I think it is meant like this; When it was not mentioned in 2007 it means that either someone else was buried there at that time or the place indeed was never meant to be purchased as a grave.
Still, the option is open that they(FL) changed their minds when negotiating with the Jacksons.But even then it could be that the family hired it for a particular time,without having MJ there.So, whatever you believe in,there definately is more evidence to me he is not there. Apart from the fact that I believe in Michael being alive, but of course everything is still under investigation... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> I give it all the benefit for the doubt and in case of a hoax the believe in a serious reason for MJ to do so
After the ceremony, I was told by eyewitnesses that once the funeral was over -- which was a loving celebration of Michael's life -- no one from his family opted to watch his casket be entombed. (This is not an unusual practice.) Forest Lawn personnel handled the sacred, solemn task with dignified professional aplomb, sealing Michael and his gold casket into an elaborate marble sarcophagus some time after approximately 9 p.m.
Based on insider descriptions of the immediate area, my best guess -- and this is ONLY an educated grave hunter's guess, not an officially confirmed fact -- is that Michael now rests on the main floor of the terrace, at the end of a sanctuary hallway with cathedral ceilings, under three stained-glass windows which are a re-creation of Nicola D'Ascenzo's "The Ascension."
Was this EVER officially confirmed, or did the media take Lisa Burks' words 'for granted' and ran with them..? Knowing that Mike didn't die it looks like a very convenient rumor...
If you go to this link and scroll down, there are more photos taken of Forest Lawn by this same photographer. They give you some idea of how the various tombs are identified.
Could this be another model-tomb at Forest Lawn? <!-- m -->http://www.life.com/image/92933910<!-- m -->
I think most likely it is no real grave due to its place and it shows some similarities to Michael's tomb.
I found a link to a larger photo of this tomb. It looks like it has a name on it, on the little plaque in the middle at the bottom near the vase with one flower in it. I was hoping it was just a "model-tomb".
Thank you, pepper, now I can see that this tomb is indeed occupied and is identified by an inscription. However, it is interesting to see that this inscription is placed on the bottom. As you have said, there are different ways to mark a grave, but at Michael's alleged tomb we can neither see an inscription on the front side nor at the bottom. It is constantly covered with flowers, even at the one year memorial, but I think this would be the day to reveal an inscription at least. This way it stays to be a "Place With No Name".
There is another point I don't know what to think about. Maybe somebody knows?: Have we ever seen the amphoras filled with flowers? Sunflowers maybe? Have they ever been used in the way they are used in this picture?
If you go to this link and scroll down, there are more photos taken of Forest Lawn by this same photographer. They give you some idea of how the various tombs are identified.
Could this be another model-tomb at Forest Lawn? <!-- m -->http://www.life.com/image/92933910<!-- m -->
I think most likely it is no real grave due to its place and it shows some similarities to Michael's tomb.
I found a link to a larger photo of this tomb. It looks like it has a name on it, on the little plaque in the middle at the bottom near the vase with one flower in it. I was hoping it was just a "model-tomb".
Thank you, pepper, now I can see that this tomb is indeed occupied and is identified by an inscription. However, it is interesting to see that this inscription is placed on the bottom. As you have said, there are different ways to mark a grave, but at Michael's alleged tomb we can neither see an inscription on the front side nor at the bottom. It is constantly covered with flowers, even at the one year memorial, but I think this would be the day to reveal an inscription at least. This way it stays to be a "Place With No Name".
There is another point I don't know what to think about. Maybe somebody knows?: Have we ever seen the amphoras filled with flowers? Sunflowers maybe? Have they ever been used in the way they are used in this picture?
Thank you, now I see. But judging from the picture, it were the fans with their sunflowers who filled the amphoras first, not the family and also nobody from FL (maybe geeting paid for taking care for this place). Seems that the family did not take so much interest in this place..
And there is the frame with sunflowers again! Was there a meaning behind this?
searching for this toppic I found an "Van Gogh" effect 1. on photoshop <!-- m -->http://www.photoshopsupport.com/tutoria ... ffect.html<!-- m --> and 2.
in a psychologic context in a blog from 2007 speaking about the correlation of mental illness, drugs and creativity <!-- m -->http://irasciblepoet.blogspot.com/2007/ ... ffect.html<!-- m -->
MAybe this was discussed yet?
If you go to this link and scroll down, there are more photos taken of Forest Lawn by this same photographer. They give you some idea of how the various tombs are identified.
Could this be another model-tomb at Forest Lawn? <!-- m -->http://www.life.com/image/92933910<!-- m -->
I think most likely it is no real grave due to its place and it shows some similarities to Michael's tomb.
I found a link to a larger photo of this tomb. It looks like it has a name on it, on the little plaque in the middle at the bottom near the vase with one flower in it. I was hoping it was just a "model-tomb".
Thank you, pepper, now I can see that this tomb is indeed occupied and is identified by an inscription. However, it is interesting to see that this inscription is placed on the bottom. As you have said, there are different ways to mark a grave, but at Michael's alleged tomb we can neither see an inscription on the front side nor at the bottom. It is constantly covered with flowers, even at the one year memorial, but I think this would be the day to reveal an inscription at least. This way it stays to be a "Place With No Name".
There is another point I don't know what to think about. Maybe somebody knows?: Have we ever seen the amphoras filled with flowers? Sunflowers maybe? Have they ever been used in the way they are used in this picture?
I probably need more coffee.....
but the black and white picture that is shown....that's not the same tomb, correct? The top is different, there is a plaque of some sort at the bottom....it looks off for some reason.
Coffee please..... <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Thanks Mo, for Lisa de Burks article,many questions are being answered here I guess;
I copied a particular part of the article, where she says "possibly";
No public photos have been released of this stunningly gorgeous location since Michael was possibly entombed there less than 24 hours ago. But a quick look through my Forest Lawn archival materials produced this promotional image, released by Forest Lawn in 1952, showing a final resting place that is truly fit for a king:
Word has it that the price tag, which also includes an unspecified number of nearby crypts reserved for other family members, is in the neighborhood of $600,000.
This sarcophagus was one of the last (and possibly the last) remaining interment type of its kind on Holly Terrace or within the entire mausoleum itself. It has remained largely unchanged since it was constructed 50 years ago. I saw it in person about a year ago. The photo does not do it justice. It's breathtaking.
At that time it was also notable because it remained seemingly unoccupied, sans any engraved names, dates or epitaphs.
The only difference I noticed from the original photo was the addition of a marble and brass waist-high gate in front of the steps, which partitions it off from the rest of the hallway. Update: the partition was always there per other vintage photos I've seen. The photo above was taken from inside the gate.
So why was it not mentioned in the 2007 list? Any idea Mo?
I probably need more coffee.....
but the black and white picture that is shown....that's not the same tomb, correct? The top is different, there is a plaque of some sort at the bottom....it looks off for some reason.
Coffee please..... <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Have a great day!
no, it'S not the same tomb. it is another tomb at FL and we discussed some similarities to Michael's "tomb" and if it is occupied or not, see posts above... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Thanks Mo, for Lisa de Burks article,many questions are being answered here I guess;
I copied a particular part of the article, where she says "possibly";
No public photos have been released of this stunningly gorgeous location since Michael was possibly entombed there less than 24 hours ago. But a quick look through my Forest Lawn archival materials produced this promotional image, released by Forest Lawn in 1952, showing a final resting place that is truly fit for a king:
Word has it that the price tag, which also includes an unspecified number of nearby crypts reserved for other family members, is in the neighborhood of $600,000.
This sarcophagus was one of the last (and possibly the last) remaining interment type of its kind on Holly Terrace or within the entire mausoleum itself. It has remained largely unchanged since it was constructed 50 years ago. I saw it in person about a year ago. The photo does not do it justice. It's breathtaking.
At that time it was also notable because it remained seemingly unoccupied, sans any engraved names, dates or epitaphs.
The only difference I noticed from the original photo was the addition of a marble and brass waist-high gate in front of the steps, which partitions it off from the rest of the hallway. Update: the partition was always there per other vintage photos I've seen. The photo above was taken from inside the gate.
So why was it not mentioned in the 2007 list? Any idea Mo?
I have a gut feeling that this sarcophagus is not a sarcophagus, but a solid piece of marble, which would mean that nothing can be entombed in it. If this is indeed the case, then this sarcophagus is not a burial plot and it would never have been available as such That would explain why it's not listed in the 2007 list of available plots.
For weeks I have been trying to locate the name of the person who made this piece of marble, but with no luck so far. A couple of hours ago I sent Lisa Burks an email, asking her if she knows the name of the creator or a way to find out who made it. I'm determent to find more information about this sarcophagus, piece of marble, or whatever it is.
That's right, I also have the same feeling
That indeed looks like a solid piece of marble small enough not to be used for entombing..How could that coffin fit in? And how do you open that sarcophagus? It seems it's sealed and always been like that
@Mo, I have this picture in my head since a few days; how to cope with a marble plate like that in order to get a sarco in that place.There are 3 "frames" on top,so would that mean that 3 bodies can take place there? Maybe there is a very clever mechanism at the frontside with a marble frontplate to take away, in order to slide a sarco in.
I know from the old cathedrals that royal people were often buried in such places IN the cathedral and that is what it reminds me of.
Still, the main question remains;IS this a burialplace or not,was it EVER meant to be a place to bury someone or not?
For a moment I remembered a recent interview with Jermaine; he stated that MJ was very,very strong. Once, a marble table needed to be moved in the house and nobody was able to do it,not even Jermaine. But Michael did it, he did it with his imagination(or something similar,he "pictured" the movement first).I don`t remember which interview that was and it probably does not have any relevance in this case...I guess.
@Mo, I have this picture in my head since a few days; how to cope with a marble plate like that in order to get a sarco in that place.There are 3 "frames" on top,so would that mean that 3 bodies can take place there? Maybe there is a very clever mechanism at the frontside with a marble frontplate to take away, in order to slide a sarco in.
I know from the old cathedrals that royal people were often buried in such places IN the cathedral and that is what it reminds me of.
Still, the main question remains;IS this a burialplace or not,was it EVER meant to be a place to bury someone or not?
For a moment I remembered a recent interview with Jermaine; he stated that MJ was very,very strong. Once, a marble table needed to be moved in the house and nobody was able to do it,not even Jermaine. But Michael did it, he did it with his imagination(or something similar,he "pictured" the movement first).I don`t remember which interview that was and it probably does not have any relevance in this case...I guess.
I've heard something similar... Michael once was fallen down to the ground in a crowd. It was a threatening situation, because so many people crowded around him and his bodyguards could'nt reach him. But then after a moment of concentration, he should have run at breakneck speed through this crowd. He helped himself by spiritual power (or something like this...). I know that the Topic doesn't belong here, I just wanted to confirm that there are similar reports about Michael...
A wide selection of interment property is available. In addition to ground property, we offer single and companion lawn crypts and wall crypts, ground property for cremated remains, niches, and distinguished family memorials.
Prices, availability, and specifications subject to change without notice.
At Forest Lawn, we provide many options for memorial properties.
Sarcophagus
A sarcophagus is a stand-alone, above ground structure made of concrete with marble or granite facing. We offer a variety of sarcophagi, usually adaptable for eight interments. While the main portion of the sarcophagus is visible above ground, only one interment is above ground level; the remaining interments are in a large concrete structure below ground.
"After months of speculation, there is some evidence confirming the final burial location of Michael Jackson -- inside a marble sarcophagus beneath the Ascension Windows in the Holly Terrace, inside the Great Mausoleum at Forest Lawn Glendale.
Fellow gravehunter Lisa Burks reported on her great "Adventures in Grave Hunting" blog that fans who recently brought flowers and cards for Jackson gave them to a guard at the Great Mausoleum, and then watched through a window of the Holly Terrace door as the guard walked to the end of the hallway and placed the items in front of this sarcophagus. The fans reported that "the small room at the end of the hallway is covered with flowers and balloons."
The fans also reported that they took photos and video through the window. "The guards were very friendly and they didn't try to make us erase the film," they said.
Also, TMZ is reporting that security at the Great Mausoleum has been "scaled back." TMZ reported that Forest Lawn hired a private security firm to protect Jackson's grave, but that the additional security has been removed. Still, the Great Mausoleum is closed to the public, except for a small area near the Last Supper stained-glass window, all doors are locked, and all areas of the mausoleum are under the watchful eyes of security cameras. TMZ also reports that cemetery staff says "there hasn't been a single suspicious incident since Jackson moved into the neighborhood."
Is this absolute proof that Jackson is buried there? No, not really. Not until someone sees his brass nameplace on the sarcophagus. It's possible that Forest Lawn is just putting the cards and flowers and balloons there either to throw fans off the track, or just because they don't have any other place to put them. But I'd say it's pretty good evidence that he's buried there.
I'm glad to hear that Forest Lawn is loosening their security grip, and I'm also glad to hear that there haven't been any security problems. Maybe they're finally realizing that the vast majority of fans just want to visit, leave flowers and cards, and pay their respects to someone they admire and who was an important part of their lives."
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That typo where it says "nameplace" instead of "nameplate" is on the actual blog. Interesting, don't you think? Place with no name, nameplace...
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The blog also has several other posts about the "marking" of the graves of Brittany Murphy, David Carradine, Farrah Fawcett, and others...
To me, the question is now solved; there are such sarcophages and so they will have a way to handle the entombing. Plus, the 2007 catalogue is not enough proof to me because it is not sure that ALL open places were offered by that institution.
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Still, the option is open that they(FL) changed their minds when negotiating with the Jacksons.But even then it could be that the family hired it for a particular time,without having MJ there.So, whatever you believe in,there definately is more evidence to me he is not there. Apart from the fact that I believe in Michael being alive, but of course everything is still under investigation... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> I give it all the benefit for the doubt and in case of a hoax the believe in a serious reason for MJ to do so
<!-- m -->http://floridacemplots.com/content/view ... ?state=278<!-- m -->
No matter which area you click on, it always says 2007
Hope this helps!
From Lisa Burks' website:
Was this EVER officially confirmed, or did the media take Lisa Burks' words 'for granted' and ran with them..? Knowing that Mike didn't die it looks like a very convenient rumor...
Thank you, pepper, now I can see that this tomb is indeed occupied and is identified by an inscription. However, it is interesting to see that this inscription is placed on the bottom. As you have said, there are different ways to mark a grave, but at Michael's alleged tomb we can neither see an inscription on the front side nor at the bottom. It is constantly covered with flowers, even at the one year memorial, but I think this would be the day to reveal an inscription at least. This way it stays to be a "Place With No Name".
There is another point I don't know what to think about. Maybe somebody knows?: Have we ever seen the amphoras filled with flowers? Sunflowers maybe? Have they ever been used in the way they are used in this picture?
Amphoras with sunflowers
No inscription
I wonder where all these pics come from, if access to Holly Terrace is limited..?
Thank you, now I see. But judging from the picture, it were the fans with their sunflowers who filled the amphoras first, not the family and also nobody from FL (maybe geeting paid for taking care for this place). Seems that the family did not take so much interest in this place..
And there is the frame with sunflowers again! Was there a meaning behind this?
searching for this toppic I found an "Van Gogh" effect 1. on photoshop <!-- m -->http://www.photoshopsupport.com/tutoria ... ffect.html<!-- m --> and 2.
in a psychologic context in a blog from 2007 speaking about the correlation of mental illness, drugs and creativity <!-- m -->http://irasciblepoet.blogspot.com/2007/ ... ffect.html<!-- m -->
MAybe this was discussed yet?
I probably need more coffee.....
but the black and white picture that is shown....that's not the same tomb, correct? The top is different, there is a plaque of some sort at the bottom....it looks off for some reason.
Coffee please..... <!-- s
Have a great day!
I copied a particular part of the article, where she says "possibly";
No public photos have been released of this stunningly gorgeous location since Michael was possibly entombed there less than 24 hours ago. But a quick look through my Forest Lawn archival materials produced this promotional image, released by Forest Lawn in 1952, showing a final resting place that is truly fit for a king:
Ascension Window Sarcophagus promotional photo
(© 1952 Forest Lawn Memorial-Park Association)
Word has it that the price tag, which also includes an unspecified number of nearby crypts reserved for other family members, is in the neighborhood of $600,000.
This sarcophagus was one of the last (and possibly the last) remaining interment type of its kind on Holly Terrace or within the entire mausoleum itself. It has remained largely unchanged since it was constructed 50 years ago. I saw it in person about a year ago. The photo does not do it justice. It's breathtaking.
At that time it was also notable because it remained seemingly unoccupied, sans any engraved names, dates or epitaphs.
The only difference I noticed from the original photo was the addition of a marble and brass waist-high gate in front of the steps, which partitions it off from the rest of the hallway. Update: the partition was always there per other vintage photos I've seen. The photo above was taken from inside the gate.
So why was it not mentioned in the 2007 list? Any idea Mo?
no, it'S not the same tomb. it is another tomb at FL and we discussed some similarities to Michael's "tomb" and if it is occupied or not, see posts above... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I have a gut feeling that this sarcophagus is not a sarcophagus, but a solid piece of marble, which would mean that nothing can be entombed in it. If this is indeed the case, then this sarcophagus is not a burial plot and it would never have been available as such That would explain why it's not listed in the 2007 list of available plots.
For weeks I have been trying to locate the name of the person who made this piece of marble, but with no luck so far. A couple of hours ago I sent Lisa Burks an email, asking her if she knows the name of the creator or a way to find out who made it. I'm determent to find more information about this sarcophagus, piece of marble, or whatever it is.
That's right, I also have the same feeling
That indeed looks like a solid piece of marble small enough not to be used for entombing..How could that coffin fit in? And how do you open that sarcophagus? It seems it's sealed and always been like that
I know from the old cathedrals that royal people were often buried in such places IN the cathedral and that is what it reminds me of.
Still, the main question remains;IS this a burialplace or not,was it EVER meant to be a place to bury someone or not?
For a moment I remembered a recent interview with Jermaine; he stated that MJ was very,very strong. Once, a marble table needed to be moved in the house and nobody was able to do it,not even Jermaine. But Michael did it, he did it with his imagination(or something similar,he "pictured" the movement first).I don`t remember which interview that was and it probably does not have any relevance in this case...I guess.
A wide selection of interment property is available. In addition to ground property, we offer single and companion lawn crypts and wall crypts, ground property for cremated remains, niches, and distinguished family memorials.
Prices, availability, and specifications subject to change without notice.
<!-- m -->http://www.forestlawn.com/Memorial-Prop ... anding.asp<!-- m -->
______________________________
At Forest Lawn, we provide many options for memorial properties.
Sarcophagus
A sarcophagus is a stand-alone, above ground structure made of concrete with marble or granite facing. We offer a variety of sarcophagi, usually adaptable for eight interments. While the main portion of the sarcophagus is visible above ground, only one interment is above ground level; the remaining interments are in a large concrete structure below ground.
<!-- m -->http://www.forestlawn.com/Memorial-Prop ... -Types.asp<!-- m -->
Link:
<!-- m -->http://www.cemeteryguide.com/latestnews.html<!-- m -->
From cemeteryguide.com
Oct. 6, 2009
"After months of speculation, there is some evidence confirming the final burial location of Michael Jackson -- inside a marble sarcophagus beneath the Ascension Windows in the Holly Terrace, inside the Great Mausoleum at Forest Lawn Glendale.
Fellow gravehunter Lisa Burks reported on her great "Adventures in Grave Hunting" blog that fans who recently brought flowers and cards for Jackson gave them to a guard at the Great Mausoleum, and then watched through a window of the Holly Terrace door as the guard walked to the end of the hallway and placed the items in front of this sarcophagus. The fans reported that "the small room at the end of the hallway is covered with flowers and balloons."
The fans also reported that they took photos and video through the window. "The guards were very friendly and they didn't try to make us erase the film," they said.
Also, TMZ is reporting that security at the Great Mausoleum has been "scaled back." TMZ reported that Forest Lawn hired a private security firm to protect Jackson's grave, but that the additional security has been removed. Still, the Great Mausoleum is closed to the public, except for a small area near the Last Supper stained-glass window, all doors are locked, and all areas of the mausoleum are under the watchful eyes of security cameras. TMZ also reports that cemetery staff says "there hasn't been a single suspicious incident since Jackson moved into the neighborhood."
Is this absolute proof that Jackson is buried there? No, not really. Not until someone sees his brass nameplace on the sarcophagus. It's possible that Forest Lawn is just putting the cards and flowers and balloons there either to throw fans off the track, or just because they don't have any other place to put them. But I'd say it's pretty good evidence that he's buried there.
I'm glad to hear that Forest Lawn is loosening their security grip, and I'm also glad to hear that there haven't been any security problems. Maybe they're finally realizing that the vast majority of fans just want to visit, leave flowers and cards, and pay their respects to someone they admire and who was an important part of their lives."
_______________________________
That typo where it says "nameplace" instead of "nameplate" is on the actual blog. Interesting, don't you think? Place with no name, nameplace...
_______________________________
The blog also has several other posts about the "marking" of the graves of Brittany Murphy, David Carradine, Farrah Fawcett, and others...
<!-- m -->http://www.cemeteryguide.com/latestnews.html<!-- m -->
To me, the question is now solved; there are such sarcophages and so they will have a way to handle the entombing. Plus, the 2007 catalogue is not enough proof to me because it is not sure that ALL open places were offered by that institution.