Last Photo Elvis' cousin, Bobby Mann, was paid $18K to snap a photo of the King's body at the funeral. The photo ran on the cover of the National Enquirer and it was the best-selling issue of all time. A paparazzi snapped a close-up of paramedics trying to revive Jackson as they wheeled him on a stretcher to the ambulance. "Entertainment Tonight" shamelessly bought the pic and has been flashing it all over the place.
hes already been charged
The family has to make statements to the media about the guy who 'killed' their brother, otherwise they will be too suspicious. Because, if you believe the stories, MJ was healthy and doing fine and all of a sudden, Murray came along with his 'Insomnia treatment for Dummies' and BAM MJ is gone. So it is logical that the family is calling out about the murderer of MJ. They have to. And I think that is also the reason why they speak in riddles, about having information and what not. The world needs to be convinced that MJ is dead, so no one will look for him and they will leave him alone.
I don't think Murray will get convicted. Do you guys remember the way MJ was treated during the child molestation allegations? His property got raided, he got arrested, they treated him like shit. Dr. Murray? They searched his office way too late, he has been allowed to go to work... Now let me tell you, I don't know a lot about US law, but I ca't imagine that a suspect in a murder case (or involuntary manslaughter case) will be treated this way. I mean, the man still practices medicine! While one of his patients died because of the drugs he gave to him! Maybe he will get a fine or a slap on the wrist. "Bad Dr. Murray, don't do that again!"
If he does get convicted, I have two theories;
1. MJ isn't coming back, but will live the rest of his life in hiding and Murray is 'a victim' in all this.
2. Murray has been 'bought'. He's in debt. He needs money. For the right price, you can buy anyone. So for a couple of million dollars he will go to jail.
Long story short, it can go either way. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
This is what I know about ELvis since I have his autobiography. This I had bought it in 1984.. Wow 7 yrs after he supposedley passed away.. Here comes the 7 again <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Hihi, finally someone with a theory at least! I agree and disagree. I don't think that the family has to call out that it's murder. The majority do actually believe that he is dead, and have done that since the minute the news hit the media. We are a small group of people that beLIEve. I don't think that people would've thought it was weird if the family didn't call out murder. They just swallowed the news.
But I agree about that Murray probably not will be convicted. I also believe that Murray can have been bought for exactly this purpose. The time that this trial takes maybe is worth it to him, aspecially if he knows that he probably won't go to prison. And if the money is right. Because as you said, he was in debt. It will be so exciting to follow this trial. Thank you for your answer.
And thank you for starting this topic!
There are so many fishy things going on, during the trial I will be glued to my PC. If it ever comes to a trial, they could postpone to infinity.
But still, thanks for sharing, it can be a reference to Elvis death, ofcourse.
I will keep it in mind.